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14:58:13 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
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14:58:13 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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14:58:14 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:58:14 <trackbot> Date: 10 November 2014
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14:59:11 <Zakim> +deiu
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14:59:26 <Zakim> +azaroth
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14:59:48 <Zakim> +Arnaud
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15:00:51 <Zakim> +Sandro
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15:02:23 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
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15:02:43 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
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15:02:55 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
15:02:57 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
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15:02:58 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
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15:02:59 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
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15:03:00 <Zakim> +bblfish
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15:03:13 <bblfish> hi
Henry Story: hi ←
15:05:22 <Zakim> +Steve_Speicher
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15:05:31 <SteveS> zakim, Steve_Speicher is me
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15:05:31 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
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15:07:44 <deiu> scribenick: deiu
(Scribe set to Andrei Sambra)
<deiu> chair: Arnaud
<deiu> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.11.10
15:08:02 <deiu> Topic: Admin
15:08:06 <pchampin>[~pchampin@public.cloak] entered the room.
Pierre-Antoine Champin: [~pchampin@public.cloak] entered the room. ←
15:08:23 <deiu> Arnaud: there was an error in the last minutes, which tells me people don't read the minutes
Arnaud Le Hors: there was an error in the last minutes, which tells me people don't read the minutes ←
15:08:39 <deiu> ...we can safely approve them since there was no resolution
...we can safely approve them since there was no resolution ←
15:08:45 <deiu> RESOLVED: Minutes of 3 November 2014 http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-11-03 Approved
RESOLVED: Minutes of 3 November 2014 http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-11-03 Approved ←
15:08:46 <bblfish> minutes are useful, and are important in that case
Henry Story: minutes are useful, and are important in that case ←
<deiu> Arnaud: Next meeting 17 November
Arnaud Le Hors: Next meeting 17 November ←
15:08:57 <Zakim> +??P13
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15:09:00 <deiu> Topic: Tracking of Actions & Issues
15:09:09 <Zakim> -??P13
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15:09:16 <Arnaud> action-150
15:09:17 <trackbot> action-150 -- Alexandre Bertails to Add support for arbitrary text/turtle for the add operation in ldpatch -- due 2014-10-06 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-150 -- Alexandre Bertails to Add support for arbitrary text/turtle for the add operation in ldpatch -- due 2014-10-06 -- OPEN ←
15:09:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/150
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15:10:32 <deiu> deiu will address action-150
deiu will address ACTION-150 ←
<deiu> Topic: LDP Spec
15:10:47 <deiu> Arnaud: status update
Arnaud Le Hors: status update ←
15:11:00 <deiu> ...I sent the transition request but I didn't hear anything
...I sent the transition request but I didn't hear anything ←
15:11:10 <deiu> ...I believe Eric needs to set up the call with W3M
...I believe Eric needs to set up the call with W3M ←
15:11:20 <deiu> ...but I haven't heard anything from him
...but I haven't heard anything from him ←
15:11:28 <deiu> ...too bad he's not available right now to hear what the status is
...too bad he's not available right now to hear what the status is ←
<deiu> Topic: LDP Paging Spec
15:11:45 <deiu> Arnaud: Paging is not doing better either; the editors have updated the spec
Arnaud Le Hors: Paging is not doing better either; the editors have updated the spec ←
15:11:52 <deiu> maybe SteveS can tell us more about it?
...maybe SteveS can tell us more about it? ←
15:12:07 <deiu> s/maybe SteveS can tell us more about it?/...maybe SteveS can tell us more about it?
15:12:40 <deiu> ...the process seems to have changed lately, merging two steps into one
...the process seems to have changed lately, merging two steps into one ←
15:12:55 <deiu> sandro: try sending an email to Ralph just to make sure (informally)
Sandro Hawke: try sending an email to Ralph just to make sure (informally) ←
15:13:00 <Zakim> +ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP ←
15:13:11 <deiu> Arnaud: what I meant about the paging spec: you get to LC and then CR
Arnaud Le Hors: what I meant about the paging spec: you get to LC and then CR ←
15:13:44 <deiu> ...you cannot do the disposition of comments and implementation reports at the same time
...you cannot do the disposition of comments and implementation reports at the same time ←
15:14:38 <deiu> ...there's no real change to the timeline, even if theoretically it should be faster
...there's no real change to the timeline, even if theoretically it should be faster ←
15:15:17 <deiu> ...in conclusion: the spec is ready
...in conclusion: the spec is ready ←
15:15:32 <deiu> SteveS: the key thing to cover is that there were a couple of items marked "at risk"
Steve Speicher: the key thing to cover is that there were a couple of items marked "at risk" ←
15:15:51 <deiu> ...I only got some pushback for the new status code (we didn't get support from IETF)
...I only got some pushback for the new status code (we didn't get support from IETF) ←
15:16:15 <deiu> ...so I removed that from the spec, as well as the "at risk" markers from a couple of places in the spec
...so I removed that from the spec, as well as the "at risk" markers from a couple of places in the spec ←
15:16:33 <deiu> Arnaud: ok, so that should have been formally minuted
Arnaud Le Hors: ok, so that should have been formally minuted ←
15:16:56 <deiu> ...the point is 2NN is abandoned so SteveS removed it from the spec
...the point is 2NN is abandoned so SteveS removed it from the spec ←
15:17:20 <deiu> ...John worked really hard on 2NN and it's a pity we had to remove a big chunk from the spec
...John worked really hard on 2NN and it's a pity we had to remove a big chunk from the spec ←
15:17:56 <deiu> ...so Eric, I'm waiting for a confirmation for the call re. the TR
...so Eric, I'm waiting for a confirmation for the call re. the TR ←
15:18:18 <deiu> ericP: I can reply to your email
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I can reply to your email ←
15:18:58 <deiu> ...people on the W3M call can be you, staff contacts and maybe editors
...people on the W3M call can be you, staff contacts and maybe editors ←
15:19:27 <deiu> ericP: it might be easier to get a different call for the paging req
Eric Prud'hommeaux: it might be easier to get a different call for the paging req ←
15:19:39 <deiu> ...let's try not to sneak it in
...let's try not to sneak it in ←
15:19:46 <deiu> Topic: LD Patch format
15:20:05 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone? ←
15:20:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see deiu, azaroth, Arnaud, Sandro, Ashok_Malhotra, TallTed (muted), bblfish, SteveS, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see deiu, azaroth, Arnaud, Sandro, Ashok_Malhotra, TallTed (muted), bblfish, SteveS, ericP ←
15:20:08 <bblfish> pchampin: ?
