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13:43:25 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-xhtml-irc
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13:43:44 <rmerric> rmerric has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jun/0078.html
Roland Merrick: rmerric has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jun/0078.html ←
13:43:54 <rmerric> Zakim, list
Roland Merrick: Zakim, list ←
13:43:54 <Zakim> I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM, XML_SMLWG()3:00AM, XML_XSLWG()3:00AM active
Zakim IRC Bot: I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM, XML_SMLWG()3:00AM, XML_XSLWG()3:00AM active ←
13:43:56 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are IA_XHTML2()9:45AM, XML_QueryWG()3:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: also scheduled at this time are IA_XHTML2()9:45AM, XML_QueryWG()3:00AM ←
13:44:10 <rmerric> Zakim, this will be XHTML2
Roland Merrick: Zakim, this will be XHTML2 ←
13:44:10 <Zakim> ok, rmerric; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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13:45:13 <Roland> Meeting: XHTML2 WG Weekly Teleconference
13:45:22 <Roland> Chair: Roland
13:45:30 <Roland> Regrets: Yam
13:45:35 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started
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13:45:42 <Zakim> +ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM ←
13:46:08 <Zakim> +Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: +Roland ←
13:46:35 <Zakim> + +04670855aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +04670855aaaa ←
13:47:06 <Roland> Zakim, aaaa is Tina
Roland Merrick: Zakim, aaaa is Tina ←
13:47:06 <Zakim> +Tina; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Tina; got it ←
13:47:15 <Zakim> +??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7 ←
13:47:39 <Zakim> +??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←
13:47:41 <Roland> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jun/0078.html
13:47:56 <Roland> Zakim, P7 is Yam
Roland Merrick: Zakim, P7 is Yam ←
13:47:56 <Zakim> sorry, Roland, I do not recognize a party named 'P7'
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13:48:06 <ShaneM> zakim, ??p8 is Alessio
Shane McCarron: zakim, ??p8 is Alessio ←
13:48:06 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
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13:48:21 <ShaneM> zakim, ??p7 is yam
Shane McCarron: zakim, ??p7 is yam ←
13:48:21 <Zakim> +yam; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yam; got it ←
13:48:22 <Roland> Zakim, ??P7 is Yam
Roland Merrick: Zakim, ??P7 is Yam ←
13:48:23 <Zakim> I already had ??P7 as yam, Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P7 as yam, Roland ←
13:50:13 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
13:50:13 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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13:50:15 <Zakim> +Steven
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13:50:18 <ShaneM> Script: ShaneM
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Unknown Script: ShaneM [ Scribe Assist by Shane McCarron ] ←
13:50:24 <ShaneM> Scribe: ShaneM
(Scribe set to Shane McCarron)
13:50:48 <ShaneM> Topic: XML Base last call
13:50:58 <ShaneM> Roland sent in a last call comment so this is done.
Roland sent in a last call comment so this is done. ←
13:51:09 <ShaneM> Topic: XHR Comment
13:51:34 <ShaneM> We sent in a response to which we got a reply, but we were unclear on whether it was official or not. Steven has an action to follow up.
We sent in a response to which we got a reply, but we were unclear on whether it was official or not. Steven has an action to follow up. ←
13:51:55 <ShaneM> He has sent a follow up and we await a reply.
He has sent a follow up and we await a reply. ←
13:52:09 <Roland> response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jun/0085.html
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Unknown response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jun/0085.html [ Scribe Assist by Roland Merrick ] ←
13:53:17 <ShaneM> Topic: XHTML Basic 1.1
13:53:35 <ShaneM> Transitioned to PR. Voting is ongoing. Remember to tell your AC rep to vote!
Transitioned to PR. Voting is ongoing. Remember to tell your AC rep to vote! ←
13:54:43 <ShaneM> OMA has a meeting and will formally disband the mobile browser effort after completion of 2.4.
OMA has a meeting and will formally disband the mobile browser effort after completion of 2.4. ←
13:55:36 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
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13:55:37 <ShaneM> Note there is a discussion in www-html mailing list about @style and deprecation.
Note there is a discussion in www-html mailing list about @style and deprecation. ←
created using i/Topic: XHTML M12N 1.1/Scribenick: OedipusWrecked
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13:55:46 <ShaneM> Topic: XHTML M12N 1.1
13:56:40 <OedipusWrecked> SM: HenryT did some RelaxNG work - put together document - on drafts page and in agenda
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Shane McCarron: HenryT did some RelaxNG work - put together document - on drafts page and in agenda ←
13:57:07 <Roland> XHTML Modularization for RelaxNG : http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-xhtml-m12n-relaxng-20080604/
Roland Merrick: XHTML Modularization for RelaxNG : http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-xhtml-m12n-relaxng-20080604/ ←
13:57:08 <OedipusWrecked> SM: think we can just do this - nothing stopping us; but should do as separate document or see if way to do PER on M12n
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Shane McCarron: think we can just do this - nothing stopping us; but should do as separate document or see if way to do PER on M12n ←
13:57:35 <OedipusWrecked> SM: to avoid recycling, have to go through peer review for methodology for defining RelaxNG module
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Shane McCarron: to avoid recycling, have to go through peer review for methodology for defining RelaxNG module ←
13:57:47 <OedipusWrecked> SM: once field comments, just roll in
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Shane McCarron: once field comments, just roll in ←
13:57:56 <OedipusWrecked> SP: James?
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Steven Pemberton: James? ←
13:58:12 <OedipusWrecked> SM: yes, JamesC, not HenryT
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Shane McCarron: yes, JamesC, not HenryT ←
13:58:45 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, make minutes ←
13:58:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-xhtml-minutes.html Roland ←
13:58:53 <OedipusWrecked> SM: contacted him and few others about this privaately - haven't heard back from james, but others said "good idea, we support you" let us know when you are done; should actively solicit james' formal participation
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Shane McCarron: contacted him and few others about this privaately - haven't heard back from james, but others said "good idea, we support you" let us know when you are done; should actively solicit james' formal participation ←
13:58:59 <Roland> rrsagent, make log public
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, make log public ←
13:59:04 <OedipusWrecked> scribeNick+ OedipusWrecked
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scribeNick+ OedipusWrecked ←
13:59:22 <OedipusWrecked> SM: grammar straightforward
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Shane McCarron: grammar straightforward ←
13:59:27 <OedipusWrecked> SP: use James' techniques
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Steven Pemberton: use James' techniques ←
13:59:37 <OedipusWrecked> SM: updated to be more consistent for model defined for XML Schema
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Shane McCarron: updated to be more consistent for model defined for XML Schema ←
14:00:30 <OedipusWrecked> SP: ChrisL, main lead until now, will shortly move to a "technical director" at w3c
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Steven Pemberton: ChrisL, domain lead until now, will shortly move to a "technical director" at w3c ←
14:00:45 <ShaneM> s/main lead/domain lead/
14:00:45 <OedipusWrecked> SP: Phillipe Le Hegeret replacing Chris as main lead
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Steven Pemberton: Phillipe Le Hegeret replacing Chris as main lead ←
14:01:00 <OedipusWrecked> SP: ChrisL asked "why not Relax?"
