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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 22 September 2014

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.09.22
Present
Sandro Hawke, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Robert Sanderson, Arnaud Le Hors, Andrei Sambra, Steve Speicher, Alexandre Bertails, Ted Thibodeau, Ashok Malhotra, Henry Story, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya
Chair
Arnaud Le Hors
Scribe
Andrei Sambra
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Minutes of 15 September 2014 are approved link
Topics
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13:59:15 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

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13:59:15 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started

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13:59:16 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:59:16 <trackbot> Date: 22 September 2014
14:00:43 <Zakim> +Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud

14:01:51 <azaroth> zakim, who is here?

Robert Sanderson: zakim, who is here?

14:01:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, ericP, azaroth, Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, ericP, azaroth, Arnaud

14:01:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see Ashok, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, pchampin, betehess, deiu, TallTed, bblfish, SteveS, jmvanel, Arnaud, tommorris, taaz, sandro, Yves, ericP, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Ashok, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, pchampin, betehess, deiu, TallTed, bblfish, SteveS, jmvanel, Arnaud, tommorris, taaz, sandro, Yves, ericP, trackbot

14:01:56 <Zakim> +deiu

Zakim IRC Bot: +deiu

14:01:57 <Zakim> +[IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM]

14:01:58 <SteveS> Zakim, [IBM] is me

Steve Speicher: Zakim, [IBM] is me

14:01:58 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it

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14:02:09 <Zakim> + +1.617.838.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.838.aaaa

14:02:15 <Zakim> +Alexandre

Zakim IRC Bot: +Alexandre

14:02:29 <TallTed> Zakim, aaaa is me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, aaaa is me

14:02:30 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +TallTed; got it

14:02:33 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

14:02:34 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

14:03:20 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra

14:05:50 <deiu> Or forward public-ldpatch list to public-ldp?

Andrei Sambra: Or forward public-ldpatch list to public-ldp?

14:07:02 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone?

14:07:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, ericP, azaroth, Arnaud, deiu, SteveS, TallTed (muted), Alexandre, Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, ericP, azaroth, Arnaud, deiu, SteveS, TallTed (muted), Alexandre, Ashok_Malhotra

14:07:35 <betehess> la crème de la crème

Alexandre Bertails: la crème de la crème

14:08:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:08:40 <deiu> ok

Andrei Sambra: ok

14:08:45 <deiu> scribenick: deiu

(Scribe set to Andrei Sambra)

<deiu> chair: Arnaud
<deiu> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.09.22
14:09:19 <deiu> Arnaud: I haven't had a chance to look at everything re. ld-patch, as the emails were sent at night

Arnaud Le Hors: I haven't had a chance to look at everything re. ld-patch, as the emails were sent at night

14:09:28 <deiu> ... I woke up to a pile of emails

... I woke up to a pile of emails

14:09:55 <deiu> sandro: [...planet is round...]

Sandro Hawke: [...planet is round...]

14:10:04 <betehess> didn't see anything wrong there

Alexandre Bertails: didn't see anything wrong there

<deiu> topic: Admin

1. Admin

14:10:09 <deiu> Arnaud: objections to minutes from last week?

Arnaud Le Hors: objections to minutes from last week?

<deiu> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-09-15

http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-09-15

14:10:19 <deiu> Resolved: Minutes of 15 September 2014 are approved

RESOLVED: Minutes of 15 September 2014 are approved

14:10:31 <deiu> ...we're meeting next week, Sept. 29th

...we're meeting next week, Sept. 29th

14:10:46 <deiu> ...we can skip the Actions and Issues

...we can skip the Actions and Issues

14:10:51 <deiu> Topic: LDP Spec

2. LDP Spec

14:11:20 <deiu> Arnaud: the LC document was published and we need to keep track of the disposition of comments

Arnaud Le Hors: the LC document was published and we need to keep track of the disposition of comments

14:11:32 <deiu> ...I suggested we do not use the LC tracker and people agreed

...I suggested we do not use the LC tracker and people agreed

14:11:38 <deiu> ...we'll just use the wiki page

...we'll just use the wiki page

14:11:48 <deiu> ...I created the first wiki page (with some pain re. styling)

...I created the first wiki page (with some pain re. styling)

14:12:07 <deiu> ...I reproduced the document we get as the outcome of our LC tracker

...I reproduced the document we get as the outcome of our LC tracker

14:12:33 <deiu> sandro: have you seen how other WGs did that on their wikis?

