W3C

Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
27 Aug 2014

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Attendees

Present
Regrets
Gottfried, James_Nurthen
Chair
Janina
Scribe
jongund

Contents


<trackbot> Date: 27 August 2014

<janina> Meeting: PFWG telecon

<janina> agenda: this

preview agenda with items from two minutes

<scribe> scribe: jongund

JF: I moved
... In apartment now

JS: Hopefully pleasant, with connectivity

JF: Happy with connectivity

JS: 2 minutes

Previous Meeting Minutes https://www.w3.org/2014/08/20-pf-minutes.html

JS: Any corrections or additions?
... Any objections to publishing

JF: I support

resolution: publish minutes as submitted

TPAC 2014 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/meetings/tp2014

JS: TPAC, another group wants to spend time with us
... The digital publish group, met with them to form a new working group
... Web and TV interest group and HTML group
... There are other CSS, WebApp and IndieUI
... Any comments or questions

JF: Anything specific with CSS

JS: I though you were looking into it

JF: Me??

JS: Will discuss later

Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open

JS: Michael

MC: There are three actions from today, that are "find out if someone is implementing XXX"

JS: Need to look up an fix

Shane: Topic was zoom control...., meta item to block zoom control

MC: Need to change this

JS: Can we advance to next week
... I will be on the call next week...

MC: This is a calendar widget that goes monday through sunday...
... Need to update those actions
... Other spec review actinos
... The closest is due march 5th (this year)

new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html#tr_LCWD

JS: New publications

MC: CSS3 is published as last call, maybe a second last call

JS: We comented on the first last call, did they do anything with them

MC: We need to look at counter, I can't remember when we sent comments
... Here we are
... Response from "atkins"
... We need to look at his response, he did not understand the comment

JS: Who looked at CSS counters?

MC: I will have to find the action
... "COunter" Lisa Seaman reviewed it
... LS reviewed it and then I got a wording action, it is also closed
... My conclusion was that this is WCAG techniques

JF: At a meta level this is generated content

MC: It is a constrained class of generated content, but it is generated content
... If the counter ..., you can use speak as on how it should be pronounced, there are speak defaults...

JS: I don't recall, we should action LS to review

JF: I have asked to work with the CSS working group, do we have a list of other issues?
... If we have a couple hours with them...

JS: It comes to use from the last call process, and not from a working group joint meeting

JF: We seem to have an open question from the CSS working group

JS: Waiting for a joint CSS meeting may take a long time

MC: We have last call response time constraints

<MichaelC> ACTION: Lisa to review CSS Counter Styles Level 3 http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-css-counter-styles-3-20140826/ - due 2 weeks [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/27-pf-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-1503 - Review css counter styles level 3 http://www.w3.org/tr/2014/wd-css-counter-styles-3-20140826/ [on Lisa Seeman - due 2014-09-10].

<MichaelC> action-1503: There are open questions for a previous review, see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/wai-liaison/2013Nov/0000.html

<trackbot> Notes added to action-1503 Review css counter styles level 3 http://www.w3.org/tr/2014/wd-css-counter-styles-3-20140826/.

MC: Creating action for Lisa review CSS counters in next two weeks (MC created)

JS: We may have a meeting with LS in the next hour

<MichaelC> action-1503: may have last discussed 9 July 2014 https://www.w3.org/2014/07/09-pf-minutes.html#item10

<trackbot> Notes added to action-1503 Review css counter styles level 3 http://www.w3.org/tr/2014/wd-css-counter-styles-3-20140826/.

MC: There is a spec on predefined counter styles, lists of various counters...

JS: Tie to last action?

MC: Maybe
... This document defines localized list styles, it is not REC track, maybe we do not need to worry about

ARIA.Next Items

JS: Rich is not here? Rich?
... We did have a meeting monday with the digital publishing group, markus and other people
... Drafting a a charter for a working group related to added vocabulary to ARIA related to semantic structure
... Shane?

