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14:00:44 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
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14:00:44 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started
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14:00:45 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:00:45 <trackbot> Date: 16 June 2014
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14:02:14 <Zakim> +[IBM]
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14:02:17 <sergio> Zakim, +43.660.274.aaaa is me
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14:02:17 <Zakim> +sergio; got it
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14:02:18 <SteveS> Zakim, [IBM] is me
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14:02:19 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
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14:02:27 <Zakim> +TimBL
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14:02:42 <deiu_> Zakim, TimBL is temporary me
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14:02:42 <Zakim> I don't understand 'TimBL is temporary me', deiu_
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14:02:53 <deiu_> Zakim, TimBL is temporarily me
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14:03:30 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
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14:03:30 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
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14:03:34 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
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14:03:37 <Zakim> +JohnArwe
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14:04:26 <deiu_> Zakim, deiu_ has sandro
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14:04:26 <Zakim> +sandro; got it
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14:04:32 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
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14:04:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, pchampin, sergio, SteveS, deiu_, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe
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14:04:35 <Zakim> deiu_ has sandro
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14:06:00 <Ashok> scribenick: Ashok
(Scribe set to Ashok Malhotra)
<Ashok> chair: Arnaud
<Ashok> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.06.16
<Ashok> topic: Admin
14:06:36 <Ashok> Arnaud: Minutes of June 9 Telcon
Arnaud Le Hors: Minutes of June 9 Telcon ←
14:07:11 <Arnaud> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-06-09
Arnaud Le Hors: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-06-09 ←
14:07:24 <Ashok> Minutes approved without objection
Minutes approved without objection ←
14:08:03 <Ashok> Next meeting 6/23
Next meeting 6/23 ←
14:08:18 <Ashok> Topic: Actions and Issues
14:08:51 <Arnaud> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/open
Arnaud Le Hors: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/open ←
14:09:06 <Ashok> Arnaud: Action 141 and 142 are done? Correct?
Arnaud Le Hors: ACTION-141 and 142 are done? Correct? ←
14:09:45 <Ashok> Deiu: We can close Action-139... we have a draft.
Andrei Sambra: We can close ACTION-139... we have a draft. ←
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14:10:04 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P7 is me
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14:10:04 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
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14:10:09 <ericP> joining in a sec
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14:10:10 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me
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14:10:10 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted
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14:10:35 <nmihindu> so I got to scribe today :) ?
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: so I got to scribe today :) ? ←
14:11:16 <Ashok> Arwe: Yes, we can close 141 and 142
John Arwe: Yes, we can close 141 and 142 ←
14:11:41 <Zakim> +Roger
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14:12:36 <JohnArwe> action-83?
14:12:36 <trackbot> action-83 -- Roger Menday to Ensure ISSUE-62 is addressed in Primer or Best Practices & Guidelines doc -- due 2013-06-27 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-83 -- Roger Menday to Ensure ISSUE-62 is addressed in Primer or Best Practices & Guidelines doc -- due 2013-06-27 -- OPEN ←
14:12:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/83
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/83 ←
14:12:36 <Ashok> Arnaud: You got feedback on primer so we can close Action-70 and 71
Arnaud Le Hors: You got feedback on primer so we can close ACTION-70 and 71 ←
14:13:12 <Ashok> Roger: Action-83 is still pending
Roger Menday: ACTION-83 is still pending ←
14:13:20 <Ashok> Topic: Status update
<Ashok> subtopic: LDP spec
14:14:11 <Ashok> Steves: I updated examples to be complete HTTP request/response
Steve Speicher: I updated examples to be complete HTTP request/response ←
14:14:43 <Ashok> Sandro: We need to do the describedBy thing
Sandro Hawke: We need to do the describedBy thing ←
14:15:19 <Ashok> Arwe: Need to be clear if we are taking over the registration of draft
John Arwe: Need to be clear if we are taking over the registration of draft ←
14:15:40 <Zakim> +ericP
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14:16:32 <Ashok> sandro: Let's put in spec as "At Risk"
Sandro Hawke: Let's put in spec as "At Risk" ←
14:17:25 <Ashok> Steves: It's already in there ... need to mark as At Risk?
