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14:00:10 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
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14:00:11 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:00:12 <trackbot> Date: 10 March 2014
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14:00:30 <Zakim> +Arnaud
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14:00:54 <Zakim> +JohnArwe
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14:01:14 <Zakim> +Sandro
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14:01:53 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:02:02 <codyburleson> Zakim, IPcaller is me.
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14:02:02 <Zakim> +codyburleson; got it
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14:02:19 <Zakim> +[OpenLink]
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14:02:25 <TallTed> Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me
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14:02:25 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
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14:02:27 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
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14:02:27 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
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14:02:35 <Zakim> +Roger
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14:02:47 <Zakim> +Steve_Speicher
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14:02:57 <SteveS> Zakim, Steve_Speicher is me
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14:02:57 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
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14:03:03 <Zakim> +MIT531
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14:03:18 <deiu> Zakim, +MIT531 is me
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14:03:18 <Zakim> sorry, deiu, I do not recognize a party named '+MIT531'
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14:03:22 <deiu> Zakim, MIT531 is me
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14:03:22 <Zakim> +deiu; got it
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14:03:36 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:03:52 <Ashok> zakim, IPcaller is me
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14:03:52 <Zakim> +Ashok; got it
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14:05:31 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
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14:05:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, JohnArwe, Sandro, codyburleson, TallTed (muted), Roger, SteveS, deiu, Ashok
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14:06:26 <deiu> scribenick: Deiu
(Scribe set to Andrei Sambra)
14:06:31 <deiu> scribenick Deiu
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14:06:52 <deiu> Scribe: Deiu
<deiu> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.03.10
<deiu> chair: Arnaud
14:07:02 <deiu> Topic: Admin
14:07:17 <Arnaud> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-03-03
Arnaud Le Hors: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-03-03 ←
14:07:20 <deiu> Resolved: Minutes of 3 March approved with no objections
RESOLVED: Minutes of 3 March approved with no objections ←
14:07:50 <deiu> ... any problem with next week's meeting? Same time, same hour difference
... any problem with next week's meeting? Same time, same hour difference ←
14:07:58 <deiu> Topic: Tracking of Actions and Issues
14:08:28 <deiu> Arnaud: I used to track issues during the call, but I dropped it for a while. Now we can go back to tracking issues.
Arnaud Le Hors: I used to track issues during the call, but I dropped it for a while. Now we can go back to tracking issues. ←
14:09:00 <deiu> ... re. Actions, we're now done with the spec, so we have to get back to the other deliverables
... re. Actions, we're now done with the spec, so we have to get back to the other deliverables ←
14:09:25 <deiu> ... there are some actions that need attention, any open actions? Any progress on them? (only 7 open but still)
... there are some actions that need attention, any open actions? Any progress on them? (only 7 open but still) ←
<deiu> topic: LDP Spec status update
14:10:03 <deiu> Arnaud: the spec is supposed to be published tomorrow
Arnaud Le Hors: the spec is supposed to be published tomorrow ←
14:10:12 <deiu> SteveS: everything is good to go for tomorrow
Steve Speicher: everything is good to go for tomorrow ←
14:10:39 <deiu> Arnaud: the end of the comment period could have been April 1st, but we thought we should avoid that particular date
Arnaud Le Hors: the end of the comment period could have been April 1st, but we thought we should avoid that particular date ←
