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Provenance Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 11 April 2013

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.04.11
Seen
Craig Trim, Daniel Garijo, Graham Klyne, Hook Hua, Ivan Herman, James Cheney, Khalid Belhajjame, Luc Moreau, Paul Groth, Sam Coppens, Satya Sahoo, Simon Miles, Stephan Zednik, Stian Soiland-Reyes, Ted Thibodeau, Tom De Nies, Trung Huynh
Regrets
Ivan Herman, Tom De Nies, Sam Coppens
Chair
Luc Moreau
Scribe
Simon Miles
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. the minutes of last week's teleconference link
  2. to publish prov-aq as a Working Group note. link
  3. to publish prov-links as a Working Group note link
  4. to publish prov-implementations as a Working Group note link
  5. to publish prov-sem as a Working Group note link
Topics
  1. Admin

    Minutes of April 4 Telcon were approved

  2. PR Voting

    PR voting by W3C members closed. Votes were all positive except for 1 abstention.

  3. all publications

    Editors were asked to update http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PublicationRequestApril30 with information for the final publication request.

  4. REC are staged

    All recommendations are staged. The group was asked to perform a sanity check on the documents (typos, grammar, missing links, etc). James, Simon, Khalid, Dong, Satya agreed to perform the check.

  5. prov-aq

    Discussion of status of prov-aq. There were no blocking issues but changes were still being implemented and acknowledgments need to be provided. The group voted to release the document as a working group note.

  6. prov-primer

    Noted that the primer was already voted to be published as a working group note at the last telco.

  7. PROV-LINKS

    For PROV-Links, Luc addressed all the suggestions and responded to reviewers. The group voted to publish PROV-Links as a working group note.

  8. prov-implementations

    The group voted to publish prov-implemenations as a working group note

  9. prov-dc

    Discussion about the blocking issues from Stian on prov-dc. In particular, a discussion was had about whether dct:isVersionOf is equivalent to prov:wasRevisionOf. Stian was asked to provide examples of the case where this is not the case. In addition, there was a discussion about whether dct:references should be a sub-property of Influence. The argument was made that this is not following our recommended practice of not using influence. On the other hand, there was an argument that being a sub-property of derivation was too much ontological commitment. Stian agreed not to block on leaving dct:references as a sub-property of prov:wasDerivedFrom.

  10. prov-dictionary

    a vote on prov-dictionary wad delayed until next week.

  11. prov-sem

    The group voted to publish PROV-SEM as a working group note.

  12. prov-xml

    Changes are still being processed. It was decided to delay the vote until next week.

  13. prov-overview

    Paul asked for a quick review of prov-overview. James and Daniel agreed to have a look.

  14. provenance of documents

    editors should check whether the provenance produced by Luc is correct for their documents.

  15. Closing issues in tracker

    The editors were asked to ensure that all issues in the tracker were addressed is some fashion. There were several issues in the tracker around the best practice cook-book. Tim was actioned to look at these issues.

14:56:06 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/04/11-prov-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/04/11-prov-irc

14:56:08 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world

14:56:10 <Luc> Zakim, this will be PROV

Luc Moreau: Zakim, this will be PROV

14:56:10 <Zakim> ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

14:56:10 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be PROV

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be PROV

14:56:11 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:56:11 <trackbot> Date: 11 April 2013
14:56:12 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

14:56:18 <Luc> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.04.11
14:56:28 <Luc> Chair: Luc Moreau
14:56:56 <Luc> rrsagent, make logs public

Luc Moreau: rrsagent, make logs public

14:57:15 <Luc> Regrets: Ivan Herman, Tom De Nies, Sam Coppens
14:57:32 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started

14:57:33 <Luc> rrsagent, make logs public

Luc Moreau: rrsagent, make logs public

14:57:39 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:57:40 <Luc> Topic: Admin

1. Admin

Summary: Minutes of April 4 Telcon were approved

<pgroth> Summary: Minutes of April 4 Telcon were approved
14:57:48 <Zakim> +CraigTrim

Zakim IRC Bot: +CraigTrim

14:57:50 <pgroth> Zakim, [IPCaller] is me

Paul Groth: Zakim, [IPCaller] is me

14:57:50 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pgroth; got it

14:59:09 <Zakim> +??P9

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9

14:59:37 <Zakim> +??P13

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13

14:59:45 <stain> Zakim, ??P9 is stain

Stian Soiland-Reyes: Zakim, ??P9 is stain

14:59:45 <Zakim> +stain; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +stain; got it

14:59:56 <stain> Zakim, ??P9 is also khalid

Stian Soiland-Reyes: Zakim, ??P9 is also khalid

14:59:57 <Zakim> +jcheney

Zakim IRC Bot: +jcheney

14:59:57 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P9 is also khalid', stain

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '??P9 is also khalid', stain

15:00:07 <smiles> ??P13 is smiles

Simon Miles: ??P13 is smiles

15:00:14 <smiles> zakim, ??P13 is smiles

Simon Miles: zakim, ??P13 is smiles

15:00:15 <Zakim> +smiles; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +smiles; got it

15:01:35 <stain> Zakim, stain is with khalid

Stian Soiland-Reyes: Zakim, stain is with khalid

15:01:35 <Zakim> sorry, stain, I do not recognize a party named 'khalid'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, stain, I do not recognize a party named 'khalid'

15:02:06 <Luc> hi, scribe is required please

Luc Moreau: hi, scribe is required please

15:02:09 <stain> Zakim, stain is with Khalid Belhajjame

Stian Soiland-Reyes: Zakim, stain is with Khalid Belhajjame

15:02:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'stain is with Khalid Belhajjame', stain

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'stain is with Khalid Belhajjame', stain

15:02:13 <Zakim> +Luc

Zakim IRC Bot: +Luc

15:02:20 <smiles> I can scribe today

Simon Miles: I can scribe today

15:02:24 <Luc> thanks simon

Luc Moreau: thanks simon

15:02:27 <Luc> scribe: smiles

(Scribe set to Simon Miles)

