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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 10 November 2014

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.11.10
Present
Andrei Sambra, Robert Sanderson, Arnaud Le Hors, Sandro Hawke, Ashok Malhotra, Ted Thibodeau, Henry Story, Steve Speicher, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Pierre-Antoine Champin
Chair
Arnaud Le Hors
Scribe
Andrei Sambra
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Minutes of 3 November 2014 http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-11-03 Approved link
Topics
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14:58:13 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

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14:58:13 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

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14:58:14 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:58:14 <trackbot> Date: 10 November 2014
14:58:34 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started

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14:59:11 <Zakim> +deiu

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14:59:26 <Zakim> +azaroth

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14:59:48 <Zakim> +Arnaud

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15:00:51 <Zakim> +Sandro

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15:02:23 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

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15:02:43 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

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15:02:55 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

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15:02:57 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

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15:02:58 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it

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15:02:59 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

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15:03:00 <Zakim> +bblfish

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15:03:13 <bblfish> hi

Henry Story: hi

15:05:22 <Zakim> +Steve_Speicher

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15:05:31 <SteveS> zakim, Steve_Speicher is me

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15:05:31 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it

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15:07:44 <deiu> scribenick: deiu

(Scribe set to Andrei Sambra)

<deiu> chair: Arnaud
<deiu> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.11.10
15:08:02 <deiu> Topic: Admin

1. Admin

15:08:06 <pchampin>[~pchampin@public.cloak] entered the room.

Pierre-Antoine Champin: [~pchampin@public.cloak] entered the room.

15:08:23 <deiu> Arnaud: there was an error in the last minutes, which tells me people don't read the minutes

Arnaud Le Hors: there was an error in the last minutes, which tells me people don't read the minutes

15:08:39 <deiu> ...we can safely approve them since there was no resolution

...we can safely approve them since there was no resolution

15:08:45 <deiu> RESOLVED: Minutes of 3 November 2014 http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-11-03 Approved

RESOLVED: Minutes of 3 November 2014 http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-11-03 Approved

15:08:46 <bblfish> minutes are useful, and are important in that case

Henry Story: minutes are useful, and are important in that case

<deiu> Arnaud: Next meeting 17 November

Arnaud Le Hors: Next meeting 17 November

15:08:57 <Zakim> +??P13

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15:09:00 <deiu> Topic: Tracking of Actions & Issues

2. Tracking of Actions & Issues

15:09:09 <Zakim> -??P13

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15:09:16 <Arnaud> action-150

Arnaud Le Hors: ACTION-150

15:09:17 <trackbot> action-150 -- Alexandre Bertails to Add support for arbitrary text/turtle for the add operation in ldpatch -- due 2014-10-06 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-150 -- Alexandre Bertails to Add support for arbitrary text/turtle for the add operation in ldpatch -- due 2014-10-06 -- OPEN

15:09:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/150

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15:10:32 <deiu> deiu will address action-150

deiu will address ACTION-150

<deiu> Topic: LDP Spec

3. LDP Spec

15:10:47 <deiu> Arnaud: status update

Arnaud Le Hors: status update

15:11:00 <deiu> ...I sent the transition request but I didn't hear anything

...I sent the transition request but I didn't hear anything

15:11:10 <deiu> ...I believe Eric needs to set up the call with W3M

...I believe Eric needs to set up the call with W3M

15:11:20 <deiu> ...but I haven't heard anything from him

...but I haven't heard anything from him

15:11:28 <deiu> ...too bad he's not available right now to hear what the status is

...too bad he's not available right now to hear what the status is

<deiu> Topic: LDP Paging Spec

4. LDP Paging Spec

15:11:45 <deiu> Arnaud: Paging is not doing better either; the editors have updated the spec

Arnaud Le Hors: Paging is not doing better either; the editors have updated the spec

15:11:52 <deiu> maybe SteveS can tell us more about it?

...maybe SteveS can tell us more about it?

15:12:07 <deiu> s/maybe SteveS can tell us more about it?/...maybe SteveS can tell us more about it?
15:12:40 <deiu> ...the process seems to have changed lately, merging two steps into one

...the process seems to have changed lately, merging two steps into one

15:12:55 <deiu> sandro: try sending an email to Ralph just to make sure (informally)

Sandro Hawke: try sending an email to Ralph just to make sure (informally)

15:13:00 <Zakim> +ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP

15:13:11 <deiu> Arnaud: what I meant about the paging spec: you get to LC and then CR

Arnaud Le Hors: what I meant about the paging spec: you get to LC and then CR

15:13:44 <deiu> ...you cannot do the disposition of comments and implementation reports at the same time

...you cannot do the disposition of comments and implementation reports at the same time

15:14:38 <deiu> ...there's no real change to the timeline, even if theoretically it should be faster

...there's no real change to the timeline, even if theoretically it should be faster

15:15:17 <deiu> ...in conclusion: the spec is ready

...in conclusion: the spec is ready

15:15:32 <deiu> SteveS: the key thing to cover is that there were a couple of items marked "at risk"

Steve Speicher: the key thing to cover is that there were a couple of items marked "at risk"

15:15:51 <deiu> ...I only got some pushback for the new status code (we didn't get support from IETF)

...I only got some pushback for the new status code (we didn't get support from IETF)

15:16:15 <deiu> ...so I removed that from the spec, as well as the "at risk" markers from a couple of places in the spec

...so I removed that from the spec, as well as the "at risk" markers from a couple of places in the spec

15:16:33 <deiu> Arnaud: ok, so that should have been formally minuted

Arnaud Le Hors: ok, so that should have been formally minuted

15:16:56 <deiu> ...the point is 2NN is abandoned so SteveS removed it from the spec