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Steven Pemberton: ChrisL asked "why not Relax?" ←
14:01:04 <OedipusWrecked> SM: SVG said same
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Shane McCarron: SVG said same ←
14:01:15 <OedipusWrecked> SP: Chris strong SVG background
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Steven Pemberton: Chris strong SVG background ←
14:01:26 <OedipusWrecked> SP: thanks shane - amazing stuff
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Steven Pemberton: thanks shane - amazing stuff ←
14:01:34 <OedipusWrecked> SM: have infrastructure so not too hard to do
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Shane McCarron: have infrastructure so not too hard to do ←
14:01:49 <OedipusWrecked> SP: not strictly speaking chartered to do this - have to ensure doesn't cause us grief
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Steven Pemberton: not strictly speaking chartered to do this - have to ensure doesn't cause us grief ←
14:01:53 <OedipusWrecked> SM: good point
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Shane McCarron: good point ←
14:02:11 <OedipusWrecked> RM: pieces fall together into 1.2 and RelaxNG - address at same time
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Roland Merrick: pieces fall together into 1.2 and RelaxNG - address at same time ←
14:02:13 <Zakim> -yam
Zakim IRC Bot: -yam ←
14:02:26 <OedipusWrecked> SP: new version of M12n mentioned in charter
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Steven Pemberton: new version of M12n mentioned in charter ←
14:02:42 <OedipusWrecked> RM: new version of M12n - set priorities of work
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Roland Merrick: new version of M12n - set priorities of work ←
14:02:58 <yamx> time to shift to another call, my apology...
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Unknown yamx: time to shift to another call, my apology... ←
14:03:02 <OedipusWrecked> TOPIC: Future Meetings
14:03:10 <Roland> questionnaire: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jun/0058.html
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Unknown questionnaire: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jun/0058.html [ Scribe Assist by Roland Merrick ] ←
14:03:19 <OedipusWrecked> RM: SP created a questionnaire about availability of particiapants for phone calls this summer
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Roland Merrick: SP created a questionnaire about availability of particiapants for phone calls this summer ←
14:03:29 <OedipusWrecked> (summer in northern hemisphere, at least)
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(summer in northern hemisphere, at least) ←
14:03:54 <Steven> (3 have replied to date)
Steven Pemberton: (3 have replied to date) ←
14:04:01 <OedipusWrecked> RM: push XHTML and HTML5 discussion until next week
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Roland Merrick: push XHTML and HTML5 discussion until next week ←
14:04:48 <OedipusWrecked> RM: didn't like HTML WG response, asked to collaborate on wording - would someone like to propose that verbiage on list?
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Roland Merrick: didn't like HTML WG response, asked to collaborate on wording - would someone like to propose that verbiage on list? ←
14:04:53 <OedipusWrecked> SP: initial straw-man?
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Steven Pemberton: initial straw-man? ←
14:04:59 <OedipusWrecked> RM: yes, so we can discuss
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Roland Merrick: yes, so we can discuss ←
14:05:32 <OedipusWrecked> SP: will have a look --
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Steven Pemberton: will have a look -- ←
14:06:00 <OedipusWrecked> RM: thanks - try and solve problem on list and discuss at future call
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Roland Merrick: thanks - try and solve problem on list and discuss at future call ←
14:06:08 <OedipusWrecked> TOPIC: Action Item Review
14:06:37 <OedipusWrecked> RM: CURIE syntax - resolved at f2f to take to CR; Steven took action to transition request
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Roland Merrick: CURIE syntax - resolved at f2f to take to CR; Steven took action to transition request ←
14:06:47 <OedipusWrecked> SP: have incomplete transition req; will send this week
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Steven Pemberton: have incomplete transition req; will send this week ←
14:07:05 <OedipusWrecked> SM: didn't we want to coordinate with Role req to LC
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Shane McCarron: didn't we want to coordinate with Role req to LC ←
14:07:09 <OedipusWrecked> RM: resolved at f2f?
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Roland Merrick: resolved at f2f? ←
14:07:20 <OedipusWrecked> SM: on agenda for today, because made updates during F2F
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Shane McCarron: on agenda for today, because made updates during F2F ←
14:07:35 <OedipusWrecked> SM: if WG happy with Role, then should do both reqs at same time
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Shane McCarron: if WG happy with Role, then should do both reqs at same time ←
14:07:49 <OedipusWrecked> TOPIC: Preparing Role for Last Call
14:07:56 <OedipusWrecked> rrsagent, make minutes
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rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:07:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-xhtml-minutes.html OedipusWrecked
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-xhtml-minutes.html OedipusWrecked ←
14:08:12 <OedipusWrecked> s/Preparing Role for Last Call/Preparing Role for CR
14:08:18 <OedipusWrecked> SP: don't have new draft up yet
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Steven Pemberton: don't have new draft up yet ←
14:08:24 <OedipusWrecked> RM: put on next week's agenda, then
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Roland Merrick: put on next week's agenda, then ←
14:08:32 <OedipusWrecked> SP: go ahead with CURIEs transition req?
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Steven Pemberton: go ahead with CURIEs transition req? ←
14:08:35 <OedipusWrecked> RM: yes
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Roland Merrick: yes ←
14:08:39 <OedipusWrecked> SM: yes - not coupled
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Shane McCarron: yes - not coupled ←
14:09:24 <OedipusWrecked> TOPIC: XML Events 2
14:09:36 <OedipusWrecked> RM: shane sent out new draft last week and updated yesterday
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Roland Merrick: shane sent out new draft last week and updated yesterday ←
14:09:51 <OedipusWrecked> RM: comment from XForms WG
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Roland Merrick: comment from XForms WG ←
14:10:01 <OedipusWrecked> RM: comment we had solicited a while ago
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Roland Merrick: comment we had solicited a while ago ←
14:10:20 <OedipusWrecked> RM: comments on draft from WG members and those from XForms WG
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Roland Merrick: comments on draft from WG members and those from XForms WG ←
14:10:31 <OedipusWrecked> RM: any comments to make on new XML Events 2 draft?
