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13:43:50 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/08/06-xhtml-irc
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13:43:56 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
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Unknown kaz: zakim, call kazuyuki-617 ←
13:43:56 <Zakim> sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is ←
13:44:10 <kaz> zakim, this will be XHTML
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Unknown kaz: zakim, this will be XHTML ←
13:44:10 <Zakim> ok, kaz; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, kaz; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 1 minute ←
13:44:12 <kaz> zakim, call kazuyuki-617
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Unknown kaz: zakim, call kazuyuki-617 ←
13:44:12 <Zakim> ok, kaz; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, kaz; the call is being made ←
13:44:12 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started ←
13:44:14 <Zakim> +Kazuyuki
Zakim IRC Bot: +Kazuyuki ←
13:44:24 <rmerric> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0004.html
13:44:54 <rmerric> Meeting: XHTML2 WG Weekly Teleconference
13:44:56 <Zakim> + +04670855aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +04670855aaaa ←
13:45:28 <Roland> Chair: Roland
13:45:37 <Tina> Zakim: +04670855aaaa is Tina
13:45:40 <shepazu> Zakim, call shepazu
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Scribe problem: the name 'shepazu' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown shepazu: Zakim, call shepazu ←
13:45:40 <Zakim> ok, shepazu; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, shepazu; the call is being made ←
13:45:42 <Zakim> +Shepazu
Zakim IRC Bot: +Shepazu ←
13:46:12 <Zakim> +Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: +Roland ←
13:46:34 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, make minutes ←
13:46:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/06-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/06-xhtml-minutes.html Roland ←
13:46:40 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: +Gregory_Rosmaita ←
13:46:42 <Roland> rrsagent, make log public
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, make log public ←
13:47:02 <Zakim> +ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM ←
13:47:47 <Zakim> +??P4
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4 ←
13:47:56 <alessio> zakim, ??P4 is Alessio
Alessio Cartocci: zakim, ??P4 is Alessio ←
13:47:56 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alessio; got it ←
13:48:28 <Steven_> zakim, who is here?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here? ←
13:48:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kazuyuki, +04670855aaaa, Shepazu, Roland, Gregory_Rosmaita, ShaneM, Alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Kazuyuki, +04670855aaaa, Shepazu, Roland, Gregory_Rosmaita, ShaneM, Alessio ←
13:48:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see Steven_, ShaneM, alessio, Roland, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, oedipus, shepazu, Tina, Steven, Lachy
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Steven_, ShaneM, alessio, Roland, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, oedipus, shepazu, Tina, Steven, Lachy ←
13:48:39 <Steven_> zakim, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
13:48:39 <Zakim> ok, Steven_; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven_; the call is being made ←
13:48:41 <Zakim> +Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←
13:49:51 <Steven_> scribe: Steven
(Scribe set to Steven Pemberton)
13:49:58 <Steven_> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
13:49:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/06-xhtml-minutes.html Steven_
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/06-xhtml-minutes.html Steven_ ←
13:50:40 <Steven_> Roland: My regrets for the next 4 weeks
Roland Merrick: My regrets for the next 4 weeks ←
13:50:50 <Steven_> Topic: DOM 3 Events and XML Events 2
13:51:04 <Steven_> Roland: We want them to align
Roland Merrick: We want them to align ←
13:51:19 <Steven_> ... Doug can you update us on DOM 3 Events?
... Doug can you update us on DOM 3 Events? ←
13:51:40 <Steven_> Doug: Having reviewed XML Events 2, I didn't see any incompatibilities
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Unknown Doug: Having reviewed XML Events 2, I didn't see any incompatibilities ←
13:51:52 <Steven_> ... but it is good to coordinate
... but it is good to coordinate ←
13:52:01 <Steven_> ... we have changed mutation events a bit
... we have changed mutation events a bit ←
13:52:25 <Steven_> ... Mozilla are not going to implement certain mutation events
... Mozilla are not going to implement certain mutation events ←
13:52:42 <Steven_> ... so there is no consensus on them
... so there is no consensus on them ←
13:53:00 <oedipus> q+ to say that he has a question to pose on behalf of the PFWG on the @order attribute as long as shepazu is here
Gregory Rosmaita: q+ to say that he has a question to pose on behalf of the PFWG on the @order attribute as long as shepazu is here ←
13:53:13 <Steven_> Roland: We have no dependencies on the mutation events, but what is the problem?
