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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 07 July 2014

Agenda
https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.07.07
Present
Sandro Hawke, Steve Speicher, Roger Menday, Henry Story, Alexandre Bertails, Ted Thibodeau, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Arnaud Le Hors, Ashok Malhotra, John Arwe, Steve Battle
Chair
Arnaud Le Hors
Scribe
Roger Menday
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Minutes of 30 June 2014 approved link
  2. close issue 99, answering "yes" and following up with action-143 link
Topics
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13:58:33 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

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13:58:35 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

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13:58:36 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:58:36 <trackbot> Date: 07 July 2014
14:00:42 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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14:00:49 <Arnaud> zakim. ipcaller is me

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14:02:19 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

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14:02:36 <Zakim> +Roger

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14:02:42 <SteveS> Zakim, Steve_Speicher is me

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14:03:39 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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14:03:54 <betehess> Zakim, IPcaller is Alexandre

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14:04:48 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

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14:04:58 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

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14:05:04 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

14:05:04 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

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14:05:22 <Zakim> +??P12

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14:05:31 <nmihindu> Zakim, P12 is me

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14:05:39 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me

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14:05:39 <Zakim> sorry, nmihindu, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

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14:05:50 <ericP> Zakim, ??P12 is nmihindu

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14:06:01 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me

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14:06:30 <roger> Scribe: Roger

(Scribe set to Roger Menday)

<roger> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.07.07
<roger> chair: Arnaud
<roger> topic: Admin

1. Admin

<roger> Approval of minutes from last meeting

Approval of minutes from last meeting

14:06:31 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

14:06:57 <Arnaud> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-06-30

Arnaud Le Hors: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-06-30

<roger> resolved: Minutes of 30 June 2014 approved

RESOLVED: Minutes of 30 June 2014 approved

14:09:14 <roger> The next call will be next week.

The next call will be next week.

14:09:19 <roger> Topic: Tracking of Actions and Issues

2. Tracking of Actions and Issues

14:09:26 <Zakim> +bblfish

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14:09:27 <roger> any open actions ?

any open actions ?

14:09:43 <bblfish> hi

Henry Story: hi

14:10:07 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

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14:10:07 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

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14:11:16 <roger> Ashok welcomes Tailted to comment on the AccessControl document.

Ashok welcomes Tailted to comment on the AccessControl document.

14:11:20 <SteveS> Access Control use cases https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/AccessControl.html

Steve Speicher: Access Control use cases https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/AccessControl.html

14:13:15 <Zakim> +JohnArwe

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14:14:28 <roger> Action 83 has been closed.

ACTION-83 has been closed.

14:14:28 <trackbot> Error finding '83'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/users>.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding '83'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/users>.

14:14:44 <nmihindu> we had two issues reported against the primer (1) some issues with the JSON-LD examples (2) comments emailing list was incorrectly set to the WG only email list

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: we had two issues reported against the primer (1) some issues with the JSON-LD examples (2) comments emailing list was incorrectly set to the WG only email list

14:14:56 <JohnArwe> zakim, close action-83

John Arwe: zakim, close ACTION-83

14:14:57 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close action-83', JohnArwe

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'close ACTION-83', JohnArwe

14:14:59 <roger> subTopic: Issue 99, regarding JSON-LD examples in the Primer

2.1. ISSUE-99, regarding JSON-LD examples in the Primer

14:15:00 <Ashok> Action-83 has been closed

Ashok Malhotra: ACTION-83 has been closed

14:15:02 <nmihindu> Arnaud, is there any possibility that we can update the email in the published version?

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Arnaud, is there any possibility that we can update the email in the published version?

14:15:10 <nmihindu> If not, we can correct those issues and go for another quick draft

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: If not, we can correct those issues and go for another quick draft

14:15:14 <JohnArwe> trackbot, close action-83

John Arwe: trackbot, close ACTION-83

14:15:14 <trackbot> Closed action-83.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ACTION-83.

14:15:42 <JohnArwe> issue-99?

John Arwe: ISSUE-99?

14:15:42 <trackbot> issue-99 -- Validate the JSON-LD examples of the primer -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-99 -- Validate the JSON-LD examples of the primer -- raised

14:15:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/99

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/99

14:15:54 <nmihindu> Arnaud, sure.

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Arnaud, sure.

14:16:04 <bblfish> action-83?

Henry Story: ACTION-83?

14:16:04 <trackbot> action-83 -- Roger Menday to Ensure ISSUE-62 is addressed in Primer or Best Practices & Guidelines doc -- due 2013-06-27 -- CLOSED

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-83 -- Roger Menday to Ensure ISSUE-62 is addressed in Primer or Best Practices & Guidelines doc -- due 2013-06-27 -- CLOSED

14:16:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/83

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/83

14:16:56 <roger> is there a problem to fix the JSON-LD examples in Primer ?

is there a problem to fix the JSON-LD examples in Primer ?

