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14:46:57 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
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14:47:03 <Steven> zakim, this will be xhtml
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14:47:03 <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
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14:47:16 <Steven> Meeting: Weekly XHTML2 WG Teleconference
14:49:03 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0029
14:49:10 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0029
Steven Pemberton: Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0029 ←
14:49:31 <Steven> Chair: Roland
14:49:37 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
(Scribe set to Steven Pemberton)
14:50:02 <Steven> -> Previous http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-xhtml-minutes
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14:50:29 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-xhtml-minutes
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Unknown oedipus: http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-xhtml-minutes ←
14:50:56 <Steven> Yes, but the order of the -> command is what I can't remember
Yes, but the order of the -> command is what I can't remember ←
14:51:12 <Steven> Regrets: Yam, Tina
14:51:19 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:51:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/21-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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14:51:58 <Steven> Neither seem to have worked ;-)
Neither seem to have worked ;-) ←
14:52:03 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:52:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/21-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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14:59:30 <Zakim> +Roland
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14:59:42 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
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14:59:42 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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14:59:43 <Zakim> -Roland
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14:59:44 <Zakim> +Roland
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14:59:45 <Zakim> +Steven
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14:59:55 <Zakim> +ShaneM
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15:01:27 <oedipus> zakim, Gregory_Rosmiata is Gregory_Rosmaita
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Unknown oedipus: zakim, Gregory_Rosmiata is Gregory_Rosmaita ←
15:01:27 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita; got it
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15:02:49 <Zakim> +??P2
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15:03:23 <Steven> zakim, ??p2 is Rich
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15:03:23 <Zakim> +Rich; got it
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15:05:19 <Steven> Regrets+Alessio
Regrets+Alessio ←
15:07:44 <Steven> Topic: Reviews
15:08:00 <Steven> Roland: ITS Best Practices
Roland Merrick: ITS Best Practices ←
15:08:01 <Roland> ITS Best practices [Note new version]
Roland Merrick: ITS Best practices [Note new version] ←
15:08:30 <Steven> Shane: I reviewed it, and my general feeling is "it's fine" and thanks to them for doing what we asked (making a module)
Shane McCarron: I reviewed it, and my general feeling is "it's fine" and thanks to them for doing what we asked (making a module) ←
15:09:12 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
Mark Birbeck: zakim, code? ←
15:09:12 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
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15:09:16 <Steven> Steven: You had some remarks about ruby?
Steven Pemberton: You had some remarks about ruby? ←
15:09:41 <Zakim> +markbirbeck
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15:09:45 <Steven> Shane: The ruby spec doesn't mention a namespace
Shane McCarron: The ruby spec doesn't mention a namespace ←
15:10:02 <Steven> ... they see, to have added it to their namespace as well (as ours)
... they see, to have added it to their namespace as well (as ours) ←
15:10:46 <Steven> Steven: So there are two rubys
Steven Pemberton: So there are two rubys ←
15:10:57 <Steven> Shane: But that is in their spec, not this document
Shane McCarron: But that is in their spec, not this document ←
15:11:20 <Steven> Steven: So you don't think there are any comments to make?
Steven Pemberton: So you don't think there are any comments to make? ←
15:11:23 <Steven> Shane: No
Shane McCarron: No ←
15:11:55 <Steven> Roland: CSS Mobile
Roland Merrick: CSS Mobile ←
15:12:07 <Steven> ... who was reviewer?
... who was reviewer? ←
15:12:11 <Steven> Steven: Yam
Steven Pemberton: Yam ←
15:12:56 <Steven> ... I have a vague feeling that I shoould have been given an action last week to forward Yam's review
... I have a vague feeling that I shoould have been given an action last week to forward Yam's review ←
15:12:59 <Steven> ... I will
... I will ←
15:13:07 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to forward Yam's CSS review
ACTION: Steven to forward Yam's CSS review ←
15:13:18 <Steven> Topic: Call times
15:13:36 <Roland> This questionnaire is open from 2007-11-14 to 2007-11-21.
Roland Merrick: This questionnaire is open from 2007-11-14 to 2007-11-21. ←
15:13:42 <Steven> Roland: the deadline is today
Roland Merrick: the deadline is today ←
15:13:58 <Steven> Steven: So we can make a decision now
Steven Pemberton: So we can make a decision now ←
15:14:27 <Steven> ... looking at the results, the only time that has no "No" is Wednesday 14:00UTC
... looking at the results, the only time that has no "No" is Wednesday 14:00UTC ←
15:14:36 <Steven> Roland: Will we review this?
Roland Merrick: Will we review this? ←
15:15:41 <Steven> ... in the spring?