15:03:01 <Zakim> +??P12

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12

15:03:08 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P112 is me

Daniel Garijo: Zakim, ??P112 is me

15:03:08 <Zakim> sorry, dgarijo, I do not recognize a party named '??P112'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, dgarijo, I do not recognize a party named '??P112'

15:03:13 <dgarijo> Zakim, ??P12 is me

Daniel Garijo: Zakim, ??P12 is me

15:03:13 <Zakim> +dgarijo; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +dgarijo; got it

15:03:23 <Luc> Proposed: to approve the minutes of last week's teleconference

PROPOSED: to approve the minutes of last week's teleconference

15:03:33 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

15:03:34 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2013-04-04

Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2013-04-04

15:03:44 <stain> +1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1

15:03:46 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:03:48 <smiles> +1

+1

15:03:53 <hook> +1

Hook Hua: +1

15:04:09 <Luc> RESOLVED: the minutes of last week's teleconference

RESOLVED: the minutes of last week's teleconference

15:04:19 <Luc> topic: PR Voting

2. PR Voting

Summary: PR voting by W3C members closed. Votes were all positive except for 1 abstention.

<pgroth> Summary: PR voting by W3C members closed. Votes were all positive except for 1 abstention.
15:04:33 <Zakim> + +1.818.731.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.818.731.aaaa

15:04:42 <smiles> Luc: For the last month, AC reps asked to express support or not on PROV specs

Luc Moreau: For the last month, AC reps asked to express support or not on PROV specs

15:04:59 <smiles> ... concluded on 9th, and all the votes are positive except an abstention

... concluded on 9th, and all the votes are positive except an abstention

15:05:21 <Zakim> +Satya_Sahoo

Zakim IRC Bot: +Satya_Sahoo

15:05:26 <smiles> ... one voter made a few suggestions, but were not suitable or beyond the scope for the current stage of the process

... one voter made a few suggestions, but were not suitable or beyond the scope for the current stage of the process

15:05:38 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:05:44 <smiles> ... We will very shortly make the request to transfer to Recommendation

... We will very shortly make the request to transfer to Recommendation

15:05:55 <Zakim> +??P28

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P28

15:05:56 <Luc> topic: all publications

3. all publications

Summary: Editors were asked to update http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PublicationRequestApril30 with information for the final publication request.

<pgroth> Summary: Editors were asked to update http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PublicationRequestApril30 with information for the final publication request.
15:06:04 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PublicationRequestApril30

Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PublicationRequestApril30

15:06:30 <smiles> Luc: Have created a page on the Wiki, for editors to update when ready staged for publication

Luc Moreau: Have created a page on the Wiki, for editors to update when ready staged for publication

15:06:42 <Luc> topic: REC are staged

4. REC are staged

Summary: All recommendations are staged. The group was asked to perform a sanity check on the documents (typos, grammar, missing links, etc). James, Simon, Khalid, Dong, Satya agreed to perform the check.

<pgroth> Summary: All recommendations are staged. The group was asked to perform a sanity check on the documents (typos, grammar, missing links, etc). James, Simon, Khalid, Dong, Satya agreed to perform the check.
15:06:53 <Zakim> - +1.818.731.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.818.731.aaaa

15:07:26 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:07:27 <smiles> Luc: The four Recommendations are staged, and we ask you to have a final look at one or more of them by the end of this week

Luc Moreau: The four Recommendations are staged, and we ask you to have a final look at one or more of them by the end of this week

15:07:39 <Zakim> + +1.818.731.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.818.731.aabb

15:07:44 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:07:44 <jcheney> will look at prov-constraints

James Cheney: will look at prov-constraints

15:07:50 <smiles> I will check prov-dm

I will check prov-dm

15:07:59 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

15:08:05 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:08:06 <Dong> I will look PROV-N

Trung Huynh: I will look PROV-N

15:08:17 <khalidBelhajjame> I will look at PROV-N

Khalid Belhajjame: I will look at PROV-N

15:08:24 <pgroth> ack pgroth

Paul Groth: ack pgroth

15:08:29 <stain> more like a sanity check

Stian Soiland-Reyes: more like a sanity check

15:08:30 <pgroth> spelling errors

Paul Groth: spelling errors

15:08:36 <smiles> Luc: Not asking for review, just typos, layout etc.

Luc Moreau: Not asking for review, just typos, layout etc.

15:08:47 <stain> q+

Stian Soiland-Reyes: q+

15:08:58 <smiles> Luc: Anyone for PROV-O?

Luc Moreau: Anyone for PROV-O?

15:08:58 <satya> I can also review

Satya Sahoo: I can also review

15:09:23 <smiles> q?

q?

15:09:24 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:09:35 <smiles> Luc: Questions on the process at this stage?

Luc Moreau: Questions on the process at this stage?

15:10:01 <Luc> ack stain

Luc Moreau: ack stain

15:10:06 <smiles> stain: To read properly, some stylesheet problems, so use Firefox

Stian Soiland-Reyes: To read properly, some stylesheet problems, so use Firefox

15:10:09 <Luc> topic: prov-aq

5. prov-aq

Summary: Discussion of status of prov-aq. There were no blocking issues but changes were still being implemented and acknowledgments need to be provided. The group voted to release the document as a working group note.

<pgroth> Summary: Discussion of status of prov-aq. There were no blocking issues but changes were still being implemented and acknowledgments need to be provided. The group voted to release the document as a working group note.
15:10:39 <smiles> Luc: Any blocking issues? Changes implemented? Can close tracker issues?

Luc Moreau: Any blocking issues? Changes implemented? Can close tracker issues?

15:10:50 <Luc> graham?

Luc Moreau: graham?

15:11:13 <Luc> zakim, who is here?

Luc Moreau: zakim, who is here?