14:17:21 <Zakim> +??P16

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14:17:31 <nmihindu> Arnaud, yes. Just one question. Can we update the comments email in the published version ?

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Arnaud, yes. Just one question. Can we update the comments email in the published version ?

14:18:26 <roger> Arnaud: propose to close issue 99 immediately, with yes yes ...

Arnaud Le Hors: propose to close ISSUE-99 immediately, with yes yes ...

<roger> resolved: close issue 99, answering "yes" and following up with action-143

RESOLVED: close ISSUE-99, answering "yes" and following up with ACTION-143

14:18:28 <bblfish> hi

Henry Story: hi

14:18:35 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

14:18:52 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

14:20:06 <roger> bblfish: suggest automatic turtle -> json-ld translator ...

Henry Story: suggest automatic turtle -> json-ld translator ...

14:19:32 <betehess> that's a lot of trouble because you need to provide a shape for the json...

Alexandre Bertails: that's a lot of trouble because you need to provide a shape for the json...

14:19:39 <nmihindu> bblfish, yes. But the automatic generation is really bulcky

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: bblfish, yes. But the automatic generation is really bulcky

14:20:03 <JohnArwe> you'd also be dependent on it working in the viewer's favorite browser (version) - bane of all web apps

John Arwe: you'd also be dependent on it working in the viewer's favorite browser (version) - bane of all web apps

14:20:52 <nmihindu> ericp, is there any possibility that we can update the email in the published version?

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: ericp, is there any possibility that we can update the email in the published version?

14:21:37 <roger> primer was published, but with the incorrect email for comments. would like to change that ...

primer was published, but with the incorrect email for comments. would like to change that ...

14:23:01 <nmihindu> ericP, if we have to publish a new version please give us a heads up. May be we can fix the JSON examples before that too.

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: ericP, if we have to publish a new version please give us a heads up. May be we can fix the JSON examples before that too.

14:22:36 <roger> Topic: Paging

3. Paging

14:23:24 <roger> Arnaud: have resolutions from last week been integrated in to Paging spec ?

Arnaud Le Hors: have resolutions from last week been integrated in to Paging spec ?

14:24:56 <roger> JohnArwe: not quite ... will do it this week.

John Arwe: not quite ... will do it this week.

14:26:32 <roger> Arnaud: request everyone to review the Paging spec once John has updated it.

Arnaud Le Hors: request everyone to review the Paging spec once John has updated it.

14:26:54 <roger> ... and would like to make a rapid progress with that document into Last Call

... and would like to make a rapid progress with that document into Last Call

14:27:00 <SteveS> I will take another hard pass through paging as well, looks like I might have time this week or next

Steve Speicher: I will take another hard pass through paging as well, looks like I might have time this week or next

14:28:06 <roger> Topic: LDP spec implementation

4. LDP spec implementation

<roger> Arnaud: Any progress reports about Implementations ?

Arnaud Le Hors: Any progress reports about Implementations ?

14:28:30 <roger> SteveS: only received impl reports about 1 impl

Steve Speicher: only received impl reports about 1 impl

14:28:54 <roger> ... but, there are 2 or 3 other ones in the pipeline ...

... but, there are 2 or 3 other ones in the pipeline ...

14:29:10 <roger> .... but, these are not quite ready yet.

.... but, these are not quite ready yet.

14:29:48 <nmihindu> Basically for the reasons mentioned by SteveS

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Basically for the reasons mentioned by SteveS

14:30:02 <bblfish> I am getting back into programming, so I should be able to get this done.

Henry Story: I am getting back into programming, so I should be able to get this done.

14:30:35 <nmihindu> we are in the middle of the implementation and would like to submit the report when we are done

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: we are in the middle of the implementation and would like to submit the report when we are done

14:30:48 <nmihindu> we will not implement IC for the moment

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: we will not implement IC for the moment

14:31:58 <SteveS> roger, have you used the test suite and plan to send an impl report?

Steve Speicher: roger, have you used the test suite and plan to send an impl report?

14:32:30 <roger> unless the IC is implemented, we might have to lose it from the spec

unless the IC is implemented, we might have to lose it from the spec

14:32:59 <bblfish> Ok, I can have a look at what needs to be done to implement it

Henry Story: Ok, I can have a look at what needs to be done to implement it

14:34:23 <nmihindu> Arnaud, yes. we didn't really have use cases for IC,

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Arnaud, yes. we didn't really have use cases for IC,

14:34:29 <bblfish> I am a developer and I understand http range-14

Henry Story: I am a developer and I understand http range-14

14:34:39 <nmihindu> in LDP4j

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: in LDP4j

14:35:25 <roger> Topic: Test cases

5. Test cases

14:36:26 <roger> SteveS: there are some new tests which have been proposed by the Madrid team recently

Steve Speicher: there are some new tests which have been proposed by the Madrid team recently

14:37:10 <roger> Arnaud: please provide feedback about the tests ...

