None.
There are some format problems with the chatlog. Please correct them and reload this page. They are labeled on this page in a red box, like this message.
It may be helpful to
13:39:40 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/05/28-xhtml-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/05/28-xhtml-irc ←
13:39:46 <Tina> ShaneM_: you are only visible once ...
Shane McCarron: you are only visible once ... [ Scribe Assist by Tina Holmboe ] ←
13:39:58 <Steven> zakim, this will be xhtml
Steven Pemberton: zakim, this will be xhtml ←
13:39:58 <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes ←
13:40:10 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make log public ←
13:40:33 <Steven> Meeting: Weekly XHTML2 Teleconference
13:40:37 <Steven> Chair: Roland
13:41:16 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008May/0111
13:41:25 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008May/0111
Steven Pemberton: Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008May/0111 ←
13:41:35 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started ←
13:41:42 <Zakim> +ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM ←
13:41:54 <Steven> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-xhtml-minutes.html
13:44:08 <Zakim> +Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: +Roland ←
13:47:09 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
Steven Pemberton: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
13:47:09 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←
13:47:11 <Zakim> +Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←
13:47:12 <Zakim> +??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←
13:47:24 <yamx> zakim, ??P8 is yamx
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'yamx' does not match any of the 22 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown yamx: zakim, ??P8 is yamx ←
13:47:24 <Zakim> +yamx; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yamx; got it ←
13:49:52 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: +Gregory_Rosmaita ←
13:50:29 <Roland> Regrets: +Alessio
Scribe problem: the name '+Alessio' does not match any of the 19 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Christina Bottomley Elias Torres Gerrie Shults Gregory Rosmaita John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Masataka Yakura Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Roland Merrick Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami
13:51:05 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, make minutes ←
13:51:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/28-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/28-xhtml-minutes.html Roland ←
13:51:33 <Roland> rrsagent, make log public
Roland Merrick: rrsagent, make log public ←
13:52:53 <ShaneM_> here's the link about attributes in namespaces: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml-names/#defaulting
Shane McCarron: here's the link about attributes in namespaces: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml-names/#defaulting ←
13:53:40 <Steven> "Default namespace declarations do not apply directly to attribute names; the interpretation of unprefixed attributes is determined by the element on which they appear."
Steven Pemberton: "Default namespace declarations do not apply directly to attribute names; the interpretation of unprefixed attributes is determined by the element on which they appear." ←
13:56:06 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
(Scribe set to Steven Pemberton)
13:56:15 <Steven> Topic: Null namespace discussion
14:01:54 <oedipus> there are elements of the audience that won't grok it because they don't care and would rather have things buttoned-down and controlled
(No events recorded for 5 minutes)
Gregory Rosmaita: there are elements of the audience that won't grok it because they don't care and would rather have things buttoned-down and controlled ←
14:07:19 <Steven> Yam: What a mess! Hard to follow
(No events recorded for 5 minutes)
Toshihiko Yamakami: What a mess! Hard to follow ←
14:07:41 <Steven> Steven: Yes, there is a division between those who want it easy to implement and thos ewho want it easy to author
Steven Pemberton: Yes, there is a division between those who want it easy to implement and thos ewho want it easy to author ←
14:08:24 <Steven> ... and there seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding about the namespace spec
... and there seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding about the namespace spec ←
14:11:21 <ShaneM_> q
Shane McCarron: q ←
14:17:40 <Steven> Shane: We never say that our attributes are in the null namespace and the XHTML namespace
(No events recorded for 6 minutes)
Shane McCarron: We never say that our attributes are in the null namespace and the XHTML namespace ←
14:18:00 <Steven> Steven: We do! (Though not with the null namespace bit, which is part of the misunderstanding I was referring to)
Steven Pemberton: We do! (Though not with the null namespace bit, which is part of the misunderstanding I was referring to) ←
14:18:25 <Steven> ... in M12N we say that all common attributes can be used as global attributes, but not on our elemenets
... in M12N we say that all common attributes can be used as global attributes, but not on our elemenets ←
14:19:00 <Steven> Shane: Indeed, though we don't forbid them being imported chameleon-like into their namespace
Shane McCarron: Indeed, though we don't forbid them being imported chameleon-like into their namespace ←
14:19:09 <Steven> Steven: We don't indeed
Steven Pemberton: We don't indeed ←
14:19:48 <ShaneM_> XHTML2 working draft: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml2-20071024/mod-xforms.html#s_xformsmodule
Shane McCarron: XHTML2 working draft: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml2-20071024/mod-xforms.html#s_xformsmodule ←
14:21:36 <Steven> Shane: Is XForms in the same namespace as the other XHTML2 elements?
