Meeting Record

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RDF-in-XHTML Task Force

Minutes of 21 August 2008

Agenda

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Aug/0092.html

Seen

Unknown JeremyCarroll, Unknown Jeremy, Unknown Ralph, Unknown RalphS, Unknown ShaneM, Unknown Steven, Unknown msporny

Regrets

Unknown Ben, Unknown Mark, Unknown Michael

Chair

Unknown Manu

Scribe

Unknown ralphs, Unknown ralph, Unknown msporny

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

None.

Topics

Action Review
SWD WG telecon
SWD call
Outreach
Implementation tools
Documentation on Wiki

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14:48:22 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-irc

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14:48:28 <RalphS> Meeting: RDF-in-XHTML Task Force

14:48:55 <RalphS> ->  previous 2008-08-14 http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html

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14:49:00 <RalphS> rrsagent, please make record public

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14:49:09 <msporny> zakim, who is on the call?

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Unknown msporny: zakim, who is on the call? ←

14:49:09 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has not yet started, msporny

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14:49:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see msporny, RRSAgent, Steven, Zakim, RalphS

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14:49:17 <RalphS> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Aug/0092.html

14:49:32 <RalphS> regrets: Ben, Mark, Michael

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14:49:36 <msporny> :)

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created using i/We can do a/scribenick: ralphs

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14:50:22 <msporny> We can do a quick call if there is not enough critical mass - I'm curious as to what happens next in the PR process and when the W3C will publish the /final/ RDFa Syntax document.

Unknown msporny: We can do a quick call if there is not enough critical mass - I'm curious as to what happens next in the PR process and when the W3C will publish the /final/ RDFa Syntax document. ←

14:50:46 <RalphS> fine with me

Unknown RalphS: fine with me ←

14:51:52 <RalphS> [closing issue-125; commenter's response is in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Aug/0094.html ]

Unknown RalphS: [closing ISSUE-125; commenter's response is in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Aug/0094.html ] ←

14:55:26 <RalphS> scribe: ralph

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14:56:50 <RalphS> chair: Manu

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14:56:51 <msporny> heh :)

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14:58:10 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started

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14:58:14 <Zakim> +Ralph

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14:59:23 <msporny> zakim, I am ??P27

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14:59:23 <Zakim> +msporny; got it

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15:00:12 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

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15:00:13 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

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15:00:13 <Zakim> +Steven

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15:00:33 <Zakim> +McCarron

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15:00:38 <Steven> zakim, drop steven

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15:00:38 <Zakim> Steven is being disconnected

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15:00:39 <Zakim> -Steven

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15:00:54 <ShaneM> zakim, McCarron is ShaneM

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15:00:54 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it

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15:01:13 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617

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15:01:14 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made

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15:01:14 <Zakim> +Steven

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15:02:31 <Zakim> +??P35

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15:02:52 <RalphS> zakim, ??p35 is Jeremy

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15:03:08 <RalphS> Topic: Action Review

1. Action Review

15:03:23 <RalphS> ACTION: Ben and Manu to test implementations on step 9 (no child nodes with @property) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action23]

ACTION: Ben and Manu to test implementations on step 9 (no child nodes with @property) [recorded in ACTION-23]">http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-23] ←

15:03:39 <RalphS> Manu: testing that plain literal empty string is generated when there are no child nodes

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Unknown Manu: testing that plain literal empty string is generated when there are no child nodes [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:03:48 <RalphS> ... Ben and Shane's implementation worked, mine was buggy

Unknown RalphS: ... Ben and Shane's implementation worked, mine was buggy ←

15:03:53 <RalphS> -- done

Unknown RalphS: -- done ←

15:04:30 <RalphS> ACTION: Manu write a pending test case for literal property and no child nodes

ACTION: Manu write a pending test case for literal property and no child nodes ←

15:05:11 <RalphS> ACTION: Ralph prepare to summarize new W3C test suite license on 28 Aug

ACTION: Ralph prepare to summarize new W3C test suite license on 28 Aug ←

15:05:35 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to update Test Suite Manifest to correct tests 52 and 53 descriptions. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action02]