14:10:58 <deiu> ... we then have a month to get through CR
... we then have a month to get through CR ←
14:11:15 <deiu> ... we don't have time to get the spec to REC before the group expires
... we don't have time to get the spec to REC before the group expires ←
14:11:29 <deiu> ... but once we are in PR we're pretty much done
... but once we are in PR we're pretty much done ←
14:11:47 <deiu> ... we could close shop at the beginning of June; it won't affect the outcome
... we could close shop at the beginning of June; it won't affect the outcome ←
14:12:03 <deiu> ... we can get an extension though, in case we need to respond to comments
... we can get an extension though, in case we need to respond to comments ←
14:12:38 <deiu> ... if people are interested in continuing working on LDP, we still have a "wish list", we can work on a new charter
... if people are interested in continuing working on LDP, we still have a "wish list", we can work on a new charter ←
14:13:18 <deiu> ... that will take some time to be approved, so maybe we can get an extension for the current group to try and deal with some of the points on that list
... that will take some time to be approved, so maybe we can get an extension for the current group to try and deal with some of the points on that list ←
14:13:52 <deiu> ... we need to agree on the exit critera for CR
... we need to agree on the exit critera for CR ←
14:14:02 <deiu> ... at least 2-3 implementations
... at least 2-3 implementations ←
14:14:25 <deiu> ... it may take some time for people to implement the spec, after the latest changes
... it may take some time for people to implement the spec, after the latest changes ←
14:15:02 <deiu> sandro: we need implementations that are interoperable, and for that we need a test suite
Sandro Hawke: we need implementations that are interoperable, and which is often done with a test suite ←
14:15:31 <deiu> Arnaud: we should aim for demonstrating interop as much as possible, so the test suite is a good way to do that
Arnaud Le Hors: we should aim for demonstrating interop as much as possible, so the test suite is a good way to do that ←
14:15:45 <Zakim> +??P12
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14:15:48 <deiu> Topic: Use Cases and Requirements
14:15:49 <sandro> s/for that we need a test suite/which is often done with a test suite
14:16:02 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P12 is me
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14:16:02 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
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14:16:08 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me
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14:16:08 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted
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14:16:30 <deiu> Arnaud: there were improvements to the document, but we never got around to publishing it
Arnaud Le Hors: there were improvements to the document, but we never got around to publishing it ←
14:16:48 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: Publish the latest UC&R draft
PROPOSED: Publish the latest UC&R draft ←
14:16:54 <SteveS> +1
Steve Speicher: +1 ←
14:16:58 <Ashok> +1
Ashok Malhotra: +1 ←
14:17:27 <roger> +1
Roger Menday: +1 ←
14:17:28 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
14:17:30 <deiu> SteveS: I thought stevebattle15 started the process and he requested a date
Steve Speicher: I thought stevebattle15 started the process and he requested a date ←
14:17:36 <deiu> +1
+1 ←
14:17:36 <codyburleson> +1
Cody Burleson: +1 ←
14:17:52 <nmihindu> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
14:17:55 <MiguelAraCo> +1
Miguel Aragón: +1 ←
14:18:03 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Publish the latest UC&R draft
RESOLVED: Publish the latest UC&R draft ←
14:18:06 <JohnArwe> +1
14:18:19 <deiu> Arnaud: I will let everyone know when it's published
Arnaud Le Hors: I will let everyone know when it's published ←
14:18:26 <deiu> Topic: Face-2-Face
14:18:58 <deiu> Arnaud: we had talked about having a 3 day meeting, and maybe reduce it to 2 days
Arnaud Le Hors: we had talked about having a 3 day meeting, and maybe reduce it to 2 days ←
14:19:19 <SteveS> maybe 3rd day can be test suite and other hacking
Steve Speicher: maybe 3rd day can be test suite and other hacking ←
14:19:45 <deiu> ... I want to confirm that this will be a 3 day meeting (around 15-17 April)
... I want to confirm that this will be a 3 day meeting (around 15-17 April) ←
14:19:47 <sandro> +1 3 day meeting, especially if we can be doing interop testing
Sandro Hawke: +1 3 day meeting, especially if we can be doing interop testing ←
14:19:52 <deiu> ... there is a list of items to discuss
