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16:49:04 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-owl-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-owl-irc ←
16:49:14 <sandro> zakim, this will be owl
Sandro Hawke: zakim, this will be owl ←
16:49:14 <Zakim> ok, sandro; I see SW_OWL()1:00PM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, sandro; I see SW_OWL()1:00PM scheduled to start in 11 minutes ←
16:49:50 <Zakim> SW_OWL()1:00PM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()1:00PM has now started ←
16:49:57 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
16:50:02 <sandro> Meeting: OWL Working Group
16:50:17 <sandro> Chair: Alan Ruttenberg, Ian Horrocks
16:50:34 <sandro> RRSAgent, make record public
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make record public ←
16:50:34 <Zakim> +??P39
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P39 ←
16:50:45 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
16:50:45 <Zakim> sorry, bijan, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bijan, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
16:50:52 <bijan> zakim, ??p39 is me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, ??p39 is me ←
16:50:52 <Zakim> +bijan; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bijan; got it ←
16:54:03 <Zakim> +??P42
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P42 ←
16:54:12 <Zakim> +[IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←
16:54:32 <sandro> Zakim, ??P42 is Boris
Sandro Hawke: Zakim, ??P42 is Boris ←
16:54:32 <Zakim> +Boris; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Boris; got it ←
16:54:58 <sandro> Zakim, IBM is temporarily Achille
Sandro Hawke: Zakim, IBM is temporarily Achille ←
16:54:58 <Zakim> +Achille; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Achille; got it ←
16:57:03 <Zakim> +Alan_Ruttenberg
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alan_Ruttenberg ←
16:57:03 <bmotik> Zakim, Boris is bmotik
Boris Motik: Zakim, Boris is bmotik ←
16:57:04 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik; got it ←
16:57:05 <Zakim> + +1.301.975.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.301.975.aaaa ←
16:57:17 <Zakim> + +1.202.408.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.408.aabb ←
16:57:22 <Zakim> -Alan_Ruttenberg
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alan_Ruttenberg ←
16:57:43 <Zakim> +Elisa_Kendall
Zakim IRC Bot: +Elisa_Kendall ←
16:58:02 <sandro> zakm, who is here?
Sandro Hawke: zakm, who is here? ←
16:58:13 <Zakim> + +018652aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +018652aacc ←
16:58:21 <Zakim> +??P44
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P44 ←
16:58:24 <Zakim> +Vipul_Kashyap
Zakim IRC Bot: +Vipul_Kashyap ←
16:58:28 <Zakim> +Alan_Ruttenberg
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alan_Ruttenberg ←
16:58:32 <pfps> zakim, ??p44 is me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, ??p44 is me ←
16:58:32 <Zakim> +pfps; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps; got it ←
16:58:44 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
16:58:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, bijan, bmotik, Achille, +1.301.975.aaaa, MikeSmith, Elisa_Kendall, +018652aacc, pfps, Vipul_Kashyap, Alan_Ruttenberg
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, bijan, bmotik, Achille, +1.301.975.aaaa, MikeSmith, Elisa_Kendall, +018652aacc, pfps, Vipul_Kashyap, Alan_Ruttenberg ←
16:59:58 <sandro> Zakim, aaaa is Fabien
Sandro Hawke: Zakim, aaaa is Fabien ←
16:59:58 <Zakim> +Fabien; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Fabien; got it ←
17:00:16 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
17:00:19 <jjc> Zakim, IPCaller is me
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown jjc: Zakim, IPCaller is me ←
17:00:19 <Zakim> +jjc; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jjc; got it ←
17:00:24 <sandro> Zakim, aacc is Ian
Sandro Hawke: Zakim, aacc is Ian ←
17:00:24 <Zakim> +Ian; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ian; got it ←
17:00:29 <jjc> Zakim, mute me
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown jjc: Zakim, mute me ←
17:00:29 <Zakim> jjc should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jjc should now be muted ←
17:00:29 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
17:00:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, bijan, bmotik, Achille, Fabien, MikeSmith, Elisa_Kendall, Ian, pfps, Vipul_Kashyap, Alan_Ruttenberg, jjc (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, bijan, bmotik, Achille, Fabien, MikeSmith, Elisa_Kendall, Ian, pfps, Vipul_Kashyap, Alan_Ruttenberg, jjc (muted) ←
17:00:42 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
17:00:42 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←
17:01:11 <pfps> i'll volunteer
Peter Patel-Schneider: i'll volunteer ←
17:01:15 <jjc> Note: I have not completed paperwork to join WG yet, technically I guess I am observer or something.
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Note' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Note: I have not completed paperwork to join WG yet, technically I guess I am observer or something. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown jjc ] ←
17:01:16 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
17:01:16 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted ←
17:01:20 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
17:01:20 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←
17:01:37 <pfps> what do I need to do to set up as scribe?