...the point is 2NN is abandoned so SteveS removed it from the spec

15:17:20 <deiu> ...John worked really hard on 2NN and it's a pity we had to remove a big chunk from the spec

...John worked really hard on 2NN and it's a pity we had to remove a big chunk from the spec

15:17:56 <deiu> ...so Eric, I'm waiting for a confirmation for the call re. the TR

...so Eric, I'm waiting for a confirmation for the call re. the TR

15:18:18 <deiu> ericP: I can reply to your email

Eric Prud'hommeaux: I can reply to your email

15:18:58 <deiu> ...people on the W3M call can be you, staff contacts and maybe editors

...people on the W3M call can be you, staff contacts and maybe editors

15:19:27 <deiu> ericP: it might be easier to get a different call for the paging req

Eric Prud'hommeaux: it might be easier to get a different call for the paging req

15:19:39 <deiu> ...let's try not to sneak it in

...let's try not to sneak it in

15:19:46 <deiu> Topic: LD Patch format

5. LD Patch format

15:20:05 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone?

15:20:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see deiu, azaroth, Arnaud, Sandro, Ashok_Malhotra, TallTed (muted), bblfish, SteveS, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see deiu, azaroth, Arnaud, Sandro, Ashok_Malhotra, TallTed (muted), bblfish, SteveS, ericP

15:20:08 <bblfish> pchampin: ?

Pierre-Antoine Champin: ? [ Scribe Assist by Henry Story ]

15:20:25 <pchampin> can't manage to reach zakim, sorry :-(

Pierre-Antoine Champin: can't manage to reach zakim, sorry :-(

15:20:58 <pchampin> not much progress to report anyway, I'm afraid...

Pierre-Antoine Champin: not much progress to report anyway, I'm afraid...

15:22:59 <Zakim> + +33.9.51.77.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.9.51.77.aaaa

15:23:05 <pchampin> zakim, aaaa is me

Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, aaaa is me

15:23:05 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pchampin; got it

15:24:41 <deiu> pchampin: we're looking at having some SPARQL-like syntax allowed in the add operation

Pierre-Antoine Champin: we're looking at having some SPARQL-like syntax allowed in the add operation

15:24:51 <deiu> pchampin: we haven't made a lot of progress

Pierre-Antoine Champin: we haven't made a lot of progress

15:25:10 <deiu> Arnaud: it seems like the spec has been sitting there

Arnaud Le Hors: it seems like the spec has been sitting there

15:25:24 <deiu> ...we haven't seen a lot of updates

...we haven't seen a lot of updates

15:25:55 <deiu> ...what is our position as a group? We agreed overall that we want to push it further...

...what is our position as a group? We agreed overall that we want to push it further...

15:26:13 <deiu> ...I don't feel like there's a strong motivation to push it at this point

...I don't feel like there's a strong motivation to push it at this point

15:26:14 <bblfish> I think we need a PATCH format

Henry Story: I think we need a PATCH format

15:26:32 <azaroth> q+

Robert Sanderson: q+

15:26:37 <deiu> Arnaud: are you still interested in putting in effort?

Arnaud Le Hors: are you still interested in putting in effort?

15:26:40 <Arnaud> ack azaroth

Arnaud Le Hors: ack azaroth

15:27:01 <deiu> azaroth: we're still interested in it, mostly because the PUT operation to update is constrained

Robert Sanderson: we're still interested in it, mostly because the PUT operation to update is constrained

15:27:17 <deiu> ...we haven't worked on it yet, but it's something that we think is valuable

...we haven't worked on it yet, but it's something that we think is valuable

15:27:17 <deiu> q+

q+

15:27:22 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

15:27:23 <SteveS> q+

Steve Speicher: q+

15:27:25 <Arnaud> ack deiu

Arnaud Le Hors: ack deiu

15:29:18 <azaroth> To clarify, we don't particularly care about the style, we just need the functionality

Robert Sanderson: To clarify, we don't particularly care about the format, we just need the functionality

15:29:26 <azaroth> s/style/format/
15:29:29 <bblfish> well everyone I think needs PATCH, but we could vote on it.

Henry Story: well everyone I think needs PATCH, but we could vote on it.

15:29:40 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

15:30:20 <deiu> bblfish: I think everyone needs PATCH

Henry Story: I think everyone needs PATCH

15:30:43 <deiu> ...the format I see as being mostly used is SPARQL UPDATE

...the format I see as being mostly used is SPARQL UPDATE

15:30:59 <ericP> i suspect the fastest path is to publish http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARQL_patch?lang=perl&markup=html#productions with an at-risk crazy scheme for lists

Eric Prud'hommeaux: i suspect the fastest path is to publish http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARQL_patch?lang=perl&markup=html#productions with an at-risk crazy scheme for lists

15:31:05 <pchampin> q+

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q+

15:31:08 <ericP> semantics are done

Eric Prud'hommeaux: semantics are done

15:31:09 <Zakim> -SteveS

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS

15:31:33 <Arnaud> ack pchampin

Arnaud Le Hors: ack pchampin

15:31:41 <Zakim> +SteveS

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS

15:31:50 <deiu> pchampin: I understand Henry, and I think it is a pragmatic solution

Pierre-Antoine Champin: I understand Henry, and I think it is a pragmatic solution

15:32:10 <deiu> ...assuming that a SPARQL query fails, you would have a non-atomic operation

...assuming that a SPARQL query fails, you would have a non-atomic operation

15:32:29 <deiu> ...we need atomicity and you can't have it right now with the current SPARQL UPDATE

...we need atomicity and you can't have it right now with the current SPARQL UPDATE

15:32:48 <deiu> ...I believe there's room for a dedicated language with real PATCH semantics

...I believe there's room for a dedicated language with real PATCH semantics

15:32:55 <Arnaud> ack SteveS

Arnaud Le Hors: ack SteveS

15:33:09 <bblfish> pchampin: the atomiticy problem in SPARQL Update is due to what? Is that due to the ability to PATCH subgraphs ?