... there is a list of items to discuss ←
14:20:02 <deiu> +1 for hacking
+1 for hacking ←
14:20:29 <codyburleson> +1 3 days (or more)
Cody Burleson: +1 3 days (or more) ←
14:20:34 <deiu> ... we have two specs now (LDP + Pagind&Ordering), so we have to make sure that they move forward
... we have two specs now (LDP + Pagind&Ordering), so we have to make sure that they move forward ←
14:20:47 <deiu> ... we also have PATCH details to discuss
... we also have PATCH details to discuss ←
14:21:18 <deiu> ... we can spend some more time to discuss PATCH format, if we don't have too many LC comments
... we can spend some more time to discuss PATCH format, if we don't have too many LC comments ←
14:21:40 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: Confirm 3 day meeting: 15-17 April
PROPOSED: Confirm 3 day meeting: 15-17 April ←
14:21:48 <deiu> +1
+1 ←
14:22:02 <SteveS> +1
Steve Speicher: +1 ←
14:22:03 <MiguelAraCo> +1
Miguel Aragón: +1 ←
14:22:05 <roger> +1
Roger Menday: +1 ←
14:22:22 <TallTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
14:22:37 <deiu> Arnaud: people can go to the page and indicate there if they plan to participate to the 3 day f2f
Arnaud Le Hors: people can go to the page and indicate there if they plan to participate to the 3 day f2f ←
14:22:47 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
14:22:53 <JohnArwe> +1
14:23:31 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Confirm 3 day meeting: 15-17 April
RESOLVED: Confirm 3 day meeting: 15-17 April ←
14:23:48 <codyburleson> That might be good, Sandro - if anybody cared to stay an extra day for extra "hackathon"
Cody Burleson: That might be good, Sandro - if anybody cared to stay an extra day for extra "hackathon" ←
<deiu> topic: Paging
14:23:52 <deiu> Arnaud: so now back to paging
Arnaud Le Hors: so now back to paging ←
14:24:18 <deiu> ... based on feedback from sandro, we have agreed to separate paging from the main LDP spec
... based on feedback from sandro, we have agreed to separate paging from the main LDP spec ←
14:24:30 <deiu> ... paging and ordering are now in a new draft
... paging and ordering are now in a new draft ←
14:24:53 <deiu> ... we need to make progress, following the discussions on the mailing list
... we need to make progress, following the discussions on the mailing list ←
14:24:58 <deiu> ... there is currently no stability
... there is currently no stability ←
14:25:11 <deiu> ... how much can the client miss when walking through the pages
... how much can the client miss when walking through the pages ←
14:25:25 <deiu> ... currently, the spec does not guarantee anything
... currently, the spec does not guarantee anything ←
14:25:49 <deiu> ... sandro made the point that we need more guarantees
... sandro made the point that we need more guarantees ←
14:25:50 <Zakim> +ericP
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14:25:58 <deiu> ... we need to discuss this further
... we need to discuss this further ←
14:26:25 <deiu> ... I want to make sure that since this is an important aspect of LDP, we do not forget about it
... I want to make sure that since this is an important aspect of LDP, we do not forget about it ←
14:27:07 <Zakim> -deiu
Zakim IRC Bot: -deiu ←
14:28:45 <sandro> deiu, we hope you're dialing back
Sandro Hawke: deiu, we hope you're dialing back ←
14:29:00 <ericP> scribenick: ericP
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14:29:17 <Zakim> +TimBL
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14:29:26 <ericP> sandro: to what extent will paging work for arbitrary graphs (vs. ldp:Containers)?
Sandro Hawke: to what extent will paging work for arbitrary graphs (vs. ldp:Containers)? ←
14:29:31 <deiu> Zakim: TimBL is me
14:29:43 <deiu> Zakim, TimBL is me
Andrei Sambra: Zakim, TimBL is me ←
14:29:43 <Zakim> +deiu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +deiu; got it ←
14:29:52 <ericP> ... we always had it mind that it would work in LDPRs, but we never worked through e.g. ordering
... we always had it mind that it would work in LDPRs, but we never worked through e.g. ordering ←
14:29:58 <deiu> Arnaud: member submission was attached to containers
Arnaud Le Hors: member submission was attached to containers [ Scribe Assist by Andrei Sambra ] ←
14:30:10 <ericP> scribenick: deiu
(Scribe set to Andrei Sambra)
14:30:18 <SteveS> FYI I created a new tracker "Product" for "LDP Paging Spec" https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/products/8
Steve Speicher: FYI I created a new tracker "Product" for "LDP Paging Spec" https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/products/8 ←
14:30:29 <JohnArwe> Note: internally, we had paging for everything. it was easier to explain for containers only so we moved it there.