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Roland Merrick: any comments to make on new XML Events 2 draft? ←
14:10:31 <Steven> link?
Steven Pemberton: link? ←
14:10:57 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-xml-events-20080624/
Steven Pemberton: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-xml-events-20080624/ ←
14:11:50 <OedipusWrecked> SM: diff against last editor's draft;
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Shane McCarron: diff against last editor's draft; ←
14:12:11 <OedipusWrecked> SP: draft in XHTML+RDFa
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Shane McCarron: draft in XHTML+RDFa ←
14:12:19 <OedipusWrecked> s/SP: draft/SM: draft
14:12:49 <OedipusWrecked> SM: handful of triples, but opportunity to demonstrate pub rule change WG notified about by SP on list and to prove XHTML languages work
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Shane McCarron: handful of triples, but opportunity to demonstrate pub rule change WG notified about by SP on list and to prove XHTML languages work ←
14:13:05 <OedipusWrecked> SP: appendix A.4 - missing module; same for D.4
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Steven Pemberton: appendix A.4 - missing module; same for D.4 ←
14:13:40 <OedipusWrecked> GJR: notes that Open Accessibility (http://a11y.org) moving to XHTML+RDFa for its specs (http://a11y.org/specs
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Gregory Rosmaita: notes that Open Accessibility (http://a11y.org) moving to XHTML+RDFa for its specs (http://a11y.org/specs ←
14:14:18 <alessio> great news, gregory
Alessio Cartocci: great news, gregory ←
14:14:22 <Steven> zakim, who is noisy?
Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is noisy? ←
14:14:32 <Zakim> Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Tina (9%)
Zakim IRC Bot: Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Tina (9%) ←
14:14:36 <OedipusWrecked> SM: ModuleName-revision-type - we created XML Script Module, but part of XML 2 - Events model is 2; created handlers as 2 - would like advice of WG
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Shane McCarron: ModuleName-revision-type - we created XML Script Module, but part of XML 2 - Events model is 2; created handlers as 2 - would like advice of WG ←
14:14:47 <OedipusWrecked> SM: are they dash 2 or dash 1
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Shane McCarron: are they dash 2 or dash 1 ←
14:15:25 <OedipusWrecked> RM: Handlers module and Script module - interested in feature level; first version of Handler feature module
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Roland Merrick: Handlers module and Script module - interested in feature level; first version of Handler feature module ←
14:15:28 <OedipusWrecked> SM: think i agree
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Shane McCarron: think i agree ←
14:15:47 <OedipusWrecked> SM: name should be XML Handlers 1?
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Shane McCarron: name should be XML Handlers 1? ←
14:15:55 <OedipusWrecked> SM: will effect change and update document
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Shane McCarron: will effect change and update document ←
14:16:26 <OedipusWrecked> RM: need to get questions out about Handlers
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Roland Merrick: need to get questions out about Handlers ←
14:16:30 <OedipusWrecked> SM: do we have an answer
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Shane McCarron: do we have an answer ←
14:16:35 <OedipusWrecked> RM: should before go forward
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Roland Merrick: should before go forward ←
14:16:45 <OedipusWrecked> SM: agree - just wondering if anyone knew answer
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Shane McCarron: agree - just wondering if anyone knew answer ←
14:16:56 <OedipusWrecked> RM: Event listeners when registered as listener for event
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Roland Merrick: Event listeners when registered as listener for event ←
14:17:03 <OedipusWrecked> SM: ok
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Shane McCarron: ok ←
14:17:13 <OedipusWrecked> RM: don't register events, but listeners
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Roland Merrick: don't register events, but listeners ←
14:17:28 <OedipusWrecked> SM: did MarkB send regrets?
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Shane McCarron: did MarkB send regrets? ←
14:17:42 <OedipusWrecked> SP: didn't but haven't seen him around all day
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Steven Pemberton: didn't but haven't seen him around all day ←
14:18:01 <OedipusWrecked> RM: when get processed is straightforward
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Roland Merrick: when get processed is straightforward ←
14:18:29 <OedipusWrecked> SP: not sure what the questtion is: registered listeners for events
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Steven Pemberton: not sure what the questtion is: registered listeners for events ←
14:18:35 <OedipusWrecked> RM: when does that take place?
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Roland Merrick: when does that take place? ←
14:19:03 <OedipusWrecked> RM: for ListenerAction would be whatever action is - same with remove event; for Listener element that would be when document is loaded?
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Roland Merrick: for ListenerAction would be whatever action is - same with remove event; for Listener element that would be when document is loaded? ←
14:19:28 <OedipusWrecked> SP: has to happen before event "load" - want to catch load event, so needs to be fired before "load"
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Steven Pemberton: has to happen before event "load" - want to catch load event, so needs to be fired before "load" ←
14:19:43 <OedipusWrecked> SP: XML Model Ready Event from XForms can be loaded
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Steven Pemberton: XML Model Ready Event from XForms can be loaded ←
14:19:53 <OedipusWrecked> SM: Model Ready similar to DOM Ready
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Shane McCarron: Model Ready similar to DOM Ready ←
14:20:04 <OedipusWrecked> SM: new WebAPI draft defines DOM Ready as real state
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Shane McCarron: new WebAPI draft defines DOM Ready as real state ←
14:20:19 <OedipusWrecked> SP: DOM Ready in XML Events as well? send event?