15:11:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see pgroth, CraigTrim, stain, smiles, jcheney, Luc, dgarijo, Satya_Sahoo, ??P28, +1.818.731.aabb, [IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pgroth, CraigTrim, stain, smiles, jcheney, Luc, dgarijo, Satya_Sahoo, ??P28, +1.818.731.aabb, [IPcaller]

15:11:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see khalidBelhajjame, Dong, zednik, satya, hook, dgarijo, jcheney, smiles, pgroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, TallTed, GK-ALT, stain, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see khalidBelhajjame, Dong, zednik, satya, hook, dgarijo, jcheney, smiles, pgroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, TallTed, GK-ALT, stain, trackbot

15:11:34 <smiles> pgroth: No blocking issues, people generally happy with approach

Paul Groth: No blocking issues, people generally happy with approach

15:11:58 <pgroth> gk?

Paul Groth: gk?

15:12:00 <stain> I've read through GK's response to my PROV-AQ review, but not sent a proper reply acknowledging that it's OK (as the response was also quite long!). However the PROV-AQ document is now fine from my part.

Stian Soiland-Reyes: I've read through GK's response to my PROV-AQ review, but not sent a proper reply acknowledging that it's OK (as the response was also quite long!). However the PROV-AQ document is now fine from my part.

15:12:02 <smiles> pgroth: Don't know if all issues closed

Paul Groth: Don't know if all issues closed

15:12:34 <smiles> pgroth: I will do the staging, so will make sure issues are checked

Paul Groth: I will do the staging, so will make sure issues are checked

15:12:43 <GK> Sorry I'm late - just getting audio set up…  I haven't revisited the issues yet

Graham Klyne: Sorry I'm late - just getting audio set up… I haven't revisited the issues yet

15:12:55 <smiles> Luc: Not a problem if not all issues addressed, but should have a record and close them

Luc Moreau: Not a problem if not all issues addressed, but should have a record and close them

15:13:18 <Zakim> +??P18

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18

15:13:25 <GK> zakim, ??p18 is me

Graham Klyne: zakim, ??p18 is me

15:13:25 <Zakim> +GK; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +GK; got it

15:13:27 <smiles> pgroth: I think we're ready to vote on PROV-AQ now

Paul Groth: I think we're ready to vote on PROV-AQ now

15:14:04 <stain> Zakim, stain is with khalidBelhajjame

Stian Soiland-Reyes: Zakim, stain is with khalidBelhajjame

15:14:04 <Zakim> sorry, stain, I do not recognize a party named 'khalidBelhajjame'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, stain, I do not recognize a party named 'khalidBelhajjame'

15:14:51 <smiles> GK: Have not been back to check tracker issues, but believe all addressed; responded to all reviews received

Graham Klyne: Have not been back to check tracker issues, but believe all addressed; responded to all reviews received

15:15:16 <smiles> ... A couple did not lead to a change in the document; if the reviewers are OK, then we can vote

... A couple did not lead to a change in the document; if the reviewers are OK, then we can vote

15:15:25 <pgroth> that's a yes

Paul Groth: that's a yes

15:15:56 <smiles> Luc: As a reviewer, there is a point on which we will not agree, but that does not mean it is blocking

Luc Moreau: As a reviewer, there is a point on which we will not agree, but that does not mean it is blocking

15:17:47 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

15:18:32 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

15:18:51 <TallTed> TallTed has changed the topic to: Provenance WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ -- agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.04.11

Ted Thibodeau: TallTed has changed the topic to: Provenance WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ -- agenda http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.04.11

15:18:58 <pgroth> ack pgroth

Paul Groth: ack pgroth

15:19:04 <smiles> pgroth: External reviewer commenting on constrained resource, was based on misunderstanding that PROV-AQ was the fundamental document

Paul Groth: External reviewer commenting on constrained resource, was based on misunderstanding that PROV-AQ was the fundamental document

15:19:10 <Luc> PROPOSED: to publish prov-aq as a Working Group note.

PROPOSED: to publish prov-aq as a Working Group note.

15:19:17 <smiles> +1

+1

15:19:18 <stain> +1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1

15:19:22 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

15:19:25 <zednik> +1

Stephan Zednik: +1

15:19:26 <khalidBelhajjame> +1 (University of Manchester)

Khalid Belhajjame: +1 (University of Manchester)

15:19:29 <Dong> +1

Trung Huynh: +1

15:19:31 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:19:32 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

15:19:34 <hook> +1

Hook Hua: +1

15:19:34 <GK> +1 (I would say that wouldn't I :) )

Graham Klyne: +1 (I would say that wouldn't I :) )

15:19:37 <pgroth> +1

Paul Groth: +1

15:19:42 <Luc> +1

Luc Moreau: +1

15:19:59 <Luc> RESOLVED: to publish prov-aq as a Working Group note.

RESOLVED: to publish prov-aq as a Working Group note.

15:20:13 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:20:16 <smiles> Luc: Congratulations to the editors

Luc Moreau: Congratulations to the editors

15:20:28 <GK> @Paul - I should hand over to you in the next week.

Graham Klyne: @Paul - I should hand over to you in the next week.

15:20:51 <smiles> Luc: Editors, remember the timetable: everything ready by 23 April when request will be made; I will make sanity check on 22nd

Luc Moreau: Editors, remember the timetable: everything ready by 23 April when request will be made; I will make sanity check on 22nd

15:20:52 <pgroth> @GK cool, I'll stage and can close issues if need be

Paul Groth: @GK cool, I'll stage and can close issues if need be

15:20:55 <pgroth> yes

Paul Groth: yes

15:20:56 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:20:58 <GK> Ack.  Thanks

Graham Klyne: Ack. Thanks

15:21:08 <Luc> topic: prov-primer

6. prov-primer

Summary: Noted that the primer was already voted to be published as a working group note at the last telco.