Sandro Hawke: have you seen how other WGs did that on their wikis?

14:12:44 <deiu> Arnaud: not really, I'd love to get a pointer if you have one

Arnaud Le Hors: not really, I'd love to get a pointer if you have one

14:12:54 <Zakim> +??P14

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P14

14:13:00 <deiu> ...the RDF WG had some nice ones

...the RDF WG had some nice ones

14:13:04 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P14 is me

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, ??P14 is me

14:13:04 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +nmihindu; got it

14:13:10 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, mute me

14:13:10 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: nmihindu should now be muted

14:13:13 <SteveS> Reto’s comment be considered a LC3 comment? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp/2014Sep/0006.html

Steve Speicher: Reto’s comment be considered a LC3 comment? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp/2014Sep/0006.html

14:13:26 <deiu> Arnaud: basically styling sucks

Arnaud Le Hors: basically styling sucks

14:13:57 <deiu> ...we will keep track of the compliance report; as of now we have enough to go to PR without indirect container

...we will keep track of the compliance report; as of now we have enough to go to PR without indirect container

14:14:13 <deiu> ...we'll see whether we get an implementation by the time we get to PR

...we'll see whether we get an implementation by the time we get to PR

14:14:40 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments behold the *fabulous* Turtle CR Comments

Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Turtle_Candidate_Recommendation_Comments behold the *fabulous* Turtle CR Comments

14:14:53 <deiu> SteveS: there was a comment (from Reto) and I don't know if we should treat that as a LC issue

Steve Speicher: there was a comment (from Reto) and I don't know if we should treat that as a LC issue

14:14:57 <deiu> Arnaud: I remember, yes

Arnaud Le Hors: I remember, yes

14:15:20 <deiu> SteveS: I think the we could provide more clarity there (re. interaction model)

Steve Speicher: I think the we could provide more clarity there (re. interaction model)

14:15:31 <deiu> Arnaud: I agree we can treat it as a LC comment

Arnaud Le Hors: I agree we can treat it as a LC comment

14:16:05 <deiu> ...I would like that you (SteveS) respond to it and see what the spec needs, so we can improve the text

...I would like that you (SteveS) respond to it and see what the spec needs, so we can improve the text

14:16:08 <deiu> Topic: Paging

3. Paging

14:16:29 <deiu> Arnaud: the document is not accurate yet, but I suppose you guys saw that John did reply and it generated quite a thread

Arnaud Le Hors: the document is not accurate yet, but I suppose you guys saw that John did reply and it generated quite a thread

14:16:38 <deiu> ...the two threads are kind of merged now

...the two threads are kind of merged now

14:16:54 <Ashok> q+

Ashok Malhotra: q+

14:17:07 <deiu> ...it seems that in the end they're not saying we got it completely wrong...but we may need to ask if they're ok with this moving forward or if we need to clarify it more

...it seems that in the end they're not saying we got it completely wrong...but we may need to ask if they're ok with this moving forward or if we need to clarify it more

14:17:15 <deiu> Ashok: I added a couple of comments

Ashok Malhotra: I added a couple of comments

14:17:55 <deiu> Arnaud: should we discuss those comments now?

Arnaud Le Hors: should we discuss those comments now?

14:18:05 <deiu> ...unfortunately John is away for 3 weeks

...unfortunately John is away for 3 weeks

14:18:38 <deiu> Arnaud: we have to pick up the slack and deal with the comments while he's not here

Arnaud Le Hors: we have to pick up the slack and deal with the comments while he's not here

14:19:28 <deiu> Arnaud: we should still answer Ashok's questions but we don't have to treat them as LC comments since Ashok is a WG member

Arnaud Le Hors: we should still answer Ashok's questions but we don't have to treat them as LC comments since Ashok is a WG member

14:19:34 <deiu> Arnaud: let's discuss them

Arnaud Le Hors: let's discuss them

14:20:03 <deiu> Ashok: there was one which was asking whether we want to allow the client to specify the ordering (e.g. ORDER BY in SQL)

Ashok Malhotra: there was one which was asking whether we want to allow the client to specify the ordering (e.g. ORDER BY in SQL)