Shane McCarron: Is XForms in the same namespace as the other XHTML2 elements? ←
14:21:39 <Steven> Steven: That is the aim
Steven Pemberton: That is the aim ←
14:21:51 <Steven> ... but I am sure we will get pushback at last call
... but I am sure we will get pushback at last call ←
14:22:02 <Steven> ... it is a long-running discussion
... it is a long-running discussion ←
14:22:24 <ShaneM_> Current xml-events language in xhtml2 says: Note that these attributes are not in the XHTML namespace but in the XML Events namespace. The XHTML namespace is the default namespace for XHTML documents, so XHTML elements and attributes may be expressed without namespace prefixes (although they are permitted on elements). XML Events attributes MUST use a prefix, since they are not in the default namespace of the document.
Shane McCarron: Current xml-events language in xhtml2 says: Note that these attributes are not in the XHTML namespace but in the XML Events namespace. The XHTML namespace is the default namespace for XHTML documents, so XHTML elements and attributes may be expressed without namespace prefixes (although they are permitted on elements). XML Events attributes MUST use a prefix, since they are not in the default namespace of the document. ←
14:22:37 <Steven> Roland: We shouldn't require people to have to do all the namespace manipulation in the DOM, it is too hard
Roland Merrick: We shouldn't require people to have to do all the namespace manipulation in the DOM, it is too hard ←
14:23:43 <Steven> Roland: XML Events2 is a chance to move the markup into the XHTML namespace
Roland Merrick: XML Events2 is a chance to move the markup into the XHTML namespace ←
14:24:04 <Steven> ... especially since it introduces handlers
... especially since it introduces handlers ←
14:29:05 <ShaneM_> I have implemented "getElementsByAttr" and "getElementsByAttrNS" in a library, fwiw
(No events recorded for 5 minutes)
Shane McCarron: I have implemented "getElementsByAttr" and "getElementsByAttrNS" in a library, fwiw ←
14:29:52 <Steven> Roland: This is a big subject, and we should spend time at the FtF [ear-to-ear?] discussing it at length
Roland Merrick: This is a big subject, and we should spend time at the FtF [ear-to-ear?] discussing it at length ←
14:30:01 <ShaneM_> +1
Shane McCarron: +1 ←
14:30:25 <Steven> Topic: June FtF
14:30:41 <Roland> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2008-06-Minneapolis-FtF
Roland Merrick: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2008-06-Minneapolis-FtF ←
14:30:58 <Steven> Roland: I have updated the wiki page with times. Anyone looked?
