<sandro> PRESENT: Alex Hall, Antoine Zimmermann, Axel Polleres, Christopher Matheus, Dan Brickley, David Wood, Dieter Fensel, Fabien Gandon, Gavin Carothers, Guus Schreiber, Ivan Herman, Jean-François Baget, Manu Sporny, Matteo Brunati, Mischa Tuffield, Nathan Rixham, Patrick Hayes, Peter Patel-Schneider, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Sandro Hawke, Scott Bauer, Souripriya Das, Thomas Steiner, Yves Raimond, Zhe Wu
15:51:23 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has now started ←
15:51:31 <Zakim> + +33.4.67.92.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.4.67.92.aaaa ←
15:52:51 <Zakim> + +43.512.507.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +43.512.507.aabb ←
15:53:48 <Zakim> +davidwood
Zakim IRC Bot: +davidwood ←
15:54:07 <Zakim> +Scott_Bauer
Zakim IRC Bot: +Scott_Bauer ←
15:54:14 <Zakim> +??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←
15:54:19 <webr3> zakim, i am ??
Nathan Rixham: zakim, i am ?? ←
15:54:19 <Zakim> +webr3; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +webr3; got it ←
15:54:21 <Zakim> +??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7 ←
15:54:27 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider
Zakim IRC Bot: +Peter_Patel-Schneider ←
15:54:32 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
15:54:32 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
15:54:34 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
15:54:58 <mischat> zakim, i am ??P7
Mischa Tuffield: zakim, i am ??P7 ←
15:54:58 <Zakim> +mischat; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mischat; got it ←
15:55:06 <JFB> 33.4.67.92 is Jean-François Baget, scribing...
Jean-François Baget: 33.4.67.92 is Jean-François Baget, scribing... ←
15:55:07 <mischat> zakim mute me
Mischa Tuffield: zakim mute me ←
15:55:12 <mischat> zakim, mute me
Mischa Tuffield: zakim, mute me ←
15:55:13 <Zakim> + +33.4.72.43.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.4.72.43.aacc ←
15:55:14 <Zakim> mischat should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: mischat should now be muted ←
15:55:40 <pfps> people should mute whenever possible
Peter Patel-Schneider: people should mute whenever possible ←
15:55:45 <AZ> zakim, +33.4.72.43.aacc is me
Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, +33.4.72.43.aacc is me ←
15:55:45 <Zakim> +AZ; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AZ; got it ←
15:55:52 <mischat> zakim, unmute me
Mischa Tuffield: zakim, unmute me ←
15:55:53 <Zakim> mischat should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: mischat should no longer be muted ←
15:55:55 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
15:55:55 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←
15:56:03 <AZ> zakim, mute me
Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, mute me ←
15:56:04 <Zakim> AZ should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: AZ should now be muted ←
15:56:06 <mischat> zakim, mute me
Mischa Tuffield: zakim, mute me ←
15:56:06 <Zakim> mischat should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: mischat should now be muted ←
15:56:11 <pfps> zakim, who is on the phone?
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:56:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see +33.4.67.92.aaaa, +43.512.507.aabb, davidwood, Scott_Bauer, webr3, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan (muted), AZ (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +33.4.67.92.aaaa, +43.512.507.aabb, davidwood, Scott_Bauer, webr3, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan (muted), AZ (muted) ←
15:56:13 <JFB> zakim, +33.4.67.92.aaaa is me
Jean-François Baget: zakim, +33.4.67.92.aaaa is me ←
15:56:14 <Zakim> +JFB; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JFB; got it ←
15:56:59 <JFB> zakim, who is on the phone?
Jean-François Baget: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:56:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see JFB, +43.512.507.aabb, davidwood, Scott_Bauer, webr3, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan (muted), AZ (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see JFB, +43.512.507.aabb, davidwood, Scott_Bauer, webr3, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan (muted), AZ (muted) ←
15:57:47 <dfensel6_> +43.512.507 is dfensel6 (dieter fenel)
Dieter Fensel: +43.512.507 is dfensel6 (dieter fenel) ←
15:58:24 <dfensel6_> dfensel6 is my w3c nickname
Dieter Fensel: dfensel6 is my w3c nickname ←
15:58:35 <JFB> zakim, mute me
Jean-François Baget: zakim, mute me ←
15:58:35 <Zakim> JFB should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: JFB should now be muted ←
15:58:52 <dfensel6_> I tried to save a character.
Dieter Fensel: I tried to save a character. ←
15:58:56 <mischat> zakim, 43.512.507 is dfensel6
Mischa Tuffield: zakim, 43.512.507 is dfensel6 ←
15:58:56 <Zakim> sorry, mischat, I do not recognize a party named '43.512.507'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, mischat, I do not recognize a party named '43.512.507' ←
15:59:12 <Zakim> + +1.707.861.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.707.861.aadd ←
15:59:21 <dfensel6_> +43.512.507 is dfensel6 (dieter fensel)
Dieter Fensel: +43.512.507 is dfensel6 (dieter fensel) ←
15:59:44 <mischat> zakim, 43.512.507.aabb is dfensel6
Mischa Tuffield: zakim, 43.512.507.aabb is dfensel6 ←
15:59:44 <Zakim> sorry, mischat, I do not recognize a party named '43.512.507.aabb'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, mischat, I do not recognize a party named '43.512.507.aabb' ←
15:59:47 <pfps> zakim, who is on the phone
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is on the phone ←
15:59:47 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', pfps ←
15:59:50 <Zakim> +Zhe_Wu
Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe_Wu ←
15:59:55 <gavinc> zakim, +1.707.861 is me
Gavin Carothers: zakim, +1.707.861 is me ←
15:59:55 <Zakim> +gavinc; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +gavinc; got it ←
15:59:56 <manu1> zakim, code?
Manu Sporny: zakim, code? ←
15:59:56 <Zakim> +??P18
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18 ←
15:59:58 <webr3> zakim, +43.512.507.aabb is dfensel6
Nathan Rixham: zakim, +43.512.507.aabb is dfensel6 ←
15:59:58 <Zakim> the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), manu1
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 73394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), manu1 ←
16:00:00 <pfps> zakim, who is on the phone?
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
16:00:00 <Zakim> +dfensel6; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dfensel6; got it ←
16:00:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see JFB (muted), dfensel6, davidwood, Scott_Bauer, webr3, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan (muted), AZ (muted), gavinc, Zhe_Wu, ??P18
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see JFB (muted), dfensel6, davidwood, Scott_Bauer, webr3, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan (muted), AZ (muted), gavinc, Zhe_Wu, ??P18 ←
16:00:05 <zwu2> zakim, mute me
16:00:05 <Zakim> sorry, zwu2, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, zwu2, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
16:00:06 <Zakim> + +1.443.212.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.443.212.aaee ←
16:00:12 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres
Zakim IRC Bot: +AxelPolleres ←
16:00:13 <gavinc> zakim, mute me
Gavin Carothers: zakim, mute me ←
16:00:13 <Zakim> gavinc should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: gavinc should now be muted ←
16:00:48 <zwu2> zakim, zwu2 is Zhe_Wu
Zhe Wu: zakim, zwu2 is Zhe_Wu ←
16:00:48 <Zakim> sorry, zwu2, I do not recognize a party named 'zwu2'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, zwu2, I do not recognize a party named 'zwu2' ←
16:00:50 <Zakim> +Guus
Zakim IRC Bot: +Guus ←
16:01:00 <AlexHall> zakim, aaee is me
Alex Hall: zakim, aaee is me ←
16:01:00 <Zakim> +AlexHall; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AlexHall; got it ←
16:01:02 <zwu2> zakim, Zhe_Wu is zwu2
Zhe Wu: zakim, Zhe_Wu is zwu2 ←
16:01:02 <Zakim> +zwu2; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +zwu2; got it ←
16:01:08 <zwu2> zakim, mute me
16:01:08 <Zakim> zwu2 should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: zwu2 should now be muted ←
16:01:16 <Zakim> +??P30
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P30 ←
16:01:18 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
16:01:19 <manu1> zakim, I am ??P30
Manu Sporny: zakim, I am ??P30 ←
16:01:19 <Zakim> +manu1; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +manu1; got it ←
16:01:43 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
16:01:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see JFB (muted), dfensel6, davidwood, Scott_Bauer, webr3, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan (muted), AZ (muted), gavinc (muted), zwu2 (muted), ??P18,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see JFB (muted), dfensel6, davidwood, Scott_Bauer, webr3, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan (muted), AZ (muted), gavinc (muted), zwu2 (muted), ??P18, ←
16:01:46 <Zakim> ... AlexHall, AxelPolleres, Guus, manu1, Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: ... AlexHall, AxelPolleres, Guus, manu1, Sandro ←
16:01:52 <mbrunati> q+
Matteo Brunati: q+ ←
16:01:57 <mbrunati> q-
Matteo Brunati: q- ←
16:02:03 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
Guus Schreiber: zakim, who is here? ←
16:02:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see JFB (muted), dfensel6, davidwood, Scott_Bauer, webr3, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan (muted), AZ (muted), gavinc (muted), zwu2 (muted), ??P18,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see JFB (muted), dfensel6, davidwood, Scott_Bauer, webr3, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan (muted), AZ (muted), gavinc (muted), zwu2 (muted), ??P18, ←
16:02:06 <Zakim> ... AlexHall, AxelPolleres, Guus, manu1, Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: ... AlexHall, AxelPolleres, Guus, manu1, Sandro ←
16:02:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see FabGandon, pchampin, AxelPolleres, zwu2, AlexHall, mbrunati, Guus, gavinc, tomayac, pfps, AZ, dfensel6_, hsbauer, JFB, domel, danbri, SteveH, ivan, mischat, cmatheus,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see FabGandon, pchampin, AxelPolleres, zwu2, AlexHall, mbrunati, Guus, gavinc, tomayac, pfps, AZ, dfensel6_, hsbauer, JFB, domel, danbri, SteveH, ivan, mischat, cmatheus, ←
16:02:10 <Zakim> ... manu1, webr3, davidwood, yvesr, Zakim, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... manu1, webr3, davidwood, yvesr, Zakim, sandro, trackbot ←
16:02:12 <Zakim> +[Sophia]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[Sophia] ←
16:02:14 <Zakim> +??P34
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34 ←
16:02:19 <JFB> zakim, agenda?