Pierre-Antoine Champin: ? [ Scribe Assist by Henry Story ] ←
15:20:25 <pchampin> can't manage to reach zakim, sorry :-(
Pierre-Antoine Champin: can't manage to reach zakim, sorry :-( ←
15:20:58 <pchampin> not much progress to report anyway, I'm afraid...
Pierre-Antoine Champin: not much progress to report anyway, I'm afraid... ←
15:22:59 <Zakim> + +33.9.51.77.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.9.51.77.aaaa ←
15:23:05 <pchampin> zakim, aaaa is me
Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, aaaa is me ←
15:23:05 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pchampin; got it ←
15:24:41 <deiu> pchampin: we're looking at having some SPARQL-like syntax allowed in the add operation
Pierre-Antoine Champin: we're looking at having some SPARQL-like syntax allowed in the add operation ←
15:24:51 <deiu> pchampin: we haven't made a lot of progress
Pierre-Antoine Champin: we haven't made a lot of progress ←
15:25:10 <deiu> Arnaud: it seems like the spec has been sitting there
Arnaud Le Hors: it seems like the spec has been sitting there ←
15:25:24 <deiu> ...we haven't seen a lot of updates
...we haven't seen a lot of updates ←
15:25:55 <deiu> ...what is our position as a group? We agreed overall that we want to push it further...
...what is our position as a group? We agreed overall that we want to push it further... ←
15:26:13 <deiu> ...I don't feel like there's a strong motivation to push it at this point
...I don't feel like there's a strong motivation to push it at this point ←
15:26:14 <bblfish> I think we need a PATCH format
Henry Story: I think we need a PATCH format ←
15:26:32 <azaroth> q+
Robert Sanderson: q+ ←
15:26:37 <deiu> Arnaud: are you still interested in putting in effort?
Arnaud Le Hors: are you still interested in putting in effort? ←
15:26:40 <Arnaud> ack azaroth
Arnaud Le Hors: ack azaroth ←
15:27:01 <deiu> azaroth: we're still interested in it, mostly because the PUT operation to update is constrained
Robert Sanderson: we're still interested in it, mostly because the PUT operation to update is constrained ←
15:27:17 <deiu> ...we haven't worked on it yet, but it's something that we think is valuable
...we haven't worked on it yet, but it's something that we think is valuable ←
15:27:17 <deiu> q+
q+ ←
15:27:22 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
15:27:23 <SteveS> q+
Steve Speicher: q+ ←
15:27:25 <Arnaud> ack deiu
Arnaud Le Hors: ack deiu ←
15:29:18 <azaroth> To clarify, we don't particularly care about the style, we just need the functionality
Robert Sanderson: To clarify, we don't particularly care about the format, we just need the functionality ←
15:29:26 <azaroth> s/style/format/
15:29:29 <bblfish> well everyone I think needs PATCH, but we could vote on it.
Henry Story: well everyone I think needs PATCH, but we could vote on it. ←
15:29:40 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
15:30:20 <deiu> bblfish: I think everyone needs PATCH
Henry Story: I think everyone needs PATCH ←
15:30:43 <deiu> ...the format I see as being mostly used is SPARQL UPDATE
...the format I see as being mostly used is SPARQL UPDATE ←
15:30:59 <ericP> i suspect the fastest path is to publish http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARQL_patch?lang=perl&markup=html#productions with an at-risk crazy scheme for lists
Eric Prud'hommeaux: i suspect the fastest path is to publish http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARQL_patch?lang=perl&markup=html#productions with an at-risk crazy scheme for lists ←
15:31:05 <pchampin> q+
15:31:08 <ericP> semantics are done
Eric Prud'hommeaux: semantics are done ←
15:31:09 <Zakim> -SteveS
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS ←
15:31:33 <Arnaud> ack pchampin
Arnaud Le Hors: ack pchampin ←
15:31:41 <Zakim> +SteveS
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS ←
15:31:50 <deiu> pchampin: I understand Henry, and I think it is a pragmatic solution
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I understand Henry, and I think it is a pragmatic solution ←
15:32:10 <deiu> ...assuming that a SPARQL query fails, you would have a non-atomic operation
...assuming that a SPARQL query fails, you would have a non-atomic operation ←
15:32:29 <deiu> ...we need atomicity and you can't have it right now with the current SPARQL UPDATE
...we need atomicity and you can't have it right now with the current SPARQL UPDATE ←
15:32:48 <deiu> ...I believe there's room for a dedicated language with real PATCH semantics
...I believe there's room for a dedicated language with real PATCH semantics ←
15:32:55 <Arnaud> ack SteveS
Arnaud Le Hors: ack SteveS ←
15:33:09 <bblfish> pchampin: the atomiticy problem in SPARQL Update is due to what? Is that due to the ability to PATCH subgraphs ?