Pierre-Antoine Champin: the atomiticy problem in SPARQL Update is due to what? Is that due to the ability to PATCH subgraphs ? [ Scribe Assist by Henry Story ]

15:33:34 <deiu> SteveS: PUT has a ton of overhead and complexity, so PATCH is relevant to us

Steve Speicher: PUT has a ton of overhead and complexity, so PATCH is relevant to us

15:33:52 <deiu> ...we have a small profile of what is in LD patch today

...we have a small profile of what is in LD patch today

15:34:26 <deiu> ...re. the group not being interested, I have given my feedback several times so far

...re. the group not being interested, I have given my feedback several times so far

15:34:37 <deiu> ...I have some requirements as to what the format should be

...I have some requirements as to what the format should be

15:36:04 <deiu> Arnaud: we don't have any issues opened today against the LD patch draft

Arnaud Le Hors: we don't have any issues opened today against the LD patch draft

15:36:16 <ericP> q+ to propose that the fastest path may be to publish http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARQL_patch?lang=perl&markup=html#productions with an at-risk MEMBERS function for lists. MEMBERS looks like "?recipe :hasIngrediences MEMBERS(?ingredient)".

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to propose that the fastest path may be to publish http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARQL_patch?lang=perl&markup=html#productions with an at-risk MEMBERS function for lists. MEMBERS looks like "?recipe :hasIngrediences MEMBERS(?ingredient)".

15:36:21 <deiu> ...I agree we should make this a primary topic for the group to discuss

...I agree we should make this a primary topic for the group to discuss

15:36:36 <deiu> ...we don't have much to talk about right now, other than the new charter

...we don't have much to talk about right now, other than the new charter

15:37:14 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

15:37:15 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted

15:37:42 <deiu> Arnaud: so what if we try to push it further by sending it to LC

Arnaud Le Hors: so what if we try to push it further by sending it to LC

15:38:02 <deiu> q+

q+

15:38:04 <Ashok> q+

Ashok Malhotra: q+

15:38:22 <deiu> TallTed: I don't really think we're there yet

Ted Thibodeau: I don't really think we're there yet

15:38:25 <Arnaud> ack ericP

Arnaud Le Hors: ack ericP

15:38:25 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to propose that the fastest path may be to publish http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARQL_patch?lang=perl&markup=html#productions with an at-risk MEMBERS

Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to propose that the fastest path may be to publish http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARQL_patch?lang=perl&markup=html#productions with an at-risk MEMBERS

15:38:28 <Zakim> ... function for lists. MEMBERS looks like "?recipe :hasIngrediences MEMBERS(?ingredient)".

Zakim IRC Bot: ... function for lists. MEMBERS looks like "?recipe :hasIngrediences MEMBERS(?ingredient)".

15:38:36 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

15:38:36 <Zakim> TallTed was not muted, TallTed

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed was not muted, TallTed

15:38:42 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:38:42 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

15:38:54 <deiu> ericP: there's a grammar for a subset of SPARQL update that has some stuff for lists

Eric Prud'hommeaux: there's a grammar for a subset of SPARQL update that has some stuff for lists

15:39:11 <deiu> ...in my implementation I use something for expanding lists, which shouldn't be hard to document

...in my implementation I use something for expanding lists, which shouldn't be hard to document

15:39:34 <deiu> ...we could say -- "unline SPARL update, when you use this for PATCH, you must guarantee atomicity..."

...we could say -- "unline SPARL update, when you use this for PATCH, you must guarantee atomicity..."

15:39:45 <Arnaud> ack deiu

Arnaud Le Hors: ack deiu

15:40:39 <deiu> deiu: we have several implementations right now that work

Andrei Sambra: we have several implementations right now that work

15:41:02 <Arnaud> ack Ashok

Arnaud Le Hors: ack Ashok

15:41:06 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

15:41:06 <deiu> Arnaud: right, and because we don't have any open issues, maybe we can move to LC and look for implementers

Arnaud Le Hors: right, and because we don't have any open issues, maybe we can move to LC and look for implementers

15:41:33 <deiu> Ashok: I am curious what happened here, because Andrei and Alexandre started very enthusiastic about it, but it looks like they're giving up

Ashok Malhotra: I am curious what happened here, because Andrei and Alexandre started very enthusiastic about it, but it looks like they're giving up

15:41:37 <deiu> ...I'm wondering why

...I'm wondering why

15:41:53 <SteveS> multiple comments we had was that we’d recommend a bit more formalism of the grammar and semantics, perhaps that should be an open issue/action ?

Steve Speicher: multiple comments we had was that we’d recommend a bit more formalism of the grammar and semantics, perhaps that should be an open issue/action ?

15:42:00 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

15:42:00 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted

15:42:12 <deiu> Arnaud: maybe they feel discouraged because there are not many people sending feedback

Arnaud Le Hors: maybe they feel discouraged because there are not many people sending feedback

15:42:38 <deiu> TallTed: it is a viable spec that works, even though maybe it doesn't scale or it doesn't fit all use cases

Ted Thibodeau: it is a viable spec that works, even though maybe it doesn't scale or it doesn't fit all use cases

15:42:44 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:42:44 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

15:44:44 <bblfish> q-

Henry Story: q-

15:45:11 <deiu> Topic: Rechartering

6. Rechartering

15:45:32 <deiu> Arnaud: sandro and I were discussing this last week and he sent an email to the group

Arnaud Le Hors: sandro and I were discussing this last week and he sent an email to the group

15:46:01 <deiu> ...have people looked at it and want to react to it?