Roland Merrick: I have updated the wiki page with times. Anyone looked? ←
14:31:01 <Steven> Steven: OK with me
Steven Pemberton: OK with me ←
14:31:05 <Steven> Shane: I'm OK
Shane McCarron: I'm OK ←
14:31:17 <Steven> Gregory: Me too
Gregory Rosmaita: Me too ←
14:31:39 <Steven> Roland: If it is a problem for you Yam we will try to arrange agenda topics to suit your availability
Roland Merrick: If it is a problem for you Yam we will try to arrange agenda topics to suit your availability ←
14:31:56 <Steven> ... 8:00-16:00 UTC
... 8:00-16:00 UTC ←
14:32:02 <Steven> Yam: Quite reasonable
Toshihiko Yamakami: Quite reasonable ←
14:32:09 <Steven> ROland: 4 90 minutes sessions
Roland Merrick: 4 90 minutes sessions ←
14:32:15 <Steven> s/RO/Ro/
14:32:18 <Steven> Yam: OK
Toshihiko Yamakami: OK ←
14:32:48 <Steven> Roland: We need to spend time on the finished last calls
Roland Merrick: We need to spend time on the finished last calls ←
14:32:59 <Steven> ... features and namespaces
... features and namespaces ←
14:33:10 <Steven> ... Please send requests for agenda items
... Please send requests for agenda items ←
14:33:30 <Steven> Topic: CURIE syntax
14:33:42 <Steven> Roland:Last call will be finished by the meeting
Roland Merrick: Last call will be finished by the meeting ←
14:33:51 <Steven> Topic: Access
14:34:00 <Steven> Roland: Now in last call
Roland Merrick: Now in last call ←
14:34:08 <Steven> ... Gregory, you still have an action item on that
... Gregory, you still have an action item on that ←
14:34:20 <Steven> Gregory: I'll review what it was
Gregory Rosmaita: I'll review what it was ←
14:35:54 <Steven> Yam: Is it in last call?
Toshihiko Yamakami: Is it in last call? ←
14:36:10 <Steven> Steven: Yes, apparently it was wrong to send the announcement a day early
Steven Pemberton: Yes, apparently it was wrong to send the announcement a day early ←
14:36:20 <Steven> Roland: Ian Jacobs sent the message on Monday
Roland Merrick: Ian Jacobs sent the message on Monday ←
14:36:31 <Steven> Shane: And it is on the W3C hopepage too
Shane McCarron: And it is on the W3C homepage too ←
14:36:38 <Steven> s/hope/home/
14:36:47 <Steven> Topic: M12N transition
14:36:53 <Steven> Roland: THat is this Friday
Roland Merrick: That is this Friday ←
14:36:59 <Steven> s/TH/Th/
14:41:15 <Steven> Steven: If we were to use the same exit criteria as V1, would we be OK with that?
Steven Pemberton: If we were to use the same exit criteria as V1, would we be OK with that? ←
14:41:26 <Steven> Roland: Well, I think it should be that way!
Roland Merrick: Well, I think it should be that way! ←
14:42:32 <Steven> Shane: I have several languages already, XHTML 1.1, XHTML Basic 1.1, XHTML 1.1+RDFa
Shane McCarron: I have several languages already, XHTML 1.1, XHTML Basic 1.1, XHTML 1.1+RDFa ←
14:42:41 <Steven> Steven: What about the legacy module?
Steven Pemberton: What about the legacy module? ←
14:42:56 <Steven> SHane: Mark uses it
Shane McCarron: Mark uses it ←
14:43:09 <Steven> Steven: Yay! Sidewinder is open source, so that is a public use
Steven Pemberton: Yay! Sidewinder is open source, so that is a public use ←
14:43:15 <Steven> s/SH/Sh/
14:43:28 <Steven> Topic: AOB
14:43:50 <Steven> ACTION: Shane to produce a draft implementation report for M12N
ACTION: Shane to produce a draft implementation report for M12N ←
14:44:33 <Zakim> -ShaneM
Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←
14:44:35 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: -Gregory_Rosmaita ←
14:44:35 <Zakim> -Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←
14:44:36 <Zakim> -Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roland ←
14:44:36 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended ←
14:44:37 <Zakim> Attendees were ShaneM, Roland, Steven, yamx, Gregory_Rosmaita
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were ShaneM, Roland, Steven, yamx, Gregory_Rosmaita ←
14:44:42 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to produce summary of M12N history in advance of transition call
ACTION: Steven to produce summary of M12N history in advance of transition call ←
14:45:01 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
[ADJOURN] ←
14:45:08 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
14:45:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/28-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/28-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
Formatted by CommonScribe