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13:58:11 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
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13:58:11 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started
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13:58:12 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:58:12 <trackbot> Date: 08 September 2014
13:58:51 <Zakim> +deiu
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13:59:05 <azaroth> zakim, who is here
Robert Sanderson: zakim, who is here ←
13:59:05 <Zakim> azaroth, you need to end that query with '?'
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13:59:09 <azaroth> zakim, who is here?
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13:59:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see azaroth, deiu
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13:59:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, codyburleson, azaroth, pchampin, bblfish, betehess, TallTed, SteveS, deiu, Arnaud, tommorris, sandro, Yves, ericP, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, codyburleson, azaroth, pchampin, bblfish, betehess, TallTed, SteveS, deiu, Arnaud, tommorris, sandro, Yves, ericP, trackbot ←
13:59:21 <betehess> Zakim, code?
Alexandre Bertails: Zakim, code? ←
13:59:21 <Zakim> the conference code is 53794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), betehess
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13:59:25 <Zakim> +Arnaud
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13:59:45 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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13:59:55 <codyburleson> Zakim, IPcaller is me.
Cody Burleson: Zakim, IPcaller is me. ←
13:59:56 <Zakim> +codyburleson; got it
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14:00:35 <Zakim> +[IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←
14:00:35 <SteveS> Zakim, [IBM] is me
Steve Speicher: Zakim, [IBM] is me ←
14:00:36 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
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14:00:49 <Zakim> +Alexandre
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14:01:46 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
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14:02:07 <Zakim> +JohnArwe
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14:02:08 <sergio> hi
Sergio Fernández: hi ←
14:02:09 <deiu> brb
Andrei Sambra: brb ←
14:03:14 <Zakim> +??P0
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14:03:17 <Zakim> -??P0
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14:03:18 <Zakim> +??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←
14:03:29 <Zakim> +Roger
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14:04:15 <deiu> Type 41# on your phone
Andrei Sambra: Type 41# on your phone ←
14:04:41 <sergio> that was me
Sergio Fernández: that was me ←
14:04:50 <deiu> q-
Andrei Sambra: q- ←
14:04:53 <roger> great !
Roger Menday: great ! ←
14:04:56 <deiu> q- pchampin
Andrei Sambra: q- pchampin ←
14:05:01 <Zakim> + +33.9.52.33.aaaa
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14:05:01 <deiu> q- Roger
Andrei Sambra: q- Roger ←
14:05:14 <bblfish> zakim, aaaa is me
Henry Story: zakim, aaaa is me ←
14:05:15 <Zakim> +bblfish; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish; got it ←
14:05:24 <Zakim> -pchampin
Zakim IRC Bot: -pchampin ←
14:05:26 <JohnArwe> zakim, roger is actually sergio
John Arwe: zakim, roger is actually sergio ←
14:05:26 <Zakim> I don't understand 'roger is actually sergio', JohnArwe
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'roger is actually sergio', JohnArwe ←
14:05:33 <JohnArwe> oh well worth a stab
John Arwe: oh well worth a stab ←
14:05:40 <JohnArwe> zakim, roger is sergio
John Arwe: zakim, roger is sergio ←
14:05:40 <Zakim> +sergio; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +sergio; got it ←
14:05:45 <Zakim> +??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←
14:05:54 <sergio> Zakim: +??P3 is me
14:06:00 <sergio> Zakim: ??P3 is me
14:06:23 <JohnArwe> zakim, sergio is roger
John Arwe: zakim, sergio is roger ←
14:06:23 <Zakim> +roger; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +roger; got it ←
14:06:37 <Zakim> +[OpenLink]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[OpenLink] ←
14:06:38 <JohnArwe> zakim, pchampin is sergio
John Arwe: zakim, pchampin is sergio ←
14:06:38 <Zakim> sorry, JohnArwe, I do not recognize a party named 'pchampin'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, JohnArwe, I do not recognize a party named 'pchampin' ←
14:06:41 <Zakim> +??P19
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19 ←
14:06:51 <TallTed> Zakim, [OpenLink] is OpenLink_Software
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, [OpenLink] is OpenLink_Software ←
14:06:53 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software; got it
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14:06:57 <sergio> Zakim: +??P3 is me
14:06:58 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
14:06:58 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +TallTed; got it ←
14:07:00 <JohnArwe> zakim, who's on the phone
John Arwe: zakim, who's on the phone ←
14:07:00 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's on the phone', JohnArwe
