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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 20 October 2014

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.10.20
Present
Arnaud Le Hors, Ted Thibodeau, Ashok Malhotra, John Arwe, Steve Speicher, Roger Menday, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Cody Burleson, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Henry Story
Regrets
Robert Sanderson, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, Alexandre Bertails, Andrei Sambra
Chair
Arnaud Le Hors
Scribe
Ashok Malhotra
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. No objection. Minutes of 13 October approved. link
  2. Approve http://w3c.github.io/ldp-testsuite/manifest/#testActAsIfInsertedContentRelationTripleExists link
  3. Move LDP spec to Proposed Recommendation link
  4. Drop feature at risk section 4.3.1.14 link
  5. Move LDP Paging spec to Candidate Recommendation link
Topics
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13:58:50 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

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13:58:51 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:58:51 <trackbot> Date: 20 October 2014
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14:03:49 <JohnArwe> regrets: azaroth, nandana, alexandre, andrei
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14:06:40 <Ashok> scribenick:  Ashok

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14:06:54 <Ashok> scribe:  Ashok
14:07:09 <Arnaud> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.10.20
<Ashok> chair: Arnaud
14:07:26 <SteveS> JohnArwe, ok

Steve Speicher: JohnArwe, ok

<Ashok> Topic: Admin

1. Admin

14:07:34 <Ashok> subTopic:  Approval of last weeks meeting

1.1. Approval of last weeks meeting

14:08:11 <Ashok> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-10-13

http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-10-13

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14:11:06 <Ashok> Resolved: No objection. Minutes of 13 October approved.

RESOLVED: No objection. Minutes of 13 October approved.

14:11:16 <Ashok> subTopic:  Next meeting

1.2. Next meeting

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14:11:43 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Let us skip next Monday due to TPAC.

Arnaud Le Hors: Let us skip next Monday due to TPAC.

14:11:52 <Ashok> ... next meeting Nov 3

... next meeting Nov 3

14:12:31 <Ashok> Topic:  LDP Spec

2. LDP Spec

14:12:47 <Ashok> Arnaud:  We have made progress on implementations

Arnaud Le Hors: We have made progress on implementations

14:12:58 <Ashok> ... new report from Nandana

... new report from Nandana

14:13:44 <Ashok> ... we have enough implementations of Basic and Direct Containers.

... we have enough implementations of Basic and Direct Containers.

14:14:07 <Ashok> ... we have implementations of Indirect Container but all tests are not passed

... we have implementations of Indirect Container but all tests are not passed

14:14:20 <Ashok> Steves:  Those are manual tests

Steve Speicher: Those are manual tests

14:15:01 <Ashok> Arnaud:  I think we can proceed ...

Arnaud Le Hors: I think we can proceed ...

14:15:36 <Ashok> Steves:  We need people to contribute tests ... esp. for Indirect Containers

Steve Speicher: We need people to contribute tests ... esp. for Indirect Containers

14:15:59 <SteveS> Needs to be approved: http://w3c.github.io/ldp-testsuite/manifest/#tobeapproved

Steve Speicher: Needs to be approved: http://w3c.github.io/ldp-testsuite/manifest/#tobeapproved

14:16:01 <Ashok> ... there is one test that has not been approved.  We shd approve that

... there is one test that has not been approved. We shd approve that

14:17:08 <SteveS> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/tests/reports/ldp.html#directcontainer-must

Steve Speicher: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/tests/reports/ldp.html#directcontainer-must

14:17:53 <Ashok> Shows 3 implementations passing this ... I think carbon will pass it also

Shows 3 implementations passing this ... I think Carbon will pass it also

14:18:09 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Let's approve this test

Arnaud Le Hors: Let's approve this test

14:18:11 <Arnaud> Proposed: approve http://w3c.github.io/ldp-testsuite/manifest/#testActAsIfInsertedContentRelationTripleExists

PROPOSED: approve http://w3c.github.io/ldp-testsuite/manifest/#testActAsIfInsertedContentRelationTripleExists

14:18:17 <SteveS> +1

Steve Speicher: +1

14:18:21 <roger> +1

Roger Menday: +1

14:18:23 <Ashok> +1

+1

14:18:24 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

14:18:31 <MiguelAraCo> +1

Miguel Aragón: +1

14:18:44 <Arnaud> Resolved: Approve http://w3c.github.io/ldp-testsuite/manifest/#testActAsIfInsertedContentRelationTripleExists

RESOLVED: Approve http://w3c.github.io/ldp-testsuite/manifest/#testActAsIfInsertedContentRelationTripleExists