<pgroth> Summary: Noted that the primer was already voted to be published as a working group note at the last telco.
15:21:20 <Zakim> -??P28

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P28

15:21:24 <smiles> Luc: We voted to publish primer last week

Luc Moreau: We voted to publish primer last week

15:22:11 <pgroth> super echo

Paul Groth: super echo

15:22:46 <Luc> topic: PROV-LINKS

Summary: For PROV-Links, Luc addressed all the suggestions and responded to reviewers. The group voted to publish PROV-Links as a working group note.

<pgroth> Summary: For PROV-Links, Luc addressed all the suggestions and responded to reviewers. The group voted to publish PROV-Links as a working group note.
15:23:07 <Zakim> +??P49

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P49

15:23:18 <smiles> Luc: Addressed all suggestions made by reviewers to PROV-Links, responded to reviewers

Luc Moreau: Addressed all suggestions made by reviewers to PROV-Links, responded to reviewers

15:23:27 <smiles> ... Are the reviewers happy to proceed to vote?

... Are the reviewers happy to proceed to vote?

15:23:28 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:23:30 <Dong> Zakim, ??P49 is me

Trung Huynh: Zakim, ??P49 is me

15:23:30 <Zakim> +Dong; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Dong; got it

15:23:35 <smiles> As a reviewer, I am happy

As a reviewer, I am happy

15:23:45 <khalidBelhajjame> yes I am happy

Khalid Belhajjame: yes I am happy

15:23:45 <GK> FWIW, on PROV-AQ, all issues but 2 are marked "pending review", which means I think they are addressed. n The other two issues are not on the document itself, but require updates to the accompanying ontology document and  link relation registrations.HTML

Graham Klyne: FWIW, on PROV-AQ, all issues but 2 are marked "pending review", which means I think they are addressed. n The other two issues are not on the document itself, but require updates to the accompanying ontology document and link relation registrations.HTML

15:23:52 <GK> +1

Graham Klyne: +1

15:24:01 <Luc> PROPOSED: to publish prov-links as a Working Group note

PROPOSED: to publish prov-links as a Working Group note

15:24:05 <khalidBelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

15:24:06 <smiles> +1

+1

15:24:08 <GK> +1

Graham Klyne: +1

15:24:11 <Dong> +1

Trung Huynh: +1

15:24:12 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:24:13 <stain> +1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1

15:24:22 <satya> +!

Satya Sahoo: +!

15:24:24 <hook> +1

Hook Hua: +1

15:24:26 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

15:24:27 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

15:24:38 <zednik> +1

Stephan Zednik: +1

15:24:48 <Luc> +1

Luc Moreau: +1

15:24:58 <Luc> RESOLVED: to publish prov-links as a Working Group note

RESOLVED: to publish prov-links as a Working Group note

15:25:19 <Zakim> -Dong

Zakim IRC Bot: -Dong

15:25:20 <Luc> topic: prov-implementations

8. prov-implementations

Summary: The group voted to publish prov-implemenations as a working group note

<pgroth> Summary: The group voted to publish prov-implemenations as a working group note
15:25:37 <smiles> Luc: Agreed no further review of this document

Luc Moreau: Agreed no further review of this document

15:25:41 <Zakim> +??P28

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P28

15:25:59 <smiles> pgroth: Yes, the document is complete and ready for a vote

Paul Groth: Yes, the document is complete and ready for a vote

15:26:02 <smiles> Dong: I staged it

Trung Huynh: I staged it

15:26:14 <Luc> PROPOSED: to publish prov-implementations as a Working Group note

PROPOSED: to publish prov-implementations as a Working Group note

15:26:19 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

15:26:19 <Dong> Sorry, got disconnected

Trung Huynh: Sorry, got disconnected

15:26:20 <smiles> +1

+1

15:26:21 <pgroth> +1

Paul Groth: +1

15:26:21 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

15:26:23 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:26:23 <GK> +1

Graham Klyne: +1

15:26:23 <zednik> +1

Stephan Zednik: +1

15:26:24 <stain> +1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1

15:26:28 <hook> +!

Hook Hua: +!

15:26:30 <Luc> +1

Luc Moreau: +1

15:26:35 <khalidBelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

15:26:56 <stain> hook?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: hook?

15:26:57 <Luc> RESOLVED: to publish prov-implementations as a Working Group note

RESOLVED: to publish prov-implementations as a Working Group note

15:27:17 <smiles> Luc: Congratulations to editors, with 66 implementations

Luc Moreau: Congratulations to editors, with 66 implementations

15:27:22 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:27:31 <Luc> Topic: prov-dc

9. prov-dc

Summary: Discussion about the blocking issues from Stian on prov-dc. In particular, a discussion was had about whether dct:isVersionOf is equivalent to prov:wasRevisionOf. Stian was asked to provide examples of the case where this is not the case. In addition, there was a discussion about whether dct:references should be a sub-property of Influence. The argument was made that this is not following our recommended practice of not using influence. On the other hand, there was an argument that being a sub-property of derivation was too much ontological commitment. Stian agreed not to block on leaving dct:references as a sub-property of prov:wasDerivedFrom.

<pgroth> Summary: Discussion about the blocking issues from Stian on prov-dc. In particular, a discussion was had about whether dct:isVersionOf is equivalent to prov:wasRevisionOf. Stian was asked to provide examples of the case where this is not the case. In addition, there was a discussion about whether dct:references should be a sub-property of Influence. The argument was made that this is not following our recommended practice of not using influence. On the other hand, there was an argument that being a sub-property of derivation was too much ontological commitment. Stian agreed not to block on leaving dct:references as a sub-property of prov:wasDerivedFrom.
15:28:03 <smiles> dgarijo: With a new review, we have two blocking issues

Daniel Garijo: With a new review, we have two blocking issues

15:28:25 <stain> q+

Stian Soiland-Reyes: q+

15:28:31 <smiles> ... will have to look at detail of rationale and discuss offline with Stian