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14:07:01 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
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14:07:02 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
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14:07:15 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone? ←
14:07:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see azaroth, deiu (muted), Arnaud, codyburleson, SteveS, Alexandre, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, roger, bblfish, ??P3, TallTed (muted), pchampin
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see azaroth, deiu (muted), Arnaud, codyburleson, SteveS, Alexandre, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, roger, bblfish, ??P3, TallTed (muted), pchampin ←
14:07:41 <Arnaud> q=
Arnaud Le Hors: q= ←
14:07:44 <sergio> Zakim, ??P3 is me
Sergio Fernández: Zakim, ??P3 is me ←
14:07:44 <Zakim> +sergio; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +sergio; got it ←
14:07:49 <Arnaud> queue=
Arnaud Le Hors: queue= ←
14:07:59 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone? ←
14:07:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see azaroth, deiu (muted), Arnaud, codyburleson, SteveS, Alexandre, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, roger, bblfish, sergio, TallTed (muted), pchampin
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see azaroth, deiu (muted), Arnaud, codyburleson, SteveS, Alexandre, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, roger, bblfish, sergio, TallTed (muted), pchampin ←
14:09:23 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
<sergio> scribe: sergio
(Scribe set to Sergio Fernández)
<sergio> chair: Arnaud
<sergio> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.09.08
14:09:50 <sergio> topic: Admin
14:11:07 <sergio> RESOLVED: Approve the minutes of last call, 25 August 2014
RESOLVED: Approve the minutes of last call, 25 August 2014 ←
<sergio> Arnaud: next meeting on 15 September 2014
Arnaud Le Hors: next meeting on 15 September 2014 ←
<sergio> ... nothing new on Actions and Issues
... nothing new on Actions and Issues ←
14:11:19 <sergio> topic: LDP specification
<sergio> subtopic: Implementations of IndirectContainer
14:10:09 <SteveS> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/tests/reports/ldp.html
Steve Speicher: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/tests/reports/ldp.html ←
14:12:03 <sergio> Arnaud: reports about the current discussion about indirect containers
Arnaud Le Hors: reports about the current discussion about indirect containers ←
14:12:12 <TallTed> q+
Ted Thibodeau: q+ ←
14:12:19 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:12:19 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted ←
14:12:26 <sergio> bblfish: reports the last progress on banana-rdf about implementing ldp in scala
Henry Story: reports the last progress on banana-rdf about implementing ldp in scala ←
14:12:27 <bblfish> https://github.com/w3c/banana-rdf/commits/master
Henry Story: https://github.com/w3c/banana-rdf/commits/master ←
14:12:32 <azaroth> betehess: Rob Sanderson, Stanford University, co-chair of Web Annotation Working Group (can intro in voice if useful)
Alexandre Bertails: Rob Sanderson, Stanford University, co-chair of Web Annotation Working Group (can intro in voice if useful) [ Scribe Assist by Robert Sanderson ] ←
14:12:33 <sergio> bblfish: a lot of commits by Alexandre
Henry Story: a lot of commits by me, as Alexandre can attest ←
14:12:48 <sergio> bblfish: I'm on track to get that done
Henry Story: I'm on track to get that done ←
14:12:59 <sergio> bblfish: hard to estimate
Henry Story: hard to estimate ←
14:13:02 <betehess> s/by Alexandre/by me, as Alexandre can attest/
14:13:04 <sandro> very very funny
Sandro Hawke: very very funny ←
14:13:24 <sergio> Arnaud: the bottom line, you do not have yet an implementation of ldp:IndirectContainer
Arnaud Le Hors: the bottom line, you do not have yet an implementation of ldp:IndirectContainer ←
14:14:03 <sergio> bblfish: I have less resources to promise that I'll achieve that in a short time
Henry Story: I have less resources to promise that I'll achieve that in a short time ←
14:14:35 <SteveS> Is there anyone else that has an IndirectContainer impl in the works?
Steve Speicher: Is there anyone else that has an IndirectContainer impl in the works? ←
14:14:35 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
14:14:42 <sandro> q+ on IndirectContainer
Sandro Hawke: q+ on IndirectContainer ←
14:14:49 <Arnaud> ack TallTed
Arnaud Le Hors: ack TallTed ←
14:15:34 <sergio> TallTed: there are some things in the spec that look not be necessary for a generic server
Ted Thibodeau: there are some things in the spec that look not be necessary for a generic server ←
14:15:40 <sergio> Arnaud: concrete examples?
Arnaud Le Hors: concrete examples? ←
14:16:18 <Arnaud> ack sandro
Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro ←
14:16:18 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to comment on IndirectContainer
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to comment on IndirectContainer ←
14:17:01 <SteveS> 4.3.2.1 LDP servers must provide a text/turtle representation of the requested LDP-RS whenever HTTP content negotiation does not force another outcome [turtle].