Jean-François Baget: zakim, agenda? ←
16:02:19 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
Zakim IRC Bot: I see 1 item remaining on the agenda: ←
16:02:21 <Zakim> 5. Establishment of initial task forces. We need task forces for the obligatory pieces of work: Subgraphs, Turtle, JSON [from davidwood]
Zakim IRC Bot: 5. Establishment of initial task forces. We need task forces for the obligatory pieces of work: Subgraphs, Turtle, JSON [from davidwood] ←
16:02:23 <mbrunati> zakim, i am ??P18
Matteo Brunati: zakim, i am ??P18 ←
16:02:24 <Zakim> +mbrunati; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mbrunati; got it ←
16:02:28 <FabGandon> Zakim, +[Sophia] is me
Fabien Gandon: Zakim, +[Sophia] is me ←
16:02:28 <Zakim> sorry, FabGandon, I do not recognize a party named '+[Sophia]'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, FabGandon, I do not recognize a party named '+[Sophia]' ←
16:02:38 <Zakim> -??P34
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P34 ←
16:02:44 <FabGandon> Zakim, [Sophia] is me
Fabien Gandon: Zakim, [Sophia] is me ←
16:02:44 <Zakim> +FabGandon; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +FabGandon; got it ←
16:03:00 <Zakim> + +1.404.978.aaff - is perhaps Dzung_Tran?
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.404.978.aaff - is perhaps Dzung_Tran? ←
16:03:02 <JFB> zakim, agenda?
Jean-François Baget: zakim, agenda? ←
16:03:02 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
Zakim IRC Bot: I see 1 item remaining on the agenda: ←
16:03:04 <Zakim> 5. Establishment of initial task forces. We need task forces for the obligatory pieces of work: Subgraphs, Turtle, JSON [from davidwood]
Zakim IRC Bot: 5. Establishment of initial task forces. We need task forces for the obligatory pieces of work: Subgraphs, Turtle, JSON [from davidwood] ←
16:03:15 <Zakim> +Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: +Souri ←
16:03:17 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
16:03:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see JFB (muted), dfensel6, davidwood, Scott_Bauer, webr3, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan (muted), AZ (muted), gavinc (muted), zwu2 (muted), mbrunati,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see JFB (muted), dfensel6, davidwood, Scott_Bauer, webr3, mischat (muted), Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan (muted), AZ (muted), gavinc (muted), zwu2 (muted), mbrunati, ←
16:03:21 <Zakim> ... AlexHall, AxelPolleres, Guus, manu1, Sandro, FabGandon, Dzung_Tran?, Souri
Zakim IRC Bot: ... AlexHall, AxelPolleres, Guus, manu1, Sandro, FabGandon, Dzung_Tran?, Souri ←
16:03:32 <JFB> on the call and muted
Jean-François Baget: on the call and muted ←
16:03:32 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking? ←
16:03:43 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: davidwood (64%), mbrunati (4%), Guus (9%)
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: davidwood (64%), mbrunati (4%), Guus (9%) ←
16:03:44 <JFB> zakim, unmute me
Jean-François Baget: zakim, unmute me ←
16:03:46 <Zakim> JFB should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: JFB should no longer be muted ←
16:04:04 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking? ←
16:04:04 <Zakim> +??P40
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P40 ←
16:04:14 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: dfensel6 (16%), davidwood (15%), JFB (21%), Guus (30%), ??P40 (9%)
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: dfensel6 (16%), davidwood (15%), JFB (21%), Guus (30%), ??P40 (9%) ←
16:04:21 <ivan> scribenick: JFB
(Scribe set to Jean-François Baget)
16:04:23 <JFB> zakim, mute me
zakim, mute me ←
16:04:23 <Zakim> JFB should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: JFB should now be muted ←
16:04:28 <mbrunati> zakim, mute me
Matteo Brunati: zakim, mute me ←
16:04:28 <Zakim> mbrunati should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: mbrunati should now be muted ←
16:04:37 <mbrunati> zakim, unmute me
Matteo Brunati: zakim, unmute me ←
16:04:37 <Zakim> mbrunati should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: mbrunati should no longer be muted ←
16:04:47 <sandro> zakim, Guus has DanBri
Sandro Hawke: zakim, Guus has DanBri ←
16:04:47 <Zakim> +DanBri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +DanBri; got it ←
<sandro> topic: Admin
16:05:11 <JFB> 2nd telecon, agenda + 1 msg from peter
2nd telecon, agenda + 1 msg from peter ←
16:05:11 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P40
Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P40 ←
16:05:11 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P40', yvesr
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '??P40', yvesr ←
16:05:15 <pfps> Minutes are fine.
Peter Patel-Schneider: Minutes are fine. ←
16:05:17 <sandro> davidwood, please try zakim muting yourself -- I think you might be the source of echo.
Sandro Hawke: davidwood, please try zakim muting yourself -- I think you might be the source of echo. ←
16:05:28 <davidwood> Zakim, mute me
David Wood: Zakim, mute me ←
16:05:28 <Zakim> davidwood should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: davidwood should now be muted ←
16:05:32 <JFB> objections to minutes from last agenda ?
objections to minutes from last agenda ? ←
16:05:34 <davidwood> The minutes are fine
David Wood: The minutes are fine ←
16:05:43 <JFB> minutes accepted
minutes accepted ←
16:05:44 <mbrunati> minutes ok
Matteo Brunati: minutes ok ←
16:05:49 <sandro> (yes, davidwood, that did it. you might try calling back.)
Sandro Hawke: (yes, davidwood, that did it. you might try calling back.) ←
16:05:54 <davidwood> ok
David Wood: ok ←
16:06:01 <JFB> no actions from previous telecon
no actions from previous telecon ←
16:06:02 <yvesr> Zakim, ??P40 is yvesr
Yves Raimond: Zakim, ??P40 is yvesr ←
16:06:03 <Zakim> +yvesr; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yvesr; got it ←
16:06:03 <Zakim> -davidwood
Zakim IRC Bot: -davidwood ←
16:06:07 <danbri_> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Feb/0040.html
16:06:19 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking? ←
16:06:21 <Zakim> +davidwood
Zakim IRC Bot: +davidwood ←
16:06:30 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: dfensel6 (16%), Guus (46%)
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: dfensel6 (16%), Guus (46%) ←
16:06:30 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/ tracker link
Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/ tracker link ←
<sandro> subtopic: Raising Issues
16:06:32 <JFB> link to the issue tracker (http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/)
link to the issue tracker (http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/) ←
16:06:54 <sandro> nope, actually I think dfensel6_ is that source of echo. Dieter, can you try "zakim, mute me" ?
Sandro Hawke: nope, actually I think dfensel6_ is that source of echo. Dieter, can you try "zakim, mute me" ? ←
16:07:05 <dfensel6_> zakim, mute me
Dieter Fensel: zakim, mute me ←
16:07:05 <Zakim> sorry, dfensel6_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, dfensel6_, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
16:07:07 <JFB> issue tracker: 1st step raise an issue
issue tracker: 1st step raise an issue ←
16:07:19 <JFB> becomes open when accepted at telecon
becomes open when accepted at telecon ←
16:07:46 <sandro> zakim, dfensel6 is dfensel6_
Sandro Hawke: zakim, dfensel6 is dfensel6_ ←
16:07:46 <Zakim> +dfensel6_; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dfensel6_; got it ←
16:07:55 <sandro> zakim, mute dfensel6_
Sandro Hawke: zakim, mute dfensel6_ ←
16:07:55 <Zakim> dfensel6_ should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: dfensel6_ should now be muted ←
16:08:05 <JFB> use the products when defining an issue
use the products when defining an issue ←
16:08:16 <JFB> question?
question? ←
16:08:22 <mischat> any questions about the issue tracker ?
