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14:00:44 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
14:00:44 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started
14:00:45 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:00:45 <trackbot> Date: 16 June 2014
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14:01:09 <Zakim> +??P3
14:01:10 <Zakim> -??P3
14:01:44 <Zakim> +??P3
14:01:53 <Zakim> + +43.660.274.aaaa
14:02:14 <Zakim> +[IBM]
14:02:17 <sergio> Zakim, +43.660.274.aaaa is me
14:02:17 <Zakim> +sergio; got it
14:02:18 <SteveS> Zakim, [IBM] is me
14:02:19 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
14:02:27 <Zakim> +TimBL
14:02:42 <deiu_> Zakim, TimBL is temporary me
14:02:42 <Zakim> I don't understand 'TimBL is temporary me', deiu_
14:02:53 <deiu_> Zakim, TimBL is temporarily me
14:02:53 <Zakim> +deiu_; got it
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14:03:20 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
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14:03:30 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
14:03:30 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
14:03:34 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
14:03:37 <Zakim> +JohnArwe
14:04:26 <deiu_> Zakim, deiu_ has sandro
14:04:26 <Zakim> +sandro; got it
14:04:32 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:04:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, pchampin, sergio, SteveS, deiu_, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe
14:04:35 <Zakim> deiu_ has sandro
14:06:00 <Ashok> scribenick: Ashok
14:06:36 <Ashok> Topic:  Minutes of June 9 Telcon
14:07:11 <Arnaud> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-06-09
14:07:24 <Ashok> Minutes approved without objection
14:08:03 <Ashok> Next meeting 6/23
14:08:18 <Ashok> Topic:  Actions and Issues
14:08:51 <Arnaud> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/open
14:09:06 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Action 141 and 142 are done?  Correct?
14:09:45 <Ashok> Deiu:  We can close Action-139... we have a draft.
14:09:51 <Zakim> +??P7
14:10:04 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P7 is me
14:10:04 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
14:10:09 <ericP> joining in a sec
14:10:10 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me
14:10:10 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted
14:10:35 <nmihindu> so I got to scribe today :) ?
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14:11:16 <Ashok> Arwe:  Yes, we can close 141 and 142
14:11:41 <Zakim> +Roger
14:12:36 <JohnArwe> action-83?
14:12:36 <trackbot> action-83 -- Roger Menday to Ensure ISSUE-62 is addressed in Primer or Best Practices & Guidelines doc -- due 2013-06-27 -- OPEN
14:12:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/83
14:12:36 <Ashok> Arnaud:  You got feedback on primer so we can close Action-70 and 71
14:13:12 <Ashok> Roger: Action-83 is still pending
14:13:20 <Ashok> Topic:  Status update
14:14:11 <Ashok> Steve:  I updated examples to be complete HTTP request/response
14:14:43 <Ashok> Sandro:  We need to do the describedBy thing
14:15:19 <Ashok> Arwe:  Need to be clear if we are taking over the registration of draft
14:15:40 <Zakim> +ericP
14:16:32 <Ashok> sandro:  Let's put in spec as "At Risk"
14:17:25 <Ashok> Steve:  It's already in there ... need to mark as At Risk?
14:17:51 <Ashok> sandro:  Let me get it reviewed
14:18:38 <Ashok> Sandro:  I think we are all set
14:19:11 <Ashok> Arnaud:  We can publish spec as is.
14:20:35 <Ashok> Topic:  Test Suite
14:21:46 <Ashok> Steve:  Completed bulk approval of test cases
14:22:01 <Ashok> ... some unimplemented test cases
14:22:13 <Ashok> ... and some incoming ones
14:23:28 <Ashok> ... discusses EARL report format etc.
14:24:58 <sergio> q+
14:25:08 <Ashok> Arnaud:  The spec has not been published but we are essentially in CR
14:25:17 <Ashok> ... now we need implementations
14:25:22 <Arnaud> ack sergio
14:26:03 <nmihindu>  we are trying out the test suite with LDP4j and there were several issues. We will report them soon in directly in the github repo.
14:26:21 <SteveS> Oh ya, IndirectContainer tests haven’t been implemented either
14:26:28 <nmihindu> mainly on running the tests on application-specific LDP servers
14:26:49 <Ashok> Arnaud:  We also need comments on the tests
14:26:57 <Ashok> Topic:  Access Control
14:27:17 <Ashok> Ted:  I screwed up ... need to redo ... probably today
14:27:41 <Ashok> Topic:  Canonicalized URL
14:28:05 <Ashok> Arnaud:  How do we make progress?
