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14:36:54 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
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14:36:54 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
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14:36:55 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
14:36:55 <trackbot> Date: 14 January 2009
14:39:46 <Roland> trackbot, start telcon
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14:39:50 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
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14:39:51 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
14:39:51 <trackbot> Date: 14 January 2009
14:40:06 <Roland> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jan/0024.html
14:40:15 <Roland> Chair: Roland
14:41:53 <ShaneM> I thought we had said we wanted to talk about xhtml media types document first today
Shane McCarron: I thought we had said we wanted to talk about xhtml media types document first today ←
14:42:03 <ShaneM> (since we did not get to it last week)
Shane McCarron: (since we did not get to it last week) ←
14:42:20 <Roland> we did
Roland Merrick: we did ←
14:42:43 <ShaneM> okay. I think the mail message of interest is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Dec/0020.html
Shane McCarron: okay. I think the mail message of interest is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Dec/0020.html ←
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14:44:07 <ShaneM> zakim, mccarron is ShaneM
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14:46:29 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
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14:47:21 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
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14:47:21 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
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14:47:42 <mgylling> Zakim, ??P10 is mgylling
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14:49:49 <alessio> zakim, [IPcaller] is Alessio
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14:50:41 <ShaneM> Scribe: ShaneM
(Scribe set to Shane McCarron)
14:50:55 <ShaneM> TOPIC : Status of CURIE CR
TOPIC : Status of CURIE CR ←
14:51:19 <ShaneM> Document should be published today or tomorrow.
Document should be published today or tomorrow. ←
14:51:19 <Zakim> +markbirbeck
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14:51:59 <ShaneM> TOPIC: Status of transition for PERs
14:52:31 <ShaneM> There is a gating problem - we need to update the XHTML Media Type document first.
There is a gating problem - we need to update the XHTML Media Type document first. ←
14:54:30 <ShaneM> Shane thought we could request it anyway, but Steven explained that thiis will happen quickly so we should not do it until we are ready. Might be able to move on this depending on another agenda item. Tabled.
Shane thought we could request it anyway, but Steven explained that thiis will happen quickly so we should not do it until we are ready. Might be able to move on this depending on another agenda item. Tabled. ←
14:54:40 <ShaneM> TOPIC: XHTML Media Types draft
14:54:51 <ShaneM> We received a late comment: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Dec/0020.html
We received a late comment: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Dec/0020.html ←
14:55:25 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
(Scribe set to Steven Pemberton)
14:55:44 <Steven> Shane: There a couple of comments here that are technical, but some are not
Shane McCarron: There a couple of comments here that are technical, but some are not ←
14:55:55 <Steven> ... these are issues for the W3C team to deal with
... these are issues for the W3C team to deal with ←
14:56:06 <Steven> ... we cannot respond to those parts
... we cannot respond to those parts ←
14:56:35 <Steven> ... he says that the doc talks about 4 media types, but really it is only about 2
... he says that the doc talks about 4 media types, but really it is only about 2 ←
14:56:52 <Steven> ... text/html and application/xhtml+xml
... text/html and application/xhtml+xml ←
14:57:01 <Steven> ... the other two are not really needed
... the other two are not really needed ←
14:57:11 <Steven> Roland: Sounds reasonable, this is about recommended usage
Roland Merrick: Sounds reasonable, this is about recommended usage ←