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Steven Pemberton: DOM Ready in XML Events as well? send event? ←
14:20:22 <OedipusWrecked> SM: yes
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Shane McCarron: yes ←
14:20:58 <OedipusWrecked> SP: prefer to ask implementors their opinion - quite a number of implementors of XML Events - what have they done what do they think is achievable
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Steven Pemberton: prefer to ask implementors their opinion - quite a number of implementors of XML Events - what have they done what do they think is achievable ←
14:21:06 <OedipusWrecked> RM: when it happens
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Roland Merrick: when it happens ←
14:21:34 <OedipusWrecked> SP: another question: if modify DOM and change some part of registration of listener, should that change happen - are attributes "live" or should they not be
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Steven Pemberton: another question: if modify DOM and change some part of registration of listener, should that change happen - are attributes "live" or should they not be ←
14:21:40 <OedipusWrecked> RM: personally, think "live"
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Roland Merrick: personally, think "live" ←
14:22:11 <OedipusWrecked> SP: reason for uncertainty - if doing scripting anyway, most direct way of doing it would be to unregister and register events via scripting - if can do in scripting, why do in events
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Steven Pemberton: reason for uncertainty - if doing scripting anyway, most direct way of doing it would be to unregister and register events via scripting - if can do in scripting, why do in events ←
14:22:44 <OedipusWrecked> RM: too many assumptions - may reuse script written by 3rd party, and write the markup that is included
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Roland Merrick: too many assumptions - may reuse script written by 3rd party, and write the markup that is included ←
14:23:10 <OedipusWrecked> SP: if intention of script is to register or deregister certain listeners for events, easier to just do directly using DOM API rather than messing with DOM of document
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Steven Pemberton: if intention of script is to register or deregister certain listeners for events, easier to just do directly using DOM API rather than messing with DOM of document ←
14:23:43 <OedipusWrecked> RM: if have double fragment of markup wiht declarative event handler, but no script, just XML Events and Handlers, if that pulled in by script needs to check code?
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Roland Merrick: if have double fragment of markup wiht declarative event handler, but no script, just XML Events and Handlers, if that pulled in by script needs to check code? ←
14:23:46 <OedipusWrecked> SP: not sure
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Steven Pemberton: not sure ←
14:24:05 <OedipusWrecked> SP: think would make XML Events harder to implement
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Steven Pemberton: think would make XML Events harder to implement ←
14:24:20 <OedipusWrecked> SM: question in document and go to LC, or solicit implementors advice first
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Shane McCarron: question in document and go to LC, or solicit implementors advice first ←
14:24:29 <OedipusWrecked> SP: advice first - solicit from Forms WG first
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Steven Pemberton: advice first - solicit from Forms WG first ←
14:25:42 <OedipusWrecked> ACTION: ShaneM - solicit advice from Forms WG on registration and deregistration of listeners and handlers
ACTION: ShaneM - solicit advice from Forms WG on registration and deregistration of listeners and handlers ←
14:25:50 <OedipusWrecked> rrsagent, make minutes
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rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:25:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-xhtml-minutes.html OedipusWrecked
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-xhtml-minutes.html OedipusWrecked ←
14:26:26 <OedipusWrecked> TOPIC: New Comments Received Since Agenda Pushed
14:26:48 <OedipusWrecked> RM: new version of XML Schema - Last Call for XSD 1.1 -- asked to review that
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Roland Merrick: new version of XML Schema - Last Call for XSD 1.1 -- asked to review that ←
14:27:04 <OedipusWrecked> SP: considering M12n, don't think have much connection
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Steven Pemberton: considering M12n, don't think have much option ←
14:27:18 <OedipusWrecked> SM: right, but like to try to get MarkB's take on this
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Shane McCarron: right, but like to try to get MarkB's take on this ←
14:27:26 <Steven> s/connection/option
14:27:43 <OedipusWrecked> RM: test water with MarkB, Shane - will put on agenda for next week
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Roland Merrick: test water with MarkB, Shane - will put on agenda for next week ←
14:28:10 <OedipusWrecked> RM: another late request from David Orchard about TAG finding - would like our thoughts on that, too
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Roland Merrick: another late request from David Orchard about TAG finding - would like our thoughts on that, too ←
14:28:15 <Roland> Proposed Final Review of W3C TAG Finding "Passwords in the Clear"
Roland Merrick: Proposed Final Review of W3C TAG Finding "Passwords in the Clear" ←
14:28:22 <Roland> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jun/0083.html
Roland Merrick: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jun/0083.html ←
14:28:46 <OedipusWrecked> RM: anyone any idea why should take a pass at this?
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Roland Merrick: anyone any idea why should take a pass at this? ←
14:28:58 <OedipusWrecked> RM: Last Call courtesy?
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Roland Merrick: Last Call courtesy? ←
14:29:05 <OedipusWrecked> SM: yep
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Shane McCarron: yep ←
14:29:12 <OedipusWrecked> RM: anyone fancy taking a look at this?
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Roland Merrick: anyone fancy taking a look at this? ←
14:29:18 <OedipusWrecked> SM: i'd be happy to
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Shane McCarron: i'd be happy to ←
14:29:45 <Steven> It's 2 pages long
Steven Pemberton: It's 2 pages long ←
14:29:51 <OedipusWrecked> TH: passwords in clear - confused by it
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Tina Holmboe: passwords in clear - confused by it ←
14:30:05 <OedipusWrecked> TH: not clear
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Tina Holmboe: not clear ←
14:30:25 <OedipusWrecked> RM: 2 sets of feedback would be good if TH wants to add to SM's comment
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Roland Merrick: 2 sets of feedback would be good if TH wants to add to SM's comment ←
14:30:48 <OedipusWrecked> TH: document to comment on - last good practice suggestion contains a SHOULD rather than MUST - makes me shiver
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Tina Holmboe: document to comment on - last good practice suggestion contains a SHOULD rather than MUST - makes me shiver ←
14:31:17 <OedipusWrecked> SM: does seem odd at first impression - let's talk offline TH
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Shane McCarron: does seem odd at first impression - let's talk offline TH ←
14:31:19 <OedipusWrecked> RM: good
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Roland Merrick: good ←
14:31:37 <OedipusWrecked> RM: feedback on Access from DougS as person
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Roland Merrick: feedback on Access from DougS as person ←
14:32:00 <OedipusWrecked> RM: GJR supposed to solicit feedback from UbiWeb;
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Roland Merrick: GJR supposed to solicit feedback from UbiWeb; ←
14:32:22 <OedipusWrecked> SP: nick of XForms said "looks fine" but not official response - checking to see if on agenda for Forms call today
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Steven Pemberton: nick of XForms said "looks fine" but not official response - checking to see if on agenda for Forms call today ←
14:32:43 <OedipusWrecked> GJR: sent request to UbiWeb, UAWG, and DougS, who replied as individual
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Gregory Rosmaita: sent request to UbiWeb, UAWG, and DougS, who replied as individual ←
14:32:53 <OedipusWrecked> SP: discussion is on Forms agenda
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Steven Pemberton: discussion is on Forms agenda ←
14:33:37 <OedipusWrecked> GJR: need to ask UbiWeb chairs directly
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Gregory Rosmaita: need to ask UbiWeb chairs directly ←
14:33:54 <OedipusWrecked> RM: include Dave Raggett
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Roland Merrick: include Dave Raggett ←
14:33:57 <OedipusWrecked> GJR: yep
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Gregory Rosmaita: yep ←
14:34:02 <OedipusWrecked> TOPIC: RDFa
14:34:18 <Zakim> -Alessio
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alessio ←
14:34:52 <OedipusWrecked> SP: heads-up to what's happening: BBC (uses microformats) announced not going to use HCalendar because of accessibility issues, so looking into using RDFa instaead - just happened a few days ago
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Steven Pemberton: heads-up to what's happening: BBC (uses microformats) announced not going to use HCalendar because of accessibility issues, so looking into using RDFa instaead - just happened a few days ago ←
14:34:58 <Zakim> +??P0
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0 ←
14:35:04 <alessio> zakim, ??P0 is Alessio
Alessio Cartocci: zakim, ??P0 is Alessio ←
14:35:06 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alessio; got it ←
14:35:23 <OedipusWrecked> SP: MarkB trying to use to draw microformats people into our fold - all trying to do same thing and RDFa may be the solution - let's work together
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Steven Pemberton: MarkB trying to use to draw microformats people into our fold - all trying to do same thing and RDFa may be the solution - let's work together ←
14:35:35 <Roland> http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/2008/06/removing_microformats_from_bbc.shtml
Roland Merrick: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radiolabs/2008/06/removing_microformats_from_bbc.shtml ←
14:36:03 <OedipusWrecked> RM: use other microformats
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Roland Merrick: use other microformats ←
14:36:12 <OedipusWrecked> SP: only HCal being dropped
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Steven Pemberton: only HCal being dropped ←
14:36:38 <OedipusWrecked> SM: when using geostuff do you use in context of ICal?
