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13:58:50 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
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13:58:50 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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13:58:51 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:58:51 <trackbot> Date: 20 October 2014
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14:02:18 <SteveS> zakim, [IBM] is me
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14:03:49 <JohnArwe> regrets: azaroth, nandana, alexandre, andrei
14:05:26 <Zakim> +Roger
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14:06:40 <Ashok> scribenick: Ashok
(Scribe set to Ashok Malhotra)
14:06:54 <Ashok> scribe: Ashok
14:07:09 <Arnaud> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.10.20
<Ashok> chair: Arnaud
14:07:26 <SteveS> JohnArwe, ok
Steve Speicher: JohnArwe, ok ←
<Ashok> Topic: Admin
14:07:34 <Ashok> subTopic: Approval of last weeks meeting
14:08:11 <Ashok> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-10-13
http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-10-13 ←
14:08:37 <Zakim> +ericP
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14:11:06 <Ashok> Resolved: No objection. Minutes of 13 October approved.
RESOLVED: No objection. Minutes of 13 October approved. ←
14:11:16 <Ashok> subTopic: Next meeting
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14:11:31 <codyburleson> Zakim, IPcaller is me.
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14:11:43 <Ashok> Arnaud: Let us skip next Monday due to TPAC.
Arnaud Le Hors: Let us skip next Monday due to TPAC. ←
14:11:52 <Ashok> ... next meeting Nov 3
... next meeting Nov 3 ←
14:12:31 <Ashok> Topic: LDP Spec
14:12:47 <Ashok> Arnaud: We have made progress on implementations
Arnaud Le Hors: We have made progress on implementations ←
14:12:58 <Ashok> ... new report from Nandana
... new report from Nandana ←
14:13:44 <Ashok> ... we have enough implementations of Basic and Direct Containers.
... we have enough implementations of Basic and Direct Containers. ←
14:14:07 <Ashok> ... we have implementations of Indirect Container but all tests are not passed
... we have implementations of Indirect Container but all tests are not passed ←
14:14:20 <Ashok> Steves: Those are manual tests
Steve Speicher: Those are manual tests ←
14:15:01 <Ashok> Arnaud: I think we can proceed ...
Arnaud Le Hors: I think we can proceed ... ←
14:15:36 <Ashok> Steves: We need people to contribute tests ... esp. for Indirect Containers
Steve Speicher: We need people to contribute tests ... esp. for Indirect Containers ←
14:15:59 <SteveS> Needs to be approved: http://w3c.github.io/ldp-testsuite/manifest/#tobeapproved
Steve Speicher: Needs to be approved: http://w3c.github.io/ldp-testsuite/manifest/#tobeapproved ←
14:16:01 <Ashok> ... there is one test that has not been approved. We shd approve that
... there is one test that has not been approved. We shd approve that ←
14:17:08 <SteveS> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/tests/reports/ldp.html#directcontainer-must
Steve Speicher: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/tests/reports/ldp.html#directcontainer-must ←
14:17:53 <Ashok> Shows 3 implementations passing this ... I think carbon will pass it also
Shows 3 implementations passing this ... I think Carbon will pass it also ←
14:18:09 <Ashok> Arnaud: Let's approve this test
Arnaud Le Hors: Let's approve this test ←
14:18:11 <Arnaud> Proposed: approve http://w3c.github.io/ldp-testsuite/manifest/#testActAsIfInsertedContentRelationTripleExists
PROPOSED: approve http://w3c.github.io/ldp-testsuite/manifest/#testActAsIfInsertedContentRelationTripleExists ←
14:18:17 <SteveS> +1
Steve Speicher: +1 ←
14:18:21 <roger> +1
Roger Menday: +1 ←
14:18:23 <Ashok> +1
+1 ←
14:18:24 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
14:18:31 <MiguelAraCo> +1
Miguel Aragón: +1 ←
14:18:44 <Arnaud> Resolved: Approve http://w3c.github.io/ldp-testsuite/manifest/#testActAsIfInsertedContentRelationTripleExists
RESOLVED: Approve http://w3c.github.io/ldp-testsuite/manifest/#testActAsIfInsertedContentRelationTripleExists ←
14:19:07 <Ashok> Arnaud: Test approved ... pl. add to report
Arnaud Le Hors: Test approved ... pl. add to report ←
14:19:20 <Ashok> s/carbon/Carbon/
14:20:07 <Ashok> Arnaud: Miguel pl. talk about the untested tests ... any progress
Arnaud Le Hors: Miguel pl. talk about the untested tests ... any progress ←
14:20:42 <Ashok> MiguelAraCo: Working on it
Miguel Aragón: Working on it ←
14:21:13 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: move LDP spec to Proposed Recommendation
PROPOSED: move LDP spec to Proposed Recommendation ←
14:21:23 <SteveS> +1
Steve Speicher: +1 ←
14:21:24 <JohnArwe> +1
14:21:24 <codyburleson> +1
Cody Burleson: +1 ←
14:21:31 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
14:21:33 <MiguelAraCo> +1
Miguel Aragón: +1 ←
14:21:38 <Ashok> +1
+1 ←
14:21:57 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
14:22:23 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Move LDP spec to Proposed Recommendation
RESOLVED: Move LDP spec to Proposed Recommendation ←
14:22:23 <Ashok> Arnaud: We do not pull out Indirect Container which was marked "at risk"
Arnaud Le Hors: We do not pull out Indirect Container which was marked "at risk" ←
14:22:25 <Zakim> +??P17
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14:22:31 <JohnArwe> list from CR spec: The following features are At Risk:
John Arwe: list from CR spec: The following features are At Risk: ←
14:22:31 <JohnArwe> The HTTP Accept-Post header, that allows clients to determine which media types a server accepts on POST requests.