14:57:29 <Steven> Shane: Good comment from this guy, as far as I can interpret
Shane McCarron: Good comment from this guy, as far as I can interpret ←
14:58:21 <Steven> Shane: He thinks we should rename the document to Media types for XHTML 1.x
Shane McCarron: He thinks we should rename the document to Media types for XHTML 1.x ←
14:58:33 <Steven> Roland: Sounds right
Roland Merrick: Sounds right ←
14:58:47 <Steven> Shane: Well Print and XHTML+RDFa wouldn't be covered then
Shane McCarron: Well Print and XHTML+RDFa wouldn't be covered then ←
15:00:15 <Steven> Roland: It is now called XHTML Media types
Roland Merrick: It is now called XHTML Media types ←
15:00:33 <Steven> Tina: Keep it as it is and say that it only applies to existing Recs
Tina Holmboe: Keep it as it is and say that it only applies to existing Recs ←
15:01:50 <Steven> Steven: Notes are never normative
Steven Pemberton: Notes are never normative ←
15:02:31 <alessio> agree
Alessio Cartocci: agree ←
15:02:59 <Steven> Steven: We should say that it just applies to existing recs
Steven Pemberton: We should say that it just applies to existing recs ←
15:03:27 <Steven> Mark: We should not just fight the battles at each step anew
Scribe problem: the name 'Mark' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Markus Gylling Mark Birbeck . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
Unknown Mark: We should not just fight the battles at each step anew ←
15:03:40 <Steven> ... we should make this document applicable for generic cases
... we should make this document applicable for generic cases ←
15:04:08 <Steven> ... the text/html mime type is about switching into HTML mode
... the text/html mime type is about switching into HTML mode ←
15:04:34 <Steven> ... authors shouldn't be discouraged from that if it is a reasonable deployment strategy
... authors shouldn't be discouraged from that if it is a reasonable deployment strategy ←
15:04:48 <Steven> Roland: There is more to this spec than just that
Roland Merrick: There is more to this spec than just that ←
15:04:59 <Steven> ... it includes authoring guidelines
... it includes authoring guidelines ←
15:05:15 <Steven> Shane: No, Appx A gives hints for any version
Shane McCarron: No, Appx A gives hints for any version ←
15:05:57 <Steven> Mark: it is more political than technical
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Unknown Mark: it is more political than technical ←
15:06:32 <Steven> ... the question is in my mind, is it OK to switch the browser to HTML mode, and since people are oding that anyway, it is
... the question is in my mind, is it OK to switch the browser to HTML mode, and since people are doing that anyway, it is ←
15:06:42 <Steven> s/oding/doing
15:07:09 <Steven> Tina: Shouldn't we just address the technical issues?
Tina Holmboe: Shouldn't we just address the technical issues? ←
15:08:04 <Steven> Steven: I suggest that we say that it applies to existing recommendations
Steven Pemberton: I suggest that we say that it applies to existing recommendations ←
15:09:10 <ShaneM> Proposed text: "The suggestions in this document are relevant to all XHTML Family Recommendations at the time of its publication."
Shane McCarron: Proposed text: "The suggestions in this document are relevant to all XHTML Family Recommendations at the time of its publication." ←
15:09:34 <alessio> @shane +1
Alessio Cartocci: @shane +1 ←
15:10:36 <Steven> Roland: What do the authors who read this document want?
Roland Merrick: What do the authors who read this document want? ←
15:11:51 <ShaneM> q+
Shane McCarron: q+ ←
15:11:54 <Steven> Mark: On the backplane XG there is a discussion about using Ubiquity to implement XHTML2
Scribe problem: the name 'Mark' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Markus Gylling Mark Birbeck . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
Unknown Mark: On the backplane XG there is a discussion about using Ubiquity to implement XHTML2 ←
15:12:08 <Steven> ... well to do that you need to be able to use the text/html mime type
... well to do that you need to be able to use the text/html mime type ←
15:14:42 <ShaneM> q-
Shane McCarron: q- ←
15:14:45 <Steven> Shane: I proposed a sentence above
Shane McCarron: I proposed a sentence above ←
15:14:54 <Steven> "The suggestions in this document are relevant to all XHTML Family Recommendations at the time of its publication."