Mischa Tuffield: any questions about the issue tracker ? ←
16:08:52 <pfps> change "General" to "Misc"?
Peter Patel-Schneider: change "General" to "Misc"? ←
16:08:54 <JFB> question (who?) what for RDF general ?
Sandro Hawke: what for RDF general ? ←
16:09:04 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me ←
16:09:04 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted ←
16:09:07 <JFB> answer: anything that does not fit anywhere else
Guus Schreiber: answer: anything that does not fit anywhere else ←
16:09:14 <Zakim> -mischat
Zakim IRC Bot: -mischat ←
16:09:24 <davidwood> chair Guus
David Wood: chair Guus ←
16:09:29 <sandro> s/question (who?) /sandro:/
16:09:39 <davidwood> chair: Guus
16:09:52 <sandro> s/answer:/guus: answer:/
16:09:53 <JFB> Guus: (just to give everything a problem)
Guus Schreiber: (just to give everything a problem) ←
16:09:56 <Zakim> +??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7 ←
16:09:57 <AxelPolleres> I assume issues are in general added by chairs only? Can we refer to particular products in mails, etc.?
Axel Polleres: I assume issues are in general added by chairs only? Can we refer to particular products in mails, etc.? ←
16:10:01 <JFB> zakim, unmute me
zakim, unmute me ←
16:10:01 <Zakim> JFB should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: JFB should no longer be muted ←
16:10:10 <mischat> zakim, ??P7 is me
Mischa Tuffield: zakim, ??P7 is me ←
16:10:10 <Zakim> +mischat; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mischat; got it ←
16:10:14 <mischat> zakim, mute me
Mischa Tuffield: zakim, mute me ←
16:10:14 <Zakim> mischat should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: mischat should now be muted ←
16:10:17 <JFB> zakim, mute me
zakim, mute me ←
16:10:17 <Zakim> JFB should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: JFB should now be muted ←
16:10:19 <JFB> zakim, unmute me
zakim, unmute me ←
16:10:19 <Zakim> JFB should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: JFB should no longer be muted ←
16:10:34 <JFB> zakim, who is on the phone?
zakim, who is on the phone? ←
16:10:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see JFB, dfensel6_ (muted), Scott_Bauer, webr3, Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan, AZ (muted), gavinc (muted), zwu2 (muted), mbrunati, AlexHall, AxelPolleres, Guus, manu1,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see JFB, dfensel6_ (muted), Scott_Bauer, webr3, Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan, AZ (muted), gavinc (muted), zwu2 (muted), mbrunati, AlexHall, AxelPolleres, Guus, manu1, ←
16:10:37 <Zakim> ... Sandro, FabGandon, Dzung_Tran?, Souri, yvesr, davidwood, mischat (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Sandro, FabGandon, Dzung_Tran?, Souri, yvesr, davidwood, mischat (muted) ←
16:10:38 <Zakim> Guus has DanBri
Zakim IRC Bot: Guus has DanBri ←
16:10:39 <davidwood> AxelPolleres: Issues may be added by anyone, but will be discussed as a group.
Axel Polleres: Issues may be added by anyone, but will be discussed as a group. [ Scribe Assist by David Wood ] ←
16:10:40 <manu1> q+ to ask if it's okay to raise issues now?
Manu Sporny: q+ to ask if it's okay to raise issues now? ←
16:10:51 <ivan> zakim, mischat has also Jeremy
Ivan Herman: zakim, mischat has also Jeremy ←
16:10:51 <Zakim> +also, Jeremy; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +also, Jeremy; got it ←
16:10:56 <AxelPolleres> david, ok
Axel Polleres: david, ok ←
16:11:17 <danbri> peter's mail as mentioned by Guus - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Feb/0050.html
Dan Brickley: peter's mail as mentioned by Guus - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2011Feb/0050.html ←
16:12:03 <JFB> Guus: All group members can raise an issue, then it will be discussed at telecon
Guus Schreiber: All group members can raise an issue, then it will be discussed at telecon ←
16:12:13 <sandro> guus: Let's go ahead and let people RAISE issues themselves, but don't go too crazy with it.
Guus Schreiber: Let's go ahead and let people RAISE issues themselves, but don't go too crazy with it. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:12:17 <mischat> zakim, ??P7 is me
Mischa Tuffield: zakim, ??P7 is me ←
16:12:17 <Zakim> I already had ??P7 as mischat, mischat
Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P7 as mischat, mischat ←
16:12:38 <Zakim> +PatH
Zakim IRC Bot: +PatH ←
16:12:52 <JFB>Topic: Turtle Task Force
16:13:04 <AxelPolleres> q+ how to relate to products in Issues/mails?
Axel Polleres: q+ how to relate to products in Issues/mails? ←
16:13:10 <sandro> (Note that RAISING an issue does not make it OPEN. The chairs turn RAISED issues into OPEN ones)
Sandro Hawke: (Note that RAISING an issue does not make it OPEN. The chairs turn RAISED issues into OPEN ones) ←
16:13:14 <ivan> ack manu1
Ivan Herman: ack manu1 ←
16:13:14 <Zakim> manu1, you wanted to ask if it's okay to raise issues now?
Zakim IRC Bot: manu1, you wanted to ask if it's okay to raise issues now? ←
16:13:18 <danbri> Re Turtle, http://www.w3.org/2009/12/rdf-ws/papers/ws11 "Turtle needs better alignment with the SPARQL triples pattern language since there are differences in QName / Curie formats as well as some other minor differences."
Dan Brickley: Re Turtle, http://www.w3.org/2009/12/rdf-ws/papers/ws11 "Turtle needs better alignment with the SPARQL triples pattern language since there are differences in QName / Curie formats as well as some other minor differences." ←
16:13:20 <ivan> ack how
Ivan Herman: ack how ←
16:13:20 <Zakim> how, you wanted to relate to products in Issues/mails?
Zakim IRC Bot: how, you wanted to relate to products in Issues/mails? ←
16:13:34 <danbri> in http://www.dajobe.org/2004/01/turtle/2006-12-04/#sec-diff-sparql differences with sparql are listed; in http://www.w3.org/TeamSubmission/turtle/ (later doc) not so much detail.
Dan Brickley: in http://www.dajobe.org/2004/01/turtle/2006-12-04/#sec-diff-sparql differences with sparql are listed; in http://www.w3.org/TeamSubmission/turtle/ (later doc) not so much detail. ←
16:13:44 <yvesr> danbri: and prefix definitions
Dan Brickley: and prefix definitions [ Scribe Assist by Yves Raimond ] ←
16:13:53 <manu1> +1 for using the TURTLE Team Submission as the starting point.
Manu Sporny: +1 for using the TURTLE Team Submission as the starting point. ←
16:13:56 <danbri> ah no, it's here http://www.w3.org/TeamSubmission/turtle/#sec-diff-sparql
Dan Brickley: ah no, it's here http://www.w3.org/TeamSubmission/turtle/#sec-diff-sparql ←
16:14:00 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:14:07 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
16:14:41 <webr3> ed draft: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/
Nathan Rixham: ed draft: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/ ←
16:14:47 <JFB> (who's speaking?)
(who's speaking?) ←
16:14:50 <danbri> q+ to ask if we have SPARQL WG members here; could SPARQL 1.1 and Turtle converge with a few tweaks on either side?
Dan Brickley: q+ to ask if we have SPARQL WG members here; could SPARQL 1.1 and Turtle converge with a few tweaks on either side? ←
16:14:59 <JFB> thks
thks ←
16:15:21 <Zakim> +??P20
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P20 ←
16:15:26 <mischat> that page is not public
Mischa Tuffield: that page is not public ←
16:15:30 <AxelPolleres> danbri, the prefix syntax is the major diff, isn't it?