Pierre-Antoine Champin: the atomiticy problem in SPARQL Update is due to what? Is that due to the ability to PATCH subgraphs ? [ Scribe Assist by Henry Story ] ←
15:33:34 <deiu> SteveS: PUT has a ton of overhead and complexity, so PATCH is relevant to us
Steve Speicher: PUT has a ton of overhead and complexity, so PATCH is relevant to us ←
15:33:52 <deiu> ...we have a small profile of what is in LD patch today
...we have a small profile of what is in LD patch today ←
15:34:26 <deiu> ...re. the group not being interested, I have given my feedback several times so far
...re. the group not being interested, I have given my feedback several times so far ←
15:34:37 <deiu> ...I have some requirements as to what the format should be
...I have some requirements as to what the format should be ←
15:36:04 <deiu> Arnaud: we don't have any issues opened today against the LD patch draft
Arnaud Le Hors: we don't have any issues opened today against the LD patch draft ←
15:36:16 <ericP> q+ to propose that the fastest path may be to publish http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARQL_patch?lang=perl&markup=html#productions with an at-risk MEMBERS function for lists. MEMBERS looks like "?recipe :hasIngrediences MEMBERS(?ingredient)".
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to propose that the fastest path may be to publish http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARQL_patch?lang=perl&markup=html#productions with an at-risk MEMBERS function for lists. MEMBERS looks like "?recipe :hasIngrediences MEMBERS(?ingredient)". ←
15:36:21 <deiu> ...I agree we should make this a primary topic for the group to discuss
...I agree we should make this a primary topic for the group to discuss ←
15:36:36 <deiu> ...we don't have much to talk about right now, other than the new charter
...we don't have much to talk about right now, other than the new charter ←
15:37:14 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:37:15 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted ←
15:37:42 <deiu> Arnaud: so what if we try to push it further by sending it to LC
Arnaud Le Hors: so what if we try to push it further by sending it to LC ←
15:38:02 <deiu> q+
q+ ←
15:38:04 <Ashok> q+
Ashok Malhotra: q+ ←
15:38:22 <deiu> TallTed: I don't really think we're there yet
Ted Thibodeau: I don't really think we're there yet ←
15:38:25 <Arnaud> ack ericP
Arnaud Le Hors: ack ericP ←
15:38:25 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to propose that the fastest path may be to publish http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARQL_patch?lang=perl&markup=html#productions with an at-risk MEMBERS
Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to propose that the fastest path may be to publish http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARQL_patch?lang=perl&markup=html#productions with an at-risk MEMBERS ←
15:38:28 <Zakim> ... function for lists. MEMBERS looks like "?recipe :hasIngrediences MEMBERS(?ingredient)".
Zakim IRC Bot: ... function for lists. MEMBERS looks like "?recipe :hasIngrediences MEMBERS(?ingredient)". ←
15:38:36 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:38:36 <Zakim> TallTed was not muted, TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed was not muted, TallTed ←
15:38:42 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:38:42 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted ←
15:38:54 <deiu> ericP: there's a grammar for a subset of SPARQL update that has some stuff for lists
Eric Prud'hommeaux: there's a grammar for a subset of SPARQL update that has some stuff for lists ←
15:39:11 <deiu> ...in my implementation I use something for expanding lists, which shouldn't be hard to document
...in my implementation I use something for expanding lists, which shouldn't be hard to document ←
15:39:34 <deiu> ...we could say -- "unline SPARL update, when you use this for PATCH, you must guarantee atomicity..."
...we could say -- "unline SPARL update, when you use this for PATCH, you must guarantee atomicity..." ←
15:39:45 <Arnaud> ack deiu
Arnaud Le Hors: ack deiu ←
15:40:39 <deiu> deiu: we have several implementations right now that work
Andrei Sambra: we have several implementations right now that work ←
15:41:02 <Arnaud> ack Ashok
Arnaud Le Hors: ack Ashok ←
15:41:06 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
15:41:06 <deiu> Arnaud: right, and because we don't have any open issues, maybe we can move to LC and look for implementers
Arnaud Le Hors: right, and because we don't have any open issues, maybe we can move to LC and look for implementers ←
15:41:33 <deiu> Ashok: I am curious what happened here, because Andrei and Alexandre started very enthusiastic about it, but it looks like they're giving up
Ashok Malhotra: I am curious what happened here, because Andrei and Alexandre started very enthusiastic about it, but it looks like they're giving up ←
15:41:37 <deiu> ...I'm wondering why
...I'm wondering why ←
15:41:53 <SteveS> multiple comments we had was that we’d recommend a bit more formalism of the grammar and semantics, perhaps that should be an open issue/action ?
Steve Speicher: multiple comments we had was that we’d recommend a bit more formalism of the grammar and semantics, perhaps that should be an open issue/action ? ←
15:42:00 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:42:00 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted ←
15:42:12 <deiu> Arnaud: maybe they feel discouraged because there are not many people sending feedback
Arnaud Le Hors: maybe they feel discouraged because there are not many people sending feedback ←
15:42:38 <deiu> TallTed: it is a viable spec that works, even though maybe it doesn't scale or it doesn't fit all use cases
Ted Thibodeau: it is a viable spec that works, even though maybe it doesn't scale or it doesn't fit all use cases ←
15:42:44 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:42:44 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted ←
15:44:44 <bblfish> q-
Henry Story: q- ←
15:45:11 <deiu> Topic: Rechartering
15:45:32 <deiu> Arnaud: sandro and I were discussing this last week and he sent an email to the group
Arnaud Le Hors: sandro and I were discussing this last week and he sent an email to the group ←
15:46:01 <deiu> ...have people looked at it and want to react to it?
