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<trackbot> Date: 01 May 2014
<scribe> scribeNick: nigel
nigel: We published the FPWD today
pal: the Latest version link doesn't work yet
plh: that's because it hasn't been officially published yet - the dated version does work, the latest will work later in the day
http://www.w3.org/2014/03/timed-text-charter.html
pal: Next step for IMSC is to
collect comments and set a goal for LC based on level of
comment received.
... In parallel let's work on IMSC2 based on the progress in
TTML2
... The faster we move through IMSC1 the sooner we'll be able
to put emphasis on IMSC2.
... Is it reasonable to set a target for LC for end of May?
mike: I'll make SMPTE and DECE aware of this.
nigel: I'll make EBU aware.
... Suggest we review the level of comments received in 2 weeks
and assess the feasibility of an end of May LC then (on the
15th May)
Issue-299?
<trackbot> Issue-299 -- dur must be greater than zero -- pending review
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/299
nigel: Would Glenn be able to contact Dick Bulterman re the reasoning behind 0 dur prohibition in SMIL?
glenn: yes, I will do that.
... On the other point re "willfully violated" I think we
should stay with the same language as in HTML which has been
extensively used in quite a few
... specifications, so it would be consistent to stay with
it.
... we refer to SMIL normatively for the semantics but not the
syntax so we could argue that we may define 0 to be permitted
for dur in TTML syntax.
... However this could create some confusion on the part of
readers if there is a discrepancy between them. We were silent
on this in TTML 1 and did not discuss it previously.
plh: Re "willful" I would agree with nigel that it has negative connotations.
nigel: That's my argument too - my suggestion is "deliberately" in place of "willfully"
glenn: I notice that in TTML1 we
use this phrase "without taking into account any semantics
defined by this specification". I could try to reword it to
make
... clear that we are overriding the semantics.
RESOLUTION: We will avoid the term "willful violation" in our documents.
issue-304?
<trackbot> issue-304 -- Non-standard unqualified attributes not permitted -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/304
action-285?
<trackbot> action-285 -- Glenn Adams to Implement proposed errata in issue-304 -- due 2014-05-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/285
glenn: I do plan to use the same namespace in TTML2 as we used in TTML1. We did specifically specify the namespace in TTML1 to be mutable.
pal: I don't recall where that
action idea came from but the discussion raises in my mind re
actual implementation. Do we know what existing
implementations
... will do if they find an attribute that they don't recognise
in a namespace that they do recognise? Do we have any practical
data points on this?
glenn: I don't know of any research to give an answer to this.
pal: Not having to define a new
namespace is a really good idea but the assumption around
disruption of existing implementations is of potential
concern.
... I'm not sure there's much action to do other than to ask
the question. If no objections we should go with the current
plan. It's possible that introducing a new namespace will be
more disruptive.
glenn: Agree with the point about
introducing a new namespace.
... The processing rules would expose new names in the
namespace to the processor. In the DFXP Viewer programme we
coded it to effectively test for errors in the attributes that
were used
... but I don't believe we did anything to reject the document.
It was an informational warning. It's possible that if I fire
that up with a TTML2 document with new attributes in the
existing
... namespaces it may raise a warning. I haven't checked all
the other implementations.
... TTML2 §4 also provides some wording on this.
... We may want to elaborate on that wording in TTML2 and add
an errata to TTML1 to deal with this, but perhaps that's a
different action item.
action-275: Closing as per discussion today, on the basis that we will extend the existing namespace and follow up with enhanced wording to §4 in a separate action.
<trackbot> Notes added to action-275 Review issues in cp12 and if one is needed for handling new attributes in ttml2 in same namespace as ttml1 then raise it, and link to issue-286..
close action-275
<trackbot> Closed action-275.
<scribe> ACTION: glenn to elaborate on wording in §4 on namespace extension in TTML2 and as an errata to TTML1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/01-tt-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-287 - Elaborate on wording in §4 on namespace extension in ttml2 and as an errata to ttml1 [on Glenn Adams - due 2014-05-08].
action-281?
<trackbot> action-281 -- Nigel Megitt to Talk to frans about hosting a meeting -- due 2014-04-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/281
nigel: A room of up to 60 people has been reserved at EBU in Geneva on 16th and 17th September for us to use for this face to face meeting.
close action-281
<trackbot> Closed action-281.
nigel: The goal of this F2F is to work on our charter deliverable of a WebVTT <--> TTML mapping
action-283?
<trackbot> action-283 -- Nigel Megitt to And dsinger to respond to mpeg liaison -- due 2014-05-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/283
close action-283
<trackbot> Closed action-283.
mike: In MPEG a couple of weeks
ago the DASH group asked for some help with the codecs
parameter. We decided that W3C should manage this with respect
to TTML and WebVTT in particular.
... MPEG meets every 3-4 months and not much happens in between
meetings. This means that the response will not be until 2nd or
3rd week July.
... However the intent is that W3C takes ownership of this
issue so we can act on this more quickly.
... Technically, there's a missing requirement. We need to
indicate the presence of other namespaces since most profiles
support foreign namespaces.
... I don't think it's a fundamental problem but we need to
reconsider the labels to identify namespaces not
profiles.
... On the second point the 4C code needs to be defined too
[minutes incomplete]
glenn: I don't agree with Mike's point about namespaces. So we need to discuss this more.
mike: The MPEG group's intention
was to signal namespaces.
... We can also do what we do in TTML2 with the document
content profile but the codec string folk in the File Format
group of MPEG felt that string would be too cumbersome and
long.
... I agree with you that we should consider that
mechanism.
glenn: Is the purpose of this to define what is required by the decoder or is it to define what the content adheres to?
mike: the latter, what the
content adheres to.
... The way this works in DASH is that the manifest describes
the content that is available and the decoder selects the best
resources for its capabilities.
glenn: That describes a processor profile not a related content profile.
mike: I can see that point of view. The important thing is to provide an unambiguous identifier which is not too long a string.
glenn: If we assume that we can
discuss and get folks to agree on profile designations,
possibly a list of them, then it's simply a matter of creating
short names to link to those
... profile designation URIs.
mike: I like it. We should talk about mapping it through to the mechanism we've already designed.
nigel: when the page has been created I will add a section on meaning and endorsement.
glenn: I've already got some prior work I can reuse for that.
mike: Additional to the short name and URI should we also encourage a resolvable link to the definition?
glenn: Yes we should encourage that and a reference to the specification.
mike: short name, profile URI,
profile document URL, specification URL, schema/electronic
representation URL would be a good set of columns.
... Everything after the short name and profile URI is
encouraged but optional.
<scribe> ACTION: nigel to create issue for codecs parameter [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/05/01-tt-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-288 - Create issue for codecs parameter [on Nigel Megitt - due 2014-05-08].
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