Axel Polleres: danbri, the prefix syntax is the major diff, isn't it? ←
16:15:59 <cmatheus> zakim, ??P20 is me
Christopher Matheus: zakim, ??P20 is me ←
16:15:59 <Zakim> +cmatheus; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cmatheus; got it ←
16:16:05 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/ -> Insufficient Access Privileges
Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/ -> Insufficient Access Privileges ←
16:16:06 <danbri> (eg. literal subjects are permitted in sparql too, in theory at least)
Dan Brickley: (eg. literal subjects are permitted in sparql too, in theory at least) ←
16:16:07 <webr3> see D changes too
Nathan Rixham: see D changes too ←
16:16:19 <mischat> http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/#sec-grammar-parsing
Mischa Tuffield: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/#sec-grammar-parsing ←
16:16:26 <mischat> Section 4.5 ^^
Mischa Tuffield: Section 4.5 ^^ ←
16:16:45 <yvesr> manu1: works for me
Manu Sporny: works for me [ Scribe Assist by Yves Raimond ] ←
16:16:59 <JFB> Section 4.5 of http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/#sec-grammar-parsing Parsing turtle
Section 4.5 of http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/#sec-grammar-parsing Parsing turtle ←
16:17:09 <sandro> Here is a color-coded diff: http://www.w3.org/People/Sandro/turtle-diff
Sandro Hawke: Here is a color-coded diff: http://www.w3.org/People/Sandro/turtle-diff ←
16:17:58 <JFB> X suggests revised version of that document as a atsarting point
Pat suggests revised version of that document as a atsarting point ←
16:18:07 <ivan> s/X/Pat/
16:18:08 <JFB> (pat hayes)
(pat hayes) ←
16:18:10 <sandro> PROPOSED: use http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/ as the starting point for the Turtle work
PROPOSED: use http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/ as the starting point for the Turtle work ←
16:18:15 <manu1> +1
Manu Sporny: +1 ←
16:18:17 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:18:18 <webr3> +1
Nathan Rixham: +1 ←
16:18:18 <FabGandon> +1
Fabien Gandon: +1 ←
16:18:20 <gavinc> +q
Gavin Carothers: +q ←
16:18:21 <JFB> +1
+1 ←
16:18:21 <danbri> +1
Dan Brickley: +1 ←
16:18:22 <mbrunati> +1
Matteo Brunati: +1 ←
16:18:22 <tomayac> +1
Thomas Steiner: +1 ←
16:18:23 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
16:18:23 <mischat> +1
Mischa Tuffield: +1 ←
16:18:26 <AZ> +1
Antoine Zimmermann: +1 ←
16:18:28 <sandro> RESOLVED: use http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/ as the starting point for the Turtle work
RESOLVED: use http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/ as the starting point for the Turtle work ←
16:18:30 <yvesr> +1
Yves Raimond: +1 ←
16:18:37 <JFB> accepted
accepted ←
16:18:50 <gavinc> -q
Gavin Carothers: -q ←
16:18:52 <JFB> zakim, mute me
zakim, mute me ←
16:18:52 <Zakim> JFB should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: JFB should now be muted ←
16:19:17 <sandro> manu1, there is something bizarre going on with access control. Try http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/Overview.html
Sandro Hawke: manu1, there is something bizarre going on with access control. Try http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/Overview.html ←
16:19:18 <danbri> ack danbri?
Dan Brickley: ack danbri? ←
16:19:26 <AxelPolleres> q+
Axel Polleres: q+ ←
16:19:33 <ivan> ack danbri
Ivan Herman: ack danbri ←
16:19:33 <Zakim> danbri, you wanted to ask if we have SPARQL WG members here; could SPARQL 1.1 and Turtle converge with a few tweaks on either side?
Zakim IRC Bot: danbri, you wanted to ask if we have SPARQL WG members here; could SPARQL 1.1 and Turtle converge with a few tweaks on either side? ←
16:19:43 <mischat> SteveH is
Mischa Tuffield: SteveH is ←
16:19:47 <danbri> audible?
Dan Brickley: audible? ←
16:19:50 <mischat> here and on both groups
Mischa Tuffield: here and on both groups ←
16:19:55 <yvesr> NickH is
Yves Raimond: NickH is ←
16:19:58 <danbri> great
Dan Brickley: great ←
16:19:59 <sandro> danbri: do we have SPARQL folks in this WG?
Dan Brickley: do we have SPARQL folks in this WG? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:20:02 <Souri> I am
Souripriya Das: I am ←
16:20:02 <JFB> Is there any SPARQL 1.1 members in the WG?
Is there any SPARQL 1.1 members in the WG? ←
16:20:10 <ivan> ack AxelPolleres
Ivan Herman: ack AxelPolleres ←
16:20:27 <JFB> I don't hear anything....
I don't hear anything.... ←
16:20:34 <sandro> AxelPolleres: Me, LeeF, Souri, (Sandro)
Axel Polleres: Me, LeeF, Souri, (Sandro) [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:20:41 <danbri> axelpolleres - you are a little quiet
Dan Brickley: axelpolleres - you are a little quiet ←
16:21:14 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:21:27 <JFB> Axel, I already got volume problems... now I don't hear anything
Axel, I already got volume problems... now I don't hear anything ←
16:21:28 <pfps> It would be *very* nice if the two syntaxes aligned completely.
Peter Patel-Schneider: It would be *very* nice if the two syntaxes aligned completely. ←
16:21:31 <mischat> +1 to danbri's pov
Mischa Tuffield: +1 to danbri's pov ←
16:21:34 <davidwood> +1
David Wood: +1 ←
16:21:35 <FabGandon> +1 to align Turtle and SPARQL 1.1
Fabien Gandon: +1 to align Turtle and SPARQL 1.1 ←
16:21:42 <AxelPolleres> I'd propose to go for SPARQL's prefix syntax :-)
Axel Polleres: I'd propose to go for SPARQL's prefix syntax :-) ←
16:21:56 <yvesr> that'll break a lot of parsers though...
Yves Raimond: that'll break a lot of parsers though... ←
16:21:57 <pfps> axel: SPARQL syntax and (our) Turtle syntax should align
Axel Polleres: SPARQL syntax and (our) Turtle syntax should align [ Scribe Assist by Peter Patel-Schneider ] ←
16:22:00 <JFB> Aligning sparql1.1 and turtle
Aligning sparql1.1 and turtle ←
16:22:26 <sandro> ISSUE: Is TURTLE the same as SPARQL 1.1 triple syntax?
ISSUE: Is TURTLE the same as SPARQL 1.1 triple syntax? ←
16:22:26 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-1 - Is TURTLE the same as SPARQL 1.1 triple syntax? ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/1/edit .
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-1 - Is TURTLE the same as SPARQL 1.1 triple syntax? ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/1/edit . ←
16:22:27 <PatHayes> +1 to dan's point. And it applies not just to syntx details but also to terminology. Ideally, one of these specs should simply reference the other as normative.
Patrick Hayes: +1 to dan's point. And it applies not just to syntx details but also to terminology. Ideally, one of these specs should simply reference the other as normative. ←
16:22:28 <ivan> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
16:22:36 <JFB> is turtle the sandrome as sparql 1.1 turtle syntax?
is turtle the sandrome as sparql 1.1 turtle syntax? ←
16:22:36 <ivan> Note: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/#sec-diff-sparql
Ivan Herman: Note: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/Turtle/#sec-diff-sparql ←
16:22:55 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:23:00 <AxelPolleres> q?
Axel Polleres: q? ←
16:23:30 <ivan> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
16:23:37 <JFB> Guus: we'll move to this on the next weeks
Guus Schreiber: we'll move to this on the next weeks ←
16:23:46 <AxelPolleres> should be noted that the grammaer in SPARQL1.1 is practically frozen at this point... so if changed form SPARQL's side would be needed, then they'd need to be raised ASAP
Axel Polleres: should be noted that the grammaer in SPARQL1.1 is practically frozen at this point... so if changed form SPARQL's side would be needed, then they'd need to be raised ASAP ←
16:24:20 <sandro> ivan: Eric Prud'hommeaux was looking at the comparison to SPARQL. The IRIs seem to be the difference. (aside from PREFIX, which is an obvious difference.) And whole IRI is a general issue for this group.
Ivan Herman: Eric Prud'hommeaux was looking at the comparison to SPARQL. The IRIs seem to be the difference. (aside from PREFIX, which is an obvious difference.) And whole IRI is a general issue for this group. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:24:21 <mischat> +1 to ivan
Mischa Tuffield: +1 to ivan ←
16:24:32 <JFB> Dan: the syntax with ??? is the main issue, central to this WG
Ivan Herman: the syntax with IRI is the main issue, central to this WG ←
16:24:40 <JFB> IRI
IRI ←
16:24:44 <danbri> rrsagent, pointer?
Dan Brickley: rrsagent, pointer? ←
16:24:50 <sandro> s/???/IRI/
16:24:51 <ivan> s/Dan:/Ivan:/
16:25:01 <sandro> s/Dan/Ivan/
16:25:08 <sandro> zakim, where is cygri?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, where is cygri? ←
16:25:08 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I do not understand your question
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, sandro, I do not understand your question ←
16:25:09 <Zakim> -mischat
Zakim IRC Bot: -mischat ←
16:25:16 <sandro> zakim, is cygri here?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, is cygri here? ←
16:25:16 <Zakim> sandro, I do not see Cygri anywhere
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, I do not see Cygri anywhere ←
16:25:19 <AxelPolleres> ... would be good if all the points that are relevant here would be collected and discussed soon.