Steve Speicher: It's already in there ... need to mark as At Risk? ←
14:17:51 <Ashok> sandro: Let me get it reviewed
Sandro Hawke: Let me get it reviewed ←
14:18:38 <Ashok> Sandro: I think we are all set
Sandro Hawke: I think we are all set ←
14:19:11 <Ashok> Arnaud: We can publish spec as is.
Arnaud Le Hors: We can publish spec as is. ←
14:20:35 <Ashok> subTopic: Test Suite
14:21:46 <Ashok> Steves: Completed bulk approval of test cases
Steve Speicher: Completed bulk approval of test cases ←
14:22:01 <Ashok> ... some unimplemented test cases
... some unimplemented test cases ←
14:22:13 <Ashok> ... and some incoming ones
... and some incoming ones ←
14:23:28 <Ashok> ... discusses EARL report format etc.
... discusses EARL report format etc. ←
14:24:58 <sergio> q+
Sergio Fernández: q+ ←
14:25:08 <Ashok> Arnaud: The spec has not been published but we are essentially in CR
Arnaud Le Hors: The spec has not been published but we are essentially in CR ←
14:25:17 <Ashok> ... now we need implementations
... now we need implementations ←
14:25:22 <Arnaud> ack sergio
Arnaud Le Hors: ack sergio ←
14:26:03 <nmihindu> we are trying out the test suite with LDP4j and there were several issues. We will report them soon in directly in the github repo.
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: we are trying out the test suite with LDP4j and there were several issues. We will report them soon in directly in the github repo. ←
14:26:21 <SteveS> Oh ya, IndirectContainer tests haven’t been implemented either
Steve Speicher: Oh ya, IndirectContainer tests haven’t been implemented either ←
14:26:28 <nmihindu> mainly on running the tests on application-specific LDP servers
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: mainly on running the tests on application-specific LDP servers ←
14:26:49 <Ashok> Arnaud: We also need comments on the tests
Arnaud Le Hors: We also need comments on the tests ←
14:26:57 <Ashok> subTopic: Access Control
14:27:17 <Ashok> Ted: I screwed up ... need to redo ... probably today
Ted Thibodeau: I screwed up ... need to redo ... probably today ←
14:27:41 <Ashok> subTopic: Canonicalized URL
14:28:05 <Ashok> Arnaud: How do we make progress?
Arnaud Le Hors: How do we make progress? ←
14:28:12 <Ashok> ... I think not
... I think not ←
14:28:22 <Ashok> ... we need to respond to Cody
... we need to respond to Cody ←
14:28:31 <Ashok> subTopic: Primer
14:28:54 <Ashok> Roger: We merged changed from Henry ... we can publish now
Roger Menday: We merged changes from Henry ... we can publish now ←
14:29:03 <Ashok> s/changed/changes/
14:29:25 <nmihindu> How the comments were addessed - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ekxW2DOoN-7mDMSP1e5Hk-OOAgbilO21vHIt5bTiGeU/edit#heading=h.8fvz9dt9xyp4
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: How the comments were addessed - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ekxW2DOoN-7mDMSP1e5Hk-OOAgbilO21vHIt5bTiGeU/edit#heading=h.8fvz9dt9xyp4 ←
14:29:42 <Ashok> Ashok: We should publish it
Ashok Malhotra: We should publish it ←
14:30:03 <Arnaud> Proposed: publish Primer as FPWD
PROPOSED: publish Primer as FPWD ←
14:30:26 <Ashok> ... this will be a NOTE
... this will be a NOTE ←
14:30:29 <SteveS> +1
Steve Speicher: +1 ←
14:30:31 <nmihindu> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
14:30:32 <roger> +1
Roger Menday: +1 ←
14:30:32 <JohnArwe> +1
14:30:35 <pchampin> +1
14:30:35 <deiu> +1
Andrei Sambra: +1 ←
14:30:38 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
14:30:38 <sergio> +1
Sergio Fernández: +1 ←
14:30:41 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
14:30:43 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
14:30:46 <Arnaud> Resolved: publish Primer as FPWD (Note)
RESOLVED: publish Primer as FPWD (Note) ←
14:31:22 <Ashok> subTopic: 2NN Draft
14:32:10 <Ashok> Eric: Discusses response to TAG comments
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Discusses response to TAG comments ←
14:34:43 <Ashok> Arnaud: I read your mail ... seemed ok to me