John Arwe: The HTTP Accept-Post header, that allows clients to determine which media types a server accepts on POST requests. ←
14:22:31 <JohnArwe> The requirement that LDP clients be paging-aware.
John Arwe: The requirement that LDP clients be paging-aware. ←
14:22:31 <JohnArwe> JSON-LD as a required response representation and new member representation.
John Arwe: JSON-LD as a required response representation and new member representation. ←
14:22:32 <JohnArwe> Support for indirect containers.
John Arwe: Support for indirect containers. ←
14:23:18 <Ashok> Arnaud: Do we have 2 implementations of Accept-Post
Arnaud Le Hors: Do we have 2 implementations of Accept-Post ←
14:23:29 <Ashok> Steves: Yes, we do
Steve Speicher: Yes, we do ←
14:23:40 <Ashok> Arnaud: Accept-Post is in
Arnaud Le Hors: Accept-Post is in ←
14:23:56 <Ashok> ... Paging Aware?
... Paging Aware? ←
14:25:17 <Ashok> Steves: We says server cannot nitiate paging unless clients are paging aware
Steve Speicher: We says server cannot initiate paging unless clients are paging aware ←
14:25:44 <Ashok> s/nitiate/initiate/
14:26:07 <Ashok> Arnaud: It puts a normative reference on the Paging Spec
Arnaud Le Hors: It puts a normative reference on the Paging Spec ←
14:27:10 <Ashok> Discussion of referencing a spec that is a step behind
Discussion of referencing a spec that is a step behind ←
14:28:39 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: drop feature at risk section 4.3.1.14
PROPOSED: drop feature at risk section 4.3.1.14 ←
14:28:46 <Ashok> Arnaud: Remove section 4.3.1.14 ?
Arnaud Le Hors: Remove section 4.3.1.14 ? ←
14:28:55 <SteveS> +1
Steve Speicher: +1 ←
14:29:02 <roger> +1
Roger Menday: +1 ←
14:29:08 <JohnArwe> +1 decouple them KISS
John Arwe: +1 decouple them KISS ←
14:29:11 <Arnaud> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp.html#atrisk-paging
Arnaud Le Hors: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp.html#atrisk-paging ←
14:29:39 <Ashok> +1
+1 ←
14:29:42 <pchampin> +1
14:29:49 <Arnaud> ericP: +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 [ Scribe Assist by Arnaud Le Hors ] ←
14:29:56 <codyburleson> 0
Cody Burleson: 0 ←
14:30:04 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Drop feature at risk section 4.3.1.14
RESOLVED: Drop feature at risk section 4.3.1.14 ←
14:30:21 <Ashok> Arnaud: Next is JSON-LD
Arnaud Le Hors: Next is JSON-LD ←
14:30:30 <Ashok> Steves: We have 2 implementations
Steve Speicher: We have 2 implementations ←
14:31:14 <Ashok> Arnaud: So no problem
Arnaud Le Hors: So no problem ←
14:31:24 <MiguelAraCo> q+
Miguel Aragón: q+ ←
14:31:35 <Ashok> EricP: Asks about details of JSON-LD support
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Asks about details of JSON-LD support ←
14:31:49 <Arnaud> ack MiguelAraCo
Arnaud Le Hors: ack MiguelAraCo ←
14:32:21 <Zakim> + +33.6.47.14.aaaa
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14:32:43 <bblfish> zakim, aaaa is me
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14:32:43 <Zakim> +bblfish; got it
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14:34:15 <codyburleson> 4.3.2.2 LDP servers should respond with a text/turtle representation of the requested LDP-RS whenever the Accept request header is absent [turtle].