Axel Polleres: ... would be good if all the points that are relevant here would be collected and discussed soon. ←
16:25:21 <AlexHall> i'm here
16:25:28 <PatHayes> Alexs point is important. We should rapidly seek any likely future point where our needs might cause us to deviate from SPARQL syntax and bring that to the front of our queue.
Patrick Hayes: Alexs point is important. We should rapidly seek any likely future point where our needs might cause us to deviate from SPARQL syntax and bring that to the front of our queue. ←
16:25:32 <AxelPolleres> (I can ping cygri)
Axel Polleres: (I can ping cygri) ←
16:25:44 <PatHayes> Axel's point, sorry.
Patrick Hayes: Axel's point, sorry. ←
16:25:57 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/02/23-rdf-wg-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/02/23-rdf-wg-irc ←
16:25:58 <Zakim> +??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7 ←
16:26:17 <mischat> zakim, ??P7 is me
Mischa Tuffield: zakim, ??P7 is me ←
16:26:17 <Zakim> +mischat; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mischat; got it ←
16:26:18 <gavinc> Did I miss how we were supposed to "Sign up" for a Task Force?
Gavin Carothers: Did I miss how we were supposed to "Sign up" for a Task Force? ←
16:26:21 <mischat> zakim, mute me
Mischa Tuffield: zakim, mute me ←
16:26:21 <Zakim> mischat should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: mischat should now be muted ←
16:26:38 <JFB> Signing up for the task forces
Signing up for the task forces ←
16:27:04 <sandro> yes, gavinc, the chairs asked us to do that. we're still discovering what that means....
Sandro Hawke: yes, gavinc, the chairs asked us to do that. we're still discovering what that means.... ←
16:27:26 <gavinc> Andy sent regrets last week
Gavin Carothers: Andy sent regrets last week ←
16:27:42 <JFB> zakim, who's on the phone?
zakim, who's on the phone? ←
16:27:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see JFB (muted), dfensel6_ (muted), Scott_Bauer, webr3, Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan, AZ (muted), gavinc (muted), zwu2 (muted), mbrunati, AlexHall, AxelPolleres,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see JFB (muted), dfensel6_ (muted), Scott_Bauer, webr3, Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan, AZ (muted), gavinc (muted), zwu2 (muted), mbrunati, AlexHall, AxelPolleres, ←
16:27:46 <Zakim> ... Guus, manu1, Sandro, FabGandon, Dzung_Tran?, Souri, yvesr, davidwood, PatH, cmatheus, mischat (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Guus, manu1, Sandro, FabGandon, Dzung_Tran?, Souri, yvesr, davidwood, PatH, cmatheus, mischat (muted) ←
16:27:48 <Zakim> Guus has DanBri
Zakim IRC Bot: Guus has DanBri ←
16:27:59 <zwu2> I will make a decision a bit later
Zhe Wu: I will make a decision a bit later ←
16:28:24 <JFB> decide rapidly if we want to invite other experts
decide rapidly if we want to invite other experts ←
16:28:29 <yvesr> inviting dajobe as an invited expert?
Yves Raimond: inviting dajobe as an invited expert? ←
16:28:46 <danbri> +1 on dajobe if he has time
Dan Brickley: +1 on dajobe if he has time ←
16:28:59 <yvesr> ivan: good
Ivan Herman: good [ Scribe Assist by Yves Raimond ] ←
16:29:22 <danbri> q?
Dan Brickley: q? ←
16:29:41 <JFB> Topic: JSON Task Force
16:29:46 <Zakim> -dfensel6_
Zakim IRC Bot: -dfensel6_ ←
16:29:52 <JFB> issue: identifying a document
ISSUE: identifying a document ←
16:29:52 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-2 - Identifying a document ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/2/edit .
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-2 - Identifying a document ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/2/edit . ←
16:30:03 <manu1> q+ to suggest discussion and then possibly JSON-LD spec.
Manu Sporny: q+ to suggest discussion and then possibly JSON-LD spec. ←
16:30:26 <yvesr> talis json as a starting point
Yves Raimond: talis json as a starting point ←
16:31:23 <JFB> Guus: as a personal opinion , Talis
David Wood: as a personal opinion , Talis ←
16:31:41 <Zakim> +dfensel6_
Zakim IRC Bot: +dfensel6_ ←
16:31:44 <JFB> serialization is less useful than ...
serialization is less useful than ... ←
16:32:16 <JFB> we should aim at the web authoring community
we should aim at the web authoring community ←
16:32:33 <AZ> s/Guus/davidwood/
16:32:37 <gavinc> That does seem to cross the boundries with a possible recharter of the RDFa WG?
Gavin Carothers: That does seem to cross the boundries with a possible recharter of the RDFa WG? ←
16:33:16 <webr3> q+ to say we have two needs
Nathan Rixham: q+ to say we have two needs ←
16:33:20 <JFB> Manu: basic questions, then decide which document
Manu Sporny: basic questions, then decide which document ←
16:33:35 <JFB> get rdf into hands of non rdf people
get rdf into hands of non rdf people ←
16:33:37 <tomayac> +1 for focusing on john doe web dev, do not req. rdf knowledge imho.
Thomas Steiner: +1 for focusing on john doe web dev, do not req. rdf knowledge imho. ←
16:33:44 <PatHayes> David: are your two options necessarily divergent? Or can we do both?
Patrick Hayes: David, are your two options necessarily divergent? Or can we do both? ←
16:34:11 <JFB> give a limited subset to rdf developers
give a limited subset to rdf developers ←
16:34:24 <sandro> s/David:/David,/
16:34:32 <PatHayes> Tnx
Patrick Hayes: Tnx ←
16:34:47 <PatHayes> David, see earlier IRC line.
Patrick Hayes: David, see earlier IRC line. ←
16:34:55 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking? ←
16:35:09 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus (19%), AxelPolleres (5%)
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Guus (19%), AxelPolleres (5%) ←
16:35:29 <davidwood> PatHayes: We could do both, if we want to serve both the SemWeb and Web author communities. That seems to me to be within the charter (and possibly a good idea).
Patrick Hayes: We could do both, if we want to serve both the SemWeb and Web author communities. That seems to me to be within the charter (and possibly a good idea). [ Scribe Assist by David Wood ] ←
16:35:44 <JFB> sandro: ? your view on your input and lightweight json
Sandro Hawke: ? your view on your input and lightweight json ←
16:35:45 <webr3> q-
Nathan Rixham: q- ←
16:35:59 <cmatheus> +1 pat
Christopher Matheus: +1 pat ←
16:36:04 <webr3> q+
Nathan Rixham: q+ ←
16:36:08 <gavinc> Does the JSON syntax need to be the easy to use form?
Gavin Carothers: Does the JSON syntax need to be the easy to use form? ←
16:36:09 <manu1> q-
Manu Sporny: q- ←
16:36:20 <PatHayes> Todays burden is tomorrow's opportunity :-)
Patrick Hayes: Todays burden is tomorrow's opportunity :-) ←
16:36:20 <JFB> Manu: limited subset to give to RDF developers, that's the important point
Manu Sporny: limited subset to give to RDF developers, that's the important point ←
16:36:45 <JFB> zakim, who is talking?
zakim, who is talking? ←
16:36:56 <Zakim> JFB, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: webr3 (99%)
Zakim IRC Bot: JFB, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: webr3 (99%) ←
16:37:19 <JFB> Nathan: simple object view of rdf
Nathan Rixham: simple object view of rdf ←
16:37:20 <sandro> sandro: I think the most import thing is is giving JSON users easy access to RDF
Sandro Hawke: I think the most import thing is is giving JSON users easy access to RDF [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:37:42 <Guus> q?
Guus Schreiber: q? ←
16:37:49 <ivan> ack webr3
Ivan Herman: ack webr3 ←
16:37:50 <manu1> I have strong feelings against another full-blown serialization of RDF in JSON (machine-optimized version).
Manu Sporny: I have strong feelings against another full-blown serialization of RDF in JSON (machine-optimized version). ←
16:37:52 <JFB> one version for machines, one for humans
one version for machines, one for humans ←
16:38:17 <PatHayes> sandro, I agree, but hope that this could be a step towards a fuller serialization rather than incompatible with it.
Patrick Hayes: sandro, I agree, but hope that this could be a step towards a fuller serialization rather than incompatible with it. ←
16:38:30 <manu1> I think TURTLE is a fantastic full-blown serialization of RDF (that is both human and machine-optimized) - I don't think JSON needs to re-invent that wheel.
Manu Sporny: I think TURTLE is a fantastic full-blown serialization of RDF (that is both human and machine-optimized) - I don't think JSON needs to re-invent that wheel. ←
16:39:02 <davidwood> sandro: It would be nice to have one OWL, too :)
Sandro Hawke: It would be nice to have one OWL, too :) [ Scribe Assist by David Wood ] ←
16:39:06 <yvesr> maybe the answer is to not 'restrict' json but rather add a optional 'uri' attribute on JSON objects allowing to extract RDF from JSON? (GRDDL for JSON?)