...have people looked at it and want to react to it?

15:46:21 <deiu> SteveS: I have a quick reaction

Steve Speicher: I have a quick reaction

15:46:33 <deiu> ...I see we still have some active work ahead of us in this group

...I see we still have some active work ahead of us in this group

15:47:15 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q?

15:47:19 <sandro> q+

Sandro Hawke: q+

15:47:22 <deiu> ...if we can somehow structure the charter so that there's an adoption period or learning period, to allow us to close loose ends and have less frequent calls

...if we can somehow structure the charter so that there's an adoption period or learning period, to allow us to close loose ends and have less frequent calls

15:47:45 <deiu> Arnaud: we could have a schedule that allows us to have a slow start, with less frequent calls

Arnaud Le Hors: we could have a schedule that allows us to have a slow start, with less frequent calls

15:48:12 <deiu> ...it seems that we either make that officially (by rechartering) or we just leave the WG in limbo and just wait

...it seems that we either make that officially (by rechartering) or we just leave the WG in limbo and just wait

15:48:20 <Arnaud> ack sandro

Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro

15:48:27 <deiu> ...we can still meet and use the mailing list even if we don't recharter

...we can still meet and use the mailing list even if we don't recharter

15:48:28 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

15:48:28 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted

15:48:30 <TallTed> q+

Ted Thibodeau: q+

15:49:17 <deiu> sandro: when we talked about rechartering at our last f2f, I started thinking about LDP as a set of building blocks and from that context I can see for instance that patch is a separate building block..so is the notification mechanism

Sandro Hawke: when we talked about rechartering at our last f2f, I started thinking about LDP as a set of building blocks and from that context I can see for instance that patch is a separate building block..so is the notification mechanism

15:49:51 <deiu> ...I'm wondering if we can pick up each item from the wish list and work on it

...I'm wondering if we can pick up each item from the wish list and work on it

15:49:57 <Arnaud> ack TallTed

Arnaud Le Hors: ack TallTed

15:50:07 <deiu> ...if the item is not relevant to some people, they don't have to join the call for it

...if the item is not relevant to some people, they don't have to join the call for it

15:50:23 <deiu> TallTed: that means people will fall off the grid, and they get disengaged

Ted Thibodeau: that means people will fall off the grid, and they get disengaged

15:50:40 <deiu> ...rechartering immediately makes more sense to me

...rechartering immediately makes more sense to me

15:51:01 <deiu> q+

q+

15:51:15 <Arnaud> ack deiu

Arnaud Le Hors: ack deiu

15:52:21 <deiu> Arnaud: I think we're better off rechartering, which won't happen before December

Arnaud Le Hors: I think we're better off rechartering, which won't happen before December

15:52:28 <deiu> ...it takes 4 weeks for AC review anyway

...it takes 4 weeks for AC review anyway

15:52:50 <deiu> ...so officially, we probably won't start before January 2015

...so officially, we probably won't start before January 2015

15:53:20 <deiu> ...we can keep a regular schedule on, and if we decide to skip calls (or make them informal) then that's up to us

...we can keep a regular schedule on, and if we decide to skip calls (or make them informal) then that's up to us

15:53:45 <deiu> sandro: the current charter is pretty vague

Sandro Hawke: the current charter is pretty vague

15:55:09 <deiu> Arnaud: I doubt we'll have trouble with a charter that picks up on the previous one and just proposes extensions and improvements

Arnaud Le Hors: I doubt we'll have trouble with a charter that picks up on the previous one and just proposes extensions and improvements

15:55:44 <deiu> ...I can look at the table and shift everything by 3-6 months and at the same time, people should look at the questions we want to address

...I can look at the table and shift everything by 3-6 months and at the same time, people should look at the questions we want to address

15:56:23 <deiu> sandro: what's the timeline for the decision?

Sandro Hawke: what's the timeline for the decision?

15:56:23 <deiu> Arnaud: we expire at the end of the month, so should have an official position by then

Arnaud Le Hors: we expire at the end of the month, so should have an official position by then

15:56:49 <deiu> ...in the next 2 weeks we need to figure out what we want to do

...in the next 2 weeks we need to figure out what we want to do

15:57:03 <deiu> ...I want to have a charter ready for the end of the months so I can send it to the AC

...I want to have a charter ready for the end of the months so I can send it to the AC

15:57:20 <deiu> ...please use the time until the next call to look at the charter

...please use the time until the next call to look at the charter

15:57:52 <deiu> ...Steve mentioned the notion of sending updates, Sandro too

...Steve mentioned the notion of sending updates, Sandro too

15:58:04 <deiu> ...we need to come up with a list of items people are interested in

...we need to come up with a list of items people are interested in

15:59:20 <bblfish> thanks

Henry Story: thanks

15:59:21 <azaroth> Thanks all :)

Robert Sanderson: Thanks all :)

15:59:24 <deiu> [adjourned]

[adjourned]

15:59:24 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

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15:59:27 <Zakim> -TallTed

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15:59:29 <Zakim> -pchampin

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15:59:29 <Zakim> -SteveS

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15:59:30 <Zakim> -bblfish

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15:59:30 <Zakim> -deiu

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15:59:31 <Zakim> -ericP

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15:59:32 <Zakim> -azaroth

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15:59:34 <Zakim> -Arnaud

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15:59:35 <Zakim> -Sandro

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15:59:37 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