Peter Patel-Schneider: what do I need to do to set up as scribe? ←
17:01:48 <bijan> one sec
Bijan Parsia: one sec ←
17:01:53 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
17:01:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, bijan, bmotik, Achille, Fabien, MikeSmith, Elisa_Kendall, Ian, pfps (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, Alan_Ruttenberg, jjc (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, bijan, bmotik, Achille, Fabien, MikeSmith, Elisa_Kendall, Ian, pfps (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, Alan_Ruttenberg, jjc (muted) ←
17:02:05 <Zakim> + +012242aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +012242aadd ←
17:02:15 <JeffP> zakim, aadd is me
17:02:15 <Zakim> +JeffP; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JeffP; got it ←
17:02:16 <Zakim> +??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11 ←
17:02:28 <bijan> Peter, see: http://dev.w3.org/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
Bijan Parsia: Peter, see: http://dev.w3.org/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm ←
17:02:44 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
17:02:44 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted ←
17:03:50 <pfps> zakim, this will be owl
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, this will be owl ←
17:03:50 <Zakim> ok, pfps, I see SW_OWL()1:00PM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, pfps, I see SW_OWL()1:00PM already started ←
17:03:59 <bijan> Here: http://dev.w3.org/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
Scribe problem: the name 'Here' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Here: http://dev.w3.org/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [ Scribe Assist by Bijan Parsia ] ←
17:04:29 <pfps> Scribe: pfps
(Scribe set to Peter Patel-Schneider)
17:04:42 <pfps> Scribe: Peter Patel-Schneider
17:04:47 <pfps> ScribeNick: pfps
17:05:00 <pfps> Meeting: OWL WG Teleconference
17:05:00 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
17:05:00 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
17:05:07 <bijan> zakim, who's making noise
Bijan Parsia: zakim, who's making noise ←
17:05:07 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's making noise', bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who's making noise', bijan ←
17:05:11 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: +Evan_Wallace ←
17:05:15 <bijan> zakim, noise
Bijan Parsia: zakim, noise ←
17:05:15 <Zakim> I don't understand 'noise', bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'noise', bijan ←
17:05:30 <pfps> Chair: Alan Ruttenberg
17:05:31 <jjc> Zakim, who is speaking?
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown jjc: Zakim, who is speaking? ←
17:05:42 <Zakim> jjc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Alan_Ruttenberg (100%), Ian (32%), bmotik (4%)
Zakim IRC Bot: jjc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Alan_Ruttenberg (100%), Ian (32%), bmotik (4%) ←
17:05:50 <jjc> q+ to note I am here before joining WG
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown jjc: q+ to note I am here before joining WG ←
17:06:03 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
17:06:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, bijan (muted), bmotik, Achille, Fabien, MikeSmith, Elisa_Kendall, Ian, pfps, Vipul_Kashyap, Alan_Ruttenberg, jjc (muted), JeffP, MarkusK (muted),
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, bijan (muted), bmotik, Achille, Fabien, MikeSmith, Elisa_Kendall, Ian, pfps, Vipul_Kashyap, Alan_Ruttenberg, jjc (muted), JeffP, MarkusK (muted), ←
17:06:06 <Zakim> ... Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Evan_Wallace ←
17:06:33 <sandro> Topic: Roll Call
17:06:34 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
17:06:34 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
17:06:38 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
17:06:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, bijan (muted), bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien, MikeSmith, Elisa_Kendall, Ian, pfps, Vipul_Kashyap, Alan_Ruttenberg, jjc (muted), JeffP, MarkusK (muted),
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, bijan (muted), bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien, MikeSmith, Elisa_Kendall, Ian, pfps, Vipul_Kashyap, Alan_Ruttenberg, jjc (muted), JeffP, MarkusK (muted), ←
17:06:42 <Zakim> ... Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Evan_Wallace ←
17:07:17 <jjc> Zakim, uniute me
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown jjc: Zakim, uniute me ←
17:07:17 <Zakim> I don't understand 'uniute me', jjc
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'uniute me', jjc ←
17:07:17 <JeffP> q?
17:07:24 <sandro> ack jjc
Sandro Hawke: ack jjc ←
17:07:25 <Zakim> jjc, you wanted to note I am here before joining WG
Zakim IRC Bot: jjc, you wanted to note I am here before joining WG ←
17:07:34 <FabianN> zakim, could you mute me, too?
Fabian Neuhaus: zakim, could you mute me, too? ←
17:07:34 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, FabianN.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, FabianN. ←
17:07:57 <JeffP> zakim, mute FabianN
Jeff Pan: zakim, mute FabianN ←
17:07:57 <Zakim> sorry, JeffP, I do not know which phone connection belongs to FabianN
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, JeffP, I do not know which phone connection belongs to FabianN ←
17:08:07 <jjc> Zakim, mute me
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown jjc: Zakim, mute me ←
17:08:07 <Zakim> jjc should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jjc should now be muted ←
17:08:12 <pfps> jjc: not a member of the WG
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown jjc: not a member of the WG ←
17:08:20 <pfps> sandro: jjc is invited
Sandro Hawke: jjc is invited ←
17:08:23 <sandro> jjc is Jeremy Carroll of HP
Sandro Hawke: jjc is Jeremy Carroll of HP ←
17:08:23 <FabianN> zakim, mute me
Fabian Neuhaus: zakim, mute me ←
17:08:23 <Zakim> sorry, FabianN, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, FabianN, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
17:08:31 <pfps> Topic: Agenda amendments
17:08:51 <pfps> ianh: no amendments
Ian Horrocks: no amendments ←
17:09:04 <pfps> Topc: Accept minutes
Scribe problem: the name 'Topc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Topc: Accept minutes ←
17:09:15 <sandro> Topic: Accept Minutes
17:09:21 <pfps> ianh: any corrections to minutes?