...have people looked at it and want to react to it? ←
15:46:21 <deiu> SteveS: I have a quick reaction
Steve Speicher: I have a quick reaction ←
15:46:33 <deiu> ...I see we still have some active work ahead of us in this group
...I see we still have some active work ahead of us in this group ←
15:47:15 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
15:47:19 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
15:47:22 <deiu> ...if we can somehow structure the charter so that there's an adoption period or learning period, to allow us to close loose ends and have less frequent calls
...if we can somehow structure the charter so that there's an adoption period or learning period, to allow us to close loose ends and have less frequent calls ←
15:47:45 <deiu> Arnaud: we could have a schedule that allows us to have a slow start, with less frequent calls
Arnaud Le Hors: we could have a schedule that allows us to have a slow start, with less frequent calls ←
15:48:12 <deiu> ...it seems that we either make that officially (by rechartering) or we just leave the WG in limbo and just wait
...it seems that we either make that officially (by rechartering) or we just leave the WG in limbo and just wait ←
15:48:20 <Arnaud> ack sandro
Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro ←
15:48:27 <deiu> ...we can still meet and use the mailing list even if we don't recharter
...we can still meet and use the mailing list even if we don't recharter ←
15:48:28 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:48:28 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted ←
15:48:30 <TallTed> q+
Ted Thibodeau: q+ ←
15:49:17 <deiu> sandro: when we talked about rechartering at our last f2f, I started thinking about LDP as a set of building blocks and from that context I can see for instance that patch is a separate building block..so is the notification mechanism
Sandro Hawke: when we talked about rechartering at our last f2f, I started thinking about LDP as a set of building blocks and from that context I can see for instance that patch is a separate building block..so is the notification mechanism ←
15:49:51 <deiu> ...I'm wondering if we can pick up each item from the wish list and work on it
...I'm wondering if we can pick up each item from the wish list and work on it ←
15:49:57 <Arnaud> ack TallTed
Arnaud Le Hors: ack TallTed ←
15:50:07 <deiu> ...if the item is not relevant to some people, they don't have to join the call for it
...if the item is not relevant to some people, they don't have to join the call for it ←
15:50:23 <deiu> TallTed: that means people will fall off the grid, and they get disengaged
Ted Thibodeau: that means people will fall off the grid, and they get disengaged ←
15:50:40 <deiu> ...rechartering immediately makes more sense to me
...rechartering immediately makes more sense to me ←
15:51:01 <deiu> q+
q+ ←
15:51:15 <Arnaud> ack deiu
Arnaud Le Hors: ack deiu ←
15:52:21 <deiu> Arnaud: I think we're better off rechartering, which won't happen before December
Arnaud Le Hors: I think we're better off rechartering, which won't happen before December ←
15:52:28 <deiu> ...it takes 4 weeks for AC review anyway
...it takes 4 weeks for AC review anyway ←
15:52:50 <deiu> ...so officially, we probably won't start before January 2015
...so officially, we probably won't start before January 2015 ←
15:53:20 <deiu> ...we can keep a regular schedule on, and if we decide to skip calls (or make them informal) then that's up to us
...we can keep a regular schedule on, and if we decide to skip calls (or make them informal) then that's up to us ←
15:53:45 <deiu> sandro: the current charter is pretty vague
Sandro Hawke: the current charter is pretty vague ←
15:55:09 <deiu> Arnaud: I doubt we'll have trouble with a charter that picks up on the previous one and just proposes extensions and improvements
Arnaud Le Hors: I doubt we'll have trouble with a charter that picks up on the previous one and just proposes extensions and improvements ←
15:55:44 <deiu> ...I can look at the table and shift everything by 3-6 months and at the same time, people should look at the questions we want to address
...I can look at the table and shift everything by 3-6 months and at the same time, people should look at the questions we want to address ←
15:56:23 <deiu> sandro: what's the timeline for the decision?
