See also: IRC log
<trackbot> Date: 21 August 2014
<janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference
<scribe> scribe: David
JB: Change agenda to delay formal
Obj.
... to allow others to join regarding LongD
LW: Bug triage... time has come for stepping down as Bug Triage facilitator
JS: Thanks for a job fabulously done, helped accessibility in spec a lot
LW: Congratulates other
participants in BTriage
... It's a good time to consider closing... since it's
quiet
... May need it later
JS: Look at implementation
report, we have new implementers, who's just joined
... Received formal obj. from apple late yesterday
... Point of CR is to get implementations
JB: i'm very interested in seeing what's necessary on timeline. i want to handle process considerations, to get TF opinion to move forward
JS: Implementation report
<plh> http://w3c.github.io/test-results/html-longdesc/cr-report.html
JS: Charles will walk though implementation report
CM: Will add header and footer... doc shows that requirements by 4 user agents are met by more than 2 Ua for each requireme t... essentially demonstrates people can implement it and get it right
we haven't put in every permutation because not required... if people implement it without talking to each other they'll get it right
JS: Does group agree with Charles position that if people implement it without talking to each other they'll get it right
Phillippe: Director doesn't need format perfect and this Implementation report is better than many others
RS: Are there links to the tests
CM: Yes
Rs: Sounds like you've got
it
... does implen. reoort include two major broawers
CM: Yes
RS: don't need any more
JS: an
... Any reason one API
CM: there are two APIs ... DOM and UA
JS: let's wrap it up... the report is sufficient to clear CR... no challenges here in group
S/UA/MSAA
Joanie: points out you also have ATK/AT-SPI2
JS: Let's add that to table
RS: how is it exposed in MSAA?
Cynthia: In IE: URL that LD points to is a String in ACCDESC
<joanie> https://git.gnome.org/browse/orca/commit/?id=f190cabcd786e80e24c73da5381d623f14d268a5
<joanie> there's your results
<scribe> ACTION: Charles and Joanie to sync to add her tests to implementation report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/21-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-280 - And joanie to sync to add her tests to implementation report [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2014-08-28].
CW: you can put any Screen reader on the planet except VO on a web page with this and they can get it
<janina> https://git.gnome.org/browse/orca/commit/?id=f190cabcd
Joanie: I thought what I sent was our proposal, worthy of consideration... some is already done properly by GECKO,
JB: are they nice to have or critical
<joanie> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Aug/0029.html
JS: can we walk through them
Joanie: I don't think it should
be the only way be LD, if ebook user offline should be able to
get it
... (reading through issue in list from url
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Aug/0029.html
CM: we tried to avoid generalities i the spec on UA, my pushback would be it's not things specifically limited to longdesc
Joanie: Why does it say UA must make link available to all users... they include keyboard users also... why not take that text out...
JF: Joanie, we can't tell authors what they must and must not do... i agree feedback for autnors is useful, we've never said LD is THE sloution... it ks A solution... Should could go to WCAG
<MarkS> +1 to onus of testing and usability on author
JF: we have this problem with other thinks like link... don't want to over manipulate authors... bottom line... no revisions to author section
<janina> ack ??P
JB: are the changes requested normative or informative
Joanie: Not going to block anything
JB: asking because it changes how
we treat the comments, and address them
... LD not be all and end all, we are looking to develop
additional things in the future.
JS: need to discuss further on list.
CM: if we don't make these changes will LD not work, will it be worse... or are prososals just going to improve that we can add at a later date... lets frameit like that
<janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Aug/0031.html
<MarkS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Aug/0028.html
JB: trying to determine kf they are new arguments or not... didn't see any new ones... but there are specific requests at the end... TF needs to look at them and see how to advise the co-facilitators to address this
JS: next action when and how much time do we need for CFC, need to look a Joanie's feedback and Apples Formal Obj.
Joanie: My stuff can be informative
CM: anything in FA unaddressed
prevviously and
... any new issues? that is the critical question
JB: can Facilitators come out with cfcs?
<scribe> ACTION: Janina and Charles to work with facilitators to move questions discussed her forward [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/21-html-a11y-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-281 - And charles to work with facilitators to move questions discussed her forward [on Janina Sajka - due 2014-08-28].
<MarkS> +1 to joanie
JS: to Joanie, was it hard to implement Longdesc?
Joanie: Actually it was easy!
This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.138 of Date: 2013-04-25 13:59:11 Check for newer version at http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00) Succeeded: s/hankel/handle/ Succeeded: s/come for stepping down as Bug Triage team/come for stepping down as Bug Triage facilitator/ Succeeded: s/ain acc DESC/ in ACCDESC/ Succeeded: s/OCRA/ORCA/ Succeeded: s/ORCA/Orca/ Succeeded: s/see if it makes sense to accommodate or respond/see how to advise the co-facilitators to address this/ No ScribeNick specified. Guessing ScribeNick: David_ Found Scribe: David WARNING: Replacing list of attendees. Old list: janina David_MacDonald Judy Adrian_Roselli LJWatson Joanmarie_Diggs Cynthia_Shelly IanPouncey Plh Shane_McCarron Liam Rich_Schwerdtfeger John_Foliot MarkS Chaals [IBM] New list: janina David_MacDonald Judy Adrian_Roselli LJWatson Joanmarie_Diggs Cynthia_Shelly IanPouncey Plh Shane_McCarron Liam Default Present: janina, David_MacDonald, Judy, Adrian_Roselli, LJWatson, Joanmarie_Diggs, Cynthia_Shelly, IanPouncey, Plh, Shane_McCarron, Liam Present: janina David_MacDonald Judy Adrian_Roselli LJWatson Joanmarie_Diggs Cynthia_Shelly IanPouncey Plh Shane_McCarron Liam Found Date: 21 Aug 2014 Guessing minutes URL: http://www.w3.org/2014/08/21-html-a11y-minutes.html People with action items: charles janina joanie WARNING: Input appears to use implicit continuation lines. You may need the "-implicitContinuations" option.[End of scribe.perl diagnostic output]