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Shane McCarron: when using geostuff do you use in context of ICal? ←
14:36:49 <OedipusWrecked> RM: don't use calendar
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Roland Merrick: don't use calendar ←
14:37:10 <OedipusWrecked> RM: if sorted out with GoogleCalendar and iCal, might consider
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Roland Merrick: if sorted out with GoogleCalendar and iCal, might consider ←
14:37:49 <OedipusWrecked> TOPIC: XHTML 1.1 Second Edition and XHTML2
14:37:57 <OedipusWrecked> RM: as we have modularization moved forward, what is our plan
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Roland Merrick: as we have modularization moved forward, what is our plan ←
14:38:05 <OedipusWrecked> RM: did we get difinitive response from Ruby?
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Roland Merrick: did we get difinitive response from Ruby? ←
14:38:35 <OedipusWrecked> SM: XHTML 1.1 draft put up for discussion today includes Schema of Ruby module
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Shane McCarron: XHTML 1.1 draft put up for discussion today includes Schema of Ruby module ←
14:38:40 <OedipusWrecked> RM: update in draft?
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Roland Merrick: update in draft? ←
14:38:46 <OedipusWrecked> SM: thought i sent email
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Shane McCarron: thought i sent email ←
14:39:23 <OedipusWrecked> SM: at f2f last week, decided 1.1 should be adding Schema and errata so i produced such a document - ready to go to PER, but dependent upon M12n, so need M12n to finish process
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Shane McCarron: at f2f last week, decided 1.1 should be adding Schema and errata so i produced such a document - ready to go to PER, but dependent upon M12n, so need M12n to finish process ←
14:39:37 <OedipusWrecked> SP: M12n can walk one step behind - think we are good to go
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Steven Pemberton: M12n can walk one step behind - think we are good to go ←
14:39:40 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-xhtml11-20080624/
Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-xhtml11-20080624/ ←
14:39:48 <OedipusWrecked> RM: XHTML 1.1 Second Edition
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Roland Merrick: XHTML 1.1 Second Edition ←
14:40:03 <OedipusWrecked> SM: new version posted 24 june 2008
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Shane McCarron: new version posted 24 june 2008 ←
14:40:33 <OedipusWrecked> SM: sent notification
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Shane McCarron: sent notification ←
14:40:42 <OedipusWrecked> RM: mail gremlins, perhaps
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Roland Merrick: mail gremlins, perhaps ←
14:41:26 <OedipusWrecked> SM: summarize changes: took out input attribute module; included shema implementation of Ruby model; changed conformance def so doctype is a MAY (done in M12n anyway)
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Shane McCarron: summarize changes: took out input attribute module; included schema implementation of Ruby model; changed conformance def so doctype is a MAY (done in M12n anyway) ←
14:41:42 <OedipusWrecked> s/shema/schema
14:41:53 <OedipusWrecked> RM: point of waiting until M12n goes through?
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Roland Merrick: point of waiting until M12n goes through? ←
14:41:58 <OedipusWrecked> SM: can advance it now
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Shane McCarron: can advance it now ←
14:42:06 <OedipusWrecked> GJR: plus 1
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Gregory Rosmaita: plus 1 ←
14:42:12 <OedipusWrecked> RM: let's get it off table
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Roland Merrick: let's get it off table ←
14:42:40 <OedipusWrecked> Proposed Resolution Move XHTML 1.1 Second Edition to PER
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Proposed Resolution Move XHTML 1.1 Second Edition to PER ←
14:43:17 <OedipusWrecked> TH: not a problem but can someone explain issue
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Tina Holmboe: not a problem but can someone explain issue ←
14:43:59 <OedipusWrecked> SM: core of issue is doctype means DTD to some people; requiring use of doctype in view of some, including TBL)
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Shane McCarron: core of issue is doctype means DTD to some people; requiring use of doctype in view of some, including TBL) ←
14:44:20 <OedipusWrecked> SM: portability guidance: always use a doctype - it is how UAs know what to do
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Shane McCarron: portability guidance: always use a doctype - it is how UAs know what to do ←
14:44:41 <OedipusWrecked> RM: chapter of changes from XHTML 1.0 Strict, would allowing RDFa not be a change?
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Roland Merrick: chapter of changes from XHTML 1.0 Strict, would allowing RDFa not be a change? ←
14:45:04 <OedipusWrecked> RM: in 1.1 SE, there is a changes from XHTML 1.0 Strict - should we mention RDFa?
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Roland Merrick: in 1.1 SE, there is a changes from XHTML 1.0 Strict - should we mention RDFa? ←
14:45:13 <OedipusWrecked> SM: XHTML 1.0 doesn't do anything with RDFa
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Shane McCarron: XHTML 1.0 doesn't do anything with RDFa ←
14:45:29 <OedipusWrecked> SM: change conformance definition?