... in the spring? ←
15:16:15 <Steven> Steven: No need, becauser it only makes it easier for Japanese (it is puinned to Boston time, so it becomes 13:00UTC
Steven Pemberton: No need, because it only makes it easier for Japanese (it is pinned to Boston time, so it becomes 13:00UTC ←
15:16:24 <Steven> s/ser/se/
15:16:33 <Steven> s/puin/pin/
15:16:50 <Steven> Roland: Propose moving call time one hour earlier.
Roland Merrick: Propose moving call time one hour earlier. ←
15:16:58 <Steven> Roland: Objections?
Roland Merrick: Objections? ←
15:17:04 <Rich> no objection
Richard Schwerdtfeger: no objection ←
15:17:15 <oedipus> +1 from GJR
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Unknown oedipus: +1 from GJR ←
15:17:31 <Steven> RESOLVED: Call will be at 14:00 UTC forthwith
RESOLVED: Call will be at 14:00 UTC forthwith ←
15:17:42 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to change teleconference slot
ACTION: Steven to change teleconference slot ←
15:18:24 <Steven> Topic: Marking up assertions
15:18:34 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0024.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0024.html ←
15:18:52 <Steven> Roland: We need to do something about the presentation of assertions in current documents
Roland Merrick: We need to do something about the presentation of assertions in current documents ←
15:20:19 <Steven> Steven: I think we should make them prettier and document them at the beginning of each document
Steven Pemberton: I think we should make them prettier and document them at the beginning of each document ←
15:22:19 <Steven> Gregory: They are useful. I am currently investigating the best way to use CSS in these cases (to support assistive software). I will report later.
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Unknown Gregory: They are useful. I am currently investigating the best way to use CSS in these cases (to support assistive software). I will report later. ←
15:24:25 <Steven> Gregory: Many screen readers can't cope with things that are only different by color
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Unknown Gregory: Many screen readers can't cope with things that are only different by color ←
15:24:41 <Steven> Steven: And we don't use del and ins?
Steven Pemberton: And we don't use del and ins? ←
15:24:50 <Steven> Shane: No, because of validation problems
Shane McCarron: No, because of validation problems ←
15:25:37 <Rich> q+
15:25:52 <Steven> Roland: This is a semantics issue, not just styling
Roland Merrick: This is a semantics issue, not just styling ←
15:26:06 <Steven> ackk r
ackk r ←
15:26:09 <Steven> ack r
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15:26:19 <Steven> Rich: I agree strongly
Richard Schwerdtfeger: I agree strongly ←
15:26:56 <Steven> Gregory: Separating style and content doesn't guarantee accessibility
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Unknown Gregory: Separating style and content doesn't guarantee accessibility ←
15:27:42 <Roland> http://new.eic-community.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=441
Roland Merrick: http://new.eic-community.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=441 ←
15:28:03 <Steven> Roland: There are other groups doing similar things
Roland Merrick: There are other groups doing similar things ←
15:28:57 <Steven> ... that even include stronger constraints than schema, that can be automatically extracted
... that even include stronger constraints than schema, that can be automatically extracted ←
15:29:10 <Steven> Shane: How about role?
Shane McCarron: How about role? ←
15:29:15 <Steven> Steven: Or RDFa?
Steven Pemberton: Or RDFa? ←
15:29:22 <Steven> Roland: Good idea
Roland Merrick: Good idea ←
15:29:58 <Steven> Shane: Is there a subject and object?
Shane McCarron: Is there a subject and object? ←
15:30:18 <Steven> Roland: I think it can be done
Roland Merrick: I think it can be done ←
15:30:34 <Steven> Rich: In any case we need to map it to a framework for accessible software
Richard Schwerdtfeger: In any case we need to map it to a framework for accessible software ←
15:31:09 <ShaneM> @role could easily be used to annotate the assertions instead of @class, which is what I am doing today.
Shane McCarron: @role could easily be used to annotate the assertions instead of @class, which is what I am doing today. ←
15:31:14 <Steven> Gregory: Let's continue on list
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Unknown Gregory: Let's continue on list ←
15:31:24 <Steven> Topic: Future FtFs
15:33:07 <Steven> Roland: So we just need a host for the second FtF. THe rest is clear
Roland Merrick: So we just need a host for the second FtF. THe rest is clear ←
15:33:16 <Steven> 1. 18-20 Feb Venice Italy (Host Alessio)
1. 18-20 Feb Venice Italy (Host Alessio) ←
15:33:16 <Steven> 2. 16-18 June NE USA (such as NY or Boston, looking for a host)
2. 16-18 June NE USA (such as NY or Boston, looking for a host) ←
15:33:16 <Steven> 3. xx-yy October, France (TPAC 2008)
3. xx-yy October, France (TPAC 2008) ←
15:33:29 <Steven> Topic: Testing XHTML Basic 1.1
15:33:40 <Steven> Roland: No Yam, so we will postpone
Roland Merrick: No Yam, so we will postpone ←
15:33:54 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to tell Yam about test reports
ACTION: Steven to tell Yam about test reports ←
15:34:14 <Steven> Topic: Title issue (RDFa vs role)
15:34:14 <Steven> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xhtml2-issues/RoleAttrib?id=8023
http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xhtml2-issues/RoleAttrib?id=8023 ←
15:34:27 <Steven> Gregoty: I took it to PF
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Unknown Gregory: I took it to PF ←
15:34:32 <Steven> s/ty/ry/
15:34:53 <Steven> Gregory: and what came back was that PF is very interested in the DC usage
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Unknown Gregory: and what came back was that PF is very interested in the DC usage ←
15:35:17 <Steven> ... and RDFa syntax uses colonised attribute values
... and RDFa syntax uses colonised attribute values ←
15:35:24 <Steven> ... which is a risk wrt HTML56
... which is a risk wrt HTML5 ←
15:35:28 <Steven> s/56/5/
15:35:50 <Steven> Shane: I appreciate the basic issue
Shane McCarron: I appreciate the basic issue ←
15:36:28 <Steven> ... but what is the problem?