... will have to look at detail of rationale and discuss offline with Stian

15:28:40 <smiles> Luc: Need to converge as soon as we can

Luc Moreau: Need to converge as soon as we can

15:29:15 <pgroth> stian have isVersionOf and references

Paul Groth: stian have isVersionOf and references

15:29:33 <smiles> stain: Main issue was about isVersionOf, said to be equivalent to wasRevisionOf, but in use is more like superproperty of wasRevisionOf

Stian Soiland-Reyes: Main issue was about isVersionOf, said to be equivalent to wasRevisionOf, but in use is more like superproperty of wasRevisionOf

15:30:32 <smiles> dgarijo: We decided to make equivalent because could not find any contradicting example

Daniel Garijo: We decided to make equivalent because could not find any contradicting example

15:31:03 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

15:31:16 <smiles> ... If have an example, can change back to as suggested

... If have an example, can change back to as suggested

15:31:49 <Luc> q+

Luc Moreau: q+

15:32:21 <Luc> ack st

Luc Moreau: ack st

15:32:46 <smiles> pgroth: Can somebody express the proposal?

Paul Groth: Can somebody express the proposal?

15:32:52 <dgarijo> the proposal is prov wasRevisionOf is a SUB property of is VersionOf

Daniel Garijo: the proposal is prov wasRevisionOf is a SUB property of is VersionOf

15:32:53 <khalidBelhajjame> proposal of Stian is: wasRevisionOf is a subproperty of isVersionOf

Khalid Belhajjame: proposal of Stian is: wasRevisionOf is a subproperty of isVersionOf

15:33:06 <dgarijo> which is the way we had it before.

Daniel Garijo: which is the way we had it before.

15:33:08 <smiles> stain: wasRevisionOf is subproperty of isVersionOf

Stian Soiland-Reyes: wasRevisionOf is subproperty of isVersionOf

15:33:14 <pgroth> can we use the namespace?

Paul Groth: can we use the namespace?

15:33:16 <pgroth> in the proposal

Paul Groth: in the proposal

15:33:52 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:33:58 <smiles> stain: Will look for examples, and decide on whether they exist

Stian Soiland-Reyes: Will look for examples, and decide on whether they exist

15:34:00 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

15:34:16 <dgarijo> I did not find tem, unfortunately.

Daniel Garijo: I did not find tem, unfortunately.

15:34:20 <dgarijo> *them

Daniel Garijo: *them

15:34:35 <smiles> Luc: Stian suggested making references subproperty of influences

Luc Moreau: Stian suggested making references subproperty of influences

15:34:55 <smiles> dgarijo: replaces rather than references

Daniel Garijo: replaces rather than references

15:35:24 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-dm/#concept-influence

Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-dm/#concept-influence

15:35:32 <Luc> Influence ◊ is the capacity of an entity, activity, or agent to have an effect on the character, development, or behavior of another by means of usage, start, end, generation, invalidation, communication, derivation, attribution, association, or delegation.

Luc Moreau: Influence ◊ is the capacity of an entity, activity, or agent to have an effect on the character, development, or behavior of another by means of usage, start, end, generation, invalidation, communication, derivation, attribution, association, or delegation.

15:35:49 <Luc>  It is recommended to adopt these more specific relations when writing provenance descriptions. It is anticipated that the Influence relation may be useful to express queries over provenance information.

Luc Moreau: It is recommended to adopt these more specific relations when writing provenance descriptions. It is anticipated that the Influence relation may be useful to express queries over provenance information.

15:36:05 <smiles> Luc: Previously discussed another relation subproperty of wasInfluencedBy, but the way we defined influence is based on specific relations and recommend we adopt those specific relations

Luc Moreau: Previously discussed another relation subproperty of wasInfluencedBy, but the way we defined influence is based on specific relations and recommend we adopt those specific relations

15:36:09 <stain> q+ that dct:references is such a more specific relation

Stian Soiland-Reyes: q+ that dct:references is such a more specific relation

15:36:21 <smiles> ... Would seem strange to go against our recommendations in PROV-DC

... Would seem strange to go against our recommendations in PROV-DC

15:36:30 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:36:35 <stain> q+

Stian Soiland-Reyes: q+

15:36:43 <Luc> ack l

Luc Moreau: ack l

15:36:47 <smiles> ... If replaces is not a derivation, we should say it is not modelled in PROV

... If replaces is not a derivation, we should say it is not modelled in PROV

15:37:15 <smiles> stain: My view is that replaces is an influence but may not be a derivation

Stian Soiland-Reyes: My view is that replaces is an influence but may not be a derivation

15:37:19 <stain> http://pav-ontology.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/pav.html#http://purl.org/pav/sourceAccessedAt

Stian Soiland-Reyes: http://pav-ontology.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/pav.html#http://purl.org/pav/sourceAccessedAt

15:37:39 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:37:48 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

15:37:57 <Luc> ack st

Luc Moreau: ack st

15:38:39 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:38:41 <smiles> pgroth: Our recommendation says that you use specific relations in provenance descriptions, not in defining new relations, so maybe does not go against

Paul Groth: Our recommendation says that you use specific relations in provenance descriptions, not in defining new relations, so maybe does not go against

15:39:07 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:39:11 <Luc> pg

Luc Moreau: pg

15:39:14 <pgroth> ack pgroth

Paul Groth: ack pgroth

15:39:14 <smiles> ... However, it does then suggest people should, when creating mappings, create subproperties of influences

... However, it does then suggest people should, when creating mappings, create subproperties of influences

15:39:39 <pgroth> it's none

Paul Groth: it's none

15:39:55 <smiles> Luc: Influence definition lists specific relation it could be, so which one is replaces?

Luc Moreau: Influence definition lists specific relation it could be, so which one is replaces?