Arnaud Le Hors: I read your mail ... seemed ok to me ←
14:35:57 <Ashok> Sandro: HTTP 2/Spdy will handle this
Sandro Hawke: HTTP 2/Spdy will handle this ←
14:36:40 <Ashok> Eric: Sandro what about your usecase
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Sandro what about your usecase ←
14:39:01 <Ashok> Sandro: I will review
Sandro Hawke: I will review 2NN draft ←
14:39:47 <Ashok> s/review/review 2NN draft
14:41:23 <Ashok> Eric: Discusses cacheing semantics
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Discusses cacheing semantics ←
14:42:30 <Ashok> subTopic: Paging
14:43:07 <Ashok> Arnaud: We have a draft ... Sandro said it captured where we we at but he has had second thought
Arnaud Le Hors: We have a draft ... Sandro said it captured where we we at but he has had second thoughts ←
14:43:18 <Ashok> s/thought/thoughts/
14:43:57 <sandro> sandro: The TCP streaming approach may address some of the paging use cases, but not others.
Sandro Hawke: The TCP streaming approach may address some of the paging use cases, but not others. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:44:46 <Ashok> Sandro: I think we still needing paging
Sandro Hawke: I think we still needing paging ←
14:44:57 <Ashok> Arwe: We have some issues
John Arwe: We have some issues ←
14:45:41 <Ashok> Sandro: I will review draft and there still is the naming discussion
Sandro Hawke: I will review draft and there still is the naming discussion ←
14:45:44 <sandro> https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Names_in_Paging
Sandro Hawke: https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Names_in_Paging ←
14:46:38 <Ashok> Arnaud: We plan to publish next week as second Last Call
Arnaud Le Hors: We plan to publish next week as second Last Call ←
14:47:02 <Ashok> subTopic: PATCH
14:47:46 <sandro> Arnaud: NEXT WEEK we'll decide on Paging.
Arnaud Le Hors: NEXT WEEK we'll decide on Paging. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:47:58 <sandro> Arnaud: If you care about the naming, for instance, you must say so before then
Arnaud Le Hors: If you care about the naming, for instance, you must say so before then [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:48:10 <deiu> ld-specs.github.io/ld-patch/
Andrei Sambra: ld-specs.github.io/ld-patch/ ←
14:48:15 <deiu> http://ld-specs.github.io/ld-patch/
Andrei Sambra: http://ld-specs.github.io/ld-patch/ ←
14:48:55 <Ashok> Pchampin: discusses draft ... based on proposal I sent
Pierre-Antoine Champin: discusses draft ... based on proposal I sent ←
14:48:56 <sergio> q+
Sergio Fernández: q+ ←
14:49:34 <Ashok> ... dropped idea of embedding a whole subgraph in a PATCH
... dropped idea of embedding a whole subgraph in a PATCH ←
14:50:34 <Ashok> ... should be able to address most usecases with blank nodes
... should be able to address most usecases with blank nodes ←
14:51:26 <JohnArwe> @Arnaud, you asked about pending Paging updates; the TODO in section 4.1.1 affects compliance ... 4.1.1 LDP Paging clients MUST be paging-aware in cases where LDP Paging servers initiate paging.
John Arwe: @Arnaud, you asked about pending Paging updates; the TODO in section 4.1.1 affects compliance ... 4.1.1 LDP Paging clients MUST be paging-aware in cases where LDP Paging servers initiate paging. ←
14:51:26 <JohnArwe> TODO: Confirm this client MUST for server-initiated paging
John Arwe: TODO: Confirm this client MUST for server-initiated paging ←
14:51:35 <Ashok> ... there is an example in the spec, should be self-explanatory
... there is an example in the spec, should be self-explanatory ←
14:52:12 <Arnaud> ack sergio
Arnaud Le Hors: ack sergio ←
14:53:03 <Ashok> Pchampin: It's not hard to PATCH triples ... blank nodes is the problem, that's why we emphasize them
Pierre-Antoine Champin: It's not hard to PATCH triples ... blank nodes is the problem, that's why we emphasize them ←
14:53:24 <JohnArwe> when are we going to get this draft into mercurial along with the rest of the wg materials?