Steve Speicher: 4.3.2.1 LDP servers must provide a text/turtle representation of the requested LDP-RS whenever HTTP content negotiation does not force another outcome [turtle]. ←
14:17:10 <sergio> TallTed: for instance Turtle is the preferred format
Ted Thibodeau: for instance Turtle is the preferred format ←
14:18:20 <azaroth> q+
Robert Sanderson: q+ ←
14:18:25 <sergio> Arnaud: the goals to force "at least" to have turtle
Arnaud Le Hors: the goals to force "at least" to have turtle ←
14:19:02 <sergio> sandro: I'd not change that now
Sandro Hawke: I'd not change that now ←
14:19:27 <Arnaud> ack azaroth
Arnaud Le Hors: ack azaroth ←
14:19:39 <sergio> Arnaud: welcome, Rob Sanderson
Arnaud Le Hors: welcome, Rob Sanderson ←
14:19:47 <sergio> welcome, Rob Sanderson!
welcome, Rob Sanderson! ←
14:21:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:21:19 <bblfish> zakim, IPcaller is me
Henry Story: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
14:21:19 <Zakim> +bblfish; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish; got it ←
14:21:43 <SteveS> So we only have 3 Indirect Container impls in the works? Carbon LDP (results reported), bblfish and azaroth; right?
Steve Speicher: So we only have 3 Indirect Container impls in the works? Carbon LDP (results reported), bblfish and azaroth; right? ←
14:21:49 <sergio> Arnaud: from a implementation point of view, we are missing a implementation of ldp:IndirectContainer
Arnaud Le Hors: from a implementation point of view, we are missing a implementation of ldp:IndirectContainer ←
14:23:10 <sergio> Arnaud: what way are we going to take which does not delay the publication so much
Arnaud Le Hors: what way are we going to take which does not delay the publication so much ←
14:23:15 <MiguelAraCo> q+
Miguel Aragón: q+ ←
14:23:28 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:23:57 <deiu> +1 Sandro
Andrei Sambra: +1 Sandro ←
14:24:44 <sergio> Arnaud: we go to last call putting ldp:IndirectContainer at risk
Arnaud Le Hors: we go to last call putting ldp:IndirectContainer at risk ←
14:24:47 <Arnaud> ack MiguelAraCo
Arnaud Le Hors: ack MiguelAraCo ←
14:24:51 <azaroth> +1 to Sandro
Robert Sanderson: +1 to Sandro ←
14:25:37 <betehess> +.9 (it's an easy way to move forward but I can't allow myself to give a +1 on something related to Indirect Containers :-)
Alexandre Bertails: +.9 (it's an easy way to move forward but I can't allow myself to give a +1 on something related to Indirect Containers :-) ←
14:26:17 <sergio> Arnaud: then we might change some of the remaining issues
Arnaud Le Hors: then we might change some of the remaining issues ←
14:26:19 <sergio> +1
+1 ←
14:26:55 <JohnArwe> wrt Arnaud's earlier comment "ask the editors", doing at-risk instead of a new separate document is FAR less work
John Arwe: wrt Arnaud's earlier comment "ask the editors", doing at-risk instead of a new separate document is FAR less work ←
14:27:06 <azaroth> deiu: Only for the first day, but yes I was there :)
Andrei Sambra: Only for the first day, but yes I was there :) [ Scribe Assist by Robert Sanderson ] ←
14:27:22 <azaroth> q+ to discuss 4.2.16
Robert Sanderson: q+ to discuss 4.2.16 ←
14:27:31 <sergio> subTopic: John's email - Link header anchor
14:27:32 <sergio> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2014Sep/0003.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2014Sep/0003.html ←
14:27:58 <Arnaud> ack azaroth
Arnaud Le Hors: ack azaroth ←
14:27:58 <Zakim> azaroth, you wanted to discuss 4.2.16
Zakim IRC Bot: azaroth, you wanted to discuss 4.2.16 ←
14:27:59 <sergio> Arnaud: anchor might be required in the Link header
Arnaud Le Hors: anchor might be required in the Link header ←
14:28:37 <SteveS> wrt Arnaud’s earlier comment “ask the editors”, doing at-risk is much less work for test suite as well
Steve Speicher: wrt Arnaud’s earlier comment “ask the editors”, doing at-risk is much less work for test suite as well ←
14:29:42 <Arnaud> PROPOSAL: Clarify that the context URI for the Link header is *not* the default, so anchor= is required.