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15:59:37 <Zakim> Attendees were deiu, azaroth, Arnaud, Sandro, Ashok_Malhotra, TallTed, bblfish, SteveS, ericP, +33.9.51.77.aaaa, pchampin

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were deiu, azaroth, Arnaud, Sandro, Ashok_Malhotra, TallTed, bblfish, SteveS, ericP, +33.9.51.77.aaaa, pchampin

<deiu> Present: deiu, azaroth, Arnaud, Sandro, Ashok_Malhotra, TallTed, bblfish, SteveS, ericP, pchampin
15:02:24 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

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15:02:45 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software

15:02:57 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

15:02:59 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:02:59 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +TallTed; got it

15:03:01 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

15:03:02 <Zakim> +bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish

15:03:15 <bblfish> hi

Henry Story: hi

15:05:24 <Zakim> +Steve_Speicher

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steve_Speicher

15:05:33 <SteveS> zakim, Steve_Speicher is me

Steve Speicher: zakim, Steve_Speicher is me

15:05:33 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it

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15:07:46 <deiu> scribenick: deiu
15:08:04 <deiu> Topic: approving minutes

7. approving minutes

15:08:24 <deiu> Arnaud: there was an error in the last minutes, which tells me people don't read the minutes

Arnaud Le Hors: there was an error in the last minutes, which tells me people don't read the minutes

15:08:41 <deiu> ...we can safely approve them since there was no resolution

...we can safely approve them since there was no resolution

15:08:47 <deiu> ...minutes approved

...minutes approved

15:08:48 <bblfish> minutes are useful, and are important in that case

Henry Story: minutes are useful, and are important in that case

15:08:59 <Zakim> +??P13

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13

15:09:02 <deiu> Topic: actions & issues

8. actions & issues

15:09:11 <Zakim> -??P13

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P13

15:09:18 <Arnaud> action-150

Arnaud Le Hors: ACTION-150

15:09:18 <trackbot> action-150 -- Alexandre Bertails to Add support for arbitrary text/turtle for the add operation in ldpatch -- due 2014-10-06 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-150 -- Alexandre Bertails to Add support for arbitrary text/turtle for the add operation in ldpatch -- due 2014-10-06 -- OPEN

15:09:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/150

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/150

15:10:34 <deiu> deiu will address action-150

deiu will address ACTION-150

15:10:49 <deiu> Arnaud: status update

Arnaud Le Hors: status update

15:10:58 <deiu> ...I sent the transition request but I didn't hear anything

...I sent the transition request but I didn't hear anything

15:11:08 <deiu> ...I believe Eric needs to set up the call with W3M

...I believe Eric needs to set up the call with W3M

15:11:22 <deiu> ...but I haven't heard anything from him

...but I haven't heard anything from him

15:11:30 <deiu> ...too bad he's not available right now to hear what the status is

...too bad he's not available right now to hear what the status is

15:11:47 <deiu> ...paging is not doing better either; the editors have updated the spec

...paging is not doing better either; the editors have updated the spec

15:11:54 <deiu> maybe SteveS can tell us more about it?

...maybe SteveS can tell us more about it?

15:12:09 <deiu> s/maybe SteveS can tell us more about it?/...maybe SteveS can tell us more about it?
15:12:42 <deiu> ...the process seems to have changed lately, merging two steps into one

...the process seems to have changed lately, merging two steps into one

15:12:57 <deiu> sandro: try sending an email to Ralph just to make sure (informally)

Sandro Hawke: try sending an email to Ralph just to make sure (informally)

15:13:02 <Zakim> +ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP

15:13:13 <deiu> Arnaud: what I meant about the paging spec: you get to LC and then CR

Arnaud Le Hors: what I meant about the paging spec: you get to LC and then CR

15:13:46 <deiu> ...you cannot do the disposition of comments and implementation reports at the same time

...you cannot do the disposition of comments and implementation reports at the same time

15:14:40 <deiu> ...there's no real change to the timeline, even if theoretically it should be faster

...there's no real change to the timeline, even if theoretically it should be faster

15:15:19 <deiu> ...in conclusion: the spec is ready

...in conclusion: the spec is ready

15:15:34 <deiu> SteveS: the key thing to cover is that there were a couple of items marked "at risk"

Steve Speicher: the key thing to cover is that there were a couple of items marked "at risk"

15:15:53 <deiu> ...I only got some pushback for the new status code (we didn't get support from IETF)

...I only got some pushback for the new status code (we didn't get support from IETF)

15:16:17 <deiu> ...so I removed that from the spec, as well as the "at risk" markers from a couple of places in the spec

...so I removed that from the spec, as well as the "at risk" markers from a couple of places in the spec

15:16:35 <deiu> Arnaud: ok, so that should have been formally minuted

Arnaud Le Hors: ok, so that should have been formally minuted

15:16:58 <deiu> ...the point is 2NN is abandoned so SteveS removed it from the spec

...the point is 2NN is abandoned so SteveS removed it from the spec

15:17:22 <deiu> ...John worked really hard on 2NN and it's a pity we had to remove a big chunk from the spec

...John worked really hard on 2NN and it's a pity we had to remove a big chunk from the spec

15:17:58 <deiu> ...so Eric, I'm waiting for a confirmation for the call re. the TR

...so Eric, I'm waiting for a confirmation for the call re. the TR

15:18:20 <deiu> ericP: I can reply to your email

Eric Prud'hommeaux: I can reply to your email

15:19:00 <deiu> ...people on the W3M call can be you, staff contacts and maybe editors

...people on the W3M call can be you, staff contacts and maybe editors

15:19:29 <deiu> ericP: it might be easier to get a different call for the paging req

Eric Prud'hommeaux: it might be easier to get a different call for the paging req

15:19:41 <deiu> ...let's try not to sneak it in

...let's try not to sneak it in

15:19:48 <deiu> Topic: LD patch format

9. LD patch format

15:20:07 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone?

