IRC log of xhtml on 2007-06-13

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13:57:22 [Steven]
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zakim, this will be html
13:57:37 [Zakim]
ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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Meeting: Weekly XHTML2 WG teleconference
13:58:09 [Steven]
zakim, code?
13:58:09 [Zakim]
the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Steven
13:58:39 [Zakim]
IA_XHTML2()10:00AM has now started
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+ +1.763.767.aaaa
13:58:48 [Steven]
SOrry, I'm at a Forms FtF and not able to join by phone
13:58:59 [ShaneM]
zakim, aaaa is ShaneM
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+ShaneM; got it
13:59:04 [Steven]
Hmm
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I don't think Mark is joining by phone either
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+Gregory_Rosmiata
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-ShaneM
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+ShaneM
13:59:33 [ShaneM]
we might want to take a week off...
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+[IPcaller]
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zakim, IPcaller is alessio
14:00:05 [Zakim]
+alessio; got it
14:00:14 [Rich]
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14:02:22 [oedipus]
reviewed latest draft of RFDa - excellent - should be required reading for the HTML WG!
14:02:32 [ShaneM]
rotfl
14:03:18 [Zakim]
+[IBM]
14:04:02 [Steven]
Thanks Oedipus
14:04:09 [Steven]
zakim, who is here?
14:04:09 [Zakim]
On the phone I see ShaneM, Gregory_Rosmiata, alessio, [IBM]
14:04:10 [Zakim]
On IRC I see Rich, oedipus, RRSAgent, Zakim, alessio, Tina, markbirbeck, Steven, krijnh, ShaneM
14:04:19 [oedipus]
s/RFD w/RDF
14:05:01 [ShaneM]
regrets from Yam. Partial regrets from Tina, Mark, and Steven
14:05:11 [markbirbeck]
Hi everyone...I'm Skyped into the XForms FtF, so can't attend.
14:05:20 [markbirbeck]
I regret nothing.
14:05:26 [alessio]
hi mark
14:05:32 [markbirbeck]
hi
14:05:42 [markbirbeck]
(Not even partially.)
14:05:52 [ShaneM]
TOPIC: Role modules
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Oops...
14:07:02 [ShaneM]
TOPIC: RDFa Oveview
14:07:05 [ShaneM]
Gregory likes it
14:07:29 [ShaneM]
Shane wants it in the XHTML 2 Working group publication system.
14:08:08 [oedipus]
gregory would like to be able to point to it as required reading on HTML WG wiki
14:08:55 [ShaneM]
TOPIC: Access Module
14:09:22 [Steven]
I will talk to Ben about his position in integrating it into our system
14:09:29 [Steven]
he is one of the editors, and it is in XML Spec
14:09:32 [ShaneM]
Rich wants to know if we should add an attribute to access that defines the event to be triggered... where the default would be focus
14:09:35 [Steven]
so it would mena a change for him
14:11:10 [ShaneM]
Gregory points out issues with accessibility and event triggering....
14:13:22 [ShaneM]
Shane mentioned that we tend to avoid talking about processing model at this level. But thinks it is a good idea.
14:14:38 [ShaneM]
Shane asks if Gregory has a concrete proposal? Not quite yet. It is a question of bidirectionality of the event model.
14:16:02 [ShaneM]
Need a way to support enqueueing an event that may percolate into the operating system backplane, as opposed to only working in the context of the application.
14:17:22 [ShaneM]
webbie.org.uk has a suite of tools that are accessible; might be a good example to look at?
14:20:21 [ShaneM]
ACTION: Gregory to put together a proposal for how to connect the access module into the event model.
14:21:46 [ShaneM]
ACTION: Shane to investigate a wiki space for XHTML 2 working group
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latest version of Embedding State and Properties Roles in HTML: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/adaptable/HTML4/
14:24:01 [oedipus]
editor's latest draft of Embedding State and Properties: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/adaptable/HTML4/embedding-20061212.html
14:25:59 [ShaneM]
TOPIC: Access Module
14:26:25 [ShaneM]
(still)
14:26:35 [ShaneM]
Rich would like to have XML Events tied to it. I think that is icing on the cake.
14:26:50 [ShaneM]
Default is to give something focus. Do we want to have the option of activating the target.
14:27:51 [ShaneM]
Originally the model was if you want to do that you would use an xml events attribute to indicate that. Since we are not requiring
14:27:52 [ShaneM]
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml-access-20070606/
14:29:42 [Zakim]
-alessio
14:30:06 [ShaneM]
Rich asked if there was a way to describe the element. @title seems to be the way.
14:30:36 [alessio]
i agree
14:31:05 [Zakim]
+??P3
14:31:18 [alessio]
zakim, ??P3 is alessio
14:31:18 [Zakim]
+alessio; got it
14:31:19 [ShaneM]
Shane thinks we should be able to fire any event when an accessor is selected.
14:33:48 [ShaneM]
HTML4 problem is that we dont know what the key was going to do at all.
14:34:57 [ShaneM]
Sometimes a document author wants to create an accelerator....
14:35:08 [ShaneM]
Sometimes this stuff is really about enabling assistive technologies.
14:35:32 [ShaneM]
What we say now is: The Character assigned to a key, and its relationship to a role or id attribute, are a suggestion of the author. User agents may provide mechanisms for overriding, disabling, or re-assigning keys. In such user agents, user-specified assignments must take precendence.
14:36:03 [ShaneM]
We probably want to say something similar about what event fires.
14:37:00 [ShaneM]
We need to look at the list of potential events...
14:38:28 [ShaneM]
Agreed that we are going to allow the firing of essentially any DOM event. Some may not make sense.
14:43:19 [ShaneM]
Need some concept of "hang fire" so that the user agent can suspend and offer options to the user.
14:44:32 [ShaneM]
Is there a way to introduce / permit the document author or AT to specify an intermediary step.
14:44:39 [ShaneM]
Rich points out that xml events deals with this.
14:45:10 [ShaneM]
requiring xml events will impede adoption.
14:45:38 [Tina]
Can XML's method of dealing with it be used directly?
14:46:15 [ShaneM]
Rich would like to put a shortcut in there... the same way we have done for a keybinding.
14:47:42 [ShaneM]
Shane proposes that we call the attribute "raise". Or "trigger"
14:47:54 [ShaneM]
Only include the discrete events that do not require coordinates...
14:48:28 [ShaneM]
If you really want to have full support, use XML Events. say that in the spec.
14:48:35 [ShaneM]
No objections.
14:48:44 [ShaneM]
ACTION: Shane to update access module draft to include new attribute and text.
14:49:10 [ShaneM]
TOPIC: Role Attribute Modules
14:49:17 [ShaneM]
Rich sent in comments. No one else has.
14:49:25 [ShaneM]
Everyone was very quiet - it must be perfect.
14:50:11 [ShaneM]
Out of things to discuss without Mark and Steven...
14:50:23 [oedipus]
like the fact that the example in section 3 uses accessibility markup!
14:50:40 [ShaneM]
ACTION: Vote on last call for Role and Access next week.
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-ShaneM
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-Gregory_Rosmiata
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-[IBM]
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-alessio
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Attendees were +1.763.767.aaaa, ShaneM, Gregory_Rosmiata, alessio, [IBM]
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quit
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Chair: Shane
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jun/0008
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regrets: Yam
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