Roland Merrick: We have no dependencies on the mutation events, but what is the problem? ←
13:53:24 <Steven_> Doug: I'm sorry, I don't have that to hand
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Unknown Doug: I'm sorry, I don't have that to hand ←
13:54:04 <Steven_> ... but it is something that requires a significant change, and performance hit for browsers
... but it is something that requires a significant change, and performance hit for browsers ←
13:54:12 <Steven_> Roland: Are these new events?
Roland Merrick: Are these new events? ←
13:54:25 <Steven_> Doug: No, also in DOM 2, so we may be deprecating them
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Unknown Doug: No, also in DOM 2, so we may be deprecating them ←
13:54:27 <oedipus> q-
Gregory Rosmaita: q- ←
13:54:52 <Steven_> ... SVG Tiny has a problem with them too
... SVG Tiny has a problem with them too ←
13:55:01 <Steven_> ... because of performance hit
... because of performance hit ←
13:55:27 <Steven_> ... so there is a challenge of finding something that has consensus
... so there is a challenge of finding something that has consensus ←
13:55:41 <Steven_> Doug: We are also planning on defining event ordering
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Unknown Doug: We are also planning on defining event ordering ←
13:55:41 <oedipus> q+ to say question from PFWG - "Does mixing roles and ids with targetrole and targetid for @order OK, or does it pose problems, and if so what problems?" (i am supposed to be asking this as a "babe in the woods" and not a member of XHTML2 WG
Gregory Rosmaita: q+ to say question from PFWG - "Does mixing roles and ids with targetrole and targetid for @order OK, or does it pose problems, and if so what problems?" (i am supposed to be asking this as a "babe in the woods" and not a member of XHTML2 WG ←
13:56:06 <Steven_> Doug: Also changing the key identifiers
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Unknown Doug: Also changing the key identifiers ←
13:56:23 <Steven_> ... a better model for providing values for key identifiers
... a better model for providing values for key identifiers ←
13:56:40 <Steven_> ... also an order for event firing
... also an order for event firing ←
13:56:59 <Steven_> ... but I saw no clash iwth XML Events 2
... but I saw no clash iwth XML Events 2 ←
13:57:50 <Steven_> Steven: XML Events is just a syntactic binding to DOM Events, so it would be bad if there was a clash
Steven Pemberton: XML Events is just a syntactic binding to DOM Events, so it would be bad if there was a clash ←
13:58:06 <Steven_> Roland: Have you dealt with the I18N problems with key events?
Roland Merrick: Have you dealt with the I18N problems with key events? ←
13:58:31 <Steven_> Doug: We are working on it
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Unknown Doug: We are working on it ←
13:58:41 <ShaneM> q+ to discussion how this might effect the XHTML Access module
Shane McCarron: q+ to discussion how this might effect the XHTML Access module ←
13:59:05 <Steven_> ... including the issues of shifting characters
... including the issues of shifting characters ←
13:59:10 <Steven_> ... to upper case
... to upper case ←
13:59:36 <Steven_> Doug: I do have a couple of minor comments on XML Events 2; I will send them in
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Unknown Doug: I do have a couple of minor comments on XML Events 2; I will send them in ←
14:00:02 <Steven_> Roland: We want to go to last call really soon; what is the status of DOM 3 Events?