"The suggestions in this document are relevant to all XHTML Family Recommendations at the time of its publication." ←
15:16:16 <Steven> Tina: I agre, keep the title, and add the sentence
Tina Holmboe: I agree, keep the title, and add the sentence ←
15:16:21 <Steven> s/agre/agree/
15:17:15 <alessio> agree
Alessio Cartocci: agree ←
15:17:18 <Steven> Roland: I propose that too
Roland Merrick: I propose that too ←
15:17:36 <Steven> So resolved
So resolved ←
15:18:27 <Steven> Shane: An early question asks us to say that it is only the opinion of the WG
Shane McCarron: An early question asks us to say that it is only the opinion of the WG ←
15:18:40 <Steven> Steven: No need for that. The information comes from recommendations
Steven Pemberton: No need for that. The information comes from recommendations ←
15:18:47 <Steven> Shane: Anyway it says it comes from our WG
Shane McCarron: Anyway it says it comes from our WG ←
15:19:05 <Steven> Shane: He asks about text/xml and application/xml
Shane McCarron: He asks about text/xml and application/xml ←
15:19:14 <Steven> ... we don't care about those, right?
... we don't care about those, right? ←
15:19:45 <Steven> ... he maintains that we don't need the space before trailing slashes on modern browsers.
... he maintains that we don't need the space before trailing slashes on modern browsers. ←
15:19:56 <Steven> Steven: True, but not to the point
Steven Pemberton: True, but not to the point ←
15:20:26 <Steven> Shane: He also complains that we are suggesting that authors produce invalid HTML4
Shane McCarron: He also complains that we are suggesting that authors produce invalid HTML4 ←
15:20:33 <Steven> Tina: He's wrong, it is valid
Tina Holmboe: He's wrong, it is valid ←
15:20:54 <Steven> Mark: Anyway there is no agreed way to validate HTML4
Scribe problem: the name 'Mark' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Markus Gylling Mark Birbeck . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
Unknown Mark: Anyway there is no agreed way to validate HTML4 ←
15:21:04 <Steven> Tina: Well, you can according to the DTD
Tina Holmboe: Well, you can according to the DTD ←
15:22:04 <Steven> Shane: Finally about named entities
Shane McCarron: Finally about named entities ←
15:22:37 <Steven> ... which may not work in generic XML parsers
... which may not work in generic XML parsers ←
15:22:46 <Steven> ... I don't think we care for this document
... I don't think we care for this document ←
15:23:15 <Steven> Shane: Then comes the political stuff that has nothing to do with this document
Shane McCarron: Then comes the political stuff that has nothing to do with this document ←
15:25:30 <Steven> Steven: The word XHTML does not appear in there charter
Steven Pemberton: The word XHTML does not appear in their charter ←
15:25:36 <Steven> s/there/their/
15:26:54 <Steven> Shane: I request that Steven raise the issue of the use of the name XHTML within the team
Shane McCarron: I request that Steven raise the issue of the use of the name XHTML within the team ←
15:27:03 <Steven> Steven: Three is a domain discussion coming up
Steven Pemberton: Three is a domain discussion coming up ←
15:27:14 <Steven> Shane: I propose we publish this document with today's changes
Shane McCarron: I propose we publish this document with today's changes ←
15:27:30 <Tina> +1
Tina Holmboe: +1 ←
15:27:35 <alessio> +1
Alessio Cartocci: +1 ←
15:27:38 <Steven> +1
+1 ←
15:27:47 <markbirbeck> +1
Mark Birbeck: +1 ←
15:27:57 <mgylling> +1
Markus Gylling: +1 ←
15:28:12 <Steven> RESOLUTION: Publish XHTML Media Types with topday's changes
RESOLVED: Publish XHTML Media Types with topday's changes ←
15:28:20 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:28:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/14-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/14-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
15:28:41 <Steven> Scribe: Shane
(Scribe set to Shane McCarron)
15:28:51 <Steven> scribenick: shanem
15:29:36 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2009Jan/0001.html
Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2009Jan/0001.html ←
15:30:19 <ShaneM> TOPIC: HTML 5 and XHTML 2 combined
15:30:32 <ShaneM> There is a discussion thread started at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2009Jan/0001.html
There is a discussion thread started at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2009Jan/0001.html ←
15:31:11 <ShaneM> markbirbeck: Benjamin has made some interesting comments that revealed existing browser behavior mark was not previously aware of.
Mark Birbeck: Benjamin has made some interesting comments that revealed existing browser behavior mark was not previously aware of. ←
15:31:35 <ShaneM> markbirbeck: it seems that there are people out there who understand what we are trying to achieve with XHTML 2.