14:20:14 <deiu> Arnaud: we don't do that, so that's the answer

Arnaud Le Hors: we don't do that, so that's the answer

14:20:30 <deiu> Ashok: the question that I could not remember was whether we had spoken about it

Ashok Malhotra: the question that I could not remember was whether we had spoken about it

14:20:36 <deiu> Arnaud: yes we had

Arnaud Le Hors: yes we had

14:20:55 <deiu> ...it would seem logical but it is server driven for now

...it would seem logical but it is server driven for now

14:21:09 <deiu> Ashok: I'm a bit concerned about it

Ashok Malhotra: I'm a bit concerned about it

14:21:32 <deiu> ...is the order set by the server arbitrary?

...is the order set by the server arbitrary?

14:21:38 <deiu> Arnaud: it depends on the server

Arnaud Le Hors: it depends on the server

14:21:51 <deiu> ...there might be an application specific order

...there might be an application specific order

14:22:24 <deiu> SteveS: we need to take a holistic view of how the client can request the contents of a container to see what's in it but also to filter the response

Steve Speicher: we need to take a holistic view of how the client can request the contents of a container to see what's in it but also to filter the response

14:22:50 <deiu> ...I thought we agreed to discuss that once we finish working on the "core" of paging

...I thought we agreed to discuss that once we finish working on the "core" of paging

14:22:54 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

14:22:54 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted

14:23:07 <deiu> Arnaud: you can come up with a proposal

Arnaud Le Hors: you can come up with a proposal

14:23:51 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

14:23:51 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

14:23:51 <deiu> TallTed: does it make any sense to at put a disclaimer there, since this issue will keep coming up in the future?

Ted Thibodeau: does it make any sense to at put a disclaimer there, since this issue will keep coming up in the future?

14:23:58 <deiu> Arnaud: agreed

Arnaud Le Hors: agreed

14:24:23 <deiu> Ashok: can the client find the type of ordering set by the server?

Ashok Malhotra: can the client find the type of ordering set by the server?

14:24:40 <deiu> Arnaud: yes, for containers -- you cannot set the ordering but you can get it

Arnaud Le Hors: yes, for containers -- you cannot set the ordering but you can get it

14:25:26 <deiu> ...we should still take an action to add a note though

...we should still take an action to add a note though

14:25:43 <deiu> ...could you please do that, SteveS?

...could you please do that, SteveS?

14:25:49 <deiu> SteveS: yes, I'll do it

Steve Speicher: yes, I'll do it

14:25:54 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

14:25:58 <Arnaud> ack Ashok

Arnaud Le Hors: ack Ashok

14:26:07 <deiu> Ashok: one more question: Steve, you're going to add filtering too, right?

Ashok Malhotra: one more question: Steve, you're going to add filtering too, right?

14:26:31 <deiu> SteveS: yes, that's correct, and the filtering part could go into the LDP spec, and the sorting can go into paging

Steve Speicher: yes, that's correct, and the filtering part could go into the LDP spec, and the sorting can go into paging

14:26:39 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

14:26:39 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted

14:26:58 <deiu> ...is TallTed's point a general one or was it just for the paging spec?

...is TallTed's point a general one or was it just for the paging spec?

14:27:12 <deiu> SteveS: we can put it into the non-normative intro for containers

Steve Speicher: we can put it into the non-normative intro for containers

14:27:16 <deiu> [everyone agrees]

[everyone agrees]

14:27:17 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

14:27:17 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

14:27:27 <deiu> Arnaud: shall we talk 2NN now or ld-patch?

Arnaud Le Hors: shall we talk 2NN now or ld-patch?

14:27:41 <deiu> ericP: I can be quick about 2nn

Eric Prud'hommeaux: I can be quick about 2nn

<deiu> topic: 2NN

4. 2NN

14:28:27 <deiu> ericP: the gatekeepers for http-2 are Roy Fielding and Mark N.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: the gatekeepers for http-2 are Roy Fielding and Mark N.

14:29:01 <deiu> ...for them is perfectly fine re. fragment ids (@@ was that right?)

...for them is perfectly fine re. fragment ids (@@ was that right?)

