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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 16 June 2014

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.06.16
Present
Arnaud Le Hors, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Sergio Fernández, Steve Speicher, Ted Thibodeau, Ashok Malhotra, John Arwe, Sandro Hawke, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, Roger Menday, Eric Prud'hommeaux
Chair
Arnaud Le Hors
Scribe
Ashok Malhotra
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. publish Primer as FPWD (Note) link
Topics
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14:00:44 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

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14:00:45 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:00:45 <trackbot> Date: 16 June 2014
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14:02:17 <sergio> Zakim, +43.660.274.aaaa is me

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14:02:18 <SteveS> Zakim, [IBM] is me

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14:02:27 <Zakim> +TimBL

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14:02:42 <deiu_> Zakim, TimBL is temporary me

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14:02:42 <Zakim> I don't understand 'TimBL is temporary me', deiu_

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14:02:53 <deiu_> Zakim, TimBL is temporarily me

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14:02:53 <Zakim> +deiu_; got it

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14:03:30 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

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14:03:30 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it

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14:03:34 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

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14:03:37 <Zakim> +JohnArwe

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14:04:26 <deiu_> Zakim, deiu_ has sandro

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14:04:26 <Zakim> +sandro; got it

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14:04:32 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone?

14:04:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, pchampin, sergio, SteveS, deiu_, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe

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14:04:35 <Zakim> deiu_ has sandro

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14:06:00 <Ashok> scribenick: Ashok

(Scribe set to Ashok Malhotra)

<Ashok> chair: Arnaud
<Ashok> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.06.16
<Ashok> topic: Admin

1. Admin

14:06:36 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Minutes of June 9 Telcon

Arnaud Le Hors: Minutes of June 9 Telcon

14:07:11 <Arnaud> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-06-09

Arnaud Le Hors: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-06-09

14:07:24 <Ashok> Minutes approved without objection

Minutes approved without objection

14:08:03 <Ashok> Next meeting 6/23

Next meeting 6/23

14:08:18 <Ashok> Topic:  Actions and Issues

2. Actions and Issues

14:08:51 <Arnaud> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/open

Arnaud Le Hors: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/open

14:09:06 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Action 141 and 142 are done?  Correct?

Arnaud Le Hors: ACTION-141 and 142 are done? Correct?

14:09:45 <Ashok> Deiu:  We can close Action-139... we have a draft.

Andrei Sambra: We can close ACTION-139... we have a draft.

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14:10:04 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P7 is me

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14:10:09 <ericP> joining in a sec

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14:10:10 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me

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14:10:10 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted

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14:10:35 <nmihindu> so I got to scribe today :) ?

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: so I got to scribe today :) ?

14:11:16 <Ashok> Arwe:  Yes, we can close 141 and 142

John Arwe: Yes, we can close 141 and 142

14:11:41 <Zakim> +Roger

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14:12:36 <JohnArwe> action-83?

John Arwe: ACTION-83?

14:12:36 <trackbot> action-83 -- Roger Menday to Ensure ISSUE-62 is addressed in Primer or Best Practices & Guidelines doc -- due 2013-06-27 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-83 -- Roger Menday to Ensure ISSUE-62 is addressed in Primer or Best Practices & Guidelines doc -- due 2013-06-27 -- OPEN

14:12:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/83

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14:12:36 <Ashok> Arnaud:  You got feedback on primer so we can close Action-70 and 71

Arnaud Le Hors: You got feedback on primer so we can close ACTION-70 and 71

14:13:12 <Ashok> Roger: Action-83 is still pending

Roger Menday: ACTION-83 is still pending

14:13:20 <Ashok> Topic:  Status update

3. Status update

<Ashok> subtopic: LDP spec

3.1. LDP spec

14:14:11 <Ashok> Steves:  I updated examples to be complete HTTP request/response

Steve Speicher: I updated examples to be complete HTTP request/response

14:14:43 <Ashok> Sandro:  We need to do the describedBy thing

Sandro Hawke: We need to do the describedBy thing

14:15:19 <Ashok> Arwe:  Need to be clear if we are taking over the registration of draft

John Arwe: Need to be clear if we are taking over the registration of draft

14:15:40 <Zakim> +ericP

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14:16:32 <Ashok> sandro:  Let's put in spec as "At Risk"

Sandro Hawke: Let's put in spec as "At Risk"

14:17:25 <Ashok> Steves:  It's already in there ... need to mark as At Risk?