Cody Burleson: 4.3.2.2 LDP servers should respond with a text/turtle representation of the requested LDP-RS whenever the Accept request header is absent [turtle]. ←
14:34:21 <MiguelAraCo> MiguelAraCo: We would like to have JSON-LD as the default format (when an Accept header is missing)
Miguel Aragón: We would like to have JSON-LD as the default format (when an Accept header is missing) [ Scribe Assist by Miguel Aragón ] ←
14:35:09 <codyburleson> Got it - SHOULD. We're OK then. Thanks.
Cody Burleson: Got it - SHOULD. We're OK then. Thanks. ←
14:36:04 <Ashok> Arnaud: We have decided to move the LDP spec to PR
Arnaud Le Hors: We have decided to move the LDP spec to PR ←
14:36:17 <JohnArwe> and this is reflected in the language of the bullets. If an implementation were to extend LDP by allowing the
John Arwe: and this is reflected in the language of the bullets. If an implementation were to extend LDP by allowing the ←
14:36:17 <JohnArwe> interaction model to vary after creation, that is viewed as a compatible extension to LDP and the statements
John Arwe: interaction model to vary after creation, that is viewed as a compatible extension to LDP and the statements ←
14:36:17 <JohnArwe> above would constrain the default interaction model rather than saying that no other behavior is possib
John Arwe: above would constrain the default interaction model rather than saying that no other behavior is possib ←
14:37:33 <SteveS> http://www.w3.org/2013/TurtleReports/index.html
Steve Speicher: http://www.w3.org/2013/TurtleReports/index.html ←
14:37:58 <Ashok> Steves: The test suite says unofficial draft
Steve Speicher: The test suite says unofficial draft ←
14:38:09 <MiguelAraCo> @JohnArwe Yeah I think that would work for us.
Miguel Aragón: @JohnArwe Yeah I think that would work for us. ←
14:38:36 <codyburleson> Steve, in 4.3.2.2, why is "should" not in upper case as usual?
Cody Burleson: Steve, in 4.3.2.2, why is "should" not in upper case as usual? ←
14:38:44 <bblfish> there is the official Turtle recommondation here http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/
Henry Story: there is the official Turtle recommondation here http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/ ←
14:38:55 <Ashok> Arnaud: Remove Unofficial Report
Arnaud Le Hors: Remove Unofficial Report ←
14:38:56 <Zakim> -ericP
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14:39:21 <Zakim> +ericP
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14:39:23 <codyburleson> Nevermind, Steve.
Cody Burleson: Nevermind, Steve. ←
14:39:54 <Arnaud> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp/2014Oct/0002.html
Arnaud Le Hors: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp/2014Oct/0002.html ←
14:40:05 <Ashok> Arnaud: Talks about disposition of comments ... comment from Reto Gmur
Arnaud Le Hors: Talks about disposition of comments ... comment from Reto Gmur ←
14:40:43 <Ashok> ... need to fix the document
... need to fix the document ←
14:42:05 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:42:20 <Ashok> Topic: Paging
14:43:02 <Ashok> Arnaud: Discusses comments on Paging spec
Arnaud Le Hors: Discusses comments on Paging spec ←
14:44:02 <Ashok> ... is it fair to say no active objections
... is it fair to say no active objections ←
14:45:13 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
14:46:08 <Ashok> Henry: How to do a PUT on a file that does not exist ... section 4.4.6
Henry Story: How to do a PUT on a file that does not exist ... section 4.4.6 ←
14:46:23 <Ashok> ... conditional PUTs to CREATE
... conditional PUTs to CREATE ←
14:46:50 <Ashok> John: HTTP discusses this so we do not
John Arwe: HTTP discusses this so we do not ←
14:47:13 <Ashok> Henry: If there is an obvious answer we should add it.