14:29:26 <deiu> ...they said they for paging we should be using Range (byte or anything else on the planet -- i.e. unicode)

...they said they for paging we should be using Range (byte or anything else on the planet -- i.e. unicode)

14:29:45 <deiu> ...we can invent a scheme with an ETag and a range

...we can invent a scheme with an ETag and a range

14:30:07 <deiu> ...the effect is that we keep doing GETs with different ranges and we don't have to change the URL

...the effect is that we keep doing GETs with different ranges and we don't have to change the URL

14:30:33 <deiu> ...we asked about a question re. what is metadata applied to, but didn't really get a reply yet

...we asked about a question re. what is metadata applied to, but didn't really get a reply yet

14:30:55 <deiu> sandro: I started a new thread about range, maybe you've missed it?

Sandro Hawke: I started a new thread about range, maybe you've missed it?

14:31:18 <deiu> ...after our last meeting on the 15th, I sent an email

...after our last meeting on the 15th, I sent an email

14:31:28 <deiu> ...most people have refuted the reasons I gave

...most people have refuted the reasons I gave

14:31:54 <deiu> ...we may have to create some 4xx codes

...we may have to create some 4xx codes

14:32:25 <deiu> ...we don't know how to do safe changes with range and I don't think anyone had any refutations about it

...we don't know how to do safe changes with range and I don't think anyone had any refutations about it

14:33:02 <deiu> ...you delete an item and you say there is no "triple 7" anymore and you don't shift things back

...you delete an item and you say there is no "triple 7" anymore and you don't shift things back

14:33:06 <deiu> ...you keep adding

...you keep adding

14:33:20 <deiu> ...with insert you don't really lose data, you get duplicates

...with insert you don't really lose data, you get duplicates

14:33:44 <deiu> ...third item was that our systems don't do integer retrieval -- no refutations there

...third item was that our systems don't do integer retrieval -- no refutations there

14:34:27 <deiu> ...also, the Web infrastructure support non-byte ranges -- caching will probably not produce errors

...also, the Web infrastructure support non-byte ranges -- caching will probably not produce errors

14:35:02 <deiu> sandro: defining a new range unit requires the same process: write an RFC and start a WG

Sandro Hawke: defining a new range unit requires the same process: write an RFC and start a WG

14:35:12 <deiu> Arnaud: so what's the conclusion?

Arnaud Le Hors: so what's the conclusion?

14:35:35 <deiu> sandro: my emotional answer is "I'm done with this"

Sandro Hawke: my emotional answer is "I'm done with this"

14:36:39 <deiu> Arnaud: we can just mark it as a feature as risk for now and just leave the redirect there

Arnaud Le Hors: we can just mark it as a feature as risk for now and just leave the redirect there

14:37:01 <deiu> ericP: ok, so maybe 2nn is not for paging but people might still want 2nn

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ok, so maybe 2nn is not for paging but people might still want 2nn

14:37:10 <betehess> +1 to not tying 2NN to Paging

Alexandre Bertails: +1 to not tying 2NN to Paging

14:37:25 <deiu> ... so the text has to change from paging use-cases to non-IR use-cases

... so the text has to change from paging use-cases to non-IR use-cases

14:37:47 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

14:38:06 <deiu> sandro: we just need to bring in fresh blood who gets to argue about it outside our use-cases

Sandro Hawke: we just need to bring in fresh blood who gets to argue about it outside our use-cases

14:38:37 <deiu> ericP: so the use-cases are going to be around non-IRs so it's possible that the best way to make that happen is through civil disobedience

Eric Prud'hommeaux: so the use-cases are going to be around non-IRs so it's possible that the best way to make that happen is through civil disobedience

14:39:00 <deiu> ...here's a little spec that tells you how to do it, so go argue with these guys (IETF I assume?)

...here's a little spec that tells you how to do it, so go argue with these guys (IETF I assume?)

14:39:10 <deiu> Arnaud: I could see Tim doing that

Arnaud Le Hors: I could see Tim doing that

14:40:11 <deiu> sandro: Roy's email also said that people will probably go ahead and still implement 2nn, which doesn't sound like a formal objection

Sandro Hawke: Roy's email also said that people will probably go ahead and still implement 2nn, which doesn't sound like a formal objection

14:40:27 <deiu> Arnaud: wasn't there another use-case about packaging?