14:19:07 <Ashok> Arnaud: Test approved ... pl. add to report

Arnaud Le Hors: Test approved ... pl. add to report

14:19:20 <Ashok> s/carbon/Carbon/
14:20:07 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Miguel pl. talk about the untested tests ... any progress

Arnaud Le Hors: Miguel pl. talk about the untested tests ... any progress

14:20:42 <Ashok> MiguelAraCo:  Working on it

Miguel Aragón: Working on it

14:21:13 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: move LDP spec to Proposed Recommendation

PROPOSED: move LDP spec to Proposed Recommendation

14:21:23 <SteveS> +1

Steve Speicher: +1

14:21:24 <JohnArwe> +1

John Arwe: +1

14:21:24 <codyburleson> +1

Cody Burleson: +1

14:21:31 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

14:21:33 <MiguelAraCo> +1

Miguel Aragón: +1

14:21:38 <Ashok> +1

+1

14:21:57 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1

14:22:23 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Move LDP spec to Proposed Recommendation

RESOLVED: Move LDP spec to Proposed Recommendation

14:22:23 <Ashok> Arnaud:  We do not pull out Indirect Container which was marked "at risk"

Arnaud Le Hors: We do not pull out Indirect Container which was marked "at risk"

14:22:25 <Zakim> +??P17

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14:22:31 <JohnArwe> list from CR spec: The following features are At Risk:

John Arwe: list from CR spec: The following features are At Risk:

14:22:31 <JohnArwe>     The HTTP Accept-Post header, that allows clients to determine which media types a server accepts on POST requests.

John Arwe: The HTTP Accept-Post header, that allows clients to determine which media types a server accepts on POST requests.

14:22:31 <JohnArwe>     The requirement that LDP clients be paging-aware.

John Arwe: The requirement that LDP clients be paging-aware.

14:22:31 <JohnArwe>     JSON-LD as a required response representation and new member representation.

John Arwe: JSON-LD as a required response representation and new member representation.

14:22:32 <JohnArwe>     Support for indirect containers.

John Arwe: Support for indirect containers.

14:23:18 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Do we have 2 implementations of Accept-Post

Arnaud Le Hors: Do we have 2 implementations of Accept-Post

14:23:29 <Ashok> Steves:  Yes, we do

Steve Speicher: Yes, we do

14:23:40 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Accept-Post is in

Arnaud Le Hors: Accept-Post is in

14:23:56 <Ashok> ... Paging Aware?

... Paging Aware?

14:25:17 <Ashok> Steves:  We says server cannot nitiate paging unless clients are paging aware

Steve Speicher: We says server cannot initiate paging unless clients are paging aware

14:25:44 <Ashok> s/nitiate/initiate/
14:26:07 <Ashok> Arnaud:  It puts a normative reference on the Paging Spec

Arnaud Le Hors: It puts a normative reference on the Paging Spec

14:27:10 <Ashok> Discussion of referencing a spec that is a step behind

Discussion of referencing a spec that is a step behind

14:28:39 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: drop feature at risk section 4.3.1.14

PROPOSED: drop feature at risk section 4.3.1.14

14:28:46 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Remove section 4.3.1.14 ?

Arnaud Le Hors: Remove section 4.3.1.14 ?

14:28:55 <SteveS> +1

Steve Speicher: +1

14:29:02 <roger> +1

Roger Menday: +1

14:29:08 <JohnArwe> +1 decouple them KISS

John Arwe: +1 decouple them KISS

14:29:11 <Arnaud> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp.html#atrisk-paging

Arnaud Le Hors: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp.html#atrisk-paging

14:29:39 <Ashok> +1

+1

14:29:42 <pchampin> +1

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1

14:29:49 <Arnaud> ericP: +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 [ Scribe Assist by Arnaud Le Hors ]

14:29:56 <codyburleson> 0

Cody Burleson: 0

14:30:04 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Drop feature at risk section 4.3.1.14

RESOLVED: Drop feature at risk section 4.3.1.14

14:30:21 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Next is JSON-LD

Arnaud Le Hors: Next is JSON-LD

14:30:30 <Ashok> Steves:  We have 2 implementations

Steve Speicher: We have 2 implementations

14:31:14 <Ashok> Arnaud:  So no problem

Arnaud Le Hors: So no problem

14:31:24 <MiguelAraCo> q+

Miguel Aragón: q+

14:31:35 <Ashok> EricP:  Asks about details of JSON-LD support

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Asks about details of JSON-LD support

14:31:49 <Arnaud> ack MiguelAraCo

Arnaud Le Hors: ack MiguelAraCo

14:32:21 <Zakim> + +33.6.47.14.aaaa

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14:32:43 <bblfish> zakim, aaaa is me

Henry Story: zakim, aaaa is me

14:32:43 <Zakim> +bblfish; got it

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14:34:15 <codyburleson>  4.3.2.2 LDP servers should respond with a text/turtle representation of the requested LDP-RS whenever the Accept request header is absent [turtle].