Roland Merrick: We want to go to last call really soon; what is the status of DOM 3 Events? ←
14:00:08 <Steven_> Doug: Q1 for CR
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Unknown Doug: Q1 for CR ←
14:00:29 <Steven_> ... I wouldn't make a dependency on DOM 3
... I wouldn't make a dependency on DOM 3 ←
14:00:37 <Steven_> Roland: Well, we want namespaced events
Roland Merrick: Well, we want namespaced events ←
14:01:10 <Steven_> Doug: The WHAT WG are trying to get me to remove namespaced events
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Unknown Doug: The WHAT WG are trying to get me to remove namespaced events ←
14:01:31 <Steven_> ... but that hasn't happened
... but that hasn't happened ←
14:01:53 <Steven_> Shane: I think it should be changed from QNames to CURIEs
Shane McCarron: I think it should be changed from QNames to CURIEs ←
14:01:57 <Steven_> q+
q+ ←
14:02:21 <Steven_> Doug: Unlikely
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Unknown Doug: Unlikely ←
14:03:29 <oedipus> SP: independent of qnames and curies - Dom3 uses event space and event name - 2 are never combined into URI as such; up to syntax, not Dom3 - would be surprised if you have to mention curies; whichever you use, they will work identically
Steven Pemberton: independent of qnames and curies - Dom3 uses event space and event name - 2 are never combined into URI as such; up to syntax, not Dom3 - would be surprised if you have to mention curies; whichever you use, they will work identically [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←
14:03:41 <Steven_> Shane: I disagree
Shane McCarron: I disagree ←
14:04:09 <Steven_> ... at processing level it is a URI
... at processing level it is a URI ←
14:04:38 <oedipus> SP: never combined into single URI - always separate - qnames better solution
Steven Pemberton: never combined into single URI - always separate - qnames better solution [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←
14:05:01 <Steven_> Steven: But you have a namespace, and an event name; they never get combined into a URI, so QNames are a better choice if you have to use them at all
Steven Pemberton: But you have a namespace, and an event name; they never get combined into a URI, so QNames are a better choice if you have to use them at all ←
14:05:18 <Steven_> Doug: There are a couple of non-namespaced events
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Unknown Doug: There are a couple of new non-namespaced events ←
14:05:35 <Steven_> q-
q- ←
14:05:54 <Steven_> s/non-/new non-/
14:06:07 <Steven_> Doug: We want to go to CR at latest Q1 2009
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Unknown Doug: We want to go to CR at latest Q1 2009 ←
14:07:25 <Steven_> ... so where is your implementer base?
... so where is your implementer base? ←
14:07:36 <Steven_> Steven: XForms would where we expect them to come first
Steven Pemberton: XForms would where we expect them to come first ←
14:08:03 <oedipus> SP: use case for "while" being able to delete all elements in a tree that match a certain condition
Steven Pemberton: use case for "while" being able to delete all elements in a tree that match a certain condition [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←
14:08:12 <Steven_> Doug: Where is the use case for your while= in XML Events 2?
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Unknown Doug: Where is the use case for your while= in XML Events 2? ←
14:08:19 <oedipus> zakim, who is making noise?
Gregory Rosmaita: zakim, who is making noise? ←
14:08:27 <Steven_> Steven: Being able to delete all noeds that match a certain condition
Steven Pemberton: Being able to delete all noeds that match a certain condition ←
14:08:30 <Zakim> oedipus, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +04670855aaaa (13%), Alessio (94%), Shepazu (69%)
Zakim IRC Bot: oedipus, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +04670855aaaa (13%), Alessio (94%), Shepazu (69%) ←
14:08:46 <Steven_> zakim, mute alessio
zakim, mute alessio ←
14:08:46 <Zakim> Alessio should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Alessio should now be muted ←
14:09:24 <Zakim> + +1.914.255.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.914.255.aabb ←
14:09:49 <Roland> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-xml-events-20080620/#section-listener-element
Roland Merrick: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-xml-events-20080620/#section-listener-element ←
14:10:00 <Steven_> Doug: We are trying to make the target phase more visible
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Unknown Doug: We are trying to make the target phase more visible ←
14:10:35 <Steven_> Roland: The default phase is for compatibility with the old version
Roland Merrick: The default phase is for compatibility with the old version ←
14:11:17 <oedipus> zakim, aaaa is Tina_Holcombe
Gregory Rosmaita: zakim, aaaa is Tina_Holcombe ←
14:11:17 <Zakim> +Tina_Holcombe; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Tina_Holcombe; got it ←
14:11:59 <oedipus> zakim, Tina_Holcombe is Tina_Holmboe
Gregory Rosmaita: zakim, Tina_Holcombe is Tina_Holmboe ←
14:11:59 <Zakim> +Tina_Holmboe; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Tina_Holmboe; got it ←
14:13:50 <alessio> zakim, unmute me
Alessio Cartocci: zakim, unmute me ←
14:13:50 <Zakim> Alessio should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Alessio should no longer be muted ←
14:13:58 <Steven_> Doug: The reasons for the handlers wasn't clear
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Unknown Doug: The reasons for the handlers wasn't clear ←
14:14:24 <Steven_> Steven: To allow people to be able to use something already defined wihtout having to invent it themselves (as with XML Events 1)
Steven Pemberton: To allow people to be able to use something already defined wihtout having to invent it themselves (as with XML Events 1) ←
14:14:26 <oedipus> XML2 Events will eventual break out into Handler, Listener, and Script module
Gregory Rosmaita: XML2 Events will eventual break out into Handler, Listener, and Script module ←
14:14:32 <oedipus> ack me
Gregory Rosmaita: ack me ←
14:14:32 <Zakim> oedipus, you wanted to say question from PFWG - "Does mixing roles and ids with targetrole and targetid for @order OK, or does it pose problems, and if so what problems?" (i am
Zakim IRC Bot: oedipus, you wanted to say question from PFWG - "Does mixing roles and ids with targetrole and targetid for @order OK, or does it pose problems, and if so what problems?" (i am ←
14:14:35 <Zakim> ... supposed to be asking this as a "babe in the woods" and not a member of XHTML2 WG
Zakim IRC Bot: ... supposed to be asking this as a "babe in the woods" and not a member of XHTML2 WG ←
14:15:16 <Steven_> Gregory: About access key; is there a problem with roles and ids?