PROPOSED: Clarify that the context URI for the Link header is *not* the default, so anchor= is required. ←
14:29:50 <azaroth> +1 that it's an issue ; +1 to the fix to require anchor
Robert Sanderson: +1 that it's an issue ; +1 to the fix to require anchor ←
14:29:54 <JohnArwe> i.e. is it true that our intent (expressed as a
John Arwe: i.e. is it true that our intent (expressed as a ←
14:29:54 <JohnArwe> pseudo-RDF-triple) was
John Arwe: pseudo-RDF-triple) was ←
14:29:54 <JohnArwe> newly-created-LDP-NR describedby newly-created-LDP-RS
John Arwe: newly-created-LDP-NR describedby newly-created-LDP-RS ←
14:30:05 <JohnArwe> +1
14:30:05 <sergio> Arnaud: do people agree on the premise that the context URI for the Link header is *not* the default, so anchor= is required.
Arnaud Le Hors: do people agree on the premise that the context URI for the Link header is *not* the default, so anchor= is required. ←
14:30:22 <SteveS> +1, clarity is good
Steve Speicher: +1, clarity is good ←
14:30:24 <deiu> +0 (haven't really looked into it)
Andrei Sambra: +0 (haven't really looked into it) ←
14:30:32 <sergio> +0 (not checked)
+0 (not checked) ←
14:30:39 <betehess> +0
Alexandre Bertails: +0 ←
14:30:39 <codyburleson> +0 (don't know what we're talking about)
Cody Burleson: +0 (don't know what we're talking about) ←
14:31:11 <TallTed> ±0 (definitely don't understand the question as here...)
Ted Thibodeau: ±0 (definitely don't understand the question as here...) ←
14:31:32 <JohnArwe> On Link headers, the default context URI ("RDF triple subject") is the effective request URI; in the case in question, the request was a POST (to create a LDP-NR), so the effective request URI is the POST URI ... LDPC.
John Arwe: On Link headers, the default context URI ("RDF triple subject") is the effective request URI; in the case in question, the request was a POST (to create a LDP-NR), so the effective request URI is the POST URI ... LDPC. ←
14:31:37 <sergio> Arnaud: can you please JohnArwe explain it
Arnaud Le Hors: can you please JohnArwe explain it ←
14:31:54 <JohnArwe> ...not the newly created LDP-NR whose URL is in the response 201 Location header
John Arwe: ...not the newly created LDP-NR whose URL is in the response 201 Location header ←
14:33:28 <codyburleson> So the anchor will point to the NR?
Cody Burleson: So the anchor will point to the NR? ←
14:33:45 <deiu> This gets even worse when you add the ACL header
Andrei Sambra: This gets even worse when you add the ACL header ←
14:34:22 <azaroth> q+
Robert Sanderson: q+ ←
14:34:32 <JohnArwe> cody: Link w/o anchor would say: "LDPC describedby newly-created-LDP-RS ...that's associated with the newly described LDP-NR according to the spec"
Cody Burleson: Link w/o anchor would say: "LDPC describedby newly-created-LDP-RS ...that's associated with the newly described LDP-NR according to the spec" [ Scribe Assist by John Arwe ] ←
14:34:36 <sergio> Arnaud: there is not change related, just needs to get clarified to get people right
Arnaud Le Hors: there is not change related, just needs to get clarified to get people right ←
14:34:42 <Arnaud> ack azaroth
Arnaud Le Hors: ack azaroth ←
14:35:43 <betehess> well, +1 now
Alexandre Bertails: well, +1 now ←
14:35:45 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
14:35:48 <deiu> +1
Andrei Sambra: +1 ←
14:35:51 <azaroth> +1
Robert Sanderson: +1 ←
14:36:00 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Clarify that the context URI for the Link header is *not* the default, so anchor= is required.
RESOLVED: Clarify that the context URI for the Link header is *not* the default, so anchor= is required. ←
14:36:30 <sergio> subtopic: Sergio's email - conflict with describedby
14:38:00 <deiu> sergio: so in other words, you need to have a rel=meta for the NR triples and rel=describedby for constraints?
Sergio Fernández: so in other words, you need to have a rel=meta for the NR triples and rel=describedby for constraints? [ Scribe Assist by Andrei Sambra ] ←
14:38:38 <sergio> deiu: exacly
Andrei Sambra: exacly ←
14:38:40 <sergio> deiu: exactly
Andrei Sambra: exactly ←
14:38:58 <deiu> sergio: I'm using rel=meta for NR triples in my implems :)
Sergio Fernández: I'm using rel=meta for NR triples in my implems :) [ Scribe Assist by Andrei Sambra ] ←
14:39:14 <azaroth> q+
Robert Sanderson: q+ ←
14:39:18 <JohnArwe> the client has to understand the resource at the target URI to distinguish between these two cases.