Ian Horrocks: any corrections to minutes? ←
17:09:59 <sandro> PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2007.10.10/Minutes
PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2007.10.10/Minutes ←
17:10:11 <sandro> RESOLVED: Accept Previous Minutes: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2007.10.10/Minutes
RESOLVED: Accept Previous Minutes: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2007.10.10/Minutes ←
17:10:40 <pfps> Topic: Action items status
17:11:24 <pfps> alan: action1 (login alignment) still in progress
Alan Ruttenberg: ACTION-1 (login alignment) still in progress ←
17:11:37 <pfps> ianh: action item 2 html is possible
Ian Horrocks: action item 2 html is possible ←
17:11:46 <vipul> q+ login alignment
Vipul Kashyap: q+ login alignment ←
17:11:58 <pfps> ianh: action item 3 comments on RIF BLD done
Ian Horrocks: action item 3 comments on RIF BLD done ←
17:11:58 <sandro> Peter's comments <http://www.w3.org/mid/20071016.102615.212787570.pfps@research.bell-labs.com>
Sandro Hawke: Peter's comments <http://www.w3.org/mid/20071016.102615.212787570.pfps@research.bell-labs.com> ←
17:12:07 <pfps> Topic: Charter Review
17:12:27 <pfps> ianh: assumption is that everyone has read all the documents (including the charter)
Ian Horrocks: assumption is that everyone has read all the documents (including the charter) ←
17:12:50 <pfps> ianh: quick run-through of charter followed by discussion
Ian Horrocks: quick run-through of charter followed by discussion ←
17:13:15 <pfps> ianh: scope of WG is extensions to OWL (logic, datatypes, expressive power)
Ian Horrocks: scope of WG is extensions to OWL (logic, datatypes, expressive power) ←
17:13:31 <pfps> ianh: plus language fragment definition
Ian Horrocks: plus language fragment definition ←
17:13:44 <pfps> ianh: OWL 1.1 submission is starting point
Ian Horrocks: OWL 1.1 submission is starting point ←
17:14:01 <pfps> ianh: starting issue list is OWL 1.1. issue list plus postponed issues from WebOnt
Ian Horrocks: starting issue list is OWL 1.1. issue list plus postponed issues from WebOnt ←
17:14:09 <bijan> q+ to talk about backwards compat
Bijan Parsia: q+ to talk about backwards compat ←
17:14:14 <pfps> ianh: backwards compatability is important
Ian Horrocks: backwards compatability is important ←
17:14:35 <pfps> ianh: feature addition is to be conservative
Ian Horrocks: feature addition is to be conservative ←
17:14:41 <alanr> here now
Alan Ruttenberg: here now ←
17:15:00 <sandro> welcome, Alan-on-IRC :-)
Sandro Hawke: welcome, Alan-on-IRC :-) ←
17:15:04 <alanr> zakim, mute me
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, mute me ←
17:15:04 <Zakim> Alan_Ruttenberg should now be muted
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17:15:18 <bijan> Structural specification
Bijan Parsia: Structural specification ←
17:15:38 <pfps> ianh: deliverables (not necessary documents) - overview, requirements, formal spec (3 docs), outreach (...), test suite, language fragments
Ian Horrocks: deliverables (not necessary documents) - overview, requirements, formal spec (3 docs), outreach (...), test suite, language fragments ←
17:15:48 <pfps> ianh: XML exchange syntax also possible deliverable
Ian Horrocks: XML exchange syntax also possible deliverable ←
17:16:13 <pfps> ianh: timeline is quite tight, first documents beginning of Feb
Ian Horrocks: timeline is quite tight, first documents beginning of Feb ←
17:16:48 <pfps> ianh: last call august 2008, ...,
Ian Horrocks: last call august 2008, ..., ←
17:17:05 <pfps> ianh: first F2F is december
Ian Horrocks: first F2F is december ←
17:17:17 <pfps> ianh: dependencies from other workings groups (on agenda)
Ian Horrocks: dependencies from other workings groups (on agenda) ←
17:17:38 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
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17:17:40 <JeffP> q?
17:17:41 <sandro> RRSAgent, make minutes
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make minutes ←
17:17:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-owl-minutes.html sandro
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17:17:44 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:17:59 <sandro> RRSAgent, make record public
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make record public ←
17:18:38 <alanr> question, or discussion point?
Alan Ruttenberg: question, or discussion point? ←
17:18:43 <pfps> bijan: backwards compability is good but not absolute
Bijan Parsia: backwards compability is good but not absolute ←
17:18:58 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
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17:19:01 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
17:19:12 <bijan> q-
Bijan Parsia: q- ←
17:19:20 <bijan> q-
Bijan Parsia: q- ←
17:19:23 <alanr> q-
Alan Ruttenberg: q- ←
17:19:24 <pfps> ianh: let's not make a decision, but make it a case by case basis
Ian Horrocks: let's not make a decision, but make it a case by case basis ←
17:19:25 <sandro> q- login
Sandro Hawke: q- login ←
17:19:30 <sandro> q- alignment
Sandro Hawke: q- alignment ←
17:19:43 <alanr> a+
Alan Ruttenberg: a+ ←
17:19:44 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
17:19:56 <bijan> This is off topic, isn't it?