Cody Burleson: 4.3.2.2 LDP servers should respond with a text/turtle representation of the requested LDP-RS whenever the Accept request header is absent [turtle].

14:34:21 <MiguelAraCo> MiguelAraCo: We would like to have JSON-LD as the default format (when an Accept header is missing)

Miguel Aragón: We would like to have JSON-LD as the default format (when an Accept header is missing) [ Scribe Assist by Miguel Aragón ]

14:35:09 <codyburleson> Got it - SHOULD. We're OK then. Thanks.

Cody Burleson: Got it - SHOULD. We're OK then. Thanks.

14:36:04 <Ashok> Arnaud:  We have decided to move the LDP spec to PR

Arnaud Le Hors: We have decided to move the LDP spec to PR

14:36:17 <JohnArwe>             and this is reflected in the language of the bullets.  If an implementation were to extend LDP by allowing the

John Arwe: and this is reflected in the language of the bullets. If an implementation were to extend LDP by allowing the

14:36:17 <JohnArwe>                 interaction model to vary after creation, that is viewed as a compatible extension to LDP and the statements

John Arwe: interaction model to vary after creation, that is viewed as a compatible extension to LDP and the statements

14:36:17 <JohnArwe>                 above would constrain the default interaction model rather than saying that no other behavior is possib

John Arwe: above would constrain the default interaction model rather than saying that no other behavior is possib

14:37:33 <SteveS> http://www.w3.org/2013/TurtleReports/index.html

Steve Speicher: http://www.w3.org/2013/TurtleReports/index.html

14:37:58 <Ashok> Steves:  The test suite says unofficial draft

Steve Speicher: The test suite says unofficial draft

14:38:09 <MiguelAraCo> @JohnArwe Yeah I think that would work for us.

Miguel Aragón: @JohnArwe Yeah I think that would work for us.

14:38:36 <codyburleson> Steve, in 4.3.2.2, why is "should" not in upper case as usual?

Cody Burleson: Steve, in 4.3.2.2, why is "should" not in upper case as usual?

14:38:44 <bblfish> there is the official Turtle recommondation here http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/

Henry Story: there is the official Turtle recommondation here http://www.w3.org/TR/turtle/

14:38:55 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Remove Unofficial Report

Arnaud Le Hors: Remove Unofficial Report

14:38:56 <Zakim> -ericP

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14:39:21 <Zakim> +ericP

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14:39:23 <codyburleson> Nevermind, Steve.

Cody Burleson: Nevermind, Steve.

14:39:54 <Arnaud> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp/2014Oct/0002.html

Arnaud Le Hors: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp/2014Oct/0002.html

14:40:05 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Talks about disposition of comments ... comment from Reto Gmur

Arnaud Le Hors: Talks about disposition of comments ... comment from Reto Gmur

14:40:43 <Ashok> ... need to fix the document

... need to fix the document

14:42:05 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

14:42:20 <Ashok> Topic:  Paging

3. Paging

14:43:02 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Discusses comments on Paging spec

Arnaud Le Hors: Discusses comments on Paging spec

14:44:02 <Ashok> ... is it fair to say no active objections

... is it fair to say no active objections

14:45:13 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

14:46:08 <Ashok> Henry:  How to do a PUT on a file that does not exist ... section 4.4.6

Henry Story: How to do a PUT on a file that does not exist ... section 4.4.6

14:46:23 <Ashok> ... conditional PUTs to CREATE

... conditional PUTs to CREATE

14:46:50 <Ashok> John:  HTTP discusses this so we do not

John Arwe: HTTP discusses this so we do not

14:47:13 <Ashok> Henry:  If there is an obvious answer we should add it.

Henry Story: If there is an obvious answer we should add it.