John Arwe: Note: internally, we had paging for everything. it was easier to explain for containers only so we moved it there. ←
14:30:41 <deiu> sandro: paging makes sense if you have ordering, and ordering was not defined for arbitrary LDPRs
Sandro Hawke: paging makes sense if you have ordering, and ordering was not defined for arbitrary LDPRs ←
14:31:02 <deiu> Arnaud: should we open issues to start keeping track of these items more efficiently?
Arnaud Le Hors: should we open issues to start keeping track of these items more efficiently? ←
14:31:40 <deiu> ... JohnArwe do you have any input?
... JohnArwe do you have any input? ←
14:32:09 <deiu> JohnArwe: we had paging for arbitrary LDPRs initially, but we moved it over to containers since it was easier to explain to people
John Arwe: we had paging for arbitrary LDPRs initially, but we moved it over to containers since it was easier to explain to people ←
14:32:32 <deiu> ... pages came back and the implementation would manage the rest
... pages came back and the implementation would manage the rest ←
14:33:18 <deiu> sandro: you would order on the properties of the subject
Sandro Hawke: you would order on the properties of the subject ←
14:33:32 <deiu> ... group by subject and order by a property (say foaf:name)
... group by subject and order by a property (say foaf:name) ←
14:33:45 <deiu> ... for subjects that _have_ a foaf:name
... for subjects that _have_ a foaf:name ←
14:34:09 <deiu> ... if you don't order the graph, then paging is just random sampling
... if you don't order the graph, then paging is just random sampling ←
14:35:09 <deiu> JohnArwe: none of the serializers do any ordering now
John Arwe: none of the serializers do any ordering now ←
14:35:53 <deiu> sandro: this would pose a problem for very large files
Sandro Hawke: this would pose a problem for very large files ←
14:36:12 <deiu> ... there is also filtering (vs paging)
... there is also filtering (vs paging) ←
14:37:42 <deiu> JohnArwe: we weren't thinking about it in terms of a function that assigns resources to a page
John Arwe: we weren't thinking about it in terms of a function that assigns resources to a page ←
14:38:13 <deiu> sandro: you want pages to be a fixed (or approx) byte size
Sandro Hawke: you want pages to be a fixed (or approx) byte size ←
14:38:34 <deiu> ... request more pages as you need them
... request more pages as you need them ←
14:39:05 <deiu> JohnArwe: you also want to be able to skip pages and/or support actions like "Home" or "Back" in the browser
John Arwe: you also want to be able to skip pages and/or support actions like "Home" or "Back" in the browser ←
14:40:00 <deiu> Arnaud: ok, so we need to capture the issues
Arnaud Le Hors: ok, so we need to capture the issues ←
14:40:27 <deiu> ... one: how lossy do we allow paging to be?
... one: how lossy do we allow paging to be? ←
14:40:47 <deiu> ... two: how do we do paging if there is no ordering, since ordering is only defined for LDPCs
... two: how do we do paging if there is no ordering, since ordering is only defined for LDPCs ←
14:41:23 <deiu> ... paging is defined for LDPRs
... paging is defined for LDPRs ←
14:41:37 <deiu> ... we can argue about its usefulness
... we can argue about its usefulness ←
14:42:05 <deiu> JohnArwe: your client may not be only an LDP client, and so the client may know more (has support for extra features)
John Arwe: your client may not be only an LDP client, and so the client may know more (has support for extra features) ←
14:42:36 <deiu> ... it doesn't mean that is a problem if it isn't in the LDP spec
... it doesn't mean that is a problem if it isn't in the LDP spec ←
14:43:20 <deiu> Arnaud: because we don't have a solution now, it doesn't mean that