Yves Raimond: maybe the answer is to not 'restrict' json but rather add a optional 'uri' attribute on JSON objects allowing to extract RDF from JSON? (GRDDL for JSON?) ←
16:39:35 <manu1> +1 to Sandro's point - we need to come up with something that can be minimal and scale to full-blown.
Manu Sporny: +1 to Sandro's point - we need to come up with something that can be minimal and scale to full-blown. ←
16:40:31 <sandro> manu1: Yes, JSON-LD has that design goal Sandro is talking about, where you can start small and simple, but it expands when you want full RDF.
Manu Sporny: Yes, JSON-LD has that design goal Sandro is talking about, where you can start small and simple, but it expands when you want full RDF. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:40:34 <PatHayes> Sounds like we are all in violent agreement.
Patrick Hayes: Sounds like we are all in violent agreement. ←
16:40:56 <JFB> Guus: take another week to discuss contribute
Guus Schreiber: take another week to discuss contribute ←
16:40:56 <gavinc> As long as we don't mention prefixes ;)
Gavin Carothers: As long as we don't mention prefixes ;) ←
16:41:04 <webr3> PatHayes, it does - all have the same end goals
Nathan Rixham: PatHayes, it does - all have the same end goals ←
16:41:08 <Zakim> -mischat
Zakim IRC Bot: -mischat ←
16:41:22 <manu1> I also want to point out that there are some ugly things in JSON-LD - the basics work, but it's not done (because we wanted input from RDF WG).
Manu Sporny: I also want to point out that there are some ugly things in JSON-LD - the basics work, but it's not done (because we wanted input from RDF WG). ←
16:41:32 <JFB> Then we will take the starting point that best fits our goals
Then we will take the starting point that best fits our goals ←
16:41:39 <JFB> in one or two weeks
in one or two weeks ←
16:41:44 <sandro> guus: In the next week or two, let's decide on a starting point.
Guus Schreiber: In the next week or two, let's decide on a starting point. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:42:04 <Zakim> +??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←
16:42:16 <mischat> zakim , ??P3 is me
Mischa Tuffield: zakim , ??P3 is me ←
16:42:20 <mischat> zakim, mute me
Mischa Tuffield: zakim, mute me ←
16:42:20 <Zakim> sorry, mischat, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, mischat, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
16:42:40 <manu1> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-JSON
Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF-JSON ←
16:42:45 <mischat> zakim, ??P3 is me
Mischa Tuffield: zakim, ??P3 is me ←
16:42:45 <Zakim> +mischat; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mischat; got it ←
16:42:48 <mischat> zakim, mute me
Mischa Tuffield: zakim, mute me ←
16:42:48 <Zakim> mischat should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: mischat should now be muted ←
16:42:49 <manu1> (I don't have the link to the big page yet)
Manu Sporny: (I don't have the link to the big page yet) ←
16:43:13 <JFB> Will contribute to the JSON wiki: Nathan, manu, Andy?, ???
Will contribute to the JSON wiki: Nathan, manu, Andy?, Thomas ←
16:43:22 <ivan> s/???/Thomas/
16:43:27 <mischat> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF_interests
Mischa Tuffield: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/TF_interests ←
16:43:54 <JFB> + david and sandro
+ david and sandro ←
16:44:16 <cmatheus> I also volunteer to be in on JSON task force
Christopher Matheus: I also volunteer to be in on JSON task force ←
16:44:26 <JFB> + cmatheus
+ cmatheus ←
16:44:32 <mbrunati> clear
Matteo Brunati: clear ←
16:45:02 <JFB>Topic: Graphs Task Force
16:45:11 <AlexHall> q+
16:45:16 <JFB> a bit more complicated
a bit more complicated ←
16:45:58 <manu1> q+ to chat about GRAPH work
Manu Sporny: q+ to chat about GRAPH work ←
16:46:01 <PatHayes> q+
Patrick Hayes: q+ ←
16:46:16 <JFB> questions we should ask?
questions we should ask? ←
16:46:17 <gavinc> Part of the issue may be that even without a spec people have been using them? And SPARQL does have a spec for how GRAPH works with it?
Gavin Carothers: Part of the issue may be that even without a spec people have been using them? And SPARQL does have a spec for how GRAPH works with it? ←
16:46:17 <danbri> q+ to characterise the sparql approach as 'wrapping something around RDF-as-is'
Dan Brickley: q+ to characterise the sparql approach as 'wrapping something around RDF-as-is' ←
16:46:37 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
16:46:47 <gavinc> Jeremy is under the weather
Gavin Carothers: Jeremy is under the weather ←
16:46:49 <danbri> q?
Dan Brickley: q? ←
16:47:01 <ivan> ack AlexHall
Ivan Herman: ack AlexHall ←
16:47:03 <JFB> Alex:
16:47:09 <pfps> pfps: I'm not particularly happy with any of the starting documents for graphs.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I'm not particularly happy with any of the starting documents for graphs. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Patel-Schneider ] ←
16:47:31 <sandro> AlexHall: I don't see a clear statement of what the problem we're trying to solve is
Alex Hall: I don't see a clear statement of what the problem we're trying to solve is [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:47:34 <JFB> what is the pb we're trying to solve?
what is the pb we're trying to solve? ←
16:47:36 <pfps> +1 to AlexHall
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to AlexHall ←
16:47:40 <sandro> +1 AlexHall Let's Start with Use Cases
Sandro Hawke: +1 AlexHall Let's Start with Use Cases ←
16:47:46 <PatHayes> +1 to AlexHall
Patrick Hayes: +1 to AlexHall ←
16:47:53 <pfps> q+
16:47:54 <webr3> +1 to Axel (andFabgandon)
Nathan Rixham: +1 to Axel (andFabgandon) ←
16:48:11 <pfps> q+ to try to figure out *why* we are going beyond triples
Peter Patel-Schneider: q+ to try to figure out *why* we are going beyond triples ←
16:48:13 <yvesr> is SPARQL actually properly defining graphs anywhere?
Yves Raimond: is SPARQL actually properly defining graphs anywhere? ←
16:48:13 <sandro> q+ to argue for use cases
Sandro Hawke: q+ to argue for use cases ←
16:48:18 <ivan> ack manu1
Ivan Herman: ack manu1 ←
16:48:18 <Zakim> manu1, you wanted to chat about GRAPH work
Zakim IRC Bot: manu1, you wanted to chat about GRAPH work ←
16:48:22 <JFB> Manu:
16:48:34 <JFB> digital signatures on data
digital signatures on data ←
16:48:50 <JFB> graphs that change over time
graphs that change over time ←
16:48:53 <sandro> manu: We want named graphs and graph literals for digital signatures, and in financial services we need a way to freeze graphs and talk about their change over time.
Manu Sporny: We want named graphs and graph literals for digital signatures, and in financial services we need a way to freeze graphs and talk about their change over time. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:49:07 <AxelPolleres> one need is to have "hook" for saying something about graphs/sets or triples, such as signatures (as Manu) mentions, temporal and other annotaitons.... especially as the workshop has pointed in the direciton of dprecating reification
Axel Polleres: one need is to have "hook" for saying something about graphs/sets or triples, such as signatures (as Manu) mentions, temporal and other annotaitons.... especially as the workshop has pointed in the direciton of dprecating reification ←
16:49:08 <sandro> manu: Nathan did a lot of work on this for the RDFa API
Manu Sporny: Nathan did a lot of work on this for the RDFa API [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:49:10 <pfps> here we go ... named graphs for attribution vs named graphs for intent
Peter Patel-Schneider: here we go ... named graphs for attribution vs named graphs for intent ←
16:49:18 <danbri> nearby: Toby's RDFa draft, http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/rdfa4/spec
Dan Brickley: nearby: Toby's RDFa draft, http://buzzword.org.uk/2009/rdfa4/spec ←
16:49:29 <Guus> q?
Guus Schreiber: q? ←
16:49:36 <PatHayes> Also, there is right now no such thing as a graph that changes with time.
Patrick Hayes: Also, there is right now no such thing as a graph that changes with time. ←
16:49:54 <danbri> q-
Dan Brickley: q- ←
16:49:59 <sandro> PatHayes, there multiple meanings of the word "graph" :-)
Sandro Hawke: PatHayes, there multiple meanings of the word "graph" :-) ←
16:50:00 <JFB> we should go with an initial document (condensed use cases?)
we should go with an initial document (condensed use cases?) ←
16:50:18 <sandro> q-
Sandro Hawke: q- ←
16:50:30 <pfps> q- as the discussion is bringing up the divergence
Peter Patel-Schneider: q- as the discussion is bringing up the divergence ←
16:50:34 <pfps> q-
16:50:45 <JFB> Pat Hayes:
Pat Hayes: ←
16:51:06 <sandro> PatHayes: I want to emphasize what Alex said. The various proposals are solving subtely different problems.