14:28:12 <Ashok> ... I think not
14:28:22 <Ashok> ... we need to respond to Cody
14:28:31 <Ashok> Topic:  Primer
14:28:54 <Ashok> Roger:  We merged changed from Henry ... we can publish now
14:29:03 <Ashok> s/changed/changes/
14:29:25 <nmihindu> How the comments were addessed - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ekxW2DOoN-7mDMSP1e5Hk-OOAgbilO21vHIt5bTiGeU/edit#heading=h.8fvz9dt9xyp4
14:29:42 <Ashok> Ashok:  We should publish it
14:30:03 <Arnaud> Proposed: publish Primer as FPWD
14:30:26 <Ashok> ... this will be a NOTE
14:30:29 <SteveS> +1
14:30:31 <nmihindu> +1
14:30:32 <roger> +1
14:30:32 <JohnArwe> +1
14:30:35 <pchampin> +1
14:30:35 <deiu> +1
14:30:38 <TallTed> +1
14:30:38 <sergio> +1
14:30:41 <sandro> +1
14:30:43 <ericP> +1
14:30:46 <Arnaud> Resolved: publish Primer as FPWD (Note)
14:31:22 <Ashok> Topic: 2NN Draft
14:32:10 <Ashok> Eric:  Discusses response to TAG comments
14:34:43 <Ashok> Arnaud:  I read your mail ... seemed ok to me
14:35:57 <Ashok> Sandro:  HTTP 2/Spdy will handle this
14:36:40 <Ashok> Eric:  Sandro what about your usecase
14:39:01 <Ashok> Sandro:  I will review
14:39:47 <Ashok> s/review/review 2NN draft
14:41:23 <Ashok> Eric:  Discusses cacheing semantics
14:42:30 <Ashok> Topic:  Paging
14:43:07 <Ashok> Arnaud:  We have a draft ... Sandro said it captured where we we at but he has had second thought
14:43:18 <Ashok> s/thought/thoughts/
14:43:57 <sandro> sandro: The TCP streaming approach may address some of the paging use cases, but not others.
14:44:46 <Ashok> Sandro:  I think we still needing paging
14:44:57 <Ashok> Arwe:  We have some issues
14:45:41 <Ashok> Sandro:  I will review draft and there still is the naming discussion
14:45:44 <sandro> https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Names_in_Paging
14:46:38 <Ashok> Arnaud:  We plan to publish next week as second Last Call
14:47:02 <Ashok> Topic:  PATCH
14:47:46 <sandro> Arnaud: NEXT WEEK we'll decide on Paging.
14:47:58 <sandro> Arnaud: If you care about the naming, for instance, you must say so before then
14:48:10 <deiu> ld-specs.github.io/ld-patch/
14:48:15 <deiu> http://ld-specs.github.io/ld-patch/
14:48:55 <Ashok> Pchampin:  discusses draft ... based on proposal I sent
14:48:56 <sergio> q+
14:49:34 <Ashok> ... dropped idea of embedding a whole subgraph in a PATCH
14:50:34 <Ashok> ... should be able to address most usecases with blank nodes
14:51:26 <JohnArwe> @Arnaud, you asked about pending Paging updates; the TODO in section 4.1.1 affects compliance ... 4.1.1 LDP Paging clients MUST be paging-aware in cases where LDP Paging servers initiate paging.
14:51:26 <JohnArwe> TODO: Confirm this client MUST for server-initiated paging
14:51:35 <Ashok> ... there is an example in the spec, should be self-explanatory
14:52:12 <Arnaud> ack sergio
14:53:03 <Ashok> Pchampin:  It's not hard to PATCH triples ... blank nodes is the problem, that's why we emphasize them
14:53:24 <JohnArwe> when are we going to get this draft into mercurial along with the rest of the wg materials?
14:53:47 <Ashok> ... tried to get some compatibility with RDF PATCH
14:54:08 <JohnArwe> wrt sergio's comparison request, suggest making that a wiki page or note (something outside the normative spec) so that updating it is not gated by the Rec process
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14:55:33 <deiu> I'm not sure any spec should start with a comparison; instead it should be in either a non-normative section, or in a different document
14:56:27 <Ashok> Arnaud:  We don't have to go to Mercurial ... GitHub is acceptable
14:58:08 <Ashok> Pchampin:  I have no strong feelings re. Mercurial/Git Hub ... I can migrate
14:58:31 <sandro> q+ to ask a trivial syntax question (Why  "1>2" instead of "[1:2]"?)
14:58:52 <Arnaud> ack sandro
14:58:53 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to ask a trivial syntax question (Why  "1>2" instead of "[1:2]"?)
14:59:04 <SteveS> q+ Feedback on hosting locations
15:00:19 <Ashok> Pchampin:  Explains choice of syntax ... agrees it is a strange choice
15:00:22 <Arnaud> ack steves
15:00:44 <sandro> sandro: lets use : or .. instead of >   ?
15:01:01 <sandro> pchampin: Yeah, : caused some syntax ambiguouty with pnames, but .. is good.
15:01:05 <Ashok> Steve:  We could alias GitHub to hq ... so either is ok ... prefer GitHub slightly
15:02:29 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Please reveiew and comment on PATCH draft on mailing list
15:02:33 <deiu> +1 for mailing list
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15:04:15 <SteveS> pchampin, would be good to know if there is either done or in plan work for parsers and test suite
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15:42:19 <Zakim> Attendees were Arnaud, pchampin, sergio, SteveS, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, JohnArwe, sandro, nmihindu, Roger, ericP
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