15:20:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see deiu, azaroth, Arnaud, Sandro, Ashok_Malhotra, TallTed (muted), bblfish, SteveS, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see deiu, azaroth, Arnaud, Sandro, Ashok_Malhotra, TallTed (muted), bblfish, SteveS, ericP

15:20:10 <bblfish> pchampin: ?

Pierre-Antoine Champin: ? [ Scribe Assist by Henry Story ]

15:20:27 <pchampin> can't manage to reach zakim, sorry :-(

Pierre-Antoine Champin: can't manage to reach zakim, sorry :-(

15:21:00 <pchampin> not much progress to report anyway, I'm afraid...

Pierre-Antoine Champin: not much progress to report anyway, I'm afraid...

15:23:01 <Zakim> + +33.9.51.77.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.9.51.77.aaaa

15:24:43 <deiu> pchampin: we're looking at having some SPARQL-like syntax allowed in the add operation

Pierre-Antoine Champin: we're looking at having some SPARQL-like syntax allowed in the add operation

15:24:53 <deiu> pchampin: we haven't made a lot of progress

Pierre-Antoine Champin: we haven't made a lot of progress

15:25:12 <deiu> Arnaud: it seems like the spec has been sitting there

Arnaud Le Hors: it seems like the spec has been sitting there

15:25:26 <deiu> ...we haven't seen a lot of updates

...we haven't seen a lot of updates

15:25:56 <deiu> ...what is our position as a group? We agreed overall that we want to push it further...

...what is our position as a group? We agreed overall that we want to push it further...

15:26:07 <deiu> ...I don't feel like there's a strong motivation to push it at this point

...I don't feel like there's a strong motivation to push it at this point

15:26:09 <bblfish> I think we need a PATCH format

Henry Story: I think we need a PATCH format

15:26:34 <azaroth> q+

Robert Sanderson: q+

15:26:39 <deiu> Arnaud: are you still interested in putting in effort?

Arnaud Le Hors: are you still interested in putting in effort?

15:26:42 <Arnaud> ack azaroth

Arnaud Le Hors: ack azaroth

15:27:03 <deiu> azaroth: we're still interested in it, mostly because the PUT operation to update is constrained

Robert Sanderson: we're still interested in it, mostly because the PUT operation to update is constrained

15:27:19 <deiu> ...we haven't worked on it yet, but it's something that we think is valuable

...we haven't worked on it yet, but it's something that we think is valuable

15:27:19 <deiu> q+

q+

15:27:24 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

15:27:24 <SteveS> q+

Steve Speicher: q+

15:27:27 <Arnaud> ack deiu

Arnaud Le Hors: ack deiu

15:29:19 <azaroth> To clarify, we don't particularly care about the style, we just need the functionality

Robert Sanderson: To clarify, we don't particularly care about the format, we just need the functionality

15:29:28 <azaroth> s/style/format/
15:29:31 <bblfish> well everyone I think needs PATCH, but we could vote on it.

Henry Story: well everyone I think needs PATCH, but we could vote on it.

15:29:42 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

15:30:22 <deiu> bblfish: I think everyone needs PATCH

Henry Story: I think everyone needs PATCH

15:30:45 <deiu> ...the format I see as being mostly used is SPARQL UPDATE

...the format I see as being mostly used is SPARQL UPDATE

15:31:01 <ericP> i suspect the fastest path is to publish http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARQL_patch?lang=perl&markup=html#productions with an at-risk crazy scheme for lists

Eric Prud'hommeaux: i suspect the fastest path is to publish http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARQL_patch?lang=perl&markup=html#productions with an at-risk crazy scheme for lists

15:31:06 <pchampin> q+

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q+

15:31:09 <ericP> semantics are done

Eric Prud'hommeaux: semantics are done

15:31:11 <Zakim> -SteveS

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS

15:31:35 <Arnaud> ack pchampin

Arnaud Le Hors: ack pchampin

15:31:43 <Zakim> +SteveS

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS

15:31:52 <deiu> pchampin: I understand Henry, and I think it is a pragmatic solution

Pierre-Antoine Champin: I understand Henry, and I think it is a pragmatic solution

15:32:12 <deiu> ...assuming that a SPARQL query fails, you would have a non-atomic operation

...assuming that a SPARQL query fails, you would have a non-atomic operation

15:32:31 <deiu> ...we need atomicity and you can't have it right now with the current SPARQL UPDATE

...we need atomicity and you can't have it right now with the current SPARQL UPDATE

15:32:50 <deiu> ...I believe there's room for a dedicated language with real PATCH semantics

...I believe there's room for a dedicated language with real PATCH semantics

15:32:58 <Arnaud> ack SteveS

Arnaud Le Hors: ack SteveS

15:33:11 <bblfish> pchampin: the atomiticy problem in SPARQL Update is due to what? Is that due to the ability to PATCH subgraphs ?