Arnaud Le Hors: wasn't there another use-case about packaging?

14:40:53 <deiu> ericP: yes, you get some Web app and when you get f00, you get back f00 + a bunch of other resources

Eric Prud'hommeaux: yes, you get some Web app and when you get f00, you get back f00 + a bunch of other resources

14:41:16 <deiu> ...the right answer to that is probably SPDY

...the right answer to that is probably SPDY

14:41:34 <deiu> sandro: we've waited 25 years already, we can wait a bit more

Sandro Hawke: we've waited 25 years already, we can wait a bit more

14:41:59 <deiu> ericP: what's the best interim solution? 2nn which may break caching or something else?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: what's the best interim solution? 2nn which may break caching or something else?

14:42:17 <deiu> Arnaud: I would not suggest we do it anyway, we marked it as "as risk"

Arnaud Le Hors: I would not suggest we do it anyway, we marked it as "at risk"

14:42:24 <deiu> s/as risk/at risk
14:43:21 <deiu> sandro: I don't understand how IETF gets consensus because they don't have meetings in that WG, it seems the decision belongs to whoever gets the last say on the mailing list

Sandro Hawke: I don't understand how IETF gets consensus because they don't have meetings in that WG, it seems the decision belongs to whoever gets the last say on the mailing list

14:43:45 <deiu> ericP: the answer is that there is no answer

Eric Prud'hommeaux: the answer is that there is no answer

14:44:03 <deiu> sandro: I suggest you talk to Mark and ask him to give us the code and see how it works

Sandro Hawke: I suggest you talk to Mark and ask him to give us the code and see how it works

14:44:21 <deiu> ericP: I suspect sandro has a bit more authority to reply to that thread

Eric Prud'hommeaux: I suspect sandro has a bit more authority to reply to that thread

14:44:23 <deiu> sandro: ok

Sandro Hawke: ok

14:45:15 <deiu> Arnaud: ok, let's move on

Arnaud Le Hors: ok, let's move on

<deiu> topic: LD Patch

5. LD Patch

14:45:54 <deiu> Arnaud: I added to links to the agenda

Arnaud Le Hors: I added to links to the agenda

14:46:07 <deiu> ...we're getting some reaction

...we're getting some reaction

14:46:21 <deiu> ...people are sending suggestions on how to do it

...people are sending suggestions on how to do it

14:46:35 <deiu> ...what do we need to talk about, betehess?

...what do we need to talk about, betehess?

14:46:50 <deiu> betehess: I don't think it's worth speaking about Kingsley's email

Alexandre Bertails: I don't think it's worth speaking about Kingsley's email

14:47:10 <deiu> ...the email from David Booth was expected, since we've been discussing that issue in the group

...the email from David Booth was expected, since we've been discussing that issue in the group

14:47:12 <betehess> http://bertails.org/2014/09/20/why-ldpatch

Alexandre Bertails: http://bertails.org/2014/09/20/why-ldpatch

14:47:16 <deiu> ...I wrote an article about that

...I wrote an article about that

14:47:25 <deiu> ...for me it all boils down to the list of requirements

...for me it all boils down to the list of requirements

14:47:28 <betehess> http://bertails.org/2014/09/20/why-ldpatch#requirements

Alexandre Bertails: http://bertails.org/2014/09/20/why-ldpatch#requirements

14:48:01 <deiu> ...I agree that if the group or someone else can make the point that the requirements are not valid, we can stop the work on ld-paging

...I agree that if the group or someone else can make the point that the requirements are not valid, we can stop the work on ld-patch

14:48:17 <bblfish> s/ld-paging/ld-patch/
14:49:05 <deiu> Arnaud: David doesn't really add something that makes a difference at this point, we've been talking about SPARQL

Arnaud Le Hors: David doesn't really add something that makes a difference at this point, we've been talking about SPARQL

14:49:47 <bblfish> q?

Henry Story: q?

14:50:06 <deiu> Arnaud: Henry is not here?

Arnaud Le Hors: Henry is not here?