Gregory Rosmaita: About access key; is there a problem with roles and ids? ←
14:15:55 <Steven_> ... I think the current solution is a good one, but we want confirmation
... I think the current solution is a good one, but we want confirmation ←
14:16:12 <Steven_> Doug: I don;t see where it would cause a problem
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Unknown Doug: I don't see where it would cause a problem ←
14:16:17 <Steven_> s/;/'/
14:16:40 <Steven_> Shane: You can only have one or the other, not both
Shane McCarron: You can only have one or the other, not both ←
14:16:53 <Steven_> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
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14:17:10 <Steven_> Doug: Well, one is ignored if you have both
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Unknown Doug: Well, one is ignored if you have both ←
14:17:14 <Steven_> Shane: Right
Shane McCarron: Right ←
14:17:27 <ShaneM> targetrole is ignored if both are specified.
Shane McCarron: targetrole is ignored if both are specified. ←
14:17:59 <Steven_> Gregory: Thanks, I'm glad we agree
Gregory Rosmaita: Thanks, I'm glad we agree ←
14:19:58 <Steven_> Greg: With @order, we want people to be able to go through primary content, and then secondary content and so on.
Gregory Rosmaita: With @order, we want people to be able to go through primary content, and then secondary content and so on. ←
14:20:13 <Steven_> Shane: And where do you start?
Shane McCarron: And where do you start? ←
14:20:27 <Steven_> Doug: Document order from the current focus
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Unknown Doug: Document order from the current focus ←
14:20:38 <Steven_> Shane: Doesn't that clash with @order
Shane McCarron: Doesn't that clash with @order? ←
14:20:44 <Steven_> s/order/order?/
14:20:54 <Steven_> Doug: I need to think about that
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Unknown Doug: I need to think about that ←
14:22:02 <Steven_> ... if I want to tab from my current focus,
... if I want to tab from my current focus, ←
14:22:25 <Steven_> ... then without @order then the next in document order is selected
... then without @order then the next in document order is selected ←
14:22:39 <Steven_> ... with @order, then it goes to the first in the list
... with @order, then it goes to the first in the list ←
14:23:33 <oedipus> SP: stateless - regardless of current state, defaults back to same?
Steven Pemberton: stateless - regardless of current state, defaults back to same? [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←
14:23:45 <oedipus> SP: if in a b carry on going to other bs
Steven Pemberton: if in a b carry on going to other bs [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←
14:24:30 <oedipus> SM: possible to make stateless if defined "if no item that would be selected has focus currently, start with first one in document order, otherwise find next one in navigation order
Shane McCarron: possible to make stateless if defined "if no item that would be selected has focus currently, start with first one in document order, otherwise find next one in navigation order [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←
14:24:47 <Steven_> Doug: This allows for a richer way to navigate
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Unknown Doug: This allows for a richer way to navigate ←
14:24:55 <oedipus> DS: jump to Bs with mouse, when in there, can keyboard navigate the Bs
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Unknown DS: jump to Bs with mouse, when in there, can keyboard navigate the Bs [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←
14:24:59 <Steven_> ... jump to the Bs and then navigate around them
... jump to the Bs and then navigate around them ←
14:25:26 <Steven_> Shane: Also solves the problem of what happens with a DOM mutation
Shane McCarron: Also solves the problem of what happens with a DOM mutation ←
14:25:38 <Steven_> Steven: Absolutely
Steven Pemberton: Absolutely ←
14:25:45 <Steven_> Shane: I will write this up
Shane McCarron: I will write this up ←
14:25:57 <Steven_> ... I am editing the document now
... I am editing the document now ←
14:26:21 <Steven_> Roland: When will you publish your next draft, and what stage will it be at?