Pierre-Antoine Champin: the atomiticy problem in SPARQL Update is due to what? Is that due to the ability to PATCH subgraphs ? [ Scribe Assist by Henry Story ]

15:33:36 <deiu> SteveS: PUT has a ton of overhead and complexity, so PATCH is relevant to us

Steve Speicher: PUT has a ton of overhead and complexity, so PATCH is relevant to us

15:33:54 <deiu> ...we have a small profile of what is in LD patch today

...we have a small profile of what is in LD patch today

15:34:28 <deiu> ...re. the group not being interested, I have given my feedback several times so far

...re. the group not being interested, I have given my feedback several times so far

15:34:39 <deiu> ...I have some requirements as to what the format should be

...I have some requirements as to what the format should be

15:36:06 <deiu> Arnaud: we don't have any issues opened today against the LD patch draft

Arnaud Le Hors: we don't have any issues opened today against the LD patch draft

15:36:18 <ericP> q+ to propose that the fastest path may be to publish http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARQL_patch?lang=perl&markup=html#productions with an at-risk MEMBERS function for lists. MEMBERS looks like "?recipe :hasIngrediences MEMBERS(?ingredient)".

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to propose that the fastest path may be to publish http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARQL_patch?lang=perl&markup=html#productions with an at-risk MEMBERS function for lists. MEMBERS looks like "?recipe :hasIngrediences MEMBERS(?ingredient)".

15:36:23 <deiu> ...I agree we should make this a primary topic for the group to discuss

...I agree we should make this a primary topic for the group to discuss

15:36:38 <deiu> ...we don't have much to talk about right now, other than the new charter

...we don't have much to talk about right now, other than the new charter

15:37:16 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

15:37:16 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted

15:37:44 <deiu> Arnaud: so what if we try to push it further by sending it to LC

Arnaud Le Hors: so what if we try to push it further by sending it to LC

15:38:04 <deiu> q+

q+

15:38:06 <Ashok> q+

Ashok Malhotra: q+

15:38:24 <deiu> TallTed: I don't really think we're there yet

Ted Thibodeau: I don't really think we're there yet

15:38:27 <Arnaud> ack ericP

Arnaud Le Hors: ack ericP

15:38:27 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to propose that the fastest path may be to publish http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARQL_patch?lang=perl&markup=html#productions with an at-risk MEMBERS

Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to propose that the fastest path may be to publish http://www.w3.org/2005/01/yacker/uploads/SPARQL_patch?lang=perl&markup=html#productions with an at-risk MEMBERS

15:38:30 <Zakim> ... function for lists. MEMBERS looks like "?recipe :hasIngrediences MEMBERS(?ingredient)".

Zakim IRC Bot: ... function for lists. MEMBERS looks like "?recipe :hasIngrediences MEMBERS(?ingredient)".

15:38:38 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

15:38:38 <Zakim> TallTed was not muted, TallTed

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed was not muted, TallTed

15:38:44 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:38:44 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

15:38:56 <deiu> ericP: there's a grammar for a subset of SPARQL update that has some stuff for lists

Eric Prud'hommeaux: there's a grammar for a subset of SPARQL update that has some stuff for lists

15:39:13 <deiu> ...in my implementation I use something for expanding lists, which shouldn't be hard to document

...in my implementation I use something for expanding lists, which shouldn't be hard to document

15:39:36 <deiu> ...we could say -- "unline SPARL update, when you use this for PATCH, you must guarantee atomicity..."

...we could say -- "unline SPARL update, when you use this for PATCH, you must guarantee atomicity..."

15:39:47 <Arnaud> ack deiu

Arnaud Le Hors: ack deiu

15:40:41 <deiu> deiu: we have several implementations right now that work

Andrei Sambra: we have several implementations right now that work

15:41:00 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

15:41:03 <deiu> Arnaud: right, and because we don't have any open issues, maybe we can move to LC and look for implementers

Arnaud Le Hors: right, and because we don't have any open issues, maybe we can move to LC and look for implementers

15:41:04 <Arnaud> ack Ashok

Arnaud Le Hors: ack Ashok

15:41:35 <deiu> Ashok: I am curious what happened here, because Andrei and Alexandre started very enthusiastic about it, but it looks like they're giving up

Ashok Malhotra: I am curious what happened here, because Andrei and Alexandre started very enthusiastic about it, but it looks like they're giving up

15:41:39 <deiu> ...I'm wondering why

...I'm wondering why

15:41:55 <SteveS> multiple comments we had was that we’d recommend a bit more formalism of the grammar and semantics, perhaps that should be an open issue/action ?

Steve Speicher: multiple comments we had was that we’d recommend a bit more formalism of the grammar and semantics, perhaps that should be an open issue/action ?

15:42:02 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

15:42:02 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted

15:42:14 <deiu> Arnaud: maybe they feel discouraged because there are not many people sending feedback

Arnaud Le Hors: maybe they feel discouraged because there are not many people sending feedback

15:42:40 <deiu> TallTed: it is a viable spec that works, even though maybe it doesn't scale or it doesn't fit all use cases

Ted Thibodeau: it is a viable spec that works, even though maybe it doesn't scale or it doesn't fit all use cases

15:42:46 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:42:46 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

15:44:46 <bblfish> q-

Henry Story: q-

15:45:13 <deiu> Topic: rechartering

10. rechartering

15:45:34 <deiu> Arnaud: sandro and I were discussing this last week and he sent an email to the group

Arnaud Le Hors: sandro and I were discussing this last week and he sent an email to the group

15:46:03 <deiu> ...have people looked at it and want to react to it?

...have people looked at it and want to react to it?

15:46:23 <deiu> SteveS: I have a quick reaction

Steve Speicher: I have a quick reaction

15:46:35 <deiu> ...I see we still have some active work ahead of us in this group

...I see we still have some active work ahead of us in this group

15:47:17 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q?