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Shane McCarron: change conformance definition? ←
14:45:38 <OedipusWrecked> RM: what does it mean to say changed doctype
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Roland Merrick: what does it mean to say changed doctype ←
14:45:48 <OedipusWrecked> SM: didn't change doctype - changed a MAY to a SHOULD
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Shane McCarron: didn't change doctype - changed a MAY to a SHOULD ←
14:46:07 <OedipusWrecked> TH: without doctype, how will authors encourage identifying markup language and version
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Tina Holmboe: without doctype, how will authors encourage identifying markup language and version ←
14:46:32 <OedipusWrecked> TH: that's what doctype is for - a label stating this is the markup language and version used in this docment - doesn't that argue for a MUST?
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Tina Holmboe: that's what doctype is for - a label stating this is the markup language and version used in this docment - doesn't that argue for a MUST? ←
14:46:42 <OedipusWrecked> SM: Schema asked us to change MUST to SHOULD
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Shane McCarron: Schema asked us to change MUST to SHOULD ←
14:46:53 <ShaneM> The start tag SHOULD contain a version attribute that declares the version of XHTML in use. The version of this version of XHTML is -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN.
Shane McCarron: The start tag SHOULD contain a version attribute that declares the version of XHTML in use. The version of this version of XHTML is -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN. ←
14:47:24 <OedipusWrecked> SM: use @version - that's way to announce version of language in document that is portable
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Shane McCarron: use @version - that's way to announce version of language in document that is portable ←
14:47:39 <OedipusWrecked> TH: not requiring doctype for conformance for first time since HTML Wilbur (3.2)
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Tina Holmboe: not requiring doctype for conformance for first time since HTML Wilbur (3.2) ←
14:47:57 <OedipusWrecked> SP: TBL says doctypes are an old technology; seems anti-doctype
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Steven Pemberton: TBL says doctypes are an old technology; seems anti-doctype ←
14:48:09 <OedipusWrecked> SP: no other technology that gives one character entities
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Steven Pemberton: no other technology that gives one character entities ←
14:48:34 <OedipusWrecked> TH: forgetting that doctype just a label, not a technology - could point to schema, but need doctype to refer to grammar
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Tina Holmboe: forgetting that doctype just a label, not a technology - could point to schema, but need doctype to refer to grammar ←
14:48:56 <OedipusWrecked> SP: particular document may satisfy more than one doctype - may not want to commit to Basic if also support 1.1
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Steven Pemberton: particular document may satisfy more than one doctype - may not want to commit to Basic if also support 1.1 ←
14:49:00 <OedipusWrecked> Alessio: understand
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Alessio Cartocci: understand ←
14:49:13 <OedipusWrecked> RM: what string to use for particular version?
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Roland Merrick: what string to use for particular version? ←
14:49:26 <OedipusWrecked> SM: conformance clause pasted into IRC previously
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Shane McCarron: conformance clause pasted into IRC previously ←
14:49:36 <OedipusWrecked> SM: used values in DTD from 2000
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Shane McCarron: used values in DTD from 2000 ←
14:49:50 <OedipusWrecked> SP: system identifier might make some in TAG happier
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Steven Pemberton: system identifier might make some in TAG happier ←
14:49:57 <OedipusWrecked> SM: didn't change - for future
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Shane McCarron: didn't change - for future ←
14:50:24 <OedipusWrecked> SM: plan was to create document set slash markup features that uses RDFa to make the magic occur
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Shane McCarron: plan was to create document set slash markup features that uses RDFa to make the magic occur ←
14:50:32 <OedipusWrecked> RM: five minutes over time - any issues?
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Roland Merrick: five minutes over time - any issues? ←
14:50:44 <OedipusWrecked> TH: need to discuss futher - doctype question will affect XHTML2
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Tina Holmboe: need to discuss futher - doctype question will affect XHTML2 ←
14:50:50 <OedipusWrecked> SM: lets discuss on list
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Shane McCarron: lets discuss on list ←
14:50:52 <alessio> +1
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14:51:12 <Zakim> Attendees were ShaneM, Roland, +04670855aaaa, Tina, Alessio, yam, Steven, Gregory_Rosmaita
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14:51:34 <OedipusWrecked> rrsagent, make minutes
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rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:51:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-xhtml-minutes.html OedipusWrecked
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14:51:38 <OedipusWrecked> no problem
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no problem ←
14:51:40 <Steven> thanks
Steven Pemberton: thanks ←
14:52:58 <OedipusWrecked> scribe+ OedipusWrecked
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scribe+ OedipusWrecked ←
14:53:02 <OedipusWrecked> rrsagent, make minutes
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rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:53:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-xhtml-minutes.html OedipusWrecked
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14:53:49 <OedipusWrecked> scribe+ Gregory_Rosmaita
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scribe+ Gregory_Rosmaita ←
14:53:59 <OedipusWrecked> rrsagent, make minutes
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rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:53:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-xhtml-minutes.html OedipusWrecked
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14:58:54 <OedipusWrecked> steven, you're going to have to edit the minutes - i added myself as scribe before scribing, but it didn't take, and now i can't get the perl script to recognize my notes as minutes
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steven, you're going to have to edit the minutes - i added myself as scribe before scribing, but it didn't take, and now i can't get the perl script to recognize my notes as minutes ←
15:02:09 <ShaneM> buckaroo????? awesome stuff. I have the script in my collection at home. best movie ever.
Shane McCarron: buckaroo????? awesome stuff. I have the script in my collection at home. best movie ever. ←
15:02:36 <Tina> It tends to rank up with "Young Einstein" ... ;)
Tina Holmboe: It tends to rank up with "Young Einstein" ... ;) ←
15:02:38 <ShaneM> we saw it 8 times in the theater
Shane McCarron: we saw it 8 times in the theater ←
15:03:00 <ShaneM> remember - no matter where you go - there you are. c'mon. its a classic.
Shane McCarron: remember - no matter where you go - there you are. c'mon. its a classic. ←
15:03:12 <ShaneM> no no. don't tug on that. you never know what it might be attached to.
Shane McCarron: no no. don't tug on that. you never know what it might be attached to. ←
15:03:22 <Tina> ShaneM: did you ever run across the super hero generator online?
Shane McCarron: did you ever run across the super hero generator online? [ Scribe Assist by Tina Holmboe ] ←
15:03:24 <OedipusWrecked> amen, brother buckaroo
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amen, brother buckaroo ←
15:03:31 <ShaneM> no...