Unknown RalphS: [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to update Test Suite Manifest to correct tests 52 and 53 descriptions. [recorded in ACTION-02]">http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-02] ←

15:05:44 <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: Ralph to send note to Alan regarding ISSUE-122 resolution [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action24]

Unknown RalphS: [DONE] ACTION: Ralph to send note to Alan regarding ISSUE-122 resolution [recorded in ACTION-24]">http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-24] ←

15:05:54 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Aug/0092.html response to Alan

Unknown RalphS: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Aug/0092.html response to Alan ←

15:06:08 <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: Shane to respond to ISSUE-125 on mailing list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action25]

Unknown RalphS: [DONE] ACTION: Shane to respond to ISSUE-125 on mailing list [recorded in ACTION-25]">http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-25] ←

15:06:21 <RalphS> -> @@ response

Unknown RalphS: -> @@ response ←

15:06:30 <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: Ben to contact Ed and Diego about new editors drafts coming down the pipe. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

Unknown RalphS: [DONE] ACTION: Ben to contact Ed and Diego about new editors drafts coming down the pipe. [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←

15:06:49 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Jeremy to demonstrate GRDDL with XHTML/RDFa once the NS URI is set up. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]

Unknown RalphS: [PENDING] ACTION: Jeremy to demonstrate GRDDL with XHTML/RDFa once the NS URI is set up. [recorded in ACTION-07]">http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-07] ←

15:06:58 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Manu to create test cases for testing relative URI resolution (href/CURIEs/etc). [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action22]

Unknown RalphS: [PENDING] ACTION: Manu to create test cases for testing relative URI resolution (href/CURIEs/etc). [recorded in ACTION-22]">http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-22] ←

15:07:08 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action03]

Unknown RalphS: [PENDING] ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot [recorded in ACTION-03]">http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-03] ←

15:07:18 <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: Manu: Start Best Practices Section on the rdfa.info wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-rdfa-minutes.html#action16]

Unknown RalphS: [DONE] ACTION: Manu: Start Best Practices Section on the rdfa.info wiki [recorded in ACTION-16]">http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-16] ←

15:07:37 <RalphS> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Aug/0093.html RDFa Best Practices (on wiki)

Unknown RalphS: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Aug/0093.html RDFa Best Practices (on wiki) ←

15:07:49 <RalphS> [Manu 2008-08-21]

Unknown RalphS: [Manu 2008-08-21] ←

15:08:00 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

Unknown RalphS: [PENDING] ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←

15:08:09 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]

Unknown RalphS: [PENDING] ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in ACTION-07]">http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-07] ←

15:08:20 <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: Michael to complete implementation report and send out notification to all working groups. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action20]

Unknown RalphS: [DONE] ACTION: Michael to complete implementation report and send out notification to all working groups. [recorded in ACTION-20]">http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-20] ←

15:08:30 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

Unknown RalphS: [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←

15:08:52 <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: Michael to rewrite and extend http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials for RSS (maybe with seq) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html#action08]

Unknown RalphS: [DONE] ACTION: Michael to rewrite and extend http://rdfa.info/wiki/Tutorials for RSS (maybe with seq) [recorded in ACTION-08]">http://www.w3.org/2008/07/10-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-08] ←

15:08:56 <RalphS> -> @@ tutorial

Unknown RalphS: -> @@ tutorial ←

15:09:06 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]

Unknown RalphS: [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] ←

15:09:12 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to make http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt happen [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action05]

Unknown RalphS: [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to make http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt happen [recorded in ACTION-05]">http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-05] ←

15:09:23 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Shane to start a wiki page for HTML4/5 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action21]

Unknown RalphS: [PENDING] ACTION: Shane to start a wiki page for HTML4/5 [recorded in ACTION-21]">http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-21] ←

15:09:29 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Shane to update XHTML ns document to point to new XSLT URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]

Unknown RalphS: [PENDING] ACTION: Shane to update XHTML ns document to point to new XSLT URI [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] ←