Henry Story: If there is an obvious answer we should add it. ←
14:47:33 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: Move LDP Paging spec to Candidate Recommendation
Arnaud Le Hors: PROPOSED: Move LDP Paging spec to Candidate Recommendation ←
14:47:41 <Ashok> Arnaud: Perhaps in Best Practices ... Henry pl. send mail to list
Arnaud Le Hors: Perhaps in Best Practices ... Henry pl. send mail to list ←
14:47:49 <codyburleson> 0
Cody Burleson: 0 ←
14:48:00 <JohnArwe> +1
14:48:02 <SteveS> +1
Steve Speicher: +1 ←
14:48:06 <pchampin> 0
14:48:12 <Ashok> 0
0 ←
14:48:16 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
14:48:20 <TallTed> +0
Ted Thibodeau: +0 ←
14:48:39 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Move LDP Paging spec to Candidate Recommendation
RESOLVED: Move LDP Paging spec to Candidate Recommendation ←
14:48:58 <Ashok> q+
q+ ←
14:49:15 <Arnaud> ack Ashok
Arnaud Le Hors: ack Ashok ←
14:51:02 <SteveS> q+
Steve Speicher: q+ ←
14:51:12 <Arnaud> ack SteveS
Arnaud Le Hors: ack SteveS ←
14:51:44 <Ashok> Oracle specs all use client-based paging
Oracle specs all use client-based paging ←
14:52:19 <Ashok> Steves: We have one implementation
Steve Speicher: We have one implementation ←
14:52:32 <codyburleson> Position from Carbon team: We haven't "lost" interest in paging so much as - we just haven't had time to get to it yet. We've been frying what we perceive to be as "bigger fish".
Cody Burleson: Position from Carbon team: We haven't "lost" interest in paging so much as - we just haven't had time to get to it yet. We've been frying what we perceive to be as "bigger fish". ←
14:53:00 <SteveS> We already have an implementation that I know of, we plan to work on test stuite and ref impls
Steve Speicher: We already have an implementation that I know of, we plan to work on test stuite and ref impls ←
14:53:24 <Ashok> Topic: Rechartering
14:53:25 <SteveS> codyburleson, guess the “bigger fish” isn’t big enough to need to be paged ;)
Steve Speicher: codyburleson, guess the “bigger fish” isn’t big enough to need to be paged ;) ←
14:53:48 <Ashok> Arnaud: WG Charter expires Dec 1 ... we should create a new charter
Arnaud Le Hors: WG Charter expires Dec 1 ... we should create a new charter ←
14:53:58 <Arnaud> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/LDPNext2015_Charter
Arnaud Le Hors: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/LDPNext2015_Charter ←
14:54:10 <Ashok> ... here is a draft
... here is a draft ←
14:55:25 <SteveS> “7. How can a client specify the size of a page when paging?” is already covered by ldp-paging spec
Steve Speicher: “7. How can a client specify the size of a page when paging?” is already covered by ldp-paging spec ←
14:55:42 <Ashok> Please look at scope and comment
Please look at scope and comment ←
14:57:18 <SteveS> Need to fix names: “Linked Data Paging” -> “Linked Data Platform Paging”
Steve Speicher: Need to fix names: “Linked Data Paging” -> “Linked Data Platform Paging” ←
14:58:41 <SteveS> q+
Steve Speicher: q+ ←
14:59:35 <Ashok> Arnaud: Proposal is for a new WG to start dec/jan for 2 years
Arnaud Le Hors: Proposal is for a new WG to start dec/jan for 2 years ←
14:59:42 <Arnaud> ack SteveS
Arnaud Le Hors: ack SteveS ←
15:00:27 <Ashok> Steves: Perhaps a new kind of container?
Steve Speicher: Perhaps a new kind of container? ←
15:01:45 <Ashok> Arnaud: Discussion about producing "mini-specs"
Arnaud Le Hors: Discussion about producing "mini-specs" ←
15:01:59 <Ashok> ... please send comments to the list
... please send comments to the list ←
15:02:17 <Zakim> -Roger
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15:02:19 <Zakim> -TallTed
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15:02:19 <Zakim> -bblfish
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15:02:21 <Zakim> -codyburleson
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15:02:22 <Zakim> -JohnArwe
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15:02:22 <Zakim> -Arnaud
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15:02:32 <Zakim> -ericP
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15:02:39 <Ashok> Congratulations on moving LDP Spec to PR ... only 6 months behind schedule :-)
Congratulations on moving LDP Spec to PR ... only 6 months behind schedule :-) ←
15:02:45 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
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15:35:01 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, pchampin, in SW_LDP()10:00AM
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15:35:02 <Zakim> Attendees were Arnaud, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, SteveS, Roger, ericP, codyburleson, pchampin, +33.6.47.14.aaaa, bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Arnaud, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, SteveS, Roger, ericP, codyburleson, pchampin, +33.6.47.14.aaaa, bblfish ←
<Ashok> Present: Arnaud, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, SteveS, Roger, ericP, codyburleson, pchampin, bblfish
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