... but what is the problem? ←
15:36:41 <Steven> Steven: Thery asked for a value of @role for title
Steven Pemberton: Thery asked for a value of @role for title ←
15:36:51 <Steven> ... and we repled that RDFa supports that usage
... and we replied that RDFa supports that usage ←
15:36:58 <Steven> s/repled/replied/
15:37:14 <Steven> Steven: But role has colonised values too!
Steven Pemberton: But role has colonised values too! ←
15:37:22 <oedipus> [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2007OctDec/0194.html]
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Unknown oedipus: [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2007OctDec/0194.html] ←
15:39:38 <Steven> Steven: And I thought that the problem with HTML5 was colonised *attributes* not the values.
Steven Pemberton: And I thought that the problem with HTML5 was colonised *attributes* not the values. ←
15:40:27 <Steven> Rich: title isn't a section of a document surely?
Richard Schwerdtfeger: title isn't a section of a document surely? ←
15:40:42 <Steven> Steven: Quite, it is a property of some content
Steven Pemberton: Quite, it is a property of some content ←
15:41:25 <Steven> ... which is why property="dc:title" is better than role="title"
... which is why property="dc:title" is better than role="title" ←
15:42:02 <oedipus> RDFa Sufficient Post: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2007OctDec/0191.html
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Unknown oedipus: RDFa Sufficient Post: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2007OctDec/0191.html ←
15:42:08 <Steven> \Shane: I don't think property="dc:title" covers it
\Shane: I don't think property="dc:title" covers it ←
15:42:26 <Steven> Steven: Well, if you use an @about if it is not the title of the document, but a section
Steven Pemberton: Well, if you use an @about if it is not the title of the document, but a section ←
15:42:29 <Steven> Shane: Oh, ok
Shane McCarron: Oh, ok ←
15:42:59 <Steven> Gregory: I have asked them (PF) to explain more, and we'll see
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Unknown Gregory: I have asked them (PF) to explain more, and we'll see ←
15:43:23 <Steven> Rich: Let's hold off until PF meets (later today)
Richard Schwerdtfeger: Let's hold off until PF meets (later today) ←
15:43:40 <Steven> Roland: So this is in progress, and we don't have to do anything more yet
Roland Merrick: So this is in progress, and we don't have to do anything more yet ←
15:44:01 <Steven> Topic: TAG role comment (continued from last week)
15:44:01 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0013
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Nov/0013 ←
15:44:23 <oedipus> GJR notes that "title" and RDFa is on the agenda for the 21 november 2007 PF telecon
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Unknown oedipus: GJR notes that "title" and RDFa is on the agenda for the 21 november 2007 PF telecon ←
15:45:33 <Steven> Shane: They replied to my informal reply http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007OctDec/0025.html
Shane McCarron: They replied to my informal reply http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007OctDec/0025.html ←
15:46:00 <Steven> ... the comment is not actually on the role spec, so I don't think we need to treat it as a LC comment
... the comment is not actually on the role spec, so I don't think we need to treat it as a LC comment ←
15:46:25 <Steven> ... it is about CURIES in the context where a URI ref might be used
... it is about CURIES in the context where a URI ref might be used ←
15:46:33 <oedipus> TAG tracker issue cited in TAG comments: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/56
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Unknown oedipus: TAG tracker issue cited in TAG comments: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/56 ←
15:47:00 <Steven> Shane: my epiphany yesterday is that the URI aspect of CURIEs is not interesting to me. I dont care that I can express a compact URI (e.g. in @resource or @about)
Shane McCarron: my epiphany yesterday is that the URI aspect of CURIEs is not interesting to me. I dont care that I can express a compact URI (e.g. in @resource or @about) ←
15:47:03 <oedipus> larger TAG issue: "Do the expected benefits of CURIEs outweigh the potential costs in introducing a third syntax for identifiers into the languages of the Web?"