Shane McCarron: no... ←
15:04:00 <OedipusWrecked> hey, shane, i can't get rrsagent retroactively to recognize me as scribe - should i just leave as-is and let steven worry about cleaning it up?
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hey, shane, i can't get rrsagent retroactively to recognize me as scribe - should i just leave as-is and let steven worry about cleaning it up? ←
15:04:11 <Tina> ShaneM: it's basically a script which assemble such phrases as "He was a rock-playin' brain-surgeon with a major in physics ... she was a .... together they fight crime!"
Shane McCarron: it's basically a script which assemble such phrases as "He was a rock-playin' brain-surgeon with a major in physics ... she was a .... together they fight crime!" [ Scribe Assist by Tina Holmboe ] ←
15:04:15 <ShaneM> yes that is exactly what I would do.
Shane McCarron: yes that is exactly what I would do. ←
15:04:32 <OedipusWrecked> i swear i did a scribeNick+ OedipusWrecked, but may have typed "oedipus" out of force of habit
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i swear i did a scribeNick+ OedipusWrecked, but may have typed "oedipus" out of force of habit ←
15:04:46 <OedipusWrecked> rrsagent, bye
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rrsagent, bye ←
15:04:46 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-xhtml-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-xhtml-actions.rdf : ←
15:04:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ShaneM - solicit advice from Forms WG on registration and deregistration of listeners and handlers [1]
ACTION: ShaneM - solicit advice from Forms WG on registration and deregistration of listeners and handlers [1] ←
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15:06:22 <ShaneM> exactly. and that's what we way in XHTML 1.1 right now. http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-xhtml11-20080625/conformance.html#s_conform
Shane McCarron: exactly. and that's what we way in XHTML 1.1 right now. http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-xhtml11-20080625/conformance.html#s_conform ←
15:06:52 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:06:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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15:07:36 <Tina> ShaneM: still hurts.
Shane McCarron: still hurts. [ Scribe Assist by Tina Holmboe ] ←
15:11:08 <ShaneM> unfortuntaely XML stupidly REQUIRES the system identifier and made optional the PUBLIC identifier. otherwise..... it could really just be a label
Shane McCarron: unfortuntaely XML stupidly REQUIRES the system identifier and made optional the PUBLIC identifier. otherwise..... it could really just be a label ←
15:11:44 <Tina> Scenario: no @accesskey is used. Should I test for ACCESS? Yeah, I should, IF ... it is XHTML 2.
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Unknown Scenario: no @accesskey is used. Should I test for ACCESS? Yeah, I should, IF ... it is XHTML 2. [ Scribe Assist by Tina Holmboe ] ←
15:11:47 <ShaneM> what would be interesting is to mandate a specific SYSTEM identifier that does not map to a DTD, but instead uses content negotaition to give what you really want
Shane McCarron: what would be interesting is to mandate a specific SYSTEM identifier that does not map to a DTD, but instead uses content negotaition to give what you really want ←
15:11:57 <ShaneM> Tina: or xhtml 1.2 ?
Tina Holmboe: or xhtml 1.2 ? [ Scribe Assist by Shane McCarron ] ←
15:12:06 <Tina> But how do I /detect/ XHTML 2 so I know I can pass a document that way?
Tina Holmboe: But how do I /detect/ XHTML 2 so I know I can pass a document that way? ←
15:12:38 <ShaneM> it has a doctype and a unique @version attribute.... check for those?
Shane McCarron: it has a doctype and a unique @version attribute.... check for those? ←
15:12:50 <Tina> ShaneM: what if it doesn't have a DOCTYPE+
Shane McCarron: what if it doesn't have a DOCTYPE+ [ Scribe Assist by Tina Holmboe ] ←
15:12:51 <Tina> ?
Tina Holmboe: ? ←
15:13:00 <OedipusWrecked> your UA will know it when it smells it - XHTML by any other name would still smell like a rose, whilst a paved cow path will always stink of cow patties
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your UA will know it when it smells it - XHTML by any other name would still smell like a rose, whilst a paved cow path will always stink of cow patties ←
15:13:14 <ShaneM> well.... it definitely HAS a document. do you mean what if a document instance has no doctype?
Shane McCarron: well.... it definitely HAS a document. do you mean what if a document instance has no doctype? ←
15:14:17 <OedipusWrecked> shane, i am intrigued by your content negotiation thougts, expressed above, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter (to quote homer j.)
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shane, i am intrigued by your content negotiation thougts, expressed above, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter (to quote homer j.) ←
15:14:20 <Tina> ShaneM: yep. IF the document has no @accesskey, but HAS <access />, should I flag as pass?
Shane McCarron: yep. IF the document has no @accesskey, but HAS <access />, should I flag as pass? [ Scribe Assist by Tina Holmboe ] ←
15:15:02 <ShaneM> only iff the access element has a key attribute, imho.
Shane McCarron: only iff the access element has a key attribute, imho. ←
15:15:22 <Tina> ShaneM: or should I say "Well, it HAS <access />, but I see no DOCTYPE, so I have no idea whether <access /> is ALLOWED for this document ... "
Shane McCarron: or should I say "Well, it HAS <access />, but I see no DOCTYPE, so I have no idea whether <access /> is ALLOWED for this document ... " [ Scribe Assist by Tina Holmboe ] ←
15:15:28 <OedipusWrecked> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008AprJun/0137.html
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008AprJun/0137.html ←
15:15:36 <ShaneM> although it could be binding to a handler that is in turm looking for specific keys. you don't need to use a key attribute.
Shane McCarron: although it could be binding to a handler that is in turm looking for specific keys. you don't need to use a key attribute. ←
15:15:43 <Tina> ShaneM: oh, yes. We'll flag access-without-key as a "manual review" anyway.
Shane McCarron: oh, yes. We'll flag access-without-key as a "manual review" anyway. [ Scribe Assist by Tina Holmboe ] ←
15:15:44 <OedipusWrecked> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008AprJun/0158.html
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008AprJun/0158.html ←
15:16:15 <ShaneM> very ver nice gregory
Shane McCarron: very ver nice gregory ←
15:16:25 <OedipusWrecked> yeah, but not the response...
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yeah, but not the response... ←
15:16:25 <Tina> ShaneM: but ... if DOCTYPE is not mandatory for XHTML 2, for instance, how the hell do I test to see if <access /> is valid for the document? Hm. XMLNS.