15:09:46 <RalphS> [PENDING] ACTION: Shane to write home page for SPREAD. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

Unknown RalphS: [PENDING] ACTION: Shane to write home page for SPREAD. [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←

15:10:33 <RalphS> Topic: SWD WG telecon

2. SWD WG telecon

15:11:07 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes 19 Aug SWD WG telecon

Unknown RalphS: -> http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes 19 Aug SWD WG telecon ←

15:11:31 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes#item03 RDFa topic

Unknown RalphS: -> http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes#item03 RDFa topic ←

15:11:53 <msporny> Topic: SWD call

3. SWD call

15:11:59 <msporny> oops

Unknown msporny: oops ←

15:12:20 <msporny> scribenick: msporny

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15:12:35 <msporny> Ralph: They have agreed to look at RDFa Syntax document.

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Unknown Ralph: They have agreed to look at RDFa Syntax document. ←

15:12:45 <msporny> Jeremy: Everything seemed good.

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Unknown Jeremy: Everything seemed good. ←

15:12:52 <Steven> q+

Unknown Steven: q+ ←

15:13:03 <msporny> Ralph: They are going to vote on proposed rec on RDFa at next weeks telecon.

Unknown Ralph: They are going to vote on proposed rec on RDFa at next week's telecon. ←

15:13:08 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes#item05 CURIE discussion

Unknown RalphS: -> http://www.w3.org/2008/08/19-swd-minutes#item05 CURIE discussion ←

15:13:12 <Steven> s/weeks/week's/

15:13:34 <msporny> Ralph: We had discovered that we missed a message from the XHTML2 WG to do a formal review response on LC for CURIE spec.

Unknown Ralph: We had discovered that we missed a message from the XHTML2 WG to do a formal review response on LC for CURIE spec. ←

15:13:36 <Steven> For shame! ;-)

Unknown Steven: For shame! ;-) ←

15:14:05 <msporny> Ralph: I reminded them that it would be odd to not give input on content of CURIE spec, since it's used heavily in RDFa.

Unknown Ralph: I reminded them that it would be odd to not give input on content of CURIE spec, since it's used heavily in RDFa. ←

15:14:37 <msporny> Ralph: Jeremy volunteered on stand-alone CURIE spec.

Unknown Ralph: Jeremy volunteered on stand-alone CURIE spec. ←

15:14:46 <msporny> ack Steven

ack Steven ←

15:14:55 <RalphS> scribe: ralph

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15:14:59 <RalphS> scribenick: ralph

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15:15:12 <RalphS> Steven: the XHTML2 WG resolved yesterday to take RDFa Syntax to PR

Unknown Steven: the XHTML2 WG resolved yesterday to take RDFa Syntax to PR [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:16:39 <Steven> And XForms are planning to use it

Unknown Steven: And XForms are planning to use it ←

15:16:56 <RalphS> Shane: there are 4 other specs using the standalone CURIE spec: XHTML Role, Access, XML Events 2, and XHTML2

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Unknown Shane: there are 4 other specs using the standalone CURIE spec: XHTML Role, Access, XML Events 2, and XHTML2 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:17:19 <RalphS> Jeremy: I note that CURIEs are more versatile than QNames

Unknown Jeremy: I note that CURIEs are more versatile than QNames [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:17:36 <Steven> Yes, exactly

Unknown Steven: Yes, exactly ←

15:17:41 <Steven> that's the point

Unknown Steven: that's the point ←

15:20:30 <RalphS> Manu: what's the next step?

