Meeting Record

Weekly XHTML2 WG teleconference

Minutes of 13 June 2007

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jun/0008
Seen: Alessio Cartocci, Mark Birbeck, Shane McCarron, Steven Pemberton, Tina Holmboe, Toshihiko Yamakami, Unknown Gregory_Rosmiata, Unknown oedipus
Regrets: Toshihiko Yamakami
Chair: Shane McCarron
IRC Log: Original
Resolutions: None.
Topics

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13:57:14 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-xhtml-irc

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13:57:22 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public

Steven Pemberton: rrsagent, make log public ←

13:57:37 <Steven> zakim, this will be html

Steven Pemberton: zakim, this will be html ←

13:57:37 <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes ←

13:57:54 <Steven> Meeting: Weekly XHTML2 WG teleconference

13:58:09 <Steven> zakim, code?

Steven Pemberton: zakim, code? ←

13:58:09 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Steven ←

13:58:39 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has now started

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13:58:47 <Zakim> + +1.763.767.aaaa

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13:58:48 <Steven> SOrry, I'm at a Forms FtF and not able to join by phone

Steven Pemberton: SOrry, I'm at a Forms FtF and not able to join by phone ←

13:58:59 <ShaneM>  zakim, aaaa is ShaneM

Shane McCarron: zakim, aaaa is ShaneM ←

13:58:59 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM; got it ←

13:59:04 <Steven> Hmm

Steven Pemberton: Hmm ←

13:59:12 <Steven> I don't think Mark is joining by phone either

Steven Pemberton: I don't think Mark is joining by phone either ←

13:59:16 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmiata

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13:59:20 <Zakim> -ShaneM

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13:59:21 <Zakim> +ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: +ShaneM ←

13:59:33 <ShaneM>  we might want to take a week off...

Shane McCarron: we might want to take a week off... ←

13:59:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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14:00:05 <alessio> zakim, IPcaller is alessio

Alessio Cartocci: zakim, IPcaller is alessio ←

14:00:05 <Zakim> +alessio; got it

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14:02:22 <oedipus> reviewed latest draft of RFDa - excellent - should be required reading for the HTML WG!

Scribe problem: the name 'oedipus' does not match any of the 17 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alessio Cartocci Alexander Graf Elias Torres John Kugelman Luca Mascaro Mark Birbeck Michael Rawling Richard Schwerdtfeger Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Shane McCarron Steven Pemberton Susan Borgrink Tina Holmboe Toshihiko Yamakami Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown oedipus: reviewed latest draft of RFDa - excellent - should be required reading for the HTML WG! ←

14:02:32 <ShaneM>  rotfl

Shane McCarron: rotfl ←

14:03:18 <Zakim> +[IBM]

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14:04:02 <Steven> Thanks Oedipus

Steven Pemberton: Thanks Oedipus ←

14:04:09 <Steven> zakim, who is here?

Steven Pemberton: zakim, who is here? ←

14:04:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see ShaneM, Gregory_Rosmiata, alessio, [IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ShaneM, Gregory_Rosmiata, alessio, [IBM] ←

14:04:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see Rich, oedipus, RRSAgent, Zakim, alessio, Tina, markbirbeck, Steven, krijnh, ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Rich, oedipus, RRSAgent, Zakim, alessio, Tina, markbirbeck, Steven, krijnh, ShaneM ←

14:04:19 <oedipus> s/RFD w/RDF

Unknown oedipus: s/RFD w/RDF (warning: replacement failed) ←

14:05:01 <ShaneM>  regrets from Yam.  Partial regrets from Tina, Mark, and Steven

Shane McCarron: regrets from Yam. Partial regrets from Tina, Mark, and Steven ←

14:05:11 <markbirbeck> Hi everyone...I'm Skyped into the XForms FtF, so can't attend.

Mark Birbeck: Hi everyone...I'm Skyped into the XForms FtF, so can't attend. ←

14:05:20 <markbirbeck> I regret nothing.

Mark Birbeck: I regret nothing. ←

14:05:26 <alessio> hi mark

Alessio Cartocci: hi mark ←

14:05:32 <markbirbeck> hi

Mark Birbeck: hi ←

14:05:42 <markbirbeck> (Not even partially.)

Mark Birbeck: (Not even partially.) ←

14:05:52 <ShaneM>  TOPIC: Role modules

Shane McCarron: TOPIC: Role modules ←

14:06:58 <ShaneM>  Oops...

Shane McCarron: Oops... ←

14:07:02 <ShaneM>  TOPIC: RDFa Oveview

Shane McCarron: TOPIC: RDFa Oveview ←

14:07:05 <ShaneM>  Gregory likes it

Shane McCarron: Gregory likes it ←

14:07:29 <ShaneM>  Shane wants it in the XHTML 2 Working group publication system.