15:39:58 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

15:40:12 <dgarijo> +q

Daniel Garijo: +q

15:40:40 <smiles> pgroth: It is clear that replaces is not a subproperty of any of those specific relations

Paul Groth: It is clear that replaces is not a subproperty of any of those specific relations

15:40:56 <pgroth> ack pgroth

Paul Groth: ack pgroth

15:41:03 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

15:41:08 <Zakim> -??P28

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P28

15:41:09 <pgroth> fair enough then

Paul Groth: fair enough then

15:41:11 <pgroth> :-)

Paul Groth: :-)

15:41:32 <pgroth> we're talking about references

Paul Groth: we're talking about references

15:41:43 <pgroth> no it's the other way around

Paul Groth: no it's the other way around

15:41:48 <pgroth> we are only talking references

Paul Groth: we are only talking references

15:42:27 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:42:50 <Zakim> +??P2

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2

15:43:15 <GK> (As a general principle, I think specs should choose weaker ontological commitment when there is any dispute or uncertainty)

Graham Klyne: (As a general principle, I think specs should choose weaker ontological commitment when there is any dispute or uncertainty)

15:43:32 <pgroth> q+ but this would be really wierd

Paul Groth: q+ but this would be really wierd

15:43:41 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

15:43:47 <smiles> Luc: Should not shoehorn things into PROV if there is no consensus

Luc Moreau: Should not shoehorn things into PROV if there is no consensus

15:43:54 <stain> this would be a weakening of wasDerivedBy if any kind of existence and mention means a derivation

Stian Soiland-Reyes: this would be a weakening of wasDerivedBy if any kind of existence and mention means a derivation

15:44:31 <Luc> ack dg

Luc Moreau: ack dg

15:44:58 <smiles> dgarijo: If we agree with references is subproperty of wasDerivedFrom then there is consensus

Daniel Garijo: If we agree with references is subproperty of wasDerivedFrom then there is consensus

15:45:15 <smiles> pgroth: Would be weird not to have a mapping of references in PROV-DC

Paul Groth: Would be weird not to have a mapping of references in PROV-DC

15:45:26 <smiles> stain: I disagree but willing to not block on it

Stian Soiland-Reyes: I disagree but willing to not block on it

15:45:35 <dgarijo> - dct:references is a subproperty of wasDerivedFrom. Thus it is already a wasInfluencedBy.

Daniel Garijo: - dct:references is a subproperty of wasDerivedFrom. Thus it is already a wasInfluencedBy.

15:45:45 <smiles> pgroth: I am fine with that

Paul Groth: I am fine with that

15:45:46 <zednik> q+

Stephan Zednik: q+

15:46:20 <smiles> Luc: Not in a position to vote this week, as other issue still to be resolved

Luc Moreau: Not in a position to vote this week, as other issue still to be resolved

15:46:34 <GK> ("A related resource that is referenced, cited, or otherwise pointed to by the described resource." http://dublincore.org/documents/dcmi-terms/#terms-references)

Graham Klyne: ("A related resource that is referenced, cited, or otherwise pointed to by the described resource." http://dublincore.org/documents/dcmi-terms/#terms-references)

15:46:37 <smiles> dgarijo: Already implemented changes by Tom and Paul

Daniel Garijo: Already implemented changes by Tom and Paul

15:46:48 <zednik> q-

Stephan Zednik: q-

15:47:00 <smiles> ... response not yet acknowledged

... response not yet acknowledged

15:47:01 <GK> (This term is intended to be used with non-literal values as defined in the DCMI Abstract Model (http://dublincore.org/documents/abstract-model/). As of December 2007, the DCMI Usage Board is seeking a way to express this intention with a formal range declaration.  Ibid.)

Graham Klyne: (This term is intended to be used with non-literal values as defined in the DCMI Abstract Model (http://dublincore.org/documents/abstract-model/). As of December 2007, the DCMI Usage Board is seeking a way to express this intention with a formal range declaration. Ibid.)

15:47:18 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:47:29 <pgroth> q_

Paul Groth: q_

15:47:30 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

15:47:43 <Luc> topic: prov-dictionary

10. prov-dictionary

Summary: a vote on prov-dictionary wad delayed until next week.

<pgroth> Summary:  a vote on prov-dictionary wad delayed until next week.
15:48:04 <GK> (non-literal value

Graham Klyne: (non-literal value

15:48:04 <GK> A value which is a physical, digital or conceptual entity.)

Graham Klyne: A value which is a physical, digital or conceptual entity.)

15:48:19 <smiles> Luc: Tom suggested to vote next week

Luc Moreau: Tom suggested to vote next week

15:48:34 <smiles> ... and leave technical dicsussion on the document to next week too

... and leave technical dicsussion on the document to next week too

15:48:40 <Luc> topic: prov-sem

11. prov-sem

Summary: The group voted to publish PROV-SEM as a working group note.

<pgroth> Summary: The group voted to publish PROV-SEM as a working group note.
15:49:02 <dgarijo> @GK: Then you agree ordon't agree with isVersionOf being a superproperty of WasRevisionOf?

Daniel Garijo: @GK: Then you agree ordon't agree with isVersionOf being a superproperty of WasRevisionOf?

15:49:23 <smiles> jcheney: Reviews are in, no blocking issues, people happy with closing tracked issues

James Cheney: Reviews are in, no blocking issues, people happy with closing tracked issues

15:49:42 <smiles> ... Most of changes implemented, but with a couple of questions, need errata paragraph from Luc

... Most of changes implemented, but with a couple of questions, need errata paragraph from Luc

15:50:18 <GK> @Dgarijo: Er, I'm not sure about that.

Graham Klyne: @Dgarijo: Er, I'm not sure about that.

15:50:24 <khalidBelhajjame> I am happy with the document

Khalid Belhajjame: I am happy with the document

15:50:24 <smiles> Luc: Ready for a vote?

Luc Moreau: Ready for a vote?