Bijan Parsia: This is off topic, isn't it? ←
17:19:59 <pfps> vipul: multiple wikis (W3C and ESW) mean multiple logins, can they be aligned?
Vipul Kashyap: multiple wikis (W3C and ESW) mean multiple logins, can they be aligned? ←
17:20:08 <pfps> sandro: no
Sandro Hawke: no ←
17:20:29 <alanr> zakim, unmute me
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17:20:38 <jjc> q+ to suggest backward compatibility will resolve itself
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Unknown jjc: q+ to suggest backward compatibility will resolve itself ←
17:20:49 <IanH> ?q
Ian Horrocks: ?q ←
17:20:55 <sandro> Present: Sandro, Bijan, bmotik, Achille, Fabien, MikeSmith, Elisa_Kendall, Ian, pfps, Vipul_Kashyap, Alan_Ruttenberg, jjc, JeffP, MarkusK, Evan_Wallace
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Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 32 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap
17:21:00 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:21:04 <jjc> q-
Unknown jjc: q- ←
17:21:08 <alanr> zakim, mute me
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17:21:11 <pfps> alanr: questions on charter need resolution in the future, e.g., backwards compatability
Alan Ruttenberg: questions on charter need resolution in the future, e.g., backwards compatability ←
17:21:14 <alanr> q- alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: q- alanr ←
17:21:17 <jjc> ack
Unknown jjc: ack ←
17:21:22 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:21:25 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap
Zakim IRC Bot: -Vipul_Kashyap ←
17:21:43 <alanr> it's in the charter already
Alan Ruttenberg: it's in the charter already ←
17:21:50 <alanr> no need to put it on the queue
Alan Ruttenberg: no need to put it on the queue ←
17:21:51 <Zakim> +Vipul_Kashyap
Zakim IRC Bot: +Vipul_Kashyap ←
17:22:01 <sandro> RRSAgent, make minutes
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make minutes ←
17:22:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-owl-minutes.html sandro
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17:22:12 <bijan> +1 to ianh saying "wait until backwards compt comes up to discuss it"
Bijan Parsia: +1 to ianh saying "wait until backwards compt comes up to discuss it" ←
17:22:25 <achille> +1 to ianh
Achille Fokoue: +1 to ianh ←
17:22:38 <sandro> Ian: Let's not talk about Backward Compatibility until we come up with a specific instance of a question about it? Any objections? No.....
Ian Horrocks: Let's not talk about Backward Compatibility until we come up with a specific instance of a question about it? Any objections? No..... [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:22:39 <pfps> Topic: Deliverables
17:22:52 <bijan> I just wanted to make sure it was *open* so that we *will* have that discussion rather
Bijan Parsia: I just wanted to make sure it was *open* so that we *will* have that discussion rather ←
17:23:09 <pfps> sandro: w3c has software for tracking issues and action items (TRACKER)
Sandro Hawke: w3c has software for tracking issues and action items (TRACKER) ←
17:23:22 <sandro> trackbot-ng, help
Sandro Hawke: trackbot-ng, help ←
17:23:22 <trackbot-ng> See http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/ for help (use the IRC bot link)
Trackbot IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/ for help (use the IRC bot link) ←
17:23:49 <alanr> zakim, unmute me
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17:23:50 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/OWL_Working_Group
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/OWL_Working_Group ←
17:24:10 <pfps> sandro: trackbot-ng sits on the IRC and records things
Sandro Hawke: trackbot-ng sits on the IRC and records things ←
17:24:29 <pfps> sandro: the owl wg home page has a pointer to the information gathered
Sandro Hawke: the owl wg home page has a pointer to the information gathered ←
17:25:23 <pfps> sandro: the web page allows management of actions and issues
Sandro Hawke: the web page allows management of actions and issues ←
17:26:18 <pfps> sandro: products (documents or tasks) are linked to issues and actions
Sandro Hawke: products (documents or tasks) are linked to issues and actions ←
17:26:48 <bijan> I got an email
Bijan Parsia: I got an email ←
17:26:55 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/ ←
17:26:59 <bijan> With: Subject: ISSUE-1 (test): Test Issue
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Unknown With: Subject: ISSUE-1 (test): Test Issue [ Scribe Assist by Bijan Parsia ] ←
17:27:13 <bijan> I see the webpage too
Bijan Parsia: I see the webpage too ←
17:28:15 <pfps> sandro: using the names of issues, (actions, etc) verbatim (ALLCAPS-#) in email links them in
Sandro Hawke: using the names of issues, (actions, etc) verbatim (ALLCAPS-#) in email links them in ←
17:28:59 <pfps> sandro: wiki integration is not yet available (but might be coming)
Sandro Hawke: wiki integration is not yet available (but might be coming) ←
17:29:28 <pfps> ianh: are we going to use this?