Unknown Manu: what's the next step? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:20:49 <RalphS> Ralph: SWD WG formally resolves to request PR transition -- likely to happen next Tuesday

Unknown Ralph: SWD WG formally resolves to request PR transition -- likely to happen next Tuesday [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:21:08 <RalphS> ... then Ralph schedules a Transition Meeting with Steve Bratt

Unknown RalphS: ... then Ralph schedules a Transition Meeting with Steve Bratt ←

15:21:26 <RalphS> ... then, assuming Steve agrees we have met the CR exit criteria, we publish

Unknown RalphS: ... then, assuming Steve agrees we have met the CR exit criteria, we publish ←

15:21:32 <RalphS> Shane: I need a new status paragraph from Ralph

Unknown Shane: I need a new status paragraph from Ralph [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:21:34 <RalphS> Ralph: right

Unknown Ralph: right [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:21:49 <msporny> scribenick: msporny

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15:22:08 <msporny> Ralph: Then, there is an announcement to the advisory committee, call for review for PR

Unknown Ralph: Then, there is an announcement to the advisory committee, call for review for PR ←

15:22:45 <msporny> Ralph: Also in that announcement, there is a solicitation for any member to offer a testimonial to go into the press release.

Unknown Ralph: Also in that announcement, there is a solicitation for any member to offer a testimonial to go into the press release. ←

15:23:02 <msporny> Ralph: There is a 4 week window for the review responses to arrive.

Unknown Ralph: There is a 4 week window for the review responses to arrive. ←

15:23:29 <msporny> Ralph: So if call for review went out before Sept. 2nd, then some time in the beginning of October the team would look at the review responses.

Unknown Ralph: So if call for review went out before Sept. 2nd, then some time in the beginning of October the team would look at the review responses. ←

15:23:41 <msporny> Ralph: So we're looking at a directors response in early October.

Unknown Ralph: So we're looking at a directors response in early October. ←

15:23:58 <msporny> Steven: Would be good to do this before Technical Plenary.

Unknown Steven: Would be good to do this before Technical Plenary. ←

15:24:25 <Steven> TP is week of 20 Oct

Unknown Steven: TP is week of 20 Oct ←

15:24:29 <msporny> Ralph: We could have call for review before Sept. 2nd, Review closes before Oct 2nd, Directors decision before Oct 14th.

Unknown Ralph: We could have call for review before Sept. 2nd, Review closes before Oct 2nd, Directors decision before Oct 14th. ←

15:24:37 <msporny> Shane: When is publication moratorium?

Unknown Shane: When is publication moratorium? ←

15:25:04 <msporny> Ralph: I'd expect that it is no later than the 14th.

Unknown Ralph: I'd expect that it is no later than the 14th. ←

15:25:55 <RalphS> topic: Outreach

4. Outreach

15:25:59 <RalphS> scribenick: ralph

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15:26:25 <RalphS> Manu: over the past few months we've been working on slashdot, Yahoo, and digg to integrate RDFa

Unknown Manu: over the past few months we've been working on slashdot, Yahoo, and digg to integrate RDFa [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:26:36 <RalphS> ... digg had done it but recently removed the additions

Unknown RalphS: ... digg had done it but recently removed the additions ←

15:26:43 <RalphS> ... Ben is working with Yahoo

Unknown RalphS: ... Ben is working with Yahoo ←

15:26:52 <RalphS> ... any other tech sites we should work with?

Unknown RalphS: ... any other tech sites we should work with? ←

15:27:05 <RalphS> ... cnet ?

Unknown RalphS: ... cnet ? ←

15:27:40 <RalphS> ... connections to people who do press releases and news items?

Unknown RalphS: ... connections to people who do press releases and news items? ←

15:28:29 <RalphS> ... I can talk with my contact at BBC

Unknown RalphS: ... I can talk with my contact at BBC ←

15:28:51 <RalphS> ... I'll also talk with Jamie Mccarthy at slashdot; they might be willing to do an interview

Unknown RalphS: ... I'll also talk with Jamie Mccarthy at slashdot; they might be willing to do an interview ←

15:29:27 <RalphS> ACTION: Manu talk with Jamie McCarthy about an AskSlashdot piece

ACTION: Manu talk with Jamie McCarthy about an AskSlashdot piece ←

15:29:41 <msporny> Michael Smethurst

Unknown msporny: Michael Smethurst ←

15:29:53 <RalphS> ACTION: Manu talk with Michael Smethurst at BBC about RDFa

ACTION: Manu talk with Michael Smethurst at BBC about RDFa ←

15:31:32 <RalphS> Manu: for community-building, we've started the wiki and public-rdfa@w3.org list

Unknown Manu: for community-building, we've started the wiki and public-rdfa@w3.org list [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:31:45 <RalphS> Ralph: there are currently 72 subscribers to public-rdfa

Unknown Ralph: there are currently 72 subscribers to public-rdfa [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:32:16 <RalphS> Manu: what can we do to get more conversation going?