Mark Birbeck: it seems that there are people out there who understand what we are trying to achieve with XHTML 2. ←
15:32:17 <ShaneM> markbirbeck: there might be a way to make our message clearer. For example there might be confusion about what "deprecated" means. Can we help clear that up?
Mark Birbeck: there might be a way to make our message clearer. For example there might be confusion about what "deprecated" means. Can we help clear that up? ←
15:32:22 <Steven> zakim, who is noisy?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is noisy? ←
15:32:32 <Zakim> Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Tina (40%), Alessio (9%)
Zakim IRC Bot: Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Tina (40%), Alessio (9%) ←
15:32:41 <Steven> zakim, mute alessio
Steven Pemberton: zakim, mute alessio ←
15:32:41 <Zakim> Alessio should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Alessio should now be muted ←
15:32:45 <Tina> Zakim, mute me
Tina Holmboe: Zakim, mute me ←
15:32:45 <Zakim> Tina should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Tina should now be muted ←
15:33:03 <ShaneM> Roland: thinks this is an interesting thread.
Roland Merrick: thinks this is an interesting thread. ←
15:33:44 <ShaneM> Roland: he points out that he cannot find anything in web space that describes the goals and philosophy of XHTML 2.
Roland Merrick: he points out that he cannot find anything in web space that describes the goals and philosophy of XHTML 2. ←
15:34:01 <ShaneM> Steven: willing to take an action to draft a document.
Steven Pemberton: willing to take an action to draft a document. ←
15:34:19 <ShaneM> ACTION: Steven to write a draft of a short document on the philosophy of xhtml 2 for use in web space.
ACTION: Steven to write a draft of a short document on the philosophy of xhtml 2 for use in web space. ←
15:34:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-44 - Write a draft of a short document on the philosophy of xhtml 2 for use in web space. [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-01-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-44 - Write a draft of a short document on the philosophy of xhtml 2 for use in web space. [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-01-21]. ←
15:34:25 <markbirbeck> http://internet-apps.blogspot.com/2005/01/xhtml-2-as-universal-document.html
Mark Birbeck: http://internet-apps.blogspot.com/2005/01/xhtml-2-as-universal-document.html ←
15:34:27 <markbirbeck> :)
Mark Birbeck: :) ←
15:35:34 <ShaneM> Roland: Is there a way to define a profile of HTML5 that maps to XHTML 2? And would that be valuable?
Roland Merrick: Is there a way to define a profile of HTML5 that maps to XHTML 2? And would that be valuable? ←
15:36:46 <ShaneM> Steven: Does not think it is as difficult as it appears. We broke XHTML2 up into other bits so we could produce them separately. Completing XHTML 2 is just a matter of collecting those bits and we are done!
Steven Pemberton: Does not think it is as difficult as it appears. We broke XHTML2 up into other bits so we could produce them separately. Completing XHTML 2 is just a matter of collecting those bits and we are done! ←
15:37:26 <ShaneM> Steven: He does not think we need to refer to HTML 5 in order to deploy XHTML 2. There is a client-side strategy via Ubiquity, and server-side strategies that involve transformation.
Steven Pemberton: He does not think we need to refer to HTML 5 in order to deploy XHTML 2. There is a client-side strategy via Ubiquity, and server-side strategies that involve transformation. ←
15:37:51 <ShaneM> Steven: "HTML is the assembly language that we are compiling down to."
Steven Pemberton: "HTML is the assembly language that we are compiling down to." ←
15:39:00 <ShaneM> Roland: The difference is that XHTML 2 is a very large language spec.
Roland Merrick: The difference is that XHTML 2 is a very large language spec. ←
15:39:42 <ShaneM> markbirbeck: HTML 5 has borrowed ideas from XHTML 2. That's fine. The bits that Mark finds frustrating is that they incorporate those ideas rather than referencing the modules that we have already produced.
Mark Birbeck: HTML 5 has borrowed ideas from XHTML 2. That's fine. The bits that Mark finds frustrating is that they incorporate those ideas rather than referencing the modules that we have already produced. ←
15:40:12 <ShaneM> markbirbeck: Basing XHTML 2 on HTML 5 seems circular.