Arnaud Le Hors: please provide feedback about the tests ...

14:37:19 <roger> Topic: Access Control

6. Access Control

14:37:28 <roger> Arnaud: Ashok has moved the document into Mercurial

Arnaud Le Hors: Ashok has moved the document into Mercurial

14:37:34 <roger> ... don't edit the wiki anymore

... don't edit the wiki anymore

14:37:46 <SteveS> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/AccessControl.html

Steve Speicher: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/AccessControl.html

14:38:54 <roger> ... ashok, please add a link to the wiki page to the new address

... ashok, please add a link to the wiki page to the new address

14:39:02 <roger> Topic: BP&G

7. BP&G

14:39:18 <roger> Cody not on call ...

Cody not on call ...

14:39:29 <roger> Topic: 209

8. 209

14:40:09 <Zakim> -Alexandre

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14:40:44 <roger> ericP: it is out as a draft and has some comments

Eric Prud'hommeaux: it is out as a draft and has some comments

14:41:30 <roger> request to ericp to send link for the mailing list archive ...

request to ericp to send link for the mailing list archive ...

14:41:38 <roger> ... where the 209 discussion is going on

... where the 209 discussion is going on

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14:43:00 <betehess> Zakim, aaaa is Alexandre

Alexandre Bertails: Zakim, aaaa is Alexandre

14:43:00 <Zakim> +Alexandre; got it

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14:43:03 <JohnArwe> zakim, aaaa is betehess

John Arwe: zakim, aaaa is betehess

14:43:03 <Zakim> sorry, JohnArwe, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'

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14:43:30 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud

14:43:53 <Arnaud> sorry, call dropped, calling back

Arnaud Le Hors: sorry, call dropped, calling back

14:44:22 <Arnaud> well, trying...

Arnaud Le Hors: well, trying...

14:45:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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14:45:42 <Arnaud> zakim, ipcaller is me

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, ipcaller is me

14:45:42 <Zakim> +Arnaud; got it

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14:46:13 <roger> Topic: LD PATCH

9. LD PATCH

14:47:33 <SteveS> What is the right link again?  This one right? http://ld-specs.github.io/ld-patch/

Steve Speicher: What is the right link again? This one right? http://ld-specs.github.io/ld-patch/

14:48:20 <roger> Pierre-Antoine: it is waiting for review ...

Pierre-Antoine Champin: it is waiting for review ...

14:48:57 <betehess> the draft for LD Patch is at http://ld-specs.github.io/ld-patch/index.html  -- Pierre-Antoine's version was tied to his implementation

Alexandre Bertails: the draft for LD Patch is at http://ld-specs.github.io/ld-patch/index.html -- Pierre-Antoine's version was tied to his implementation

14:48:57 <betehess> github repo is at https://github.com/ld-specs/ld-patch

Alexandre Bertails: github repo is at https://github.com/ld-specs/ld-patch

14:48:58 <betehess> the plan is to move it to dvcs.w3.org as soon as we are done with the operational semantics, which is almost there (just missing the full UpdateList semantics)

Alexandre Bertails: the plan is to move it to dvcs.w3.org as soon as we are done with the operational semantics, which is almost there (just missing the full UpdateList semantics)

14:48:58 <betehess> q+

Alexandre Bertails: q+

14:49:30 <SteveS> Arnaud, the link in the agenda isn’t right then

Steve Speicher: Arnaud, the link in the agenda isn’t right then

14:49:44 <Arnaud> ack betehess

Arnaud Le Hors: ack betehess

14:50:58 <roger> SteveS, is there a test suite for LD-PATCH ? Betehess, yes, there is, and it can be contributed to the LDP testsuite.

SteveS, is there a test suite for LD-PATCH ? Betehess, yes, there is, and it can be contributed to the LDP testsuite.

14:52:13 <Zakim> -Sandro

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14:52:19 <Zakim> -SteveS

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS

14:52:22 <Zakim> -Roger

Zakim IRC Bot: -Roger

14:52:24 <Zakim> -bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish

14:52:25 <Zakim> -Alexandre

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alexandre

14:52:26 <betehess> in my case, I NEED something complete and close to the spec being written :-)

Alexandre Bertails: in my case, I NEED something complete and close to the spec being written :-)

14:52:27 <Zakim> -TallTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed

14:52:29 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP

14:52:30 <Zakim> -??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P0

14:52:31 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud

14:52:32 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra

14:54:06 <Zakim> -JohnArwe

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<roger> present: Sandro, SteveS, Roger, bblfish, Alexandre, TallTed, ericP, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, stevebattle


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