Steve Speicher: It's already in there ... need to mark as At Risk?

14:17:51 <Ashok> sandro:  Let me get it reviewed

Sandro Hawke: Let me get it reviewed

14:18:38 <Ashok> Sandro:  I think we are all set

Sandro Hawke: I think we are all set

14:19:11 <Ashok> Arnaud:  We can publish spec as is.

Arnaud Le Hors: We can publish spec as is.

14:20:35 <Ashok> subTopic:  Test Suite

3.2. Test Suite

14:21:46 <Ashok> Steves:  Completed bulk approval of test cases

Steve Speicher: Completed bulk approval of test cases

14:22:01 <Ashok> ... some unimplemented test cases

... some unimplemented test cases

14:22:13 <Ashok> ... and some incoming ones

... and some incoming ones

14:23:28 <Ashok> ... discusses EARL report format etc.

... discusses EARL report format etc.

14:24:58 <sergio> q+

Sergio Fernández: q+

14:25:08 <Ashok> Arnaud:  The spec has not been published but we are essentially in CR

Arnaud Le Hors: The spec has not been published but we are essentially in CR

14:25:17 <Ashok> ... now we need implementations

... now we need implementations

14:25:22 <Arnaud> ack sergio

Arnaud Le Hors: ack sergio

14:26:03 <nmihindu>  we are trying out the test suite with LDP4j and there were several issues. We will report them soon in directly in the github repo.

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: we are trying out the test suite with LDP4j and there were several issues. We will report them soon in directly in the github repo.

14:26:21 <SteveS> Oh ya, IndirectContainer tests haven’t been implemented either

Steve Speicher: Oh ya, IndirectContainer tests haven’t been implemented either

14:26:28 <nmihindu> mainly on running the tests on application-specific LDP servers

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: mainly on running the tests on application-specific LDP servers

14:26:49 <Ashok> Arnaud:  We also need comments on the tests

Arnaud Le Hors: We also need comments on the tests

14:26:57 <Ashok> subTopic:  Access Control

3.3. Access Control

14:27:17 <Ashok> Ted:  I screwed up ... need to redo ... probably today

Ted Thibodeau: I screwed up ... need to redo ... probably today

14:27:41 <Ashok> subTopic:  Canonicalized URL

3.4. Canonicalized URL

14:28:05 <Ashok> Arnaud:  How do we make progress?

Arnaud Le Hors: How do we make progress?

14:28:12 <Ashok> ... I think not

... I think not

14:28:22 <Ashok> ... we need to respond to Cody

... we need to respond to Cody

14:28:31 <Ashok> subTopic:  Primer

3.5. Primer

14:28:54 <Ashok> Roger:  We merged changed from Henry ... we can publish now

Roger Menday: We merged changes from Henry ... we can publish now

14:29:03 <Ashok> s/changed/changes/
14:29:25 <nmihindu> How the comments were addessed - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ekxW2DOoN-7mDMSP1e5Hk-OOAgbilO21vHIt5bTiGeU/edit#heading=h.8fvz9dt9xyp4

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: How the comments were addessed - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ekxW2DOoN-7mDMSP1e5Hk-OOAgbilO21vHIt5bTiGeU/edit#heading=h.8fvz9dt9xyp4

14:29:42 <Ashok> Ashok:  We should publish it

Ashok Malhotra: We should publish it

14:30:03 <Arnaud> Proposed: publish Primer as FPWD

PROPOSED: publish Primer as FPWD

14:30:26 <Ashok> ... this will be a NOTE

... this will be a NOTE

14:30:29 <SteveS> +1

Steve Speicher: +1

14:30:31 <nmihindu> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

14:30:32 <roger> +1

Roger Menday: +1

14:30:32 <JohnArwe> +1

John Arwe: +1

14:30:35 <pchampin> +1

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1

14:30:35 <deiu> +1

Andrei Sambra: +1

14:30:38 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

14:30:38 <sergio> +1

Sergio Fernández: +1

14:30:41 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

14:30:43 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1

14:30:46 <Arnaud> Resolved: publish Primer as FPWD (Note)