Shane McCarron: Shane wants it in the XHTML 2 Working group publication system. ←

14:08:08 <oedipus> gregory would like to be able to point to it as required reading on HTML WG wiki

Unknown oedipus: gregory would like to be able to point to it as required reading on HTML WG wiki ←

14:08:55 <ShaneM>  TOPIC: Access Module

Shane McCarron: TOPIC: Access Module ←

14:09:22 <Steven> I will talk to Ben about his position in integrating it into our system

Steven Pemberton: I will talk to Ben about his position in integrating it into our system ←

14:09:29 <Steven> he is one of the editors, and it is in XML Spec

Steven Pemberton: he is one of the editors, and it is in XML Spec ←

14:09:32 <ShaneM>  Rich wants to know if we should add an attribute to access that defines the event to be triggered... where the default would be focus

Shane McCarron: Rich wants to know if we should add an attribute to access that defines the event to be triggered... where the default would be focus ←

14:09:35 <Steven> so it would mena a change for him

Steven Pemberton: so it would mena a change for him ←

14:11:10 <ShaneM>  Gregory points out issues with accessibility and event triggering....

Shane McCarron: Gregory points out issues with accessibility and event triggering.... ←

14:13:22 <ShaneM>  Shane mentioned that we tend to avoid talking about processing model at this level.  But thinks it is a good idea.

Shane McCarron: Shane mentioned that we tend to avoid talking about processing model at this level. But thinks it is a good idea. ←

14:14:38 <ShaneM>  Shane asks if Gregory has a concrete proposal?  Not quite yet.  It is a question of bidirectionality of the event model.

Shane McCarron: Shane asks if Gregory has a concrete proposal? Not quite yet. It is a question of bidirectionality of the event model. ←

14:16:02 <ShaneM>  Need a way to support enqueueing an event that may percolate into the operating system backplane, as opposed to only working in the context of the application.

Shane McCarron: Need a way to support enqueueing an event that may percolate into the operating system backplane, as opposed to only working in the context of the application. ←

14:17:22 <ShaneM>  webbie.org.uk has a suite of tools that are accessible; might be a good example to look at?

Shane McCarron: webbie.org.uk has a suite of tools that are accessible; might be a good example to look at? ←

14:20:21 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Gregory to put together a proposal for how to connect the access module into the event model.

Shane McCarron: ACTION: Gregory to put together a proposal for how to connect the access module into the event model. ←

14:21:46 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Shane to investigate a wiki space for XHTML 2 working group

Shane McCarron: ACTION: Shane to investigate a wiki space for XHTML 2 working group ←

14:23:38 <oedipus> latest version of Embedding State and Properties Roles in HTML: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/adaptable/HTML4/

Unknown oedipus: latest version of Embedding State and Properties Roles in HTML: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/adaptable/HTML4/ ←

14:24:01 <oedipus> editor's latest draft of Embedding State and Properties: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/adaptable/HTML4/embedding-20061212.html

Unknown oedipus: editor's latest draft of Embedding State and Properties: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/adaptable/HTML4/embedding-20061212.html ←

14:25:59 <ShaneM>  TOPIC: Access Module

Shane McCarron: TOPIC: Access Module ←

14:26:25 <ShaneM>  (still)

Shane McCarron: (still) ←

14:26:35 <ShaneM>  Rich would like to have XML Events tied to it.  I think that is icing on the cake.

Shane McCarron: Rich would like to have XML Events tied to it. I think that is icing on the cake. ←

14:26:50 <ShaneM>  Default is to give something focus.  Do we want to have the option of activating the target.

Shane McCarron: Default is to give something focus. Do we want to have the option of activating the target. ←

14:27:51 <ShaneM>  Originally the model was if you want to do that you would use an xml events attribute to indicate that.  Since we are not requiring

Shane McCarron: Originally the model was if you want to do that you would use an xml events attribute to indicate that. Since we are not requiring ←

14:27:52 <ShaneM>  http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml-access-20070606/

Shane McCarron: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml-access-20070606/ ←

14:29:42 <Zakim> -alessio

Zakim IRC Bot: -alessio ←

14:30:06 <ShaneM>  Rich asked if there was a way to describe the element.  @title seems to be the way.

Shane McCarron: Rich asked if there was a way to describe the element. @title seems to be the way. ←

14:30:36 <alessio> i agree

Alessio Cartocci: i agree ←

14:31:05 <Zakim> +??P3

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14:31:18 <alessio> zakim, ??P3 is alessio

Alessio Cartocci: zakim, ??P3 is alessio ←

14:31:18 <Zakim> +alessio; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +alessio; got it ←

14:31:19 <ShaneM>  Shane thinks we should be able to fire any event when an accessor is selected.

Shane McCarron: Shane thinks we should be able to fire any event when an accessor is selected. ←

14:33:48 <ShaneM>  HTML4 problem is that we dont know what the key was going to do at all.

Shane McCarron: HTML4 problem is that we dont know what the key was going to do at all. ←

14:34:57 <ShaneM>  Sometimes a document author wants to create an accelerator....