Mark Birbeck: Basing XHTML 2 on HTML 5 seems circular. ←
15:41:22 <ShaneM> Roland: we need to try to support our audience (paraphrase)
Roland Merrick: we need to try to support our audience (paraphrase) ←
15:42:33 <ShaneM> markbirbeck: We can't ignore how we got here. The modules are the basis of creating future languages and having extensibility. We can accelerate the process by using this architecture. A monolithic document makes that extension challenging.
Mark Birbeck: We can't ignore how we got here. The modules are the basis of creating future languages and having extensibility. We can accelerate the process by using this architecture. A monolithic document makes that extension challenging. ←
15:43:38 <ShaneM> Roland: profiling doesn't just mean subsetting. You can subset and extend.
Roland Merrick: profiling doesn't just mean subsetting. You can subset and extend. ←
15:43:52 <alessio> yes
Alessio Cartocci: yes ←
15:45:37 <ShaneM> markbirbeck: we could produce a document that describes the rendering behavior of the various html document types (?)
Mark Birbeck: we could produce a document that describes the rendering behavior of the various html document types (?) ←
15:46:35 <ShaneM> markbirbeck: The HTML 5 approach goes against the general modular philosophy that the W3C has pursued for years. People want to merge things together in ways that we will never imagine.
Mark Birbeck: The HTML 5 approach goes against the general modular philosophy that the W3C has pursued for years. People want to merge things together in ways that we will never imagine. ←
15:47:46 <ShaneM> Roland: The thought process should be "what do we need to do to XHTML 2 to help ease deployment?" Are there things we should rethink based upon new information?
Roland Merrick: The thought process should be "what do we need to do to XHTML 2 to help ease deployment?" Are there things we should rethink based upon new information? ←
15:49:08 <ShaneM> Steven: We have done this evaluation at times. There are things in XHTML 2 that are unavoidably different than HTML 4 / 5. XForms, XML Events
Steven Pemberton: We have done this evaluation at times. There are things in XHTML 2 that are unavoidably different than HTML 4 / 5. XForms, XML Events ←
15:49:23 <alessio> completely agree
Alessio Cartocci: completely agree ←
15:49:48 <ShaneM> Steven: The HTML 5 approach to events is not scalable to the future, for example.
Steven Pemberton: The HTML 5 approach to events is not scalable to the future, for example. ←
15:51:32 <ShaneM> Roland: Can we take the time to evaluate where we feel that HTML 5 and XHTML 2 have common ground?
Roland Merrick: Can we take the time to evaluate where we feel that HTML 5 and XHTML 2 have common ground? ←
15:53:26 <ShaneM> Will return to this next week.
Will return to this next week. ←
15:53:44 <ShaneM> ShaneM: and Welcome to the editing team, Markus!
Shane McCarron: and Welcome to the editing team, Markus! ←
15:53:55 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
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15:53:57 <alessio> bye :)
Alessio Cartocci: bye :) ←
15:53:58 <Zakim> -Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
15:54:01 <Zakim> -Tina
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15:54:04 <Zakim> -Alessio
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15:54:09 <Zakim> -mgylling
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15:54:10 <Zakim> -ShaneM
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15:55:03 <Zakim> This conference is in overtime; all ports must be freed
Zakim IRC Bot: This conference is in overtime; all ports must be freed ←
15:59:10 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Roland, in IA_XHTML2()9:45AM
Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, Roland, in IA_XHTML2()9:45AM ←
15:59:12 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
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15:59:16 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, ShaneM, Tina, Steven, mgylling, Alessio, markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Roland, ShaneM, Tina, Steven, mgylling, Alessio, markbirbeck ←
16:03:10 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make minutes ←
16:03:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/14-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/14-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
17:00:10 <Steven> Shane, Nick and Leigh in XForms have relax implementations in some form or another, Leigh will contact you
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Steven Pemberton: Shane, Nick and Leigh in XForms have relax implementations in some form or another, Leigh will contact you ←
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