John Arwe: when are we going to get this draft into mercurial along with the rest of the wg materials? ←
14:53:47 <Ashok> ... tried to get some compatibility with RDF PATCH
... tried to get some compatibility with RDF PATCH ←
14:54:08 <JohnArwe> wrt sergio's comparison request, suggest making that a wiki page or note (something outside the normative spec) so that updating it is not gated by the Rec process
John Arwe: wrt sergio's comparison request, suggest making that a wiki page or note (something outside the normative spec) so that updating it is not gated by the Rec process ←
14:55:33 <deiu> I'm not sure any spec should start with a comparison; instead it should be in either a non-normative section, or in a different document
Andrei Sambra: I'm not sure any spec should start with a comparison; instead it should be in either a non-normative section, or in a different document ←
14:56:27 <Ashok> Arnaud: We don't have to go to Mercurial ... GitHub is acceptable
Arnaud Le Hors: We don't have to go to Mercurial ... GitHub is acceptable ←
14:58:08 <Ashok> Pchampin: I have no strong feelings re. Mercurial/Git Hub ... I can migrate
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I have no strong feelings re. Mercurial/Git Hub ... I can migrate ←
14:58:31 <sandro> q+ to ask a trivial syntax question (Why "1>2" instead of "[1:2]"?)
Sandro Hawke: q+ to ask a trivial syntax question (Why "1>2" instead of "[1:2]"?) ←
14:58:52 <Arnaud> ack sandro
Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro ←
14:58:53 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to ask a trivial syntax question (Why "1>2" instead of "[1:2]"?)
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to ask a trivial syntax question (Why "1>2" instead of "[1:2]"?) ←
14:59:04 <SteveS> q+ Feedback on hosting locations
Steve Speicher: q+ Feedback on hosting locations ←
15:00:19 <Ashok> Pchampin: Explains choice of syntax ... agrees it is a strange choice
Pierre-Antoine Champin: Explains choice of syntax ... agrees it is a strange choice ←
15:00:22 <Arnaud> ack steves
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves ←
15:00:44 <sandro> sandro: lets use : or .. instead of > ?
Sandro Hawke: lets use : or .. instead of > ? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:01:01 <sandro> pchampin: Yeah, : caused some syntax ambiguouty with pnames, but .. is good.
Pierre-Antoine Champin: Yeah, : caused some syntax ambiguouty with pnames, but .. is good. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:01:05 <Ashok> Steves: We could alias GitHub to hq ... so either is ok ... prefer GitHub slightly
Steve Speicher: We could alias GitHub to hq ... so either is ok ... prefer GitHub slightly ←
15:02:29 <Ashok> Arnaud: Please reveiew and comment on PATCH draft on mailing list
Arnaud Le Hors: Please reveiew and comment on PATCH draft on mailing list ←
15:02:33 <deiu> +1 for mailing list
Andrei Sambra: +1 for mailing list ←
15:02:38 <Ashok> ADJOURNED
ADJOURNED ←
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15:02:44 <Zakim> -SteveS
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15:02:46 <Zakim> -TallTed
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15:02:47 <Zakim> -Arnaud
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15:02:51 <Zakim> -JohnArwe
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15:04:15 <SteveS> pchampin, would be good to know if there is either done or in plan work for parsers and test suite
Steve Speicher: pchampin, would be good to know if there is either done or in plan work for parsers and test suite ←
15:37:17 <Zakim> -Roger
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15:42:17 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, pchampin, in SW_LDP()10:00AM
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15:42:19 <Zakim> Attendees were Arnaud, pchampin, sergio, SteveS, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, sandro, nmihindu, Roger, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Arnaud, pchampin, sergio, SteveS, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, sandro, nmihindu, Roger, ericP ←
<Ashok> present: Arnaud, pchampin, sergio, SteveS, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, sandro, nmihindu, Roger, ericP
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