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<trackbot> Date: 13 March 2014
<scribe> scribe: jeanne
Jeanne & Jim will be at CSUN. Kim will be on vacation, so only Greg, Jan and Kelly are around.
<kford> sorry for my delay.
<Greg> Tomorrow is Pi Day, but don't forget http://www.moleday.org/ in October.
<kford> comments document: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2014/LCcomments.html
Jeanne updated the editors draft and LC comment spreadsheet with the actions from last week's meeting.
<kford> regrests: Jim
No meeting next week - 20 March 2014
<kford> JS reading JR's proposal
GL: This lowers the bar to be non-existent - it uses "may".
JS: Is this a problem? A video
would not use those, they would use "scenes".
... We should add scenes to the list of examples.
<Greg> My preference would be "*should* include *recognized* headings, table captions...", but I can live with the proposed wording.
<scribe> ACTION: Jeanne to update 1.9.1 to say: 1.9.1 Outline View: Users can view a navigable outline of the rendered content that allows focus to be moved to the corresponding element in the main viewport. (Level AA) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/03/13-ua-minutes.html#action01]
- Note: The elements reflected in the outline view will depend on the web content technology and can include: headings, table captions, content sections, and scenes.
<trackbot> Created ACTION-960 - Update 1.9.1 to say: 1.9.1 outline view: users can view a navigable outline of the rendered content that allows focus to be moved to the corresponding element in the main viewport. (level aa) [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2014-03-20].
Resolution: Accept Jan's proposal for 1.9.1 with minor edits
JS: It's a big change from important elements to enabled elements. Since we are requiring direct navigation to each one, that's a LOT of keyboard shortcuts
GL: That's the 'mouseless browsing" extension
KP: but that works with links and not all enabled elements
<Greg> We don't necessarily have a full implementation yet, one that goes to all enabled elements. Would not be that big a change for Mouseless Browsing to add that.
<Greg> Kim says that it does support almost all enabled elements.
KP: It should do anything you can click on.
JS: I withdraw my objection.
GL: So we have an implementation of this with enabled elements.
KP: Mouseless browsing has been around for a long time with increasing coverage of "gaps". I haven't looked around in a long time.
Jan's update: 2.3.1 Allow Direct Navigation to Enabled Elements: The user can move keyboard focus directly to any enabled elements in the rendered content. (Level AA)
<Greg> Jeanne questioned move to "move keyboard focus to" on touchscreen devices, but we already require a virtual keyboard focus in those cases.
GL: Link to the definition of keyboard focus which reminds them it is not just a physical keyboard.
JS: There is a comment that says we are dated because we mention keyboard so much.
KP: We have the note, modality
... could we use that phrase?
<Greg> UAAG20 makes it clear that keyboard isn't always physical keyboard, but that is spread out through several definitions and the Note at the beginning of Principle 2.
JS: I think we should postpone this discussion until we address the comment about keyboard issue.
<Greg> We could change term to something technology neutral, like "mechanism for discrete input", but Kim thinks Jan had argument against that.
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