Ian Horrocks: are we going to use this? ←
17:29:41 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
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17:29:46 <pfps> alan: PROPOSED: move all current issues to trackbot
Alan Ruttenberg: PROPOSED: move all current issues to trackbot ←
17:29:46 <alanr> PROPOSED Move current issues to tracker
Alan Ruttenberg: PROPOSED Move current issues to tracker ←
17:30:04 <pfps> sandro: there was discussion of this offline
Sandro Hawke: there was discussion of this offline ←
17:30:17 <pfps> bijan: let's discuss this on email
Bijan Parsia: let's discuss this on email ←
17:31:02 <pfps> sandro: one issue is that it would be nice to have proposed issues and accepted issues
Sandro Hawke: one issue is that it would be nice to have proposed issues and accepted issues ←
17:31:03 <alanr> ok. wait one week. withdraw proposed
Alan Ruttenberg: ok. wait one week. withdraw proposed ←
17:31:14 <bijan> zakim, mute me
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17:31:45 <pfps> alanr: will there be an open-to-the-world issues list?
Alan Ruttenberg: will there be an open-to-the-world issues list? ←
17:31:51 <bijan> Isn't that what I'm sending email about?
Bijan Parsia: Isn't that what I'm sending email about? ←
17:32:05 <alanr> yes
Alan Ruttenberg: yes ←
17:32:09 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
17:32:10 <pfps> sandro: interest but no decision yet
Sandro Hawke: interest but no decision yet ←
17:32:26 <pfps> ianh: for next week's agenda: discuss this
Ian Horrocks: for next week's agenda: discuss this ←
17:32:36 <pfps> Topic: Publication Schedule
17:32:53 <pfps> sandro: process requirements for WGs
Sandro Hawke: process requirements for WGs ←
17:33:38 <sandro> Sandro: Very roughly, our job, as a W3C Working Group, is to create specifications which everyone in the world regards as "good enough". ("Good enough", perhaps to by not worthwhile to produce a competing spec.)
Sandro Hawke: Very roughly, our job, as a W3C Working Group, is to create specifications which everyone in the world regards as "good enough". ("Good enough", perhaps to by not worthwhile to produce a competing spec.) [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:33:43 <sandro> Sandro: The W3C process has evolved over the past ~13 years to help us achieve this goal.
Sandro Hawke: The W3C process has evolved over the past ~13 years to help us achieve this goal. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:33:49 <sandro> Sandro: Step 1 - we come up with a design that's a starting point; ask the world for input. (First Public Working Draft - WD1)
Sandro Hawke: Step 1 - we come up with a design that's a starting point; ask the world for input. (First Public Working Draft - WD1) [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:33:55 <trackbot-ng> Tracking ISSUEs and ACTIONs from http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/
Trackbot IRC Bot: Tracking ISSUEs and ACTIONs from http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/ ←
17:34:06 <sandro> Sandro: Step 2 - we iterate the design until we think it's good enough (more Working Drafts, Last Call Working Draft - LC)
Sandro Hawke: Step 2 - we iterate the design until we think it's good enough (more Working Drafts, Last Call Working Draft - LC) [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:34:31 <sandro> Sandro: Step 3 - we incorporate any LC feedback to produce an even better spec, and ask for people to implement it. (Candidate Recommendation - CR)
Sandro Hawke: Step 3 - we incorporate any LC feedback to produce an even better spec, and ask for people to implement it. (Candidate Recommendation - CR) [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:35:06 <sandro> Sandro: Step 5 - once there is proof of interoperability, we incorporate feedback into another draft (Proposed Recommendation - PR)
Sandro Hawke: Step 5 - once there is proof of interoperability, we incorporate feedback into another draft (Proposed Recommendation - PR) [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:35:27 <sandro> Sandro: Step 6 - the PR is evaluated by W3C members; if they approve, it becomes a Recommendation (REC).
Sandro Hawke: Step 6 - the PR is evaluated by W3C members; if they approve, it becomes a Recommendation (REC). [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:35:54 <sandro> Sandro: If a problem comes up in the later stages, we may have to go back to step 2, iterating the design some more.
Sandro Hawke: If a problem comes up in the later stages, we may have to go back to step 2, iterating the design some more. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:36:11 <jjc> q+ to comment on step 6
Unknown jjc: q+ to comment on step 6 ←
17:36:18 <alanr> qq?