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Unknown oedipus: larger TAG issue: "Do the expected benefits of CURIEs outweigh the potential costs in introducing a third syntax for identifiers into the languages of the Web?" ←
15:47:23 <Steven> Mark: Do we need to make a formal response?
Mark Birbeck: Do we need to make a formal response? ←
15:47:36 <Steven> Shane: Yes, it is framed as a LC comment
Shane McCarron: Yes, it is framed as a LC comment ←
15:47:46 <Steven> Mark: But there is not a lot of substance to their comment
Mark Birbeck: But there is not a lot of substance to their comment ←
15:48:26 <oedipus> TAG issue is named: "Abbreviating URIs in Web Languages"
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Unknown oedipus: TAG issue is named: "Abbreviating URIs in Web Languages" ←
15:48:39 <Steven> Shane: in the role document CURIEs are not used in URI contexts, so their comment doesn't count
Shane McCarron: in the role document CURIEs are not used in URI contexts, so their comment doesn't count ←
15:50:56 <Steven> Steven: [argument about how IRIs do this already]
Steven Pemberton: [argument about how IRIs do this already] ←
15:51:27 <Steven> Shane: A fine argument, but we don't need to use it
Shane McCarron: A fine argument, but we don't need to use it ←
15:51:43 <Steven> ... we don't use CURIEs in such positions anyway
... we don't use CURIEs in such positions anyway ←
15:52:45 <ShaneM> they did request: The TAG requests language to the following effect be included in the normative specification of CURIEs.
Shane McCarron: they did request: The TAG requests language to the following effect be included in the normative specification of CURIEs. ←
15:52:45 <ShaneM>
15:52:45 <ShaneM> "CURIEs, including safe_curies, MUST NOT be used in attribute or element
Shane McCarron: "CURIEs, including safe_curies, MUST NOT be used in attribute or element ←
15:52:45 <ShaneM> content where URI content is specified in the relevant language
Shane McCarron: content where URI content is specified in the relevant language ←
15:52:45 <ShaneM> specification."
Shane McCarron: specification." ←
15:52:56 <Steven> Mark: I don't think we need to consider their argument at all, since it is just not clear enough
Mark Birbeck: I don't think we need to consider their argument at all, since it is just not clear enough ←
15:53:22 <Steven> Shane: I think we should react to that for the role spec
Shane McCarron: I think we should react to that for the role spec ←
15:53:35 <Steven> ... but put off the wider issue until the CURIE spec
... but put off the wider issue until the CURIE spec ←
15:55:43 <Steven> Steven: Can't we just say "Thanks, this is what we do in role already"
Steven Pemberton: Can't we just say "Thanks, this is what we do in role already" ←
15:55:59 <Steven> Shane: We don't want to piss of the TAG
Shane McCarron: We don't want to piss off the TAG ←
15:56:28 <Steven> s/of/off/
15:57:14 <Steven> Roland: So how do we reply?
Roland Merrick: So how do we reply? ←
15:59:57 <Steven> RESOLUTION: Reply to TAG that we don't use CURIEs in URI context in the role module
RESOLVED: Reply to TAG that we don't use CURIEs in URI context in the role module ←
16:00:20 <Steven> ACTION: Reply to TAG about CURIEs in role
ACTION: Reply to TAG about CURIEs in role ←
16:00:59 <Steven> Roland: They can respond on CURIEs when that spec is published
Roland Merrick: They can respond on CURIEs when that spec is published ←
16:01:13 <ShaneM> publication of the updated CURIE spec is imminent
Shane McCarron: publication of the updated CURIE spec is imminent ←
16:01:18 <Steven> [ADJOURNED]
[ADJOURNED] ←
16:01:33 <Zakim> -ShaneM
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16:01:35 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
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16:01:37 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
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Zakim IRC Bot: -Gregory_Rosmaita ←
16:01:39 <Zakim> -Roland
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roland ←
16:01:44 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
zakim, who is here? ←
16:01:47 <Zakim> -Rich
Zakim IRC Bot: -Rich ←
16:02:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Steven ←
16:02:17 <Zakim> -Steven
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16:02:19 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended
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16:02:27 <Zakim> Attendees were Roland, Steven, ShaneM, Gregory_Rosmaita, Rich, markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Roland, Steven, ShaneM, Gregory_Rosmaita, Rich, markbirbeck ←
16:02:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see markbirbeck, Rich, ShaneM, Nick, Roland, oedipus, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, myakura, Lachy, krijnh
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see markbirbeck, Rich, ShaneM, Nick, Roland, oedipus, RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, myakura, Lachy, krijnh ←
16:03:11 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
rrsagent, make minutes ←
16:03:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/21-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/21-xhtml-minutes.html Steven ←
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