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<trackbot> Date: 20 March 2014
trackbot, start meeting
<trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
<trackbot> Date: 20 March 2014
<scribe> chair: nigel
<scribe> scribeNick: nigel
https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/timed-text-2014/results
frans: describes EBU request for a change
http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/
nigel: any requests for f2f?
jdsmith: we should be fairly far along by October
nigel: Could be a good
opportunity with a relative stable TTML2 and IMSC to work with
the WebVTT folk on the mapping deliverable, whatever form that
might take.
... I will propose that we have a f2f meeting - the question
will be how many days do we need, and which days should we hold
the meeting on?
... Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday are the options.
jdsmith: travel is an important factor, otherwise it could be any one of those days.
nigel: bear in mind also CSSWG and HTMLWG meetings.
<scribe> ACTION: nigel to discuss with david singer possibilities for f2f before going ahead and adding TTWG to TPAC agenda. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/03/20-tt-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-274 - Discuss with david singer possibilities for f2f before going ahead and adding ttwg to tpac agenda. [on Nigel Megitt - due 2014-03-27].
nigel: iterates through docs from
other groups as listed in the agenda.
... since the agenda there's also been a reversion to LC for
CSS Flexible Box Layout Module Level 1
... We plan to use this!
... URL is http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-flexbox/
and Editor's Draft is http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-flexbox-1/
... I encourage all to review this and I will collate any
comments. They suggest a 4 week review period ending April
22.
... therefore comments back to me (I'll add an agenda item for
this) by 17th April at very latest.
pal: Suggests process to put
together comments and submit our comments to reflector.
... would be good to have a feedback comments document from the
group for TTWG review prior to submission to CSS WG by the
chair.
nigel: agrees
pal: one comment is based on
change proposal 15 - it would be helpful to get consensus on
CP15 before submitting comments based on it.
... of course individuals can always comment anyway.
nigel: CP15 is the only one with any movement I'm aware of so I'll walk through the changes
https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015
nigel: Peter Linss of the CSS WG
responded that " the box-decoration-break property was moved to
the CSS Fragmentation spec"
... and "we expect that spec to reach CR before the end of the
year. Hopefully this satisfies your needs."
http://drafts.csswg.org/css-break/#break-decoration
nigel: the timescales are quite close to those for TTML2 so we may consider making a response to this.
jdsmith: what's the purpose of the Fragmentation spec
https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal015#box-decoration-break
nigel: we intend to use css
box-decoration-break: clone property to achieve the desired
effect. This is in the CSS Fragmentation spec now.
... walks through the Issue-286 proposal in CP15, opens up for
comments, noting that Glenn is particularly interested.
pal: TTML1 processors that see that attribute - is the expectation that they ignore it and not add padding?
nigel: yes because they'd use the
profile and feature mechanism for processors to work out if
they need to support it
... so processors would ignore it if they don't know it.
pal: that would be a nice way around it
nigel: if it is ignored then impact is slightly less readable text but no unpleasant text wrapping impacts.
pal: it would be good to verify that existing implementations quietly ignore attributes (without complaining) in the tts namespace that they do not recognise.
nigel: happy for implementors to verify this or we could alternatively put this and other new TTML2 features into a new namespace
pal: yes that's another
possibility.
... having an ignorable attribute provides a nice way forward
for any new attribute in the TTML2 namespace
nigel: yes, I'd be interested in
glenn's views on this and the interaction between this and
profile features
... that's all on CP15 for this week - I'm looking at the use
of flex for multiple row alignment too, which is work in
progress.
<scribe> ACTION: pal review issues in CP12 and if one is needed for handling new attributes in TTML2 in same namespace as TTML1 then raise it, and link to issue-286. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/03/20-tt-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-275 - Review issues in cp12 and if one is needed for handling new attributes in ttml2 in same namespace as ttml1 then raise it, and link to issue-286. [on Pierre-Anthony Lemieux - due 2014-03-27].
nigel: we seem to have an option
on the tracker to send emails on changes to issues and actions
by default - the current default is not to send emails.
... I propose changing this default to 'do send emails unless
member has opted out'
... this may give a more positive experience than people have
now.
<tmichel> no objection.
Action nigel Request tracker default change to 'email'
<trackbot> Created ACTION-276 - Request tracker default change to 'email' [on Nigel Megitt - due 2014-03-27].
nigel: There's going to be some service outage at MIT next week - not sure of the impact to W3C..
tmichel: should be a short outage.
nigel: Outages likely on Sat 29th March to servers
rrsagent. publish minutes
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