Unknown Manu: what can we do to get more conversation going? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:33:05 <Steven> :-)

Unknown Steven: :-) ←

15:33:22 <msporny> Mozilla Labs Aurora Browser: http://www.vimeo.com/1450211

Unknown msporny: Mozilla Labs Aurora Browser: http://www.vimeo.com/1450211 ←

15:33:30 <Steven> not to mention rdfa.info

Unknown Steven: not to mention rdfa.info ←

15:33:44 <RalphS> Manu: Aurora video is a concept piece

Unknown Manu: Aurora video is a concept piece [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:34:01 <RalphS> ... everything they're doing is built around the concept of objects that can be moved around in a browser

Unknown RalphS: ... everything they're doing is built around the concept of objects that can be moved around in a browser ←

15:34:10 <RalphS> ... I recommend looking at those 4 videos

Unknown RalphS: ... I recommend looking at those 4 videos ←

15:34:50 <RalphS> Topic: Implementation tools

5. Implementation tools

15:35:17 <RalphS> s|n t|ns and T|

Unknown RalphS: s|n t|ns and T| ←

15:35:30 <RalphS> Jeremy: TopBraid has had some limited RDFa editing support for a long time

Unknown Jeremy: TopBraid has had some limited RDFa editing support for a long time [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:36:08 <RalphS> ... the wsywyg editor is currently lower on our to-do list than other more pressing tasks

Unknown RalphS: ... the wsywyg editor is currently lower on our to-do list than other more pressing tasks ←

15:36:16 <RalphS> ... though it's actually close to being done

Unknown RalphS: ... though it's actually close to being done ←

15:36:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html RalphS

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15:36:45 <RalphS> Manu: Firefox Operator is kind-of stalled at the moment

Unknown Manu: Firefox Operator is kind-of stalled at the moment [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:37:04 <RalphS> ... new versions of Operator are being released but there's not been a lot of work lately on new ways to use RDFa

Unknown RalphS: ... new versions of Operator are being released but there's not been a lot of work lately on new ways to use RDFa ←

15:37:19 <RalphS> Jeremy: we have a to-do feature list for TopBraid

Unknown Jeremy: we have a to-do feature list for TopBraid [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:37:28 <RalphS> ... we work on the ones that customers are requiring

Unknown RalphS: ... we work on the ones that customers are requiring ←

15:38:30 <RalphS> i/-> previous/scribenick: ralphs

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15:38:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html RalphS

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15:39:19 <RalphS> i/We can do a/scribenick: ralphs

15:39:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html RalphS

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15:39:45 <RalphS> Manu: customers might only get interested in RDFa once they see a really nice application implemented

Unknown Manu: customers might only get interested in RDFa once they see a really nice application implemented [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:39:55 <RalphS> Jeremy: we believe in the usefulness of the technology

Unknown Jeremy: we believe in the usefulness of the technology [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:40:30 <RalphS> Shane: this is a general challenge for RDF

Unknown Shane: this is a general challenge for RDF [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:40:56 <RalphS> Jeremy: but consider spreadsheets -- TopBraid does support reading Excel spreadsheets because most of our customers do use Excel

Unknown Jeremy: but consider spreadsheets -- TopBraid does support reading Excel spreadsheets because most of our customers do use Excel [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:41:19 <RalphS> ... we don't have trouble selling RDF for integrating user information

Unknown RalphS: ... we don't have trouble selling RDF for integrating user information ←