Roland Merrick: When will you publish your next draft, and what stage will it be at? ←
14:26:26 <Steven_> Doug: It will be a WD
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Unknown Doug: It will be a WD ←
14:26:33 <Steven_> ... in a month or so
... in a month or so ←
14:26:46 <Steven_> ... we are working on SVG at the moment
... we are working on SVG at the moment ←
14:26:57 <Steven_> ... so I don;t think I can do it this month
... so I don't think I can do it this month ←
14:27:03 <Steven_> s/;/'/
14:27:39 <Steven_> ... and there are still some unsolved problems
... and there are still some unsolved problems ←
14:27:54 <Steven_> Roland: Thanks, we will keep in touch
Roland Merrick: Thanks, we will keep in touch ←
14:27:55 <oedipus> thank you very much, shepazu
Gregory Rosmaita: thank you very much, shepazu ←
14:28:11 <Steven_> Doug: One other thing
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Unknown Doug: One other thing ←
14:28:55 <Steven_> ... no, I'll send it by email
... no, I'll send it by email ←
14:29:02 <Steven_> [Doug leaves]
[Doug leaves] ←
14:29:02 <Zakim> - +1.914.255.aabb
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14:29:08 <Zakim> -Shepazu
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14:29:18 <oedipus> zakim, aabb is Doug_Schepers
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14:29:18 <Zakim> sorry, oedipus, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
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14:29:33 <Steven_> Topic: M12N
14:30:01 <Steven_> Roland: Any news?
Roland Merrick: Any news? ←
14:30:52 <Steven_> Steven: I haven't scratched the surface of my email since I got back last night. I'll keep you in touch
Steven Pemberton: I haven't scratched the surface of my email since I got back last night. I'll keep you in touch ←
14:31:21 <Steven_> Topic: Access
14:31:30 <Steven_> Shane: I looked at the comments
Shane McCarron: I looked at the comments ←
14:31:50 <Steven_> ... related to the DOM 3 Events issues
... related to the DOM 3 Events issues ←
14:32:08 <oedipus> i18n comments start at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0006.html
Gregory Rosmaita: i18n comments start at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0006.html ←
14:32:28 <Steven_> ... the issue is that @key is inadequate
... the issue is that @key is inadequate ←
14:32:33 <oedipus> key attribute inadequate: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0007.html
Gregory Rosmaita: key attribute inadequate: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0007.html ←
14:32:53 <Steven_> ... and I'm not sure that there is a right answer. We took it over from HTML4
... and I'm not sure that there is a right answer. We took it over from HTML4 ←
14:32:58 <oedipus> "The term 'access key' seems to be used to refer to the value of the key attribute in one part of this section, and to a key on a physical keyboard in other places."
Gregory Rosmaita: "The term 'access key' seems to be used to refer to the value of the key attribute in one part of this section, and to a key on a physical keyboard in other places." ←
14:33:20 <Steven_> Roland: We should work on a way to deal on the problem
Roland Merrick: We should work with a way to deal with the problem ←
14:33:27 <Steven_> s/ on / with /
14:33:35 <shepazu> I also raised a similar point, and I think you should use the keyIdentifier
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Unknown shepazu: I also raised a similar point, and I think you should use the keyIdentifier ←
14:33:51 <Steven_> Shane: I'm not sure there is a solution
Shane McCarron: I'm not sure there is a solution ←
14:34:02 <oedipus> PF's Proposed Requirements for Access/Accesskey in HTML5: http://esw.w3.org/topic/PF/XTech/HTML5/AccesskeyRequirements
Gregory Rosmaita: PF's Proposed Requirements for Access/Accesskey in HTML5: http://esw.w3.org/topic/PF/XTech/HTML5/AccesskeyRequirements ←
14:34:31 <oedipus> SP: what do people do in japan with keyboard shortcuts? idea is use a key that matches a character
Steven Pemberton: what do people do in japan with keyboard shortcuts? idea is use a key that matches a character [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←
14:34:31 <Steven_> Roland: Multiple key depressions in Japanese
Roland Merrick: Multiple key depressions in Japanese ←
14:34:47 <oedipus> RM: keys don't generate kanji characters - part of character
Roland Merrick: keys don't generate kanji characters - part of character [ Scribe Assist by Gregory Rosmaita ] ←