Patrick Hayes: I want to emphasize what Alex said. The various proposals are solving subtely different problems. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:51:09 <JFB> various proposals solve different problems
various proposals solve different problems ←
16:51:10 <ivan> ack PatHayes
Ivan Herman: ack PatHayes ←
16:51:12 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
16:51:23 <JFB> need clarification
need clarification ←
16:51:33 <manu1> I agree, we do need clarifications on basic RDF concepts - merging graphs, etc.
Manu Sporny: I agree, we do need clarifications on basic RDF concepts - merging graphs, etc. ←
16:51:36 <pfps> +1 to Pat's call for clarification
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to Pat's call for clarification ←
16:51:38 <sandro> pat: if a graph gets merged into a big triple store, can I still find it
Patrick Hayes: if a graph gets merged into a big triple store, can I still find it [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:51:44 <JFB> example: is a merged graph still an identifiable graph
example: is a merged graph still an identifiable graph ←
16:51:53 <danbri> +1
Dan Brickley: +1 ←
16:51:53 <sandro> pat: and manu said graphs change with time, but they can't.
Patrick Hayes: and manu said graphs change with time, but they can't. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:51:56 <gavinc> +1
Gavin Carothers: +1 ←
16:52:03 <JFB> in rdf graphs are sets that don't change
in rdf graphs are sets that don't change ←
16:52:04 <zwu2> +1 PatHayes
16:52:12 <sandro> q-
Sandro Hawke: q- ←
16:52:30 <FabGandon> +1 to use cases
Fabien Gandon: +1 to use cases ←
16:52:32 <sandro> pat: we need a collection of clear use cases
Patrick Hayes: we need a collection of clear use cases [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:52:41 <JFB> consensus on the usefulness of use cases?
consensus on the usefulness of use cases? ←
16:52:42 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
16:52:44 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:52:48 <pfps> I don't know about a *large* collection of use cases - perhaps a moderate number of use cases would be better
Peter Patel-Schneider: I don't know about a *large* collection of use cases - perhaps a moderate number of use cases would be better ←
16:52:51 <danbri> nearby: w3c provenance incubator report: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/XGR-prov-20101214/ (and a WG is currently being proposed)
Dan Brickley: nearby: w3c provenance incubator report: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/XGR-prov-20101214/ (and a WG is currently being proposed) ←
16:52:52 <PatHayes> Pfps, then you need to check your set theory books again :-)
Patrick Hayes: Pfps, then you need to check your set theory books again :-) ←
16:53:02 <danbri> check the XG report for use cases
Dan Brickley: check the XG report for use cases ←
16:53:14 <sandro> I'd like a *small* and *succinct* collection of use cases, if that's at all possible.
Sandro Hawke: I'd like a *small* and *succinct* collection of use cases, if that's at all possible. ←
16:53:21 <AxelPolleres> �Are you talking about mutable graph stores? please cf. the work in SPARQL1.1 http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ (note that this is an Editor's draft)
Axel Polleres: �Are you talking about mutable graph stores? please cf. the work in SPARQL1.1 http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/http-rdf-update/ (note that this is an Editor's draft) ←
16:53:30 <yvesr> we (bbc) can contribute use-cases
Yves Raimond: we (bbc) can contribute use-cases ←
16:53:34 <AxelPolleres> +1 to ivan
Axel Polleres: +1 to ivan ←
16:53:37 <JFB> can someone explain the way sparqle uses named grzaphs?
Ivan Herman: can someone explain the way sparqle uses named grzaphs? ←
16:53:48 <AxelPolleres> q+
Axel Polleres: q+ ←
16:53:49 <PatHayes> pfps, maybe not, but right now thats what the specs say.
Patrick Hayes: pfps, maybe not, but right now thats what the specs say. ←
16:53:49 <sandro> s/can/ivan: can/
16:53:54 <FabGandon> +1 to link to GRAPH / FROM / FROM NAME
Fabien Gandon: +1 to link to GRAPH / FROM / FROM NAME ←
16:53:54 <sandro> ack ivan
Sandro Hawke: ack ivan ←
16:54:02 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
16:54:02 <Guus> ack
Guus Schreiber: ack ←
16:54:13 <JFB> Ivan, then...
Ivan, then... ←
16:54:15 <Guus> ack
Guus Schreiber: ack ←
16:54:28 <Guus> ack AxelPolleres
Guus Schreiber: ack AxelPolleres ←
16:55:14 <sandro> AxelPolleres: SPARQL has datasets which are a good basis for this work. Also, "changes of graphs" are addressed in SPARQL 1.1 update.
Axel Polleres: SPARQL has datasets which are a good basis for this work. Also, "changes of graphs" are addressed in SPARQL 1.1 update. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:55:50 <JFB> action for use case format
action for use case format ←
16:55:50 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - for
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - for ←
16:56:14 <JFB> who?
who? ←
16:56:16 <PatHayes> sandro, our work is to fix RDF. Right now the RDF specs say a grraph is a set. Sets do not change with time. SPARQL can say what it likes, but if it says a set can change with time then it is just flat wrong.
Patrick Hayes: sandro, our work is to fix RDF. Right now the RDF specs say a grraph is a set. Sets do not change with time. SPARQL can say what it likes, but if it says a set can change with time then it is just flat wrong. ←
16:56:20 <JFB> Fabien
Fabien ←
16:56:22 <gavinc> Willing to provide some use cases as well
Gavin Carothers: Willing to provide some use cases as well ←
16:56:36 <ivan> action: Guus to provide a use case format
ACTION: Guus to provide a use case format ←
16:56:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1 - Provide a use case format [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-03-02].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-1 - Provide a use case format [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-03-02]. ←
16:56:40 <JFB> and Gavin
and Gavin ←
16:57:21 <Zakim> -mischat
Zakim IRC Bot: -mischat ←
16:57:21 <JFB> Fabien, Manu and Gavin will contribute
Fabien, Manu and Gavin will contribute ←
16:57:26 <manu1> ACTION: Manu to provide use cases for temporal graphs and digital signatures on graphs.
ACTION: Manu to provide use cases for temporal graphs and digital signatures on graphs. ←
16:57:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2 - Provide use cases for temporal graphs and digital signatures on graphs. [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-03-02].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-2 - Provide use cases for temporal graphs and digital signatures on graphs. [on Manu Sporny - due 2011-03-02]. ←
16:57:34 <ivan> action: Fabien to provide a use case for graphs
ACTION: Fabien to provide a use case for graphs ←
16:57:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3 - Provide a use case for graphs [on Fabien Gandon - due 2011-03-02].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-3 - Provide a use case for graphs [on Fabien Gandon - due 2011-03-02]. ←
16:57:38 <danbri> action: danbri, draft a use case for named graphs from FOAF work
ACTION: danbri, draft a use case for named graphs from FOAF work ←
16:57:38 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - danbri,
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - danbri, ←
16:57:44 <danbri> action: danbri draft a use case for named graphs from FOAF work
ACTION: danbri draft a use case for named graphs from FOAF work ←
16:57:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-4 - Draft a use case for named graphs from FOAF work [on Dan Brickley - due 2011-03-02].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-4 - Draft a use case for named graphs from FOAF work [on Dan Brickley - due 2011-03-02]. ←
16:58:15 <yvesr> action: yvesr draft a use case for named graphs from BBC work
ACTION: yvesr draft a use case for named graphs from BBC work ←
16:58:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-5 - Draft a use case for named graphs from BBC work [on Yves Raimond - due 2011-03-02].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-5 - Draft a use case for named graphs from BBC work [on Yves Raimond - due 2011-03-02]. ←
16:58:16 <gavinc> I'm happy to provide the ones from Jermey
Gavin Carothers: I'm happy to provide the ones from Jermey ←
16:58:18 <webr3> I'll take up an action to write a wiki page clarifying the difference in the approaches, and possible tie to the use cases others write up (which falls where) - if that's useful
Nathan Rixham: I'll take up an action to write a wiki page clarifying the difference in the approaches, and possible tie to the use cases others write up (which falls where) - if that's useful ←
16:58:23 <ivan> action: PatHayes to provide a use case for graphs
ACTION: PatHayes to provide a use case for graphs ←
16:58:23 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - PatHayes
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16:58:25 <Zakim> +Luca
Zakim IRC Bot: +Luca ←
16:58:25 <JFB> list of use cases: Jeremy, PAt
list of use cases: Jeremy, PAt ←
16:58:41 <pchampin> zakim, Luca is me
Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, Luca is me ←
16:58:41 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it
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16:58:50 <ivan> action: hayes to provide use case for graphs
ACTION: hayes to provide use case for graphs ←
16:58:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-6 - Provide use case for graphs [on Patrick Hayes - due 2011-03-02].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-6 - Provide use case for graphs [on Patrick Hayes - due 2011-03-02]. ←
16:59:29 <webr3> action: nathan to write a wiki page clarifying the difference in the common approaches (named/literal)
ACTION: nathan to write a wiki page clarifying the difference in the common approaches (named/literal) ←
16:59:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-7 - Write a wiki page clarifying the difference in the common approaches (named/literal) [on Nathan Rixham - due 2011-03-02].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-7 - Write a wiki page clarifying the difference in the common approaches (named/literal) [on Nathan Rixham - due 2011-03-02]. ←
16:59:39 <ivan> action: bauer to provide a use case for graphs
ACTION: bauer to provide a use case for graphs ←
16:59:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-8 - Provide a use case for graphs [on Scott Bauer - due 2011-03-02].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-8 - Provide a use case for graphs [on Scott Bauer - due 2011-03-02]. ←
16:59:54 <Zakim> +??P41
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17:00:11 <mischat> zakim, ??P41 is me
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17:00:12 <Zakim> +mischat; got it
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17:00:13 <dfensel6_> yes
Dieter Fensel: yes ←
17:00:18 <mischat> zakim, mute me
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17:00:18 <Zakim> mischat should now be muted
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17:00:20 <dfensel6_> zakim, unmute
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17:00:21 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmute', dfensel6_
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17:00:31 <dfensel6_> yes
Dieter Fensel: yes ←
17:00:42 <JFB> use cases: olivier corby will surely contribute, and fensel
use cases: olivier corby will surely contribute, and fensel ←
17:01:01 <ivan> action: hall to provide a revelytrix use case for graphs
ACTION: hall to provide a revelytrix use case for graphs ←
17:01:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-9 - Provide a revelytrix use case for graphs [on Alex Hall - due 2011-03-02].