Sandro Hawke: what's the timeline for the decision? ←
15:56:23 <deiu> Arnaud: we expire at the end of the month, so should have an official position by then
Arnaud Le Hors: we expire at the end of the month, so should have an official position by then ←
15:56:49 <deiu> ...in the next 2 weeks we need to figure out what we want to do
...in the next 2 weeks we need to figure out what we want to do ←
15:57:03 <deiu> ...I want to have a charter ready for the end of the months so I can send it to the AC
...I want to have a charter ready for the end of the months so I can send it to the AC ←
15:57:20 <deiu> ...please use the time until the next call to look at the charter
...please use the time until the next call to look at the charter ←
15:57:52 <deiu> ...Steve mentioned the notion of sending updates, Sandro too
...Steve mentioned the notion of sending updates, Sandro too ←
15:58:04 <deiu> ...we need to come up with a list of items people are interested in
...we need to come up with a list of items people are interested in ←
15:59:20 <bblfish> thanks
Henry Story: thanks ←
15:59:21 <azaroth> Thanks all :)
Robert Sanderson: Thanks all :) ←
15:59:24 <deiu> [adjourned]
[adjourned] ←
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15:59:37 <Zakim> Attendees were deiu, azaroth, Arnaud, Sandro, Ashok_Malhotra, TallTed, bblfish, SteveS, ericP, +33.9.51.77.aaaa, pchampin
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<deiu> Present: deiu, azaroth, Arnaud, Sandro, Ashok_Malhotra, TallTed, bblfish, SteveS, ericP, pchampin
15:02:24 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
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15:02:45 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
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15:02:57 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
15:02:59 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:02:59 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
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15:03:01 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted ←
15:03:02 <Zakim> +bblfish
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15:03:15 <bblfish> hi
Henry Story: hi ←
15:05:24 <Zakim> +Steve_Speicher
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15:05:33 <SteveS> zakim, Steve_Speicher is me
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15:05:33 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
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15:07:46 <deiu> scribenick: deiu
15:08:04 <deiu> Topic: approving minutes
15:08:24 <deiu> Arnaud: there was an error in the last minutes, which tells me people don't read the minutes
Arnaud Le Hors: there was an error in the last minutes, which tells me people don't read the minutes ←
15:08:41 <deiu> ...we can safely approve them since there was no resolution
...we can safely approve them since there was no resolution ←
15:08:47 <deiu> ...minutes approved
...minutes approved ←
15:08:48 <bblfish> minutes are useful, and are important in that case
Henry Story: minutes are useful, and are important in that case ←
15:08:59 <Zakim> +??P13
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13 ←
15:09:02 <deiu> Topic: actions & issues
15:09:11 <Zakim> -??P13
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15:09:18 <Arnaud> action-150
15:09:18 <trackbot> action-150 -- Alexandre Bertails to Add support for arbitrary text/turtle for the add operation in ldpatch -- due 2014-10-06 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-150 -- Alexandre Bertails to Add support for arbitrary text/turtle for the add operation in ldpatch -- due 2014-10-06 -- OPEN ←
15:09:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/150
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/150 ←
15:10:34 <deiu> deiu will address action-150
deiu will address ACTION-150 ←
15:10:49 <deiu> Arnaud: status update
Arnaud Le Hors: status update ←
15:10:58 <deiu> ...I sent the transition request but I didn't hear anything
...I sent the transition request but I didn't hear anything ←
15:11:08 <deiu> ...I believe Eric needs to set up the call with W3M
...I believe Eric needs to set up the call with W3M ←
15:11:22 <deiu> ...but I haven't heard anything from him
...but I haven't heard anything from him ←
15:11:30 <deiu> ...too bad he's not available right now to hear what the status is
...too bad he's not available right now to hear what the status is ←
15:11:47 <deiu> ...paging is not doing better either; the editors have updated the spec
...paging is not doing better either; the editors have updated the spec ←
15:11:54 <deiu> maybe SteveS can tell us more about it?
...maybe SteveS can tell us more about it? ←
15:12:09 <deiu> s/maybe SteveS can tell us more about it?/...maybe SteveS can tell us more about it?
15:12:42 <deiu> ...the process seems to have changed lately, merging two steps into one
...the process seems to have changed lately, merging two steps into one ←
15:12:57 <deiu> sandro: try sending an email to Ralph just to make sure (informally)
Sandro Hawke: try sending an email to Ralph just to make sure (informally) ←
15:13:02 <Zakim> +ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP ←
15:13:13 <deiu> Arnaud: what I meant about the paging spec: you get to LC and then CR
Arnaud Le Hors: what I meant about the paging spec: you get to LC and then CR ←
15:13:46 <deiu> ...you cannot do the disposition of comments and implementation reports at the same time
...you cannot do the disposition of comments and implementation reports at the same time ←
15:14:40 <deiu> ...there's no real change to the timeline, even if theoretically it should be faster
...there's no real change to the timeline, even if theoretically it should be faster ←
15:15:19 <deiu> ...in conclusion: the spec is ready
...in conclusion: the spec is ready ←
15:15:34 <deiu> SteveS: the key thing to cover is that there were a couple of items marked "at risk"
Steve Speicher: the key thing to cover is that there were a couple of items marked "at risk" ←
15:15:53 <deiu> ...I only got some pushback for the new status code (we didn't get support from IETF)
...I only got some pushback for the new status code (we didn't get support from IETF) ←
15:16:17 <deiu> ...so I removed that from the spec, as well as the "at risk" markers from a couple of places in the spec
...so I removed that from the spec, as well as the "at risk" markers from a couple of places in the spec ←
15:16:35 <deiu> Arnaud: ok, so that should have been formally minuted
Arnaud Le Hors: ok, so that should have been formally minuted ←
15:16:58 <deiu> ...the point is 2NN is abandoned so SteveS removed it from the spec
...the point is 2NN is abandoned so SteveS removed it from the spec ←
15:17:22 <deiu> ...John worked really hard on 2NN and it's a pity we had to remove a big chunk from the spec
...John worked really hard on 2NN and it's a pity we had to remove a big chunk from the spec ←
15:17:58 <deiu> ...so Eric, I'm waiting for a confirmation for the call re. the TR
...so Eric, I'm waiting for a confirmation for the call re. the TR ←
15:18:20 <deiu> ericP: I can reply to your email
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I can reply to your email ←
15:19:00 <deiu> ...people on the W3M call can be you, staff contacts and maybe editors
...people on the W3M call can be you, staff contacts and maybe editors ←
15:19:29 <deiu> ericP: it might be easier to get a different call for the paging req
Eric Prud'hommeaux: it might be easier to get a different call for the paging req ←
15:19:41 <deiu> ...let's try not to sneak it in
...let's try not to sneak it in ←
15:19:48 <deiu> Topic: LD patch format
15:20:07 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone? ←
15:20:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see deiu, azaroth, Arnaud, Sandro, Ashok_Malhotra, TallTed (muted), bblfish, SteveS, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see deiu, azaroth, Arnaud, Sandro, Ashok_Malhotra, TallTed (muted), bblfish, SteveS, ericP ←
15:20:10 <bblfish> pchampin: ?