15:41:30 <RalphS> ... and we're likely not to have trouble selling RDFa

Unknown RalphS: ... and we're likely not to have trouble selling RDFa ←

15:42:13 <RalphS> i/Steven: the XHTML2/scribenick: ralphs

15:42:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html RalphS

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15:42:33 <RalphS> Manu: I wonder if we should focus on getting some core pieces of RDFa into Firefox

Unknown Manu: I wonder if we should focus on getting some core pieces of RDFa into Firefox [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:42:49 <RalphS> ... for example, the ability to parse RDFa and giving access to that triple store

Unknown RalphS: ... for example, the ability to parse RDFa and giving access to that triple store ←

15:44:22 <RalphS> Ralph: yep, Tabulator @@ is a Firefox plug-in.  It will have RDFa support via GRDDL as soon as I complete my action, but it would be a big performance win to have native RDFa parsing for tools like Tabulator

Unknown Ralph: yep, Tabulator @@ is a Firefox plug-in. It will have RDFa support via GRDDL as soon as I complete my action, but it would be a big performance win to have native RDFa parsing for tools like Tabulator [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:44:35 <RalphS> Manu: is it our goal to have every browser parse RDFa?

Unknown Manu: is it our goal to have every browser parse RDFa? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:44:40 <RalphS> Jeremy: yes, yes, yes :)

Unknown Jeremy: yes, yes, yes :) [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:44:56 <RalphS> Steven: I'm not sure that it really matters in the short term

Unknown Steven: I'm not sure that it really matters in the short term [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:45:08 <RalphS> ... it would be fine if they did, but life will go on if they don't

Unknown RalphS: ... it would be fine if they did, but life will go on if they don't ←

15:46:19 <RalphS> Steven: there are extension points in browsers, so you can implement lots of functionality without the browser developers having to sign on

Unknown Steven: there are extension points in browsers, so you can implement lots of functionality without the browser developers having to sign on [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:46:36 <RalphS> ... we should not predicate our success on having to get the browsers to sign up

Unknown RalphS: ... we should not predicate our success on having to get the browsers to sign up ←

15:46:50 <RalphS> Manu: so javascript and client side development our path?

Unknown Manu: so javascript and client side development our path? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:46:55 <RalphS> Steven: yes

Unknown Steven: yes [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:47:07 <RalphS> ... we saw the same sort of reaction in the early days of SVG and XSLT

Unknown RalphS: ... we saw the same sort of reaction in the early days of SVG and XSLT ←

15:48:18 <RalphS> Ralph: maybe RDFa API for Javascript is low-hanging fruit?

Unknown Ralph: maybe RDFa API for Javascript is low-hanging fruit? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:48:35 <RalphS> Steven: similar things are being discussed in the Backplane Incubator Group

Unknown Steven: similar things are being discussed in the Backplane Incubator Group [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:48:37 <JeremyCarroll> (I am convinced by Steven's comments)

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15:48:50 <RalphS> ... they're deciding that the way forward is to do APIs

Unknown RalphS: ... they're deciding that the way forward is to do APIs ←

15:50:07 <RalphS> Manu: some of the core work we're dealing with at DigitalBazaar is hampered by the lack of standard APIs to triples

Unknown Manu: some of the core work we're dealing with at DigitalBazaar is hampered by the lack of standard APIs to triples [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:50:58 <RalphS> Ralph: there's also the widget factory stuff

Unknown Ralph: there's also the widget factory stuff [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:51:23 <RalphS> i/Manu: over the/scribenick: ralphs

15:51:41 <RalphS> Topic: Documentation on Wiki

6. Documentation on Wiki

15:51:47 <RalphS> Manu: who's been updating the wiki?

Unknown Manu: who's been updating the wiki? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:51:54 <RalphS> [no voices]

Unknown RalphS: [no voices] ←

15:52:21 <RalphS> Manu: I'm interested in getting the discussion started on [public-rdfa] as that makes it much easier to update the wiki

Unknown Manu: I'm interested in getting the discussion started on [public-rdfa] as that makes it much easier to update the wiki [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:52:37 <RalphS> Shane: the only thing I plan to do is the HTML4/5+RDFa page

Unknown Shane: the only thing I plan to do is the HTML4/5+RDFa page [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:52:47 <RalphS> Steven: I plan to do some updates to the implementations page

Unknown Steven: I plan to do some updates to the implementations page [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:53:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html RalphS

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15:53:12 <RalphS> Manu: do we have enough of a framework in the wiki now?