14:50:23 <deiu> bblfish: I've been wondering about another way of doing things -- standardizing bnodes

Henry Story: I've been wondering about another way of doing things -- standardizing bnodes

14:50:43 <deiu> ...we know that patching triples is simple if we have persistent bnodes

...we know that patching triples is simple if we have persistent bnodes

14:50:56 <deiu> ...I don't get the skolemization in RDF 1.1

...I don't get the skolemization in RDF 1.1

14:51:28 <deiu> ...I just sent a few mails out asking what the limitations are, since I believe it hasn't been explored enough

...I just sent a few mails out asking what the limitations are, since I believe it hasn't been explored enough

14:51:30 <betehess> do we want to go again through the skolemization discussion today?

Alexandre Bertails: do we want to go again through the skolemization discussion today?

14:52:03 <deiu> betehess: we've discussed skolemization several times and we agreed (as a group) that we won't go that way

Alexandre Bertails: we've discussed skolemization several times and we agreed (as a group) that we won't go that way

14:52:46 <deiu> bblfish: I don't think skolemization is such a big problem (in terms of complexity)

Henry Story: I don't think skolemization is such a big problem (in terms of complexity)

14:53:09 <deiu> sandro: that only works if the graph is exactly the same, and some of our use-cases involve graphs that have changed

Sandro Hawke: that only works if the graph is exactly the same, and some of our use-cases involve graphs that have changed

14:53:51 <deiu> bblfish: imagine you have a patch with a WHERE clause that identifies a path to a bnode

Henry Story: imagine you have a patch with a WHERE clause that identifies a path to a bnode

14:54:50 <deiu> ...[not making too much sense]

...[not making too much sense]

14:55:57 <deiu> Arnaud: to sum it up, bblfish has this idea about skolemization and we also got the comments from David Booth

Arnaud Le Hors: to sum it up, bblfish has this idea about skolemization and we also got the comments from David Booth

14:56:22 <deiu> ...and then we got betehess who reminds us that most of those comments have already been discussed in the group

...and then we got betehess who reminds us that most of those comments have already been discussed in the group

14:57:19 <deiu> Ashok: do we actually have to specify that you have to use ld-patch? what if you want to use a SPARQL Update subset?

Ashok Malhotra: do we actually have to specify that you have to use ld-patch? what if you want to use a SPARQL Update subset?

14:57:32 <deiu> Arnaud: indeed, we don't say anything about it

Arnaud Le Hors: indeed, we don't say anything about it

14:57:49 <deiu> ...conneg allows you to specify different formats

...conneg allows you to specify different formats

14:58:27 <deiu> ...in the current spec there are no MUSTs associated to a specific format, and it doesn't stop anyone from using other formats

...in the current spec there are no MUSTs associated to a specific format, and it doesn't stop anyone from using other formats

14:58:28 <Zakim> -SteveS

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS

14:58:54 <deiu> Arnaud: we're about done with today's call; I encourage people to keep answering comments on the list

Arnaud Le Hors: we're about done with today's call; I encourage people to keep answering comments on the list

14:59:11 <deiu> ...anything else?

...anything else?

14:59:27 <deiu> ...some good news: we published the piece on ACL

...some good news: we published the piece on ACL

14:59:39 <deiu> ...and also, all our documents have now been published! yey

...and also, all our documents have now been published! yey

14:59:42 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra

14:59:43 <Zakim> -nmihindu

Zakim IRC Bot: -nmihindu

14:59:45 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller]

14:59:47 <Zakim> -Alexandre

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alexandre

14:59:47 <azaroth> Thanks! :)

Robert Sanderson: Thanks! :)

14:59:48 <deiu> [meeting adjourned]

[meeting adjourned]

14:59:50 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

14:59:52 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP

14:59:54 <Zakim> -TallTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed

14:59:55 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud

14:59:57 <Zakim> -deiu

Zakim IRC Bot: -deiu

15:00:03 <Zakim> -azaroth

Zakim IRC Bot: -azaroth

15:00:04 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

15:00:04 <Zakim> Attendees were Sandro, ericP, azaroth, Arnaud, deiu, SteveS, +1.617.838.aaaa, Alexandre, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, [IPcaller], nmihindu

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Sandro, ericP, azaroth, Arnaud, deiu, SteveS, +1.617.838.aaaa, Alexandre, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, [IPcaller], nmihindu

<deiu> Present: Sandro, ericP, azaroth, Arnaud, deiu, SteveS, Alexandre, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, bblfish, nmihindu


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