Alan Ruttenberg: qq? ←
17:36:21 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
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17:36:28 <sandro> ack Jjc
Sandro Hawke: ack Jjc ←
17:36:29 <Zakim> jjc, you wanted to comment on step 6
Zakim IRC Bot: jjc, you wanted to comment on step 6 ←
17:37:13 <pfps> jjc: step 6 is not a note, but something different involving the director
Unknown jjc: step 6 is not a vote, but something different involving the director ←
17:37:21 <pfps> s/note/vote
17:37:34 <pfps> sandro: no observable differences yet
Sandro Hawke: no observable differences yet ←
17:38:55 <pfps> sandro: there is internal consultation within the W3C staff to make decisions
Sandro Hawke: there is internal consultation within the W3C staff to make decisions ←
17:38:59 <jjc> Zakim, mute me
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17:39:32 <pfps> PROPOSED: Our first working drafts are: Structural Specification, Semantics, RDF Mapping
PROPOSED: Our first working drafts are: Structural Specification, Semantics, RDF Mapping ←
17:39:48 <bijan> q+ to say we should publish earlier than F2F
Bijan Parsia: q+ to say we should publish earlier than F2F ←
17:40:07 <pfps> alanr: this means focussing on the core documents, not to say that the current versions are what the first working draft would be
Alan Ruttenberg: this means focussing on the core documents, not to say that the current versions are what the first working draft would be ←
17:40:15 <jjc> Comment: it would be more usual to publish requirements before the answers ...
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Unknown Comment: it would be more usual to publish requirements before the answers ... [ Scribe Assist by Unknown jjc ] ←
17:40:22 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
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17:40:29 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
17:40:40 <alanr> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
17:40:40 <Zakim> bijan, you wanted to say we should publish earlier than F2F
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan, you wanted to say we should publish earlier than F2F ←
17:40:42 <pfps> bijan: working drafts are not commitments
Bijan Parsia: working drafts are not commitments ←
17:41:03 <pfps> bijan: we should publish working drafts before the F2F
Bijan Parsia: we should publish working drafts before the F2F ←
17:41:35 <pfps> bijan: this makes transition from webont.org to w3c space
Bijan Parsia: this makes transition from webont.org to w3c space ←
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17:42:03 <pfps> bijan: PROPOSE making the documents as WDs ASAP
Bijan Parsia: PROPOSE making the documents as WDs ASAP ←
17:42:16 <bijan> yes
Bijan Parsia: yes ←
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17:42:34 <pfps> alanr: two steps in resolution 1/ are these docs OK for WDs, 2/ when to publish
Alan Ruttenberg: two steps in resolution 1/ are these docs OK for WDs, 2/ when to publish ←
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17:43:01 <jjc> q+ to note requirements logically precede
Unknown jjc: q+ to note requirements logically precede ←
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17:43:07 <pfps> RESOLUTION: existing webont documents are first WDs (appropriately edited)
PROPOSED: existing webont documents are first WDs (appropriately edited) ←
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17:43:37 <sandro> NOT RESOLVED
Sandro Hawke: NOT RESOLVED ←
17:43:44 <vipul> q+
Vipul Kashyap: q+ ←
17:43:44 <pfps> s/RESOLUTION/PROPOSED/
17:43:44 <vipul> q+
Vipul Kashyap: q+ ←
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17:44:08 <IanH> PROPOSED: Our first working drafts are: Structural Specification, Semantics, RDF Mapping
PROPOSED: Our first working drafts are: Structural Specification, Semantics, RDF Mapping ←
17:44:46 <sandro> this is as-per http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/ ?
Sandro Hawke: this is as-per http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/ ? ←
17:45:14 <pfps> jjc: deliverables have a requirements document, which logically should preceed the technical document
Unknown jjc: deliverables have a requirements document, which logically should preceed the technical document ←
17:45:16 <jjc> Requirements:
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17:45:16 <jjc> A description of the goals and requirements that have motivated the design of OWL 1.1.
Unknown jjc: A description of the goals and requirements that have motivated the design of OWL 1.1. ←
17:45:33 <sandro> ie http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/owl_specification.html http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/semantics.html and http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/rdf_mapping.html
Sandro Hawke: ie http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/owl_specification.html http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/semantics.html and http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/rdf_mapping.html ←
17:46:08 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
17:46:18 <Zakim> -Alan_Ruttenberg
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17:46:19 <JeffP> zakim, who is talking
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17:46:19 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', JeffP
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17:46:41 <pfps> alanr: jeremy, would doing things with requirements later damage our process
Alan Ruttenberg: jeremy, would doing things with requirements later damage our process ←
17:46:44 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
17:46:47 <IanH> Note: charter says that requirements are "A description of the goals and requirements that have motivated the design of OWL 1.1"
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Unknown Note: charter says that requirements are "A description of the goals and requirements that have motivated the design of OWL 1.1" [ Scribe Assist by Ian Horrocks ] ←
17:46:49 <sandro> ack jjc
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17:46:49 <Zakim> jjc, you wanted to note requirements logically precede
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17:47:01 <Zakim> +Alan_Ruttenberg
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17:47:35 <pfps> ianh: charter says that requirement doc is a description of how owl 1.1 was developed
Ian Horrocks: charter says that requirement doc is a description of how owl 1.1 was developed ←
17:47:37 <JeffP> +1 IanH
17:47:52 <jjc> Zakim, mute me
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17:47:54 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:47:55 <sandro> ack vipul