Pierre-Antoine Champin: ? [ Scribe Assist by Henry Story ] ←
15:20:27 <pchampin> can't manage to reach zakim, sorry :-(
Pierre-Antoine Champin: can't manage to reach zakim, sorry :-( ←
15:21:00 <pchampin> not much progress to report anyway, I'm afraid...
Pierre-Antoine Champin: not much progress to report anyway, I'm afraid... ←
15:23:01 <Zakim> + +33.9.51.77.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.9.51.77.aaaa ←
15:24:43 <deiu> pchampin: we're looking at having some SPARQL-like syntax allowed in the add operation
Pierre-Antoine Champin: we're looking at having some SPARQL-like syntax allowed in the add operation ←
15:24:53 <deiu> pchampin: we haven't made a lot of progress
Pierre-Antoine Champin: we haven't made a lot of progress ←
15:25:12 <deiu> Arnaud: it seems like the spec has been sitting there
Arnaud Le Hors: it seems like the spec has been sitting there ←
15:25:26 <deiu> ...we haven't seen a lot of updates
...we haven't seen a lot of updates ←
15:25:56 <deiu> ...what is our position as a group? We agreed overall that we want to push it further...
...what is our position as a group? We agreed overall that we want to push it further... ←
15:26:07 <deiu> ...I don't feel like there's a strong motivation to push it at this point
...I don't feel like there's a strong motivation to push it at this point ←
15:26:09 <bblfish> I think we need a PATCH format
Henry Story: I think we need a PATCH format ←
15:26:34 <azaroth> q+
Robert Sanderson: q+ ←
15:26:39 <deiu> Arnaud: are you still interested in putting in effort?
Arnaud Le Hors: are you still interested in putting in effort? ←
15:26:42 <Arnaud> ack azaroth
Arnaud Le Hors: ack azaroth ←
15:27:03 <deiu> azaroth: we're still interested in it, mostly because the PUT operation to update is constrained
Robert Sanderson: we're still interested in it, mostly because the PUT operation to update is constrained ←
15:27:19 <deiu> ...we haven't worked on it yet, but it's something that we think is valuable
...we haven't worked on it yet, but it's something that we think is valuable ←
15:27:19 <deiu> q+
q+ ←
15:27:24 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
15:27:24 <SteveS> q+
Steve Speicher: q+ ←
15:27:27 <Arnaud> ack deiu
Arnaud Le Hors: ack deiu ←
15:29:19 <azaroth> To clarify, we don't particularly care about the style, we just need the functionality
Robert Sanderson: To clarify, we don't particularly care about the format, we just need the functionality ←
15:29:28 <azaroth> s/style/format/
15:29:31 <bblfish> well everyone I think needs PATCH, but we could vote on it.
Henry Story: well everyone I think needs PATCH, but we could vote on it. ←
15:29:42 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
15:30:22 <deiu> bblfish: I think everyone needs PATCH
Henry Story: I think everyone needs PATCH ←
15:30:45 <deiu> ...the format I see as being mostly used is SPARQL UPDATE
...the format I see as being mostly used is SPARQL UPDATE ←
15:31:01 <ericP> i suspect the fastest path is to publish http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARQL_patch?lang=perl&markup=html#productions with an at-risk crazy scheme for lists
Eric Prud'hommeaux: i suspect the fastest path is to publish http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARQL_patch?lang=perl&markup=html#productions with an at-risk crazy scheme for lists ←
15:31:06 <pchampin> q+
15:31:09 <ericP> semantics are done
Eric Prud'hommeaux: semantics are done ←
15:31:11 <Zakim> -SteveS
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS ←
15:31:35 <Arnaud> ack pchampin
Arnaud Le Hors: ack pchampin ←
15:31:43 <Zakim> +SteveS
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS ←
15:31:52 <deiu> pchampin: I understand Henry, and I think it is a pragmatic solution
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I understand Henry, and I think it is a pragmatic solution ←
15:32:12 <deiu> ...assuming that a SPARQL query fails, you would have a non-atomic operation
...assuming that a SPARQL query fails, you would have a non-atomic operation ←
15:32:31 <deiu> ...we need atomicity and you can't have it right now with the current SPARQL UPDATE
...we need atomicity and you can't have it right now with the current SPARQL UPDATE ←
15:32:50 <deiu> ...I believe there's room for a dedicated language with real PATCH semantics
...I believe there's room for a dedicated language with real PATCH semantics ←
15:32:58 <Arnaud> ack SteveS
Arnaud Le Hors: ack SteveS ←
15:33:11 <bblfish> pchampin: the atomiticy problem in SPARQL Update is due to what? Is that due to the ability to PATCH subgraphs ?
Pierre-Antoine Champin: the atomiticy problem in SPARQL Update is due to what? Is that due to the ability to PATCH subgraphs ? [ Scribe Assist by Henry Story ] ←
15:33:36 <deiu> SteveS: PUT has a ton of overhead and complexity, so PATCH is relevant to us
Steve Speicher: PUT has a ton of overhead and complexity, so PATCH is relevant to us ←
15:33:54 <deiu> ...we have a small profile of what is in LD patch today
...we have a small profile of what is in LD patch today ←
15:34:28 <deiu> ...re. the group not being interested, I have given my feedback several times so far
...re. the group not being interested, I have given my feedback several times so far ←
15:34:39 <deiu> ...I have some requirements as to what the format should be
...I have some requirements as to what the format should be ←
15:36:06 <deiu> Arnaud: we don't have any issues opened today against the LD patch draft
Arnaud Le Hors: we don't have any issues opened today against the LD patch draft ←
15:36:18 <ericP> q+ to propose that the fastest path may be to publish http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARQL_patch?lang=perl&markup=html#productions with an at-risk MEMBERS function for lists. MEMBERS looks like "?recipe :hasIngrediences MEMBERS(?ingredient)".