Unknown Manu: do we have enough of a framework in the wiki now? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:53:27 <RalphS> Shane: not really but it will come with the growth of the community and continued evangelism

Unknown Shane: not really but it will come with the growth of the community and continued evangelism [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:53:49 <RalphS> Manu: I could flesh out the tutorial section a bit more based on experience from microformats

Unknown Manu: I could flesh out the tutorial section a bit more based on experience from microformats [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:54:59 <RalphS> ... Jeremy, would you care to expand on the TopBraid paragraph?

Unknown RalphS: ... Jeremy, would you care to expand on the TopBraid paragraph? ←

15:55:17 <RalphS> ACTION: Jeremy review and consider expanding the description of TopBraid in the RDFa wiki

ACTION: Jeremy review and consider expanding the description of TopBraid in the RDFa wiki ←

15:55:59 <RalphS> s|/5||

Unknown RalphS: s|/5|| ←

15:56:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html RalphS

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15:57:47 <RalphS> Ralph: don't forget about the Primer

Unknown Ralph: don't forget about the Primer [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:57:58 <RalphS> ... perhaps it could usefully be a bit longer

Unknown RalphS: ... perhaps it could usefully be a bit longer ←

15:58:17 <RalphS> Shane: have people thought about how we're going to deal with XMLLiteral in HTML4+RDFa ?

Unknown Shane: have people thought about how we're going to deal with XMLLiteral in HTML4+RDFa ? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:58:41 <RalphS> Jeremy: I've thought about it but takes longer than 2 minutes to explain

Unknown Jeremy: I've thought about it but takes longer than 2 minutes to explain [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

15:58:54 <RalphS> Manu: there's also the @prefix question for HTML4

Unknown Manu: there's also the @prefix question for HTML4 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown RalphS ] ←

16:02:25 <RalphS> zakim, list attendees

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16:02:25 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Ralph, msporny, Steven, ShaneM, Jeremy

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16:02:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html RalphS

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16:02:46 <RalphS> [adjourned]

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16:02:46 <Zakim> -ShaneM

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16:02:47 <Zakim> -Jeremy

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16:02:47 <Zakim> -Steven

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16:02:49 <Zakim> -Ralph

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16:02:50 <Zakim> -msporny

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16:02:52 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended

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16:02:53 <Zakim> Attendees were Ralph, msporny, Steven, ShaneM, Jeremy

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18:54:26 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye

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18:54:26 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-actions.rdf :

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18:54:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben and Manu to test implementations on step 9 (no child nodes with @property) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html#action23] [1]

ACTION: Ben and Manu to test implementations on step 9 (no child nodes with @property) [recorded in ACTION-23]">http://www.w3.org/2008/08/14-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-23] [1] ←

18:54:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-irc#T15-03-23

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18:54:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu write a pending test case for literal property and no child nodes [2]

ACTION: Manu write a pending test case for literal property and no child nodes [2] ←

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18:54:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph prepare to summarize new W3C test suite license on 28 Aug [3]

ACTION: Ralph prepare to summarize new W3C test suite license on 28 Aug [3] ←

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18:54:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu talk with Jamie McCarthy about an AskSlashdot piece [4]

ACTION: Manu talk with Jamie McCarthy about an AskSlashdot piece [4] ←

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18:54:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu talk with Michael Smethurst at BBC about RDFa [5]

ACTION: Manu talk with Michael Smethurst at BBC about RDFa [5] ←

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18:54:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeremy review and consider expanding the description of TopBraid in the RDFa wiki [6]

ACTION: Jeremy review and consider expanding the description of TopBraid in the RDFa wiki [6] ←

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