RESOLVED: publish Primer as FPWD (Note)

14:31:22 <Ashok> subTopic: 2NN Draft

3.6. 2NN Draft

14:32:10 <Ashok> Eric:  Discusses response to TAG comments

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Discusses response to TAG comments

14:34:43 <Ashok> Arnaud:  I read your mail ... seemed ok to me

Arnaud Le Hors: I read your mail ... seemed ok to me

14:35:57 <Ashok> Sandro:  HTTP 2/Spdy will handle this

Sandro Hawke: HTTP 2/Spdy will handle this

14:36:40 <Ashok> Eric:  Sandro what about your usecase

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Sandro what about your usecase

14:39:01 <Ashok> Sandro:  I will review

Sandro Hawke: I will review 2NN draft

14:39:47 <Ashok> s/review/review 2NN draft
14:41:23 <Ashok> Eric:  Discusses cacheing semantics

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Discusses cacheing semantics

14:42:30 <Ashok> subTopic:  Paging

3.7. Paging

14:43:07 <Ashok> Arnaud:  We have a draft ... Sandro said it captured where we we at but he has had second thought

Arnaud Le Hors: We have a draft ... Sandro said it captured where we we at but he has had second thoughts

14:43:18 <Ashok> s/thought/thoughts/
14:43:57 <sandro> sandro: The TCP streaming approach may address some of the paging use cases, but not others.

Sandro Hawke: The TCP streaming approach may address some of the paging use cases, but not others. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

14:44:46 <Ashok> Sandro:  I think we still needing paging

Sandro Hawke: I think we still needing paging

14:44:57 <Ashok> Arwe:  We have some issues

John Arwe: We have some issues

14:45:41 <Ashok> Sandro:  I will review draft and there still is the naming discussion

Sandro Hawke: I will review draft and there still is the naming discussion

14:45:44 <sandro> https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Names_in_Paging

Sandro Hawke: https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Names_in_Paging

14:46:38 <Ashok> Arnaud:  We plan to publish next week as second Last Call

Arnaud Le Hors: We plan to publish next week as second Last Call

14:47:02 <Ashok> subTopic:  PATCH

3.8. PATCH

14:47:46 <sandro> Arnaud: NEXT WEEK we'll decide on Paging.

Arnaud Le Hors: NEXT WEEK we'll decide on Paging. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

14:47:58 <sandro> Arnaud: If you care about the naming, for instance, you must say so before then

Arnaud Le Hors: If you care about the naming, for instance, you must say so before then [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

14:48:10 <deiu> ld-specs.github.io/ld-patch/

Andrei Sambra: ld-specs.github.io/ld-patch/

14:48:15 <deiu> http://ld-specs.github.io/ld-patch/

Andrei Sambra: http://ld-specs.github.io/ld-patch/

14:48:55 <Ashok> Pchampin:  discusses draft ... based on proposal I sent

Pierre-Antoine Champin: discusses draft ... based on proposal I sent

14:48:56 <sergio> q+

Sergio Fernández: q+

14:49:34 <Ashok> ... dropped idea of embedding a whole subgraph in a PATCH

... dropped idea of embedding a whole subgraph in a PATCH

14:50:34 <Ashok> ... should be able to address most usecases with blank nodes

... should be able to address most usecases with blank nodes

14:51:26 <JohnArwe> @Arnaud, you asked about pending Paging updates; the TODO in section 4.1.1 affects compliance ... 4.1.1 LDP Paging clients MUST be paging-aware in cases where LDP Paging servers initiate paging.

John Arwe: @Arnaud, you asked about pending Paging updates; the TODO in section 4.1.1 affects compliance ... 4.1.1 LDP Paging clients MUST be paging-aware in cases where LDP Paging servers initiate paging.

14:51:26 <JohnArwe>  TODO: Confirm this client MUST for server-initiated paging

John Arwe: TODO: Confirm this client MUST for server-initiated paging

14:51:35 <Ashok> ... there is an example in the spec, should be self-explanatory

... there is an example in the spec, should be self-explanatory

14:52:12 <Arnaud> ack sergio

Arnaud Le Hors: ack sergio

14:53:03 <Ashok> Pchampin:  It's not hard to PATCH triples ... blank nodes is the problem, that's why we emphasize them

Pierre-Antoine Champin: It's not hard to PATCH triples ... blank nodes is the problem, that's why we emphasize them

14:53:24 <JohnArwe> when are we going to get this draft into mercurial along with the rest of the wg materials?