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17:01:08 <mischat> zakim, unmute me
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17:01:24 <mischat> zakim, mute me
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17:01:47 <ivan> action: pfps to come up with something on use cases for graphs
ACTION: pfps to come up with something on use cases for graphs ←
17:01:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-10 - Come up with something on use cases for graphs [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2011-03-02].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-10 - Come up with something on use cases for graphs [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2011-03-02]. ←
17:02:16 <yvesr> q+
Yves Raimond: q+ ←
17:02:20 <mischat> action: mischat to provide Garlik pov re: use-cases with SteveH
ACTION: mischat to provide Garlik pov re: use-cases with SteveH ←
17:02:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-11 - Provide Garlik pov re: use-cases with SteveH [on Mischa Tuffield - due 2011-03-02].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-11 - Provide Garlik pov re: use-cases with SteveH [on Mischa Tuffield - due 2011-03-02]. ←
17:02:58 <JFB> Nathan starts wikipage for use cases?
Nathan starts wikipage for use cases? ←
17:03:24 <AZ> I'm here
Antoine Zimmermann: I'm here ←
17:03:33 <AZ> zakim, unmute me
Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, unmute me ←
17:03:33 <Zakim> AZ should no longer be muted
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17:03:38 <yvesr> q-
Yves Raimond: q- ←
17:04:00 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
17:04:27 <AZ> zakim, mute me
Antoine Zimmermann: zakim, mute me ←
17:04:27 <Zakim> AZ should now be muted
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17:04:39 <FabGandon> +1 to link to Provenance XG
Fabien Gandon: +1 to link to Provenance XG ←
17:04:49 <ivan> action: guus to talk to paul groth to get a provenance use case for graphs
ACTION: guus to talk to paul groth to get a provenance use case for graphs ←
17:04:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-12 - Talk to paul groth to get a provenance use case for graphs [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-03-02].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-12 - Talk to paul groth to get a provenance use case for graphs [on Guus Schreiber - due 2011-03-02]. ←
17:04:55 <mischat> +1 to liase with pgroth
Mischa Tuffield: +1 to liase with pgroth ←
17:05:11 <webr3> q.. i can still add use cases without taking on an action to do so, yes?
Nathan Rixham: q.. i can still add use cases without taking on an action to do so, yes? ←
17:06:13 <PatHayes> I am muted. I swear, I am muted.
Patrick Hayes: I am muted. I swear, I am muted. ←
17:06:28 <JFB> Other problems to address?
Other problems to address? ←
17:08:18 <danbri> issue: Between us, we need to study the feedback we got via http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/ on the previous round of specs (and errata)
ISSUE: Between us, we need to study the feedback we got via http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/ on the previous round of specs (and errata) ←
17:08:18 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-3 - Between us, we need to study the feedback we got via http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/ on the previous round of specs (and errata) ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/3/edit .
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-3 - Between us, we need to study the feedback we got via http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/ on the previous round of specs (and errata) ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/issues/3/edit . ←
17:08:23 <Zakim> -yvesr
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17:08:24 <Zakim> -davidwood
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17:08:26 <Zakim> -PatH
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17:08:29 <mbrunati> ok, bye
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17:08:35 <AZ> bye
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17:08:42 <ivan> zakim, drop me
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17:09:06 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
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17:09:10 <Zakim> -AZ
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17:09:16 <Zakim> SW_RDFWG()11:00AM has ended
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17:09:19 <Zakim> Attendees were davidwood, Scott_Bauer, webr3, Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan, AZ, JFB, +1.707.861.aadd, gavinc, +1.443.212.aaee, AxelPolleres, AlexHall, zwu2, Sandro, manu1, mbrunati,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were davidwood, Scott_Bauer, webr3, Peter_Patel-Schneider, Ivan, AZ, JFB, +1.707.861.aadd, gavinc, +1.443.212.aaee, AxelPolleres, AlexHall, zwu2, Sandro, manu1, mbrunati, ←
17:09:21 <Zakim> ... FabGandon, +1.404.978.aaff, Souri, DanBri, yvesr, dfensel6_, also, Jeremy, PatH, cmatheus, mischat, pchampin
Zakim IRC Bot: ... FabGandon, +1.404.978.aaff, Souri, DanBri, yvesr, dfensel6_, also, Jeremy, PatH, cmatheus, mischat, pchampin ←
17:12:28 <sandro> JFB, there was a mistake made in the setup for the meeting which will complicate the next step with scribing -- I'll take care of it, then send you email.
Sandro Hawke: JFB, there was a mistake made in the setup for the meeting which will complicate the next step with scribing -- I'll take care of it, then send you email. ←
17:12:41 <sandro> (not your mistake -- a chairs/staff mistake)
Sandro Hawke: (not your mistake -- a chairs/staff mistake) ←
17:13:09 <danbri> (rrsagent missing?)
Dan Brickley: (rrsagent missing?) ←
17:13:22 <sandro> yep :)
Sandro Hawke: yep :) ←
17:13:25 <davidwood> ugh!
David Wood: ugh! ←
17:13:28 <davidwood> Sorry
David Wood: Sorry ←
17:13:39 <davidwood> Thanks, Sandro
David Wood: Thanks, Sandro ←
17:16:53 <danbri> re json, ... do / in URIs need to be escaped?
Dan Brickley: re json, ... do / in URIs need to be escaped? ←
17:17:06 <danbri> i've seen http:\/\/ but not sure if mandatory
Dan Brickley: i've seen http:\/\/ but not sure if mandatory ←
17:18:04 <webr3> danbri, in JSON yes, but many author JSON as JS objects then JSON.encode it (which does that)
Nathan Rixham: danbri, in JSON yes, but many author JSON as JS objects then JSON.encode it (which does that) ←
17:18:27 <sandro> danbri, you mean quotes are not being used?
Sandro Hawke: danbri, you mean quotes are not being used? ←
17:19:39 <danbri> with quotes
Dan Brickley: with quotes ←
17:20:13 <danbri> i guess i saw some examples without the escaping
Dan Brickley: i guess i saw some examples without the escaping ←
17:20:26 <webr3> well, it's optional infact
Nathan Rixham: well, it's optional infact ←
17:20:38 <danbri> gotta run
Dan Brickley: gotta run ←
17:20:39 <webr3> but \ always needs encoded (not /)
Nathan Rixham: but \ always needs encoded (not /) ←
17:21:13 <webr3> just for anybody following valid: { "foo": "http://example.org/" }
Nathan Rixham: just for anybody following valid: { "foo": "http://example.org/" } ←
17:22:12 <webr3> also valid: { "foo": "http:\/\/example.org\/" }
Nathan Rixham: also valid: { "foo": "http:\/\/example.org\/" } ←
17:22:38 <webr3> invalid: { "foo": "\wrong slash\" }
Nathan Rixham: invalid: { "foo": "\wrong slash\" } ←
17:23:16 <davidwood> yeah, ok
David Wood: yeah, ok ←
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