14:47:33 <Arnaud>  PROPOSED: Move LDP Paging spec to Candidate Recommendation

Arnaud Le Hors: PROPOSED: Move LDP Paging spec to Candidate Recommendation

14:47:41 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Perhaps in Best Practices ... Henry pl. send mail to list

Arnaud Le Hors: Perhaps in Best Practices ... Henry pl. send mail to list

14:47:49 <codyburleson> 0

Cody Burleson: 0

14:48:00 <JohnArwe> +1

John Arwe: +1

14:48:02 <SteveS> +1

Steve Speicher: +1

14:48:06 <pchampin> 0

Pierre-Antoine Champin: 0

14:48:12 <Ashok> 0

0

14:48:16 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1

14:48:20 <TallTed> +0

Ted Thibodeau: +0

14:48:39 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Move LDP Paging spec to Candidate Recommendation

RESOLVED: Move LDP Paging spec to Candidate Recommendation

14:48:58 <Ashok> q+

q+

14:49:15 <Arnaud> ack Ashok

Arnaud Le Hors: ack Ashok

14:51:02 <SteveS> q+

Steve Speicher: q+

14:51:12 <Arnaud> ack SteveS

Arnaud Le Hors: ack SteveS

14:51:44 <Ashok> Oracle specs all use client-based paging

Oracle specs all use client-based paging

14:52:19 <Ashok> Steves:  We have one implementation

Steve Speicher: We have one implementation

14:52:32 <codyburleson> Position from Carbon team: We haven't "lost" interest in paging so much as - we just haven't had time to get to it yet. We've been frying what we perceive to be as "bigger fish".

Cody Burleson: Position from Carbon team: We haven't "lost" interest in paging so much as - we just haven't had time to get to it yet. We've been frying what we perceive to be as "bigger fish".

14:53:00 <SteveS> We already have an implementation that I know of, we plan to work on test stuite and ref impls

Steve Speicher: We already have an implementation that I know of, we plan to work on test stuite and ref impls

14:53:24 <Ashok> Topic:  Rechartering

4. Rechartering

14:53:25 <SteveS> codyburleson, guess the “bigger fish” isn’t big enough to need to be paged ;)

Steve Speicher: codyburleson, guess the “bigger fish” isn’t big enough to need to be paged ;)

14:53:48 <Ashok> Arnaud:  WG Charter expires Dec 1 ... we should create a new charter

Arnaud Le Hors: WG Charter expires Dec 1 ... we should create a new charter

14:53:58 <Arnaud> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/LDPNext2015_Charter

Arnaud Le Hors: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/LDPNext2015_Charter

14:54:10 <Ashok> ... here is a draft

... here is a draft

14:55:25 <SteveS> “7. How can a client specify the size of a page when paging?” is already covered by ldp-paging spec

Steve Speicher: “7. How can a client specify the size of a page when paging?” is already covered by ldp-paging spec

14:55:42 <Ashok> Please look at scope and comment

Please look at scope and comment

14:57:18 <SteveS> Need to fix names: “Linked Data Paging” -> “Linked Data Platform Paging”

Steve Speicher: Need to fix names: “Linked Data Paging” -> “Linked Data Platform Paging”

14:58:41 <SteveS> q+

Steve Speicher: q+

14:59:35 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Proposal is for a new WG to start dec/jan for 2 years

Arnaud Le Hors: Proposal is for a new WG to start dec/jan for 2 years

14:59:42 <Arnaud> ack SteveS

Arnaud Le Hors: ack SteveS

15:00:27 <Ashok> Steves:  Perhaps a new kind of container?

Steve Speicher: Perhaps a new kind of container?

15:01:45 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Discussion about producing "mini-specs"

Arnaud Le Hors: Discussion about producing "mini-specs"

15:01:59 <Ashok> ... please send comments to the list

... please send comments to the list

15:02:17 <Zakim> -Roger

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15:02:19 <Zakim> -TallTed

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15:02:19 <Zakim> -bblfish

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15:02:21 <Zakim> -codyburleson

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15:02:21 <Zakim> -SteveS

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15:02:22 <Zakim> -JohnArwe

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15:02:22 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud

15:02:32 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP

15:02:39 <Ashok> Congratulations on moving LDP Spec to PR ... only 6 months behind schedule :-)

Congratulations on moving LDP Spec to PR ... only 6 months behind schedule :-)

15:02:45 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra

15:35:01 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, pchampin, in SW_LDP()10:00AM

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15:35:02 <Zakim> Attendees were Arnaud, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, SteveS, Roger, ericP, codyburleson, pchampin, +33.6.47.14.aaaa, bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Arnaud, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, SteveS, Roger, ericP, codyburleson, pchampin, +33.6.47.14.aaaa, bblfish

<Ashok> Present: Arnaud, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, SteveS, Roger, ericP, codyburleson, pchampin, bblfish


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