Sandro Hawke: ack vipul ←
17:48:14 <bijan> -1 to internal review
Bijan Parsia: -1 to internal review ←
17:48:26 <pfps> vipul: shouldn't there be an internal review before the WDs are published
Vipul Kashyap: shouldn't there be an internal review before the WDs are published ←
17:49:43 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
17:50:30 <pfps> vipul: my votes on other issues depend on this issue
Vipul Kashyap: my votes on other issues depend on this issue ←
17:50:43 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
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17:50:43 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
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17:51:17 <pfps> bijan: first WG is first *public* WD
Bijan Parsia: first WG is first *public* WD ←
17:51:39 <pfps> ianh: can we move the documents to editor's drafts to have the same effect
Ian Horrocks: can we move the documents to editor's drafts to have the same effect ←
17:52:04 <pfps> alanr: Q1 are the three documents the ones to target for first WDs
Alan Ruttenberg: Q1 are the three documents the ones to target for first WDs ←
17:52:25 <sandro> PROPOSED-1 :Our first working drafts, to be published before the 3-month heartbeat, will be: Structural Specification, Semantics, RDF Mapping, based closely on http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/
Sandro Hawke: PROPOSED-1 :Our first working drafts, to be published before the 3-month heartbeat, will be: Structural Specification, Semantics, RDF Mapping, based closely on http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/ ←
17:52:26 <pfps> alanr: Q2 when should we make the three documents be WDs
Alan Ruttenberg: Q2 when should we make the three documents be WDs ←
17:52:32 <ekw> +q
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Unknown ekw: +q ←
17:53:08 <IanH> ?q
Ian Horrocks: ?q ←
17:53:16 <sandro> PROPOSED: Our first working drafts, to be published before the 3-month heartbeat, will be: Structural Specification, Semantics, RDF Mapping, based on the text for each of these at http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/
PROPOSED: Our first working drafts, to be published before the 3-month heartbeat, will be: Structural Specification, Semantics, RDF Mapping, based on the text for each of these at http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/ ←
17:53:55 <jjc> q+ to suggest s/will be:/will be one or more of:/
Unknown jjc: q+ to suggest s/will be:/will be one or more of:/ ←
17:53:57 <sandro> PROPOSED: Our first working drafts, to be published before the 3-month heartbeat, will be: (1) Structural Specification, (2) Semantics, (3) RDF Mapping, based on the text for each of these at http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/
PROPOSED: Our first working drafts, to be published before the 3-month heartbeat, will be: (1) Structural Specification, (2) Semantics, (3) RDF Mapping, based on the text for each of these at http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/ ←
17:53:58 <pfps> bijan: there was requirements work going into owl 1.1, but no doc was make
Bijan Parsia: there was requirements work going into owl 1.1, but no doc was made ←
17:54:08 <sandro> s/make/made
17:54:26 <bijan> zakim, mute me
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17:54:26 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking? ←
17:54:27 <pfps> bijan: putting requirements doc first would significantly delay technical work
Bijan Parsia: putting requirements doc first would significantly delay technical work ←
17:54:27 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
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17:54:41 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: Alan_Ruttenberg (42%), Sandro (87%)
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: Alan_Ruttenberg (42%), Sandro (87%) ←
17:54:44 <bijan> No
Bijan Parsia: No ←
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17:55:11 <sandro> Evan: Are we implying that SS fills the role of the descriptive spec?
Evan Wallace: Are we implying that SS fills the role of the descriptive spec? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:55:36 <bijan> I do think we might evolve the structural specification toward a descriptive as well a formal specification, but that's a distinct decision.
Bijan Parsia: I do think we might evolve the structural specification toward a descriptive as well a formal specification, but that's a distinct decision. ←
17:55:47 <sandro> Ian: No -- we're implying that these three dovument form the technical spec
Ian Horrocks: No -- we're implying that these three document form the technical spec [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:56:11 <sandro> s/dovu/docu/
17:56:13 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
17:56:18 <sandro> ack bijan
Sandro Hawke: ack bijan ←
17:56:22 <sandro> ack ekw
Sandro Hawke: ack ekw ←
17:56:24 <sandro> ack jjc
Sandro Hawke: ack jjc ←
17:56:24 <Zakim> jjc, you wanted to suggest s/will be:/will be one or more of:/
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17:56:44 <sandro> PROPOSED: Our first working drafts, to be published before the 3-month heartbeat, will be one or more of: (1) Structural Specification, (2) Semantics, (3) RDF Mapping, based on the text for each of these at http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/
PROPOSED: Our first working drafts, to be published before the 3-month heartbeat, will be one or more of: (1) Structural Specification, (2) Semantics, (3) RDF Mapping, based on the text for each of these at http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/ ←
17:57:24 <sandro> PROPOSED: Our first working drafts, to be published before the 3-month heartbeat, will be one: (1) Structural Specification, (2) Semantics. We may include (3) RDF Mapping in this list. These are based on the text for each of these at http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/
PROPOSED: Our first working drafts, to be published before the 3-month heartbeat, will be one: (1) Structural Specification, (2) Semantics. We may include (3) RDF Mapping in this list. These are based on the text for each of these at http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/ ←
17:57:32 <bijan> The current docuemnts are already hugely public. Publishing as WD does not endorse the current design. We know it will changed. We know all three will be changed. Many times.
Bijan Parsia: The current docuemnts are already hugely public. Publishing as WD does not endorse the current design. We know it will changed. We know all three will be changed. Many times. ←
17:57:59 <sandro> jjc: HP may object to (3), so let's make it optional.