John Arwe: the client has to understand the resource at the target URI to distinguish between these two cases. ←
14:41:07 <Arnaud> ack azaroth
Arnaud Le Hors: ack azaroth ←
14:42:17 <SteveS> FYI, rel=“meta” is not a registered link relation http://www.iana.org/assignments/link-relations/link-relations.xhtml
Steve Speicher: FYI, rel=“meta” is not a registered link relation http://www.iana.org/assignments/link-relations/link-relations.xhtml ←
14:42:46 <sergio> azaroth: a solution is to switch to constraints
Robert Sanderson: a solution is to switch to constraints ←
14:42:51 <sergio> sandro: it is not registered
Sandro Hawke: it is not registered ←
14:42:51 <JohnArwe> the general argument was that you cannot prevent the client from seeing such conflicts, because no matter what link relation you use, another spec could also use it in a different way (that's still w/in the semantics of the registration).
John Arwe: the general argument was that you cannot prevent the client from seeing such conflicts, because no matter what link relation you use, another spec could also use it in a different way (that's still w/in the semantics of the registration). ←
14:43:29 <JohnArwe> ... as I said, we could take the position that while we cannot prevent the general problem, we could at least not create it "intentionally" within a single spec.
John Arwe: ... as I said, we could take the position that while we cannot prevent the general problem, we could at least not create it "intentionally" within a single spec. ←
14:45:37 <sergio> and what about rel='alternate'
and what about rel='alternate' ←
14:45:39 <sergio> ?
? ←
14:46:05 <JohnArwe> ...read the registration.
John Arwe: ...read the registration. ←
14:46:06 <bblfish> mind you last time the debate was not about profile vs meta but profile vs type
Henry Story: mind you last time the debate was not about profile vs meta but profile vs type ←
14:46:20 <sergio> Arnaud: do we need that we need to change? can we make a decision to leave it to the editor to find the best solution?
Arnaud Le Hors: do we need that we need to change? can we make a decision to leave it to the editor to find the best solution? ←
14:46:53 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:47:05 <azaroth> +1 on the issue; +1 to keeping describedBy for non-RDF
Robert Sanderson: +1 on the issue; +1 to keeping describedBy for non-RDF ←
14:47:09 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
14:47:21 <sergio> Arnaud: we should keep describedby for the associated resource, and find a new one for the constraints
Arnaud Le Hors: we should keep describedby for the associated resource, and find a new one for the constraints ←
14:48:04 <Arnaud> PROPOSAL: change rel=describedby to rel=<someldpuri> for the LINK header in section 4.2.1.6
PROPOSED: change rel=describedby to rel=<someldpuri> for the LINK header in section 4.2.1.6 ←
14:48:12 <bblfish> ok
Henry Story: ok ←
14:48:16 <sergio> +1
+1 ←
14:48:26 <betehess> someldpuri?
Alexandre Bertails: someldpuri? ←
14:48:32 <deiu> +.9 (would much rather see rel=meta registered)
Andrei Sambra: +.9 (would much rather see rel=meta registered) ←
14:48:50 <JohnArwe> +1
14:49:01 <sergio> (even if rel=meta would be good too)
(even if rel=meta would be good too) ←
14:49:09 <bblfish> +0 can't really vote here as I did not understand the issue
Henry Story: +0 can't really vote here as I did not understand the issue ←
14:49:13 <TallTed> +0.5
Ted Thibodeau: +0.5 ←
14:49:15 <roger> +0
Roger Menday: +0 ←
14:49:18 <betehess> +0
Alexandre Bertails: +0 ←
14:49:20 <codyburleson> +0
Cody Burleson: +0 ←
14:49:28 <SteveS> +.5 , see that we could leave as-is and just say need to use out-of-spec knowledge
Steve Speicher: +.5 , see that we could leave as-is and just say need to use out-of-spec knowledge ←
14:49:28 <azaroth> +1
Robert Sanderson: +1 ←
14:49:40 <sergio> RESOLVED: Change rel=describedby to rel=<some_LDP_URI> for the LINK header in section 4.2.1.6
RESOLVED: Change rel=describedby to rel=<some_LDP_URI> for the LINK header in section 4.2.1.6 ←
14:49:46 <sandro> agenda+ 2NN
Sandro Hawke: agenda+ 2NN ←
14:50:27 <sergio> Arnaud: then it looks that we have to go to last call
Arnaud Le Hors: then it looks that we have to go to last call ←
<sergio> subtopic: Turtle Requirement
14:50:30 <Arnaud> PROPOSAL: change MUST on Turtle to SHOULD