Shane McCarron: but ... if DOCTYPE is not mandatory for XHTML 2, for instance, how the hell do I test to see if <access /> is valid for the document? Hm. XMLNS. [ Scribe Assist by Tina Holmboe ] ←
15:16:38 <ShaneM> no. same namespace
Shane McCarron: no. same namespace ←
15:16:57 <Tina> ShaneM: argls.
Shane McCarron: argls. [ Scribe Assist by Tina Holmboe ] ←
15:17:33 <ShaneM> many people have opined that any document that validates against a schema is written using that markup language. I personally reject that argument.
Shane McCarron: many people have opined that any document that validates against a schema is written using that markup language. I personally reject that argument. ←
15:18:06 <Tina> That scenario is a little too much heuristics even for SSX tho. I can't do reverse validation to figure out which language it is so I can figure out which elements ARE allowed ...
Tina Holmboe: That scenario is a little too much heuristics even for SSX tho. I can't do reverse validation to figure out which language it is so I can figure out which elements ARE allowed ... ←
15:18:09 <ShaneM> however, the argument goes that if you can validate a document against XHTML MP and XHTML Basic 1.1 and XHTML 1.1 it must be an instance of all three of those.
Shane McCarron: however, the argument goes that if you can validate a document against XHTML MP and XHTML Basic 1.1 and XHTML 1.1 it must be an instance of all three of those. ←
15:18:45 <Tina> ShaneM: there's some validity in that argument, but in practical terms it is useless.
Shane McCarron: there's some validity in that argument, but in practical terms it is useless. [ Scribe Assist by Tina Holmboe ] ←
15:18:48 <ShaneM> but no, I would not recommend that you attempt to guess. if this is a tool, perhaps if you cannot discover the language you can ask the user what language they are using.
Shane McCarron: but no, I would not recommend that you attempt to guess. if this is a tool, perhaps if you cannot discover the language you can ask the user what language they are using. ←
15:19:34 <Tina> ShaneM: that's a good idea, if SSX isn't tailored towards batch processing of sites :(
Shane McCarron: that's a good idea, if SSX isn't tailored towards batch processing of sites :( [ Scribe Assist by Tina Holmboe ] ←
15:19:39 <ShaneM> yes, its a very ivory tower argument. However, I could see using the profile parameter of the content type to indicate the specific grammar(s) a document was targeted at.
Shane McCarron: yes, its a very ivory tower argument. However, I could see using the profile parameter of the content type to indicate the specific grammar(s) a document was targeted at. ←
15:19:54 <ShaneM> in general a site is all written in a specific language tho.
Shane McCarron: in general a site is all written in a specific language tho. ←
15:21:23 <Tina> ShaneM: I shall admit I don't understand the reason for not accepting that a DOCTYPE, and the fpi in particular, is simply an *identifier*
Shane McCarron: I shall admit I don't understand the reason for not accepting that a DOCTYPE, and the fpi in particular, is simply an *identifier* [ Scribe Assist by Tina Holmboe ] ←
15:21:51 <Steven> i/Topic: XHTML M12N 1.1/Scribenick: OedipusWrecked
15:21:58 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make minutes ←
15:21:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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15:23:58 <ShaneM> Tina: Well..... I really have no idea. Its silly. Sure there is some overlap between DOCTYPE and the method of validation via XML DTDs but.... that is only one minor application of DOCTYPE in the real world.
Tina Holmboe: Well..... I really have no idea. Its silly. Sure there is some overlap between DOCTYPE and the method of validation via XML DTDs but.... that is only one minor application of DOCTYPE in the real world. [ Scribe Assist by Shane McCarron ] ←
15:24:41 <Steven> Yay! Worked
Steven Pemberton: Yay! Worked ←
15:58:20 <oedipus> tina, shaneM - i lost power for a while which is VERY frustrating
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Gregory Rosmaita: tina, shaneM - i lost power for a while which is VERY frustrating ←
15:59:23 <Tina> oedipus: so I can imagine!
Gregory Rosmaita: so I can imagine! [ Scribe Assist by Tina Holmboe ] ←
16:00:09 <oedipus> the only thing i have to "write" with is a braille typewriter, which i can use as an input device, but don't have the tactile sensitivity to "read" the output :(
Gregory Rosmaita: the only thing i have to "write" with is a braille typewriter, which i can use as an input device, but don't have the tactile sensitivity to "read" the output :( ←
16:00:39 <oedipus> oh, yeah, i wanted to point you to a UA thread on keyboard issues - they are a "special focus" of UAAG20
Gregory Rosmaita: oh, yeah, i wanted to point you to a UA thread on keyboard issues - they are a "special focus" of UAAG20 ←
16:01:12 <oedipus> thread starts at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008AprJun/0142.html
Gregory Rosmaita: thread starts at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008AprJun/0142.html ←
16:02:07 <oedipus> first public working draft of UAAG 2.0 - http://www.w3.org/TR/uaag20
Gregory Rosmaita: first public working draft of UAAG 2.0 - http://www.w3.org/TR/uaag20 ←
16:02:39 <Tina> Useful stuff - thanks!
Tina Holmboe: Useful stuff - thanks! ←
16:02:42 <oedipus> the requirements document for UAAG 2.0 is: http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-UAAG20-requirements-20071031/
Gregory Rosmaita: the requirements document for UAAG 2.0 is: http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-UAAG20-requirements-20071031/ ←
16:09:47 <Tina> Well, I can happily conclude that Sennheiser has done it again :)
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Tina Holmboe: Well, I can happily conclude that Sennheiser has done it again :) ←
16:10:20 <oedipus> grin - PF face2face starting - go ARIA
Gregory Rosmaita: grin - PF face2face starting - go ARIA ←
19:37:21 <oedipus[away]> I am now away. Reason: "recharging mind, body, phone and espresso pot" E-mail: not specified Left At: Wednesday 25 June 2008 - 3:37 PM (tIRC away system)
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Unknown oedipus[away]: I am now away. Reason: "recharging mind, body, phone and espresso pot" E-mail: not specified Left At: Wednesday 25 June 2008 - 3:37 PM (tIRC away system) ←
20:50:38 <oedipus> I am back from: recharging mind, body, phone and espresso pot: Left At: Wednesday 25 June 2008 - 3:37 PM which was 1hr 13mins 17secs ago (tIRC Away System)
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Gregory Rosmaita: I am back from: recharging mind, body, phone and espresso pot: Left At: Wednesday 25 June 2008 - 3:37 PM which was 1hr 13mins 17secs ago (tIRC Away System) ←
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