15:50:27 <khalidBelhajjame> yes

Khalid Belhajjame: yes

15:50:30 <smiles> I am happy with the document too

I am happy with the document too

15:50:39 <satya> yes

Satya Sahoo: yes

15:50:48 <smiles> Luc: I was also happy

Luc Moreau: I was also happy

15:51:10 <Luc> PROPOSED: to publish prov-sem as a Working Group note

PROPOSED: to publish prov-sem as a Working Group note

15:51:16 <khalidBelhajjame> +1

Khalid Belhajjame: +1

15:51:17 <stain> +1

Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1

15:51:17 <smiles> +1

+1

15:51:19 <satya> +1

Satya Sahoo: +1

15:51:19 <Dong> +1

Trung Huynh: +1

15:51:22 <GK> @dgarijo (I was just digging out DC material about dct references.)

Graham Klyne: @dgarijo (I was just digging out DC material about dct references.)

15:51:23 <zednik> +1

Stephan Zednik: +1

15:51:23 <Luc> +1

Luc Moreau: +1

15:51:25 <hook> +!

Hook Hua: +!

15:51:27 <hook> +1

Hook Hua: +1

15:51:31 <dgarijo> +1

Daniel Garijo: +1

15:51:32 <jcheney> +1

James Cheney: +1

15:51:43 <Luc> RESOLVED: to publish prov-sem as a Working Group note

RESOLVED: to publish prov-sem as a Working Group note

15:51:44 <pgroth> +1

Paul Groth: +1

15:51:45 <GK> (Haven't had time to review, but expect it's fine)

Graham Klyne: (Haven't had time to review, but expect it's fine)

15:52:05 <smiles> Luc: Congratulations to James

Luc Moreau: Congratulations to James

15:52:07 <pgroth> @jcheney - really good job

Paul Groth: @jcheney - really good job

15:52:37 <smiles> jcheney: Can check everyone that should be in acknowledgement and contributor lists is there?

James Cheney: Can check everyone that should be in acknowledgement and contributor lists is there?

15:52:39 <Luc> topic: prov-xml

12. prov-xml

Summary: Changes are still being processed. It was decided to delay the vote until next week.

<pgroth> Summary: Changes are still being processed. It was decided to delay the vote until next week.
15:53:04 <dgarijo> @GK: Ok! My main problem is that both DC and PROV don't characterize thw features of a "revision". Since I didn't find examples of use that could contradict one being subclass of another, I just put it as an equivalent class

Daniel Garijo: @GK: Ok! My main problem is that both DC and PROV don't characterize thw features of a "revision". Since I didn't find examples of use that could contradict one being subclass of another, I just put it as an equivalent class

15:53:18 <smiles> zednik: Two reviews in, none are blocking but lots of small changes that will be made by Tuesday

Stephan Zednik: Two reviews in, none are blocking but lots of small changes that will be made by Tuesday

15:53:26 <dgarijo> I mean, equivalent property.

Daniel Garijo: I mean, equivalent property.

15:53:34 <smiles> ... a couple of larger issues may take a little longer, but straightfowards

... a couple of larger issues may take a little longer, but straightfowards

15:53:49 <pgroth> henry

Paul Groth: henry

15:54:16 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:54:26 <pgroth> q+

Paul Groth: q+

15:54:26 <smiles> jcheney: Henry from Edinburgh said he would look at PROV-XML but has not been able to yet, may not in time for us

James Cheney: Henry from Edinburgh said he would look at PROV-XML but has not been able to yet, may not in time for us

15:54:42 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:54:47 <smiles> Luc: Vote next week after changes

Luc Moreau: Vote next week after changes

15:55:09 <smiles> pgroth: Want to discuss inclusion of XSD in the appendix

Paul Groth: Want to discuss inclusion of XSD in the appendix

15:55:14 <Luc> ack pg

Luc Moreau: ack pg

15:55:19 <pgroth> cool

Paul Groth: cool

15:55:22 <smiles> zednik: Will add an issue to the tracker

Stephan Zednik: Will add an issue to the tracker

15:55:33 <Luc> topic: prov-overview

13. prov-overview

Summary: Paul asked for a quick review of prov-overview. James and Daniel agreed to have a look.

<pgroth> Summary: Paul asked for a quick review of prov-overview. James and Daniel agreed to have a look.
15:55:46 <smiles> Luc: Now ready for review

Luc Moreau: Now ready for review

15:56:06 <smiles> pgroth: Some people looked at it, and made minor changes

Paul Groth: Some people looked at it, and made minor changes

15:56:26 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:56:36 <smiles> Luc: Volunteers to read PROV-Overview?

Luc Moreau: Volunteers to read PROV-Overview?

15:56:50 <jcheney> ok

James Cheney: ok

15:56:53 <dgarijo> I can review it

Daniel Garijo: I can review it

15:57:02 <GK> @dgarijo ah, I see.  If it's not clear what they mean, I'd personally probably avoid creating the ontological commitment.  The concern is that if they turn out to be incompatible, you can end up with unsatisfiable  (or not satisfiable in any expected sense of their meaning) expressions.  OTOH, with ontological under commitment, then you may have ambiguity but that can be fixed later by adding more constraining statement later.

Graham Klyne: @dgarijo ah, I see. If it's not clear what they mean, I'd personally probably avoid creating the ontological commitment. The concern is that if they turn out to be incompatible, you can end up with unsatisfiable (or not satisfiable in any expected sense of their meaning) expressions. OTOH, with ontological under commitment, then you may have ambiguity but that can be fixed later by adding more constraining statement later.

15:57:19 <smiles> Luc: James and Daniel will review PROV-Overview

Luc Moreau: James and Daniel will review PROV-Overview

15:57:37 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:57:47 <Luc> topic: provenance of documents

14. provenance of documents

Summary: editors should check whether the provenance produced by Luc is correct for their documents.

