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<trackbot> Date: 04 March 2014
<clown> agenda: this
oh
<clown> zakaim, agenda?
<clown> scribenick: davidb
DB: hoping to move some of my items to email so that I don't have to be an obstacle during my chaotic weeks
JS: this meeting is good for final resolution, do everything else via email
JS: discussing documentation build system
JS explains it is getting simplified (post 1.0)
JS: will add corrected gnome mappings to 1.1 uaig soon
JS: this is to bring DB up to
speed
... we concluded we would add a table role, primarily for non
html languages.
... grid is considered interactive, table is a classic data
table, just structure.
... table role added to 1.1, someone will look at sub elements
as well... TBD
... so you can make a table in SVG
alex might say just mix in html
(group discussion of role hierarchy)
BG: I see people misusing grid.
<clown> action-1396?
<trackbot> action-1396 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Modify uaig to convey grid role in accessibility mappings, beyond table. (atk/atspi/ ia2 xml-role=grid, macosx: roledescription: grid, msaa/uiaexpress localizedcontroltype="grid"?) -- due 2014-03-10 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1396
JS: grid is currently mapped to
table in all a11y APIs
... where do we map table? (sic)
DB: hard not to map it to table
discussion of BSTR hack in light of xml-roles obj attr
DB: BSTR should be considered deprecated
discussion of who controls navigation for grid vs table
JS: (reads spec wording about grid edit-ability vs read only-ness from spec)
DB: this smells fuzzy
JS: no black and white line
between tables and grids
... and what about selection
sounds like table could be treated like a grid with aria readonly on the whole thing
<clown> <table role="log" ...>
(brief review of "addition of HTML role requirement mappings" public thread)
DB: i never liked edge
cases
... conclusion - we need broader feedback
<clown> issue-481?
<trackbot> issue-481 -- aria-live removal events should or must happen before object removal -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/481
postpone to next week
meeting shame!
<clown> cynthia not here, let's skip.
<clown> issue-644?
<trackbot> issue-644 -- Update ATK/AT-SPI mapping for aria-hidden="true" to reflect elements should not be exposed/mapped -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/644
<clown> "If the object is in the accessibility tree, map all attributes as normal. In addition, expose object attribute hidden:true."
<clown> "Element SHOULD NOT be exposed in a11y tree. If the object is in the ….
<clown> AXAPI says: "Not exposed in AX API unless focused. If focused, expose as normal."
DB: I'm probably ok with _SHOULD_ NOT but with a grunt
BG: could be bad to expose even the interactive elements, given you want to prevent usage of the hidden tree
(group discussing aria-hidden yet again)
<clown> end of the hour.
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