PROPOSED: change MUST on Turtle to SHOULD ←
14:50:34 <codyburleson> +1
Cody Burleson: +1 ←
14:50:35 <azaroth> +1
Robert Sanderson: +1 ←
14:50:47 <MiguelAraCo> +1
Miguel Aragón: +1 ←
14:50:52 <betehess> +1
Alexandre Bertails: +1 ←
14:51:00 <JohnArwe> +1 to SHOULD turtle when Accept is ABSENT on the request
John Arwe: +1 to SHOULD turtle when Accept is ABSENT on the request ←
14:51:04 <deiu> +1 (title is a bit vague btw)
Andrei Sambra: +1 (title is a bit vague btw) ←
14:51:16 <sergio> +0 (better wording, something like "turtle MUST be at least supported")
+0 (better wording, something like "turtle MUST be at least supported") ←
14:51:18 <SteveS> +0, and MUST support turtle
Steve Speicher: +0, and MUST support turtle ←
14:51:34 <sandro> PROPOSAL: When the client does not provide an Accept Header, remove the bit about the server MUST send Turtle
PROPOSED: When the client does not provide an Accept Header, remove the bit about the server MUST send Turtle ←
14:51:45 <azaroth> +1 to John
Robert Sanderson: +1 to John ←
14:51:55 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Change MUST on Turtle to SHOULD when Accept is ABSENT on the request
RESOLVED: Change MUST on Turtle to SHOULD when Accept is ABSENT on the request ←
14:52:04 <sandro> I'm dubious about the SHOULD, given Ted's use case
Sandro Hawke: I'm dubious about the SHOULD, given Ted's use case ←
14:52:21 <sandro> TURTLE is still MUST when requested
Sandro Hawke: TURTLE is still MUST when requested ←
14:52:24 <pchampin> +1 to the resolved version :)
Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1 to the resolved version :) ←
14:52:30 <TallTed> +1 JohnArwe's wording context: http://www.w3.org/TR/ldp/#ldprs-get-turtle
Ted Thibodeau: +1 JohnArwe's wording context: http://www.w3.org/TR/ldp/#ldprs-get-turtle ←
14:52:59 <betehess> +.9
Alexandre Bertails: +.9 ←
14:53:06 <betehess> +0.9
Alexandre Bertails: +0.9 ←
14:53:15 <deiu> +.9
Andrei Sambra: +.9 ←
14:53:16 <bblfish> +1
Henry Story: +1 ←
<sergio> subtopic: Last Call publication
14:53:30 <Arnaud> PROPOSAL: Republish LDP as LC with 3 week period, and IndirectContainer as a feature at RISK
PROPOSED: Republish LDP as LC with 3 week period, and IndirectContainer as a feature at RISK ←
14:53:40 <sergio> +1
+1 ←
14:53:44 <betehess> +1
Alexandre Bertails: +1 ←
14:53:50 <bblfish> what about marking Direct Container at risk?
Henry Story: what about marking Direct Container at risk? ←
14:54:00 <MiguelAraCo> +1
Miguel Aragón: +1 ←
14:54:05 <deiu> +1 (are there any other items that should be marked as well?)
Andrei Sambra: +1 (are there any other items that should be marked as well?) ←
14:54:07 <azaroth> To clarify, republish _after_ making the 4.2.1.6 change
Robert Sanderson: To clarify, republish _after_ making the 4.2.1.6 change ←
14:54:17 <codyburleson> +1
Cody Burleson: +1 ←
14:54:19 <SteveS> +1
Steve Speicher: +1 ←
14:54:19 <sergio> azaroth: all, yes
Robert Sanderson: all, yes ←
14:54:19 <Ashok> 1
Ashok Malhotra: 1 ←
14:54:22 <azaroth> +1
Robert Sanderson: +1 ←
14:54:24 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
14:54:28 <pchampin> +1
14:54:29 <JohnArwe> +1 just make the pain stop
John Arwe: +1 just make the pain stop ←
14:54:29 <roger> +1
Roger Menday: +1 ←
14:54:33 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Republish LDP as LC with 3 week period, and IndirectContainer as a feature at RISK
RESOLVED: Republish LDP as LC with 3 week period, and IndirectContainer as a feature at RISK ←
14:54:35 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
<sergio> subtopic: JSON-LD requirement
14:54:50 <azaroth> JSON-LD was on our list of questions
Robert Sanderson: JSON-LD was on our list of questions ←
14:54:53 <sergio> bblfish: is time to talk about JSON-LD now?
Henry Story: is time to talk about JSON-LD now? ←
14:55:04 <azaroth> But happy to take those to the list
Robert Sanderson: But happy to take those to the list ←
14:55:15 <Arnaud> PROPOSAL: make JSON-LD a MUST when requested by the client
PROPOSED: make JSON-LD a MUST when requested by the client ←
14:55:16 <sandro> PROPOSED: Servers MUST support JSON-LD when requested by client
PROPOSED: Servers MUST support JSON-LD when requested by client ←
14:55:20 <Ashok> +1
Ashok Malhotra: +1 ←
14:55:20 <sandro> sorry
Sandro Hawke: sorry ←
14:55:24 <betehess> but, that's already HTTP, isn't it?