Shane McCarron: Sometimes a document author wants to create an accelerator.... ←

14:35:08 <ShaneM>  Sometimes this stuff is really about enabling assistive technologies.

Shane McCarron: Sometimes this stuff is really about enabling assistive technologies. ←

14:35:32 <ShaneM>  What we say now is: The Character assigned to a key, and its relationship to a role or id attribute, are a suggestion of the author. User agents may provide mechanisms for overriding, disabling, or re-assigning keys. In such user agents, user-specified assignments must take precendence.

Shane McCarron: What we say now is: The Character assigned to a key, and its relationship to a role or id attribute, are a suggestion of the author. User agents may provide mechanisms for overriding, disabling, or re-assigning keys. In such user agents, user-specified assignments must take precendence. ←

14:36:03 <ShaneM>  We probably want to say something similar about what event fires.

Shane McCarron: We probably want to say something similar about what event fires. ←

14:37:00 <ShaneM>  We need to look at the list of potential events...

Shane McCarron: We need to look at the list of potential events... ←

14:38:28 <ShaneM>  Agreed that we are going to allow the firing of essentially any DOM event.  Some may not make sense.

Shane McCarron: Agreed that we are going to allow the firing of essentially any DOM event. Some may not make sense. ←

14:43:19 <ShaneM>  Need some concept of "hang fire" so that the user agent can suspend and offer options to the user.

Shane McCarron: Need some concept of "hang fire" so that the user agent can suspend and offer options to the user. ←

14:44:32 <ShaneM>  Is there a way to introduce / permit the document author or AT to specify an intermediary step.

Shane McCarron: Is there a way to introduce / permit the document author or AT to specify an intermediary step. ←

14:44:39 <ShaneM>  Rich points out that xml events deals with this.

Shane McCarron: Rich points out that xml events deals with this. ←

14:45:10 <ShaneM>  requiring xml events will impede adoption.

Shane McCarron: requiring xml events will impede adoption. ←

14:45:38 <Tina> Can XML's method of dealing with it be used directly?

Tina Holmboe: Can XML's method of dealing with it be used directly? ←

14:46:15 <ShaneM>  Rich would like to put a shortcut in there...  the same way we have done for a keybinding.

Shane McCarron: Rich would like to put a shortcut in there... the same way we have done for a keybinding. ←

14:47:42 <ShaneM>  Shane proposes that we call the attribute "raise".  Or "trigger"

Shane McCarron: Shane proposes that we call the attribute "raise". Or "trigger" ←

14:47:54 <ShaneM>  Only include the discrete events that do not require coordinates...

Shane McCarron: Only include the discrete events that do not require coordinates... ←

14:48:28 <ShaneM>  If you really want to have full support, use XML Events.  say that in the spec.

Shane McCarron: If you really want to have full support, use XML Events. say that in the spec. ←

14:48:35 <ShaneM>  No objections.

Shane McCarron: No objections. ←

14:48:44 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Shane to update access module draft to include new attribute and text.

Shane McCarron: ACTION: Shane to update access module draft to include new attribute and text. ←

14:49:10 <ShaneM>  TOPIC: Role Attribute Modules

Shane McCarron: TOPIC: Role Attribute Modules ←

14:49:17 <ShaneM>  Rich sent in comments.  No one else has.

Shane McCarron: Rich sent in comments. No one else has. ←

14:49:25 <ShaneM>  Everyone was very quiet - it must be perfect.

Shane McCarron: Everyone was very quiet - it must be perfect. ←

14:50:11 <ShaneM>  Out of things to discuss without Mark and Steven...

Shane McCarron: Out of things to discuss without Mark and Steven... ←

14:50:23 <oedipus> like the fact that the example in section 3 uses accessibility markup!

Unknown oedipus: like the fact that the example in section 3 uses accessibility markup! ←

14:50:40 <ShaneM>  ACTION: Vote on last call for Role and Access next week.

Shane McCarron: ACTION: Vote on last call for Role and Access next week. ←

14:50:57 <Zakim> -ShaneM

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14:51:01 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmiata

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14:51:02 <Zakim> -[IBM]

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14:51:03 <Zakim> -alessio

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14:51:05 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has ended

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14:51:07 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.763.767.aaaa, ShaneM, Gregory_Rosmiata, alessio, [IBM]

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14:51:11 <ShaneM>  rrsagent, make minutes

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14:51:19 <oedipus> quit

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14:52:23 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes

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14:52:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

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19:59:37 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-xhtml-irc

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19:59:44 <Steven> Chair: Shane

19:59:51 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes

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19:59:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

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20:00:33 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jun/0008

20:00:38 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes

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20:00:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

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20:01:27 <Steven> Present+Steven

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20:01:30 <Steven> Present+Mark

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20:01:36 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes

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20:01:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

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20:01:56 <Steven> regrets: Yam

20:02:01 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes

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20:02:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/13-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

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20:02:41 <Steven> present+Tina

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20:02:45 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes

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