15:47:21 <sandro> q+

Sandro Hawke: q+

15:47:24 <deiu> ...if we can somehow structure the charter so that there's an adoption period or learning period, to allow us to close loose ends and have less frequent calls

...if we can somehow structure the charter so that there's an adoption period or learning period, to allow us to close loose ends and have less frequent calls

15:47:46 <deiu> Arnaud: we could have a schedule that allows us to have a slow start, with less frequent calls

Arnaud Le Hors: we could have a schedule that allows us to have a slow start, with less frequent calls

15:48:14 <deiu> ...it seems that we either make that officially (by rechartering) or we just leave the WG in limbo and just wait

...it seems that we either make that officially (by rechartering) or we just leave the WG in limbo and just wait

15:48:22 <Arnaud> ack sandro

Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro

15:48:29 <deiu> ...we can still meet and use the mailing list even if we don't recharter

...we can still meet and use the mailing list even if we don't recharter

15:48:30 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

15:48:30 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted

15:48:32 <TallTed> q+

Ted Thibodeau: q+

15:49:19 <deiu> sandro: when we talked about rechartering at our last f2f, I started thinking about LDP as a set of building blocks and from that context I can see for instance that patch is a separate building block..so is the notification mechanism

Sandro Hawke: when we talked about rechartering at our last f2f, I started thinking about LDP as a set of building blocks and from that context I can see for instance that patch is a separate building block..so is the notification mechanism

15:49:53 <deiu> ...I'm wondering if we can pick up each item from the wish list and work on it

...I'm wondering if we can pick up each item from the wish list and work on it

15:49:59 <Arnaud> ack TallTed

Arnaud Le Hors: ack TallTed

15:50:09 <deiu> ...if the item is not relevant to some people, they don't have to join the call for it

...if the item is not relevant to some people, they don't have to join the call for it

15:50:25 <deiu> TallTed: that means people will fall off the grid, and they get disengaged

Ted Thibodeau: that means people will fall off the grid, and they get disengaged

15:50:41 <deiu> ...rechartering immediately makes more sense to me

...rechartering immediately makes more sense to me

15:51:02 <deiu> q+

q+

15:51:17 <Arnaud> ack deiu

Arnaud Le Hors: ack deiu

15:52:23 <deiu> Arnaud: I think we're better off rechartering, which won't happen before December

Arnaud Le Hors: I think we're better off rechartering, which won't happen before December

15:52:30 <deiu> ...it takes 4 weeks for AC review anyway

...it takes 4 weeks for AC review anyway

15:52:52 <deiu> ...so officially, we probably won't start before January 2015

...so officially, we probably won't start before January 2015

15:53:22 <deiu> ...we can keep a regular schedule on, and if we decide to skip calls (or make them informal) then that's up to us

...we can keep a regular schedule on, and if we decide to skip calls (or make them informal) then that's up to us

15:53:47 <deiu> sandro: the current charter is pretty vague

Sandro Hawke: the current charter is pretty vague

15:55:11 <deiu> Arnaud: I doubt we'll have trouble with a charter that picks up on the previous one and just proposes extensions and improvements

Arnaud Le Hors: I doubt we'll have trouble with a charter that picks up on the previous one and just proposes extensions and improvements

15:55:46 <deiu> ...I can look at the table and shift everything by 3-6 months and at the same time, people should look at the questions we want to address

...I can look at the table and shift everything by 3-6 months and at the same time, people should look at the questions we want to address

15:56:08 <deiu> sandro: what's the timeline for the decision?

Sandro Hawke: what's the timeline for the decision?

15:56:22 <deiu> Arnaud: we expire at the end of the month, so should have an official position by then

Arnaud Le Hors: we expire at the end of the month, so should have an official position by then

15:56:51 <deiu> ...in the next 2 weeks we need to figure out what we want to do

...in the next 2 weeks we need to figure out what we want to do

15:57:05 <deiu> ...I want to have a charter ready for the end of the months so I can send it to the AC

...I want to have a charter ready for the end of the months so I can send it to the AC

15:57:22 <deiu> ...please use the time until the next call to look at the charter

...please use the time until the next call to look at the charter

15:57:54 <deiu> ...Steve mentioned the notion of sending updates, Sandro too

...Steve mentioned the notion of sending updates, Sandro too

15:58:05 <deiu> ...we need to come up with a list of items people are interested in

...we need to come up with a list of items people are interested in

15:59:22 <bblfish> thanks

Henry Story: thanks

15:59:23 <azaroth> Thanks all :)

Robert Sanderson: Thanks all :)

15:59:26 <deiu> [adjourned]

[adjourned]

15:59:26 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra

15:59:29 <Zakim> -TallTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed

15:59:30 <Zakim> -pchampin

Zakim IRC Bot: -pchampin

15:59:30 <Zakim> -SteveS

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS

15:59:32 <Zakim> -bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish

15:59:32 <Zakim> -deiu

Zakim IRC Bot: -deiu

15:59:33 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP

15:59:34 <Zakim> -azaroth

Zakim IRC Bot: -azaroth

15:59:35 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud

15:59:37 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

15:59:39 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

15:59:39 <Zakim> Attendees were deiu, azaroth, Arnaud, Sandro, Ashok_Malhotra, TallTed, bblfish, SteveS, ericP, +33.9.51.77.aaaa, pchampin

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were deiu, azaroth, Arnaud, Sandro, Ashok_Malhotra, TallTed, bblfish, SteveS, ericP, +33.9.51.77.aaaa, pchampin

15:59:48 <Arnaud> trackbot, end meeting

Arnaud Le Hors: trackbot, end meeting

15:59:48 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees

15:59:48 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

15:59:56 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

15:59:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/10-ldp-minutes.html trackbot

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/10-ldp-minutes.html trackbot

15:59:57 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye

15:59:57 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items



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