Alexandre Bertails: but, that's already HTTP, isn't it? ←
14:55:49 <deiu> +.5 in the long term (not supported by my current implems :( )
Andrei Sambra: +.5 in the long term (not supported by my current implems :( ) ←
14:55:49 <SteveS> betehess, no…HTTP it is a should, server doesn’t have to honor Accept
Steve Speicher: betehess, no…HTTP it is a should, server doesn’t have to honor Accept ←
14:55:53 <azaroth> A server could refuse the request under HTTP with 406
Robert Sanderson: A server could refuse the request under HTTP with 406 ←
14:56:16 <Zakim> -bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish ←
14:56:30 <JohnArwe> azaroth: with this change, 406 in that case would mean server is non-conformant
Robert Sanderson: with this change, 406 in that case would mean server is non-conformant [ Scribe Assist by John Arwe ] ←
14:56:38 <azaroth> JohnArwe: Yup
John Arwe: Yup [ Scribe Assist by Robert Sanderson ] ←
14:56:52 <sergio> +1
+1 ←
14:57:00 <betehess> q+
Alexandre Bertails: q+ ←
14:57:07 <SteveS> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/tests/reports/ldp.html#rdfsource-should
Steve Speicher: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/tests/reports/ldp.html#rdfsource-should ←
14:57:23 <betehess> q+ to ask about JSON-LD framing
Alexandre Bertails: q+ to ask about JSON-LD framing ←
14:57:38 <Arnaud> PROPOSAL: Servers MUST support JSON-LD when requested by client, marked as a feature at RISK
PROPOSED: Servers MUST support JSON-LD when requested by client, marked as a feature at RISK ←
14:57:49 <deiu> +1
Andrei Sambra: +1 ←
14:57:57 <azaroth> betehess: Context and framing is our concern too
Alexandre Bertails: Context and framing is our concern too [ Scribe Assist by Robert Sanderson ] ←
14:58:05 <codyburleson> +1 (PROPOSED: Servers MUST support JSON-LD when requested by client will be added as feature AT RISK)
Cody Burleson: +1 (PROPOSED: Servers MUST support JSON-LD when requested by client will be added as feature AT RISK) ←
14:58:07 <TallTed> +0.25
Ted Thibodeau: +0.25 ←
14:58:07 <sergio> +1
+1 ←
14:58:15 <Arnaud> ack betehess
Arnaud Le Hors: ack betehess ←
14:58:15 <Zakim> betehess, you wanted to ask about JSON-LD framing
Zakim IRC Bot: betehess, you wanted to ask about JSON-LD framing ←
14:58:17 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←
14:58:19 <roger> +1
Roger Menday: +1 ←
14:58:20 <sergio> ack betehess
ack betehess ←
14:59:08 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:59:39 <SteveS> +.1 (not sure needed but don’t want to hold it back, JSON is quite important and will support it anyway)
Steve Speicher: +.1 (not sure needed but don’t want to hold it back, JSON is quite important and will support it anyway) ←
14:59:45 <sergio> betehess: I have some questions about setting the context
Alexandre Bertails: I have some questions about setting the context ←
14:59:56 <betehess> -0.9 -- useless without specifying stuff about context and framing
Alexandre Bertails: -0.9 -- useless without specifying stuff about context and framing ←
14:59:58 <azaroth> -0.5 to changing to MUST because of the context/framing being unspecified
Robert Sanderson: -0.5 to changing to MUST because of the context/framing being unspecified ←
14:59:58 <pchampin> +.9
Pierre-Antoine Champin: +.9 ←
15:00:03 <sergio> Arnaud: not sure if it's relevant for the current discussion
Arnaud Le Hors: not sure if it's relevant for the current discussion ←
15:00:08 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Servers MUST support JSON-LD when requested by client, marked as a feature at RISK
RESOLVED: Servers MUST support JSON-LD when requested by client, marked as a feature at RISK ←
15:00:17 <JohnArwe> +0.011 feels rushed, altho I like -LD
John Arwe: +0.011 feels rushed, altho I like -LD ←
15:00:37 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra ←
15:00:39 <JohnArwe> ...at risk is fine tho
John Arwe: ...at risk is fine tho ←
15:00:41 <deiu> bye bye
Andrei Sambra: bye bye ←
15:00:44 <Zakim> -roger
Zakim IRC Bot: -roger ←
15:00:46 <Zakim> -deiu
Zakim IRC Bot: -deiu ←
15:00:51 <Zakim> -azaroth
Zakim IRC Bot: -azaroth ←
15:00:53 <Zakim> -Alexandre
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alexandre ←
15:01:12 <JohnArwe> sandro asking about paging status
John Arwe: sandro asking about paging status ←
15:01:15 <sergio> ok
ok ←
15:01:16 <betehess> I will probably vote -1 on removing at-risk MUST JSON-LD
Alexandre Bertails: I will probably vote -1 on removing at-risk MUST JSON-LD ←
15:01:24 <JohnArwe> but formal mtg is over
John Arwe: but formal mtg is over ←
15:01:36 <betehess> Arnaud, when ca we publish LD Patch ?