John Arwe: when are we going to get this draft into mercurial along with the rest of the wg materials?

14:53:47 <Ashok> ... tried to get some compatibility with RDF PATCH

... tried to get some compatibility with RDF PATCH

14:54:08 <JohnArwe> wrt sergio's comparison request, suggest making that a wiki page or note (something outside the normative spec) so that updating it is not gated by the Rec process

John Arwe: wrt sergio's comparison request, suggest making that a wiki page or note (something outside the normative spec) so that updating it is not gated by the Rec process

14:55:33 <deiu> I'm not sure any spec should start with a comparison; instead it should be in either a non-normative section, or in a different document

Andrei Sambra: I'm not sure any spec should start with a comparison; instead it should be in either a non-normative section, or in a different document

14:56:27 <Ashok> Arnaud:  We don't have to go to Mercurial ... GitHub is acceptable

Arnaud Le Hors: We don't have to go to Mercurial ... GitHub is acceptable

14:58:08 <Ashok> Pchampin:  I have no strong feelings re. Mercurial/Git Hub ... I can migrate

Pierre-Antoine Champin: I have no strong feelings re. Mercurial/Git Hub ... I can migrate

14:58:31 <sandro> q+ to ask a trivial syntax question (Why  "1>2" instead of "[1:2]"?)

Sandro Hawke: q+ to ask a trivial syntax question (Why "1>2" instead of "[1:2]"?)

14:58:52 <Arnaud> ack sandro

Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro

14:58:53 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to ask a trivial syntax question (Why  "1>2" instead of "[1:2]"?)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to ask a trivial syntax question (Why "1>2" instead of "[1:2]"?)

14:59:04 <SteveS> q+ Feedback on hosting locations

Steve Speicher: q+ Feedback on hosting locations

15:00:19 <Ashok> Pchampin:  Explains choice of syntax ... agrees it is a strange choice

Pierre-Antoine Champin: Explains choice of syntax ... agrees it is a strange choice

15:00:22 <Arnaud> ack steves

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves

15:00:44 <sandro> sandro: lets use : or .. instead of >   ?

Sandro Hawke: lets use : or .. instead of > ? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

15:01:01 <sandro> pchampin: Yeah, : caused some syntax ambiguouty with pnames, but .. is good.

Pierre-Antoine Champin: Yeah, : caused some syntax ambiguouty with pnames, but .. is good. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

15:01:05 <Ashok> Steves:  We could alias GitHub to hq ... so either is ok ... prefer GitHub slightly

Steve Speicher: We could alias GitHub to hq ... so either is ok ... prefer GitHub slightly

15:02:29 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Please reveiew and comment on PATCH draft on mailing list

Arnaud Le Hors: Please reveiew and comment on PATCH draft on mailing list

15:02:33 <deiu> +1 for mailing list

Andrei Sambra: +1 for mailing list

15:02:38 <Ashok> ADJOURNED

ADJOURNED

15:02:42 <Zakim> -nmihindu

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15:02:44 <Zakim> -SteveS

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15:02:46 <Zakim> -TallTed

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15:02:47 <Zakim> -Arnaud

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15:02:47 <Zakim> -deiu_

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15:02:48 <Zakim> -ericP

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15:02:48 <Zakim> -sergio

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15:02:50 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

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15:02:51 <Zakim> -JohnArwe

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15:04:15 <SteveS> pchampin, would be good to know if there is either done or in plan work for parsers and test suite

Steve Speicher: pchampin, would be good to know if there is either done or in plan work for parsers and test suite

15:37:17 <Zakim> -Roger

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15:42:17 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, pchampin, in SW_LDP()10:00AM

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15:42:19 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

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15:42:19 <Zakim> Attendees were Arnaud, pchampin, sergio, SteveS, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, sandro, nmihindu, Roger, ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Arnaud, pchampin, sergio, SteveS, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, sandro, nmihindu, Roger, ericP

<Ashok> present: Arnaud, pchampin, sergio, SteveS, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, sandro, nmihindu, Roger, ericP


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