Shane: It turns out that HTML5 excludes alternative vocabularies, even though we designed are spec

MC: They defer to PF for defining the vocabulary

Shane: We can add stuff that is prefixed

MC: That would be harder to sell, if we wanted to ...

RS joined

JS: Do we have authority to add roles?

Shane: We can, but epub can't

JS: That why they are working with us

RS: Thats one of the reasons

JS: You were very careful not to say "namespaces"

Shane: Vocabulary is the word
... namespace refers to elements, not attributes

JS: The goal is to have a draft by mid september, they are highly motivated
... There is a parallel push to printing to paper, which combines HTML+CSS, it is an interesting parallel process

Shane: There is XHTML Print spec, it is a place to start

JS: Any other questions or comments?
... RS we talking about ARIA, anything else

RS: We are working on the API mapping specifications, we have an issue with name computation
... In order for each specs (e.g. HTML and SVG), we do not replicate the ..., name calculations of names are tied to the host language, for example "alt" does not exist in SVG....
... They don't support CSS :before and :after
... We could create separate specs on name computation for HTML and SVG

JS: Will DPUB need it?

RS: For the moment they just want roles, nothing that affects name computation
... At least for now it is a host name module...
... That for me is the write way to do it, but can we do it?

MC: I am pretty sure we can, we have room in the charter

RS: We need to think about exit criteria for ARIA 1.1
... If ARIA 1.1 points to the core spec, what we have to conforms to is important...

JS: Lets not deep dive into this now

MC: I extend the core, I don't think testing the core, does not require testing the mapping specs, but testing mapping specs requires testing the core

RS: We would test with HTML5

MCL We have said all along ARIA 1.1 is HTML 5 specs

JS: We have two more topics to discuss today
... ANy other comments?

Other Task Force Updates--HTML; SVG; COGA

MC: We have longdesc is in CR

JS: We actually got CR to do what CR was suppose to do
... Worst case may require some changes, all the implementation pieces are covered, we lost the calendar, ...., get a good spec
... My vote tomorrow will be exposing links to accessibility APIs, that is the wrong answer for other APIs..., wire into applications
... JF is this make sense to you?

JF: That's an accurate overview of where we are right now

JS: We need to say what we really mean for each environment
... Joanie has concerns about using fragments
... Fragments are a starting point, but not an end piint

Events Enumeration http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jul/0034.html

Shane: Basically it comes down, we really need a way to get event handlers, jquery has a way to do this
... 2 Ways
... The DOM group is one, they say there is a potential for abuse
... There is always a chance in the DOM for abuse
... Event handlers could be replaced, for example a script that processes "passwords"
... This can already be done, this just makes it easier
... There is a performance issue, mainly if you want to know about ancestors
... These are the two main issues

JS: You have some different approaches

Shane: Can we extend the DOM??

JS: How bad do we want to this?

Shane: JG has a use case

RS: Yes we want to know if there are device specific handlers, for example the keyboard event handlers

JG: Evaluation and quality assurance tools need to know about events on DOM nodes
... I think it will make it alot easier for people to develop QA and evaluation tools

RS: If people use Indie UI this is less of a problem
... It would be good to enumerate handlers

JS: Discuss on a monday call

Shane: We have tools and Oracle I bet has test tools

JS: We need to get people to work on this and the timing of requests

RS: With this be the DOM event handlers?

Shane: My action was to determine this, this would be in the DOM

RS: DOM events or DOM spec

Shane: DOM spec

RS: I think we need this
... The original request was from 1998
... Think about it this way,say we write a spec..., if your going to implement an ARIA role than you need to test if it has IndieUI event
... We need this for IndieUI

JG: You need also to know if an element is interactive

JS: We need to go write an extension spec
... To start the process we will put on the agenda soon
... We are past the hour

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Lisa to review CSS Counter Styles Level 3 http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-css-counter-styles-3-20140826/ - due 2 weeks [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/27-pf-minutes.html#action01]
 
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