Alexandre Bertails: Arnaud, when ca we publish LD Patch ? ←
15:01:46 <bblfish> btw, what happens when a client asks for both turtle and json-ld?
Henry Story: btw, what happens when a client asks for both turtle and json-ld? ←
15:01:55 <betehess> you can't
Alexandre Bertails: you can't ←
15:01:59 <TallTed> ConNeg happens
Ted Thibodeau: ConNeg happens ←
15:02:01 <betehess> you have a preference
Alexandre Bertails: you have a preference ←
15:02:02 <deiu> betehess: you must specify a priority
Alexandre Bertails: you must specify a priority [ Scribe Assist by Andrei Sambra ] ←
15:02:10 <JohnArwe> bblfish: one would presume normal conneg ... q= values govern
Henry Story: one would presume normal conneg ... q= values govern [ Scribe Assist by John Arwe ] ←
15:02:13 <betehess> hey, I know that, deiu :-)
Alexandre Bertails: hey, I know that, deiu :-) ←
15:02:19 <azaroth> Also happy to contribute to a subsequent document that made -LD more well defined
Robert Sanderson: Also happy to contribute to a subsequent document that made -LD more well defined ←
15:02:20 <JohnArwe> ... if q='s ==, server choice (?)
John Arwe: ... if q='s ==, server choice (?) ←
15:02:23 <deiu> err, s/betehess/bblfish
Andrei Sambra: err, s/betehess/bblfish ←
15:02:25 <bblfish> yes, but you don't need to put q-values
Henry Story: yes, but you don't need to put q-values ←
15:02:26 <TallTed> if they evaluate to same preference/priority, it's server's choice
Ted Thibodeau: if they evaluate to same preference/priority, it's server's choice ←
15:02:26 <betehess> lol
Alexandre Bertails: lol ←
15:03:12 <pchampin> q+
15:03:15 <bblfish> what about rdf/xml?
Henry Story: what about rdf/xml? ←
15:03:19 <Zakim> -codyburleson
Zakim IRC Bot: -codyburleson ←
15:03:27 <betehess> Arnaud, if you can do the transition request this week for LD Patch, then deiu told he could prepare the spec re: Webmaster
Alexandre Bertails: Arnaud, if you can do the transition request this week for LD Patch, then deiu told he could prepare the spec re: Webmaster ←
15:03:38 <bblfish> ;-)
Henry Story: ;-) ←
15:04:34 <Arnaud> betehess: oh, I didn't realize that was on my plate, I will
Alexandre Bertails: oh, I didn't realize that was on my plate, I will [ Scribe Assist by Arnaud Le Hors ] ←
15:04:36 <Arnaud> sorry
Arnaud Le Hors: sorry ←
15:04:55 <pchampin> q-
15:04:55 <betehess> no problem :-)
Alexandre Bertails: no problem :-) ←
15:04:56 <pchampin> :)
15:05:22 <betehess> just want a good reason to finish the spec, and provide the test suite
Alexandre Bertails: just want a good reason to finish the spec, and provide the test suite ←
15:05:38 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:05:40 <Zakim> -SteveS
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS ←
15:05:41 <Zakim> -JohnArwe
Zakim IRC Bot: -JohnArwe ←
15:05:41 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
15:05:42 <Zakim> -sergio
Zakim IRC Bot: -sergio ←
15:05:42 <Zakim> -TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed ←
15:05:45 <Zakim> -pchampin
Zakim IRC Bot: -pchampin ←
15:05:51 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←
15:05:52 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended ←
15:05:52 <Zakim> Attendees were azaroth, deiu, Arnaud, codyburleson, SteveS, Alexandre, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, pchampin, +33.9.52.33.aaaa, bblfish, roger, TallTed, sergio, Sandro, [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were azaroth, deiu, Arnaud, codyburleson, SteveS, Alexandre, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, pchampin, +33.9.52.33.aaaa, bblfish, roger, TallTed, sergio, Sandro, [IPcaller] ←
<sergio> present: azaroth, deiu, Arnaud, codyburleson, SteveS, Alexandre, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, pchampin, bblfish, roger, TallTed, sergio, Sandro
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