14:35:12 <Steven_> Kaz: We use ascii characters for shortcuts
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Unknown Kaz: We use ascii characters for shortcuts ←
14:35:46 <Steven_> Shane: There are also some editorial comments
Shane McCarron: There are also some editorial comments ←
14:35:50 <oedipus> "It isn't clear that this section has taken into account the potential difference between key codes and the characters that may result from a key press on a given keyboard. It seems to assume that the character on a key cap == the key code identifier == the character produced by pressing that key == the character that is the value of the key attribute." - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0008.html
Gregory Rosmaita: "It isn't clear that this section has taken into account the potential difference between key codes and the characters that may result from a key press on a given keyboard. It seems to assume that the character on a key cap == the key code identifier == the character produced by pressing that key == the character that is the value of the key attribute." - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0008.html ←
14:36:29 <Steven_> Shane: I still need to work on the policy of evolution of modules
Shane McCarron: I still need to work on the policy of evolution of modules ←
14:37:22 <kaz> input "nihon" -(Imput Method software converts it to)-> "日本"
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Unknown kaz: input "nihon" -(Imput Method software converts it to)-> "日本" ←
14:37:49 <oedipus> thought we agreed to 3 modules from Events: Handler, Listener, and Script
Gregory Rosmaita: thought we agreed to 3 modules from Events: Handler, Listener, and Script ←
14:38:16 <Steven_> Topic: CURIEs
14:38:33 <Steven_> Roland: We had an email from Noah
Roland Merrick: We had an email from Noah ←
14:38:57 <Steven_> Steven : I see that the TAG can't respond on our timescale
Steven : I see that the TAG can't respond on our timescale ←
14:39:34 <Steven_> Shane: Didn't we ask for last call comments in May?
Shane McCarron: Didn't we ask for last call comments in May? ←
14:39:57 <Steven_> ... I think we should extend our timeline to accomodate them
... I think we should extend our timeline to accomodate them ←
14:40:05 <Steven_> ... even though we asked 5th May originally
... even though we asked 5th May originally ←
14:40:34 <Steven_> Shane: The TAG wasn't on our original list
Shane McCarron: The TAG wasn't on our original list ←
14:40:50 <Steven_> Steven: No, we didn't thinkl CURIEs had architectural ramifications
Steven Pemberton: No, we didn't think CURIEs had architectural ramifications ←
14:40:59 <Steven_> s/thinkl/think/
14:41:08 <Steven_> Shane: But we should wait
Shane McCarron: But we should wait ←
14:41:24 <Steven_> Steven: Agreed
Steven Pemberton: Agreed ←
14:41:30 <alessio> +1
Alessio Cartocci: +1 ←
14:42:20 <Steven_> Steven: Their FtF is September, ours October, so we can accomodate them with no pain
Steven Pemberton: Their FtF is September, ours October, so we can accomodate them with no pain ←
14:42:32 <oedipus> plus 1
Gregory Rosmaita: plus 1 ←
14:42:41 <Steven_> Topic: AOB
14:43:05 <Steven_> Steven: You're away for 4 weeks, so have a good holiday
Steven Pemberton: You're away for 4 weeks, so have a good holiday ←
14:43:28 <oedipus> enjoy your well-earned rest, rolland
Gregory Rosmaita: enjoy your well-earned rest, rolland ←
14:43:32 <Zakim> -ShaneM
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14:43:36 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: -Gregory_Rosmaita ←
14:43:38 <Zakim> -Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roland ←
14:43:39 <Zakim> -Tina_Holmboe
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14:43:40 <Steven_> [ADJOURN]
[ADJOURN] ←
14:43:40 <Zakim> -Kazuyuki
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14:43:44 <Zakim> -Alessio
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14:44:01 <Zakim> -Steven
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14:44:02 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
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14:44:04 <Zakim> Attendees were Kazuyuki, +04670855aaaa, Shepazu, Roland, Gregory_Rosmaita, ShaneM, Alessio, Steven, +1.914.255.aabb, Tina_Holmboe
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14:44:11 <Steven_> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
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17:37:21 <oedipus> rrsagent, please part
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