Unknown jjc: HP may object to (3), so let's make it optional. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:58:39 <bijan> zakim, mute me
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17:58:39 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
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17:58:41 <sandro> RESOLVED: Our first working drafts, to be published before the 3-month heartbeat, will be one: (1) Structural Specification, (2) Semantics. We may include (3) RDF Mapping in this list. These are based on the text for each of these at http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/
RESOLVED: Our first working drafts, to be published before the 3-month heartbeat, will be one: (1) Structural Specification, (2) Semantics. We may include (3) RDF Mapping in this list. These are based on the text for each of these at http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/ ←
17:58:59 <bijan> Which discussion?
Bijan Parsia: Which discussion? ←
17:59:06 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap
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17:59:23 <bijan> +1 to proposing discussion of document roles and task forces to next week
Bijan Parsia: +1 to proposing discussion of document roles and task forces to next week ←
17:59:27 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
17:59:28 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
17:59:31 <sandro> Alan: next topic was to be authors/editors role, task areas.... I propose we put these off until next week.
Alan Ruttenberg: next topic was to be authors/editors role, task areas.... I propose we put these off until next week. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
17:59:35 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
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17:59:35 <Elisa> +1
Elisa Kendall: +1 ←
17:59:40 <sandro> ack bijan
Sandro Hawke: ack bijan ←
17:59:44 <pfps> q?
q? ←
18:00:17 <bijan> zakim, mute me
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18:00:17 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
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18:00:18 <ekw> +1 on Bijan's suggestion for email discussion of postponed items
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Unknown ekw: +1 on Bijan's suggestion for email discussion of postponed items ←
18:00:21 <sandro> Bijan: When we postpone things, let's talk about it on the mailing list.
Bijan Parsia: When we postpone things, let's talk about it on the mailing list. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:00:35 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
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18:00:39 <sandro> Alan: I can create the draft of the next agenda early, and send that out, to help start discussion.
Alan Ruttenberg: I can create the draft of the next agenda early, and send that out, to help start discussion. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:00:50 <sandro> Bijan: It doesn't need to be the whole agenda, although that's fine.
Bijan Parsia: It doesn't need to be the whole agenda, although that's fine. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:00:50 <bijan> zakim, mute me
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18:00:50 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
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18:00:50 <bmotik> E-mail discussions can be tedious, though.
Boris Motik: E-mail discussions can be tedious, though. ←
18:00:59 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
18:01:05 <bijan> There's a secodn proposal
Bijan Parsia: There's a secodn proposal ←
18:01:18 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
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18:01:18 <JeffP> +1 bye
18:01:20 <Zakim> -jjc
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18:01:23 <Zakim> -MikeSmith
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18:01:24 <MarkusK> bye
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18:01:24 <Zakim> -Fabien
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18:01:25 <sandro> decision to adjourn, as per Alan's proposal.
Sandro Hawke: decision to adjourn, as per Alan's proposal. ←
18:01:25 <Zakim> -Elisa_Kendall
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18:01:26 <Zakim> -bijan
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18:01:27 <sandro> ADJOURN
Sandro Hawke: ADJOURN ←
18:01:28 <Zakim> -JeffP
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18:01:28 <Zakim> -Alan_Ruttenberg
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18:01:30 <Zakim> -Ian
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18:01:41 <Zakim> -bmotik
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18:01:42 <bijan> So we postpone the second decision as well?
Bijan Parsia: So we postpone the second decision as well? ←
18:01:42 <Zakim> -Achille
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18:02:00 <sandro> I guess so, Bijan! Oops.
Sandro Hawke: I guess so, Bijan! Oops. ←
18:02:09 <sandro> RRSAgent, make minutes
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make minutes ←
18:02:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-owl-minutes.html sandro
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-owl-minutes.html sandro ←
18:02:25 <bijan> I was trying to unmute to point this out when everyone bailed :)
Bijan Parsia: I was trying to unmute to point this out when everyone bailed :) ←
18:02:56 <bijan> How about I send an email about this?
Bijan Parsia: How about I send an email about this? ←
18:02:59 <bijan> Since it's my proposal?
Bijan Parsia: Since it's my proposal? ←
18:04:08 <Zakim> -Sandro
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18:04:12 <Zakim> -pfps
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18:04:13 <Zakim> SW_OWL()1:00PM has ended
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18:04:14 <Zakim> Attendees were Sandro, bijan, Achille, Alan_Ruttenberg, bmotik, +1.301.975.aaaa, Elisa_Kendall, MikeSmith, +018652aacc, Vipul_Kashyap, pfps, Fabien, jjc, Ian, +012242aadd, JeffP,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Sandro, bijan, Achille, Alan_Ruttenberg, bmotik, +1.301.975.aaaa, Elisa_Kendall, MikeSmith, +018652aacc, Vipul_Kashyap, pfps, Fabien, jjc, Ian, +012242aadd, JeffP, ←
18:04:16 <Zakim> ... MarkusK, Evan_Wallace
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18:04:26 <sandro> I think that makes sense.
Sandro Hawke: I think that makes sense. ←
18:04:33 <bijan> Doing so
Bijan Parsia: Doing so ←
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