<pgroth> Summary: editors should check whether the provenance produced by Luc is correct for their documents.
15:57:48 <smiles> Luc: Please let us know of blocking issues ahead of call, so that Paul can address before we vote

Luc Moreau: Please let us know of blocking issues ahead of call, so that Paul can address before we vote

15:57:58 <Luc> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/test/prov-family.svg

Luc Moreau: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/test/prov-family.svg

15:58:11 <Luc> https://github.com/lucmoreau/ProvToolbox/blob/newschema/prov-n/src/test/resources/prov/prov-family.provn

Luc Moreau: https://github.com/lucmoreau/ProvToolbox/blob/newschema/prov-n/src/test/resources/prov/prov-family.provn

15:58:32 <smiles> Luc: Created provenance of prov documents above

Luc Moreau: Created provenance of prov documents above

15:58:58 <smiles> ... Would like various editors check for their own documents that dates, authors, etc are correct

... Would like various editors check for their own documents that dates, authors, etc are correct

15:59:31 <dgarijo> @GK: By looking just at the definitions I would say that we should have it as Stian proposed (which is the way  we had it originally). But the lack of counter examples made me have it the way it's now. That is why I have to review Stian's examples b_)

Daniel Garijo: @GK: By looking just at the definitions I would say that we should have it as Stian proposed (which is the way we had it originally). But the lack of counter examples made me have it the way it's now. That is why I have to review Stian's examples b_)

15:59:34 <smiles> Luc: May also want to check attributed correctly for other documents

Luc Moreau: May also want to check attributed correctly for other documents

15:59:38 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

15:59:53 <stain> so you want emails for corrections?

Stian Soiland-Reyes: so you want emails for corrections?

15:59:55 <Luc> topic: Closing issues in tracker

15. Closing issues in tracker

Summary: The editors were asked to ensure that all issues in the tracker were addressed is some fashion. There were several issues in the tracker around the best practice cook-book. Tim was actioned to look at these issues.

<pgroth> Summary: The editors were asked to ensure that all issues in the tracker were addressed is some fashion. There were several issues in the tracker around the best practice cook-book. Tim was actioned to look at these issues.
15:59:59 <pgroth> bad noise

Paul Groth: bad noise

16:00:13 <pgroth> zakim, who is noisy?

Paul Groth: zakim, who is noisy?

16:00:24 <Zakim> pgroth, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Luc (31%), stain (5%)

Zakim IRC Bot: pgroth, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Luc (31%), stain (5%)

16:00:32 <stain> sorry. Old phone!

Stian Soiland-Reyes: sorry. Old phone!

16:01:05 <smiles> pgroth: Dereferencing namespace issue: we already do so, but Tim will update

Paul Groth: Dereferencing namespace issue: we already do so, but Tim will update

16:01:34 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/7

Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/7

16:01:53 <stain> serioously, now my mobile is off!

Stian Soiland-Reyes: serioously, now my mobile is off!

16:01:54 <smiles> Luc: Best practice cookbook issues, are they still relevant?

Luc Moreau: Best practice cookbook issues, are they still relevant?

16:02:01 <stain> zakim, mute stain

Stian Soiland-Reyes: zakim, mute stain

16:02:01 <Zakim> stain should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: stain should now be muted

16:02:18 <dgarijo> where is the best practice cookbook document? I think we removed it

Daniel Garijo: where is the best practice cookbook document? I think we removed it

16:02:36 <smiles> pgroth: Need to ask Tim, as these are all things not to go in ontology but separate explanations

Paul Groth: Need to ask Tim, as these are all things not to go in ontology but separate explanations

16:02:50 <dgarijo> +q

Daniel Garijo: +q

16:02:51 <Luc> action tlebo to look into issues he raised http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/7

Luc Moreau: action tlebo to look into issues he raised http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/7

16:02:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-171 - Look into issues he raised http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/7 [on Timothy Lebo - due 2013-04-18].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-171 - Look into issues he raised http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/products/7 [on Timothy Lebo - due 2013-04-18].

16:02:58 <smiles> pgroth: Should either put in FAQ or close them

Paul Groth: Should either put in FAQ or close them

16:03:04 <GK> @paul re ISSUE-222, did you consider a data: URI?

Graham Klyne: @paul re ISSUE-222, did you consider a data: URI?

16:03:12 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:03:15 <stain> dgarijo: not maintained :( https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/tip/bestpractices/BestPractices.html

Daniel Garijo: not maintained :( https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/tip/bestpractices/BestPractices.html [ Scribe Assist by Stian Soiland-Reyes ]

16:03:22 <dgarijo> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/tip/bestpractices/BestPractices.html

Daniel Garijo: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/tip/bestpractices/BestPractices.html

16:03:44 <smiles> dgarijo: The issues relate to document (above) started but not continued, so do not apply any more

Daniel Garijo: The issues relate to document (above) started but not continued, so do not apply any more

16:03:59 <Luc> q?

Luc Moreau: q?

16:04:05 <Luc> ack dga

Luc Moreau: ack dga

16:04:08 <khalidBelhajjame> bye

Khalid Belhajjame: bye

16:04:08 <Zakim> -dgarijo

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16:04:09 <Dong> bye all

Trung Huynh: bye all

16:04:09 <stain> bye

Stian Soiland-Reyes: bye

16:04:10 <Zakim> -jcheney

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16:04:11 <dgarijo> -q

Daniel Garijo: -q

16:04:11 <Zakim> -Satya_Sahoo

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16:04:15 <GK> Bye

Graham Klyne: Bye

16:04:17 <Zakim> -stain

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16:04:18 <Zakim> - +1.818.731.aabb

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16:04:19 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

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16:04:20 <Zakim> -Luc

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16:04:23 <Zakim> -pgroth

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16:04:24 <Zakim> -GK

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16:05:13 <Zakim> -??P2

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16:06:05 <Zakim> -CraigTrim

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16:09:49 <Zakim> -smiles

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16:09:49 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has ended

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16:09:49 <Zakim> Attendees were CraigTrim, pgroth, stain, jcheney, smiles, Luc, dgarijo, +1.818.731.aaaa, Satya_Sahoo, +1.818.731.aabb, [IPcaller], GK, Dong

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were CraigTrim, pgroth, stain, jcheney, smiles, Luc, dgarijo, +1.818.731.aaaa, Satya_Sahoo, +1.818.731.aabb, [IPcaller], GK, Dong



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