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to propose that the fastest path may be to publish http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARQL_patch?lang=perl&markup=html#productions with an at-risk MEMBERS function for lists. MEMBERS looks like "?recipe :hasIngrediences MEMBERS(?ingredient)". ←
15:36:23 <deiu> ...I agree we should make this a primary topic for the group to discuss
...I agree we should make this a primary topic for the group to discuss ←
15:36:38 <deiu> ...we don't have much to talk about right now, other than the new charter
...we don't have much to talk about right now, other than the new charter ←
15:37:16 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:37:16 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted ←
15:37:44 <deiu> Arnaud: so what if we try to push it further by sending it to LC
Arnaud Le Hors: so what if we try to push it further by sending it to LC ←
15:38:04 <deiu> q+
q+ ←
15:38:06 <Ashok> q+
Ashok Malhotra: q+ ←
15:38:24 <deiu> TallTed: I don't really think we're there yet
Ted Thibodeau: I don't really think we're there yet ←
15:38:27 <Arnaud> ack ericP
Arnaud Le Hors: ack ericP ←
15:38:27 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to propose that the fastest path may be to publish http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARQL_patch?lang=perl&markup=html#productions with an at-risk MEMBERS
Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to propose that the fastest path may be to publish http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARQL_patch?lang=perl&markup=html#productions with an at-risk MEMBERS ←
15:38:30 <Zakim> ... function for lists. MEMBERS looks like "?recipe :hasIngrediences MEMBERS(?ingredient)".
Zakim IRC Bot: ... function for lists. MEMBERS looks like "?recipe :hasIngrediences MEMBERS(?ingredient)". ←
15:38:38 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:38:38 <Zakim> TallTed was not muted, TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed was not muted, TallTed ←
15:38:44 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:38:44 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted ←
15:38:56 <deiu> ericP: there's a grammar for a subset of SPARQL update that has some stuff for lists
Eric Prud'hommeaux: there's a grammar for a subset of SPARQL update that has some stuff for lists ←
15:39:13 <deiu> ...in my implementation I use something for expanding lists, which shouldn't be hard to document
...in my implementation I use something for expanding lists, which shouldn't be hard to document ←
15:39:36 <deiu> ...we could say -- "unline SPARL update, when you use this for PATCH, you must guarantee atomicity..."
...we could say -- "unline SPARL update, when you use this for PATCH, you must guarantee atomicity..." ←
15:39:47 <Arnaud> ack deiu
Arnaud Le Hors: ack deiu ←
15:40:41 <deiu> deiu: we have several implementations right now that work
Andrei Sambra: we have several implementations right now that work ←
15:41:00 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
15:41:03 <deiu> Arnaud: right, and because we don't have any open issues, maybe we can move to LC and look for implementers
Arnaud Le Hors: right, and because we don't have any open issues, maybe we can move to LC and look for implementers ←
15:41:04 <Arnaud> ack Ashok
Arnaud Le Hors: ack Ashok ←
15:41:35 <deiu> Ashok: I am curious what happened here, because Andrei and Alexandre started very enthusiastic about it, but it looks like they're giving up
Ashok Malhotra: I am curious what happened here, because Andrei and Alexandre started very enthusiastic about it, but it looks like they're giving up ←
15:41:39 <deiu> ...I'm wondering why
...I'm wondering why ←
15:41:55 <SteveS> multiple comments we had was that we’d recommend a bit more formalism of the grammar and semantics, perhaps that should be an open issue/action ?
Steve Speicher: multiple comments we had was that we’d recommend a bit more formalism of the grammar and semantics, perhaps that should be an open issue/action ? ←
15:42:02 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:42:02 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted ←
15:42:14 <deiu> Arnaud: maybe they feel discouraged because there are not many people sending feedback
Arnaud Le Hors: maybe they feel discouraged because there are not many people sending feedback ←
15:42:40 <deiu> TallTed: it is a viable spec that works, even though maybe it doesn't scale or it doesn't fit all use cases
Ted Thibodeau: it is a viable spec that works, even though maybe it doesn't scale or it doesn't fit all use cases ←
15:42:46 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:42:46 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted ←
15:44:46 <bblfish> q-
Henry Story: q- ←
15:45:13 <deiu> Topic: rechartering
15:45:34 <deiu> Arnaud: sandro and I were discussing this last week and he sent an email to the group
Arnaud Le Hors: sandro and I were discussing this last week and he sent an email to the group ←
15:46:03 <deiu> ...have people looked at it and want to react to it?
...have people looked at it and want to react to it? ←
15:46:23 <deiu> SteveS: I have a quick reaction
Steve Speicher: I have a quick reaction ←
15:46:35 <deiu> ...I see we still have some active work ahead of us in this group
...I see we still have some active work ahead of us in this group ←
15:47:17 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
15:47:21 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
15:47:24 <deiu> ...if we can somehow structure the charter so that there's an adoption period or learning period, to allow us to close loose ends and have less frequent calls
...if we can somehow structure the charter so that there's an adoption period or learning period, to allow us to close loose ends and have less frequent calls ←
15:47:46 <deiu> Arnaud: we could have a schedule that allows us to have a slow start, with less frequent calls
Arnaud Le Hors: we could have a schedule that allows us to have a slow start, with less frequent calls ←
15:48:14 <deiu> ...it seems that we either make that officially (by rechartering) or we just leave the WG in limbo and just wait
...it seems that we either make that officially (by rechartering) or we just leave the WG in limbo and just wait ←
15:48:22 <Arnaud> ack sandro
Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro ←
15:48:29 <deiu> ...we can still meet and use the mailing list even if we don't recharter
...we can still meet and use the mailing list even if we don't recharter ←
15:48:30 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:48:30 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted ←
15:48:32 <TallTed> q+
Ted Thibodeau: q+ ←
15:49:19 <deiu> sandro: when we talked about rechartering at our last f2f, I started thinking about LDP as a set of building blocks and from that context I can see for instance that patch is a separate building block..so is the notification mechanism
Sandro Hawke: when we talked about rechartering at our last f2f, I started thinking about LDP as a set of building blocks and from that context I can see for instance that patch is a separate building block..so is the notification mechanism ←
15:49:53 <deiu> ...I'm wondering if we can pick up each item from the wish list and work on it
...I'm wondering if we can pick up each item from the wish list and work on it ←
15:49:59 <Arnaud> ack TallTed
Arnaud Le Hors: ack TallTed ←
15:50:09 <deiu> ...if the item is not relevant to some people, they don't have to join the call for it
...if the item is not relevant to some people, they don't have to join the call for it ←
15:50:25 <deiu> TallTed: that means people will fall off the grid, and they get disengaged
Ted Thibodeau: that means people will fall off the grid, and they get disengaged ←
15:50:41 <deiu> ...rechartering immediately makes more sense to me
...rechartering immediately makes more sense to me ←
15:51:02 <deiu> q+
q+ ←
15:51:17 <Arnaud> ack deiu
Arnaud Le Hors: ack deiu ←
15:52:23 <deiu> Arnaud: I think we're better off rechartering, which won't happen before December
Arnaud Le Hors: I think we're better off rechartering, which won't happen before December ←
15:52:30 <deiu> ...it takes 4 weeks for AC review anyway
...it takes 4 weeks for AC review anyway ←
15:52:52 <deiu> ...so officially, we probably won't start before January 2015
...so officially, we probably won't start before January 2015 ←
15:53:22 <deiu> ...we can keep a regular schedule on, and if we decide to skip calls (or make them informal) then that's up to us
...we can keep a regular schedule on, and if we decide to skip calls (or make them informal) then that's up to us ←
15:53:47 <deiu> sandro: the current charter is pretty vague
Sandro Hawke: the current charter is pretty vague ←
15:55:11 <deiu> Arnaud: I doubt we'll have trouble with a charter that picks up on the previous one and just proposes extensions and improvements
Arnaud Le Hors: I doubt we'll have trouble with a charter that picks up on the previous one and just proposes extensions and improvements ←
15:55:46 <deiu> ...I can look at the table and shift everything by 3-6 months and at the same time, people should look at the questions we want to address
...I can look at the table and shift everything by 3-6 months and at the same time, people should look at the questions we want to address ←
15:56:08 <deiu> sandro: what's the timeline for the decision?
Sandro Hawke: what's the timeline for the decision? ←
15:56:22 <deiu> Arnaud: we expire at the end of the month, so should have an official position by then
Arnaud Le Hors: we expire at the end of the month, so should have an official position by then ←
15:56:51 <deiu> ...in the next 2 weeks we need to figure out what we want to do
...in the next 2 weeks we need to figure out what we want to do ←
15:57:05 <deiu> ...I want to have a charter ready for the end of the months so I can send it to the AC
...I want to have a charter ready for the end of the months so I can send it to the AC ←
15:57:22 <deiu> ...please use the time until the next call to look at the charter
...please use the time until the next call to look at the charter ←
15:57:54 <deiu> ...Steve mentioned the notion of sending updates, Sandro too
...Steve mentioned the notion of sending updates, Sandro too ←
15:58:05 <deiu> ...we need to come up with a list of items people are interested in
...we need to come up with a list of items people are interested in ←
15:59:22 <bblfish> thanks
Henry Story: thanks ←
15:59:23 <azaroth> Thanks all :)
Robert Sanderson: Thanks all :) ←
15:59:26 <deiu> [adjourned]
[adjourned] ←
15:59:26 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra ←
15:59:29 <Zakim> -TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed ←
15:59:30 <Zakim> -pchampin
Zakim IRC Bot: -pchampin ←
15:59:30 <Zakim> -SteveS
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS ←
15:59:32 <Zakim> -bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish ←
15:59:32 <Zakim> -deiu
Zakim IRC Bot: -deiu ←
15:59:33 <Zakim> -ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP ←
15:59:34 <Zakim> -azaroth
Zakim IRC Bot: -azaroth ←
15:59:35 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
15:59:37 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:59:39 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended ←
15:59:39 <Zakim> Attendees were deiu, azaroth, Arnaud, Sandro, Ashok_Malhotra, TallTed, bblfish, SteveS, ericP, +33.9.51.77.aaaa, pchampin
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were deiu, azaroth, Arnaud, Sandro, Ashok_Malhotra, TallTed, bblfish, SteveS, ericP, +33.9.51.77.aaaa, pchampin ←
15:59:48 <Arnaud> trackbot, end meeting
Arnaud Le Hors: trackbot, end meeting ←
15:59:48 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
15:59:48 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is ←
15:59:56 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
15:59:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/10-ldp-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/10-ldp-minutes.html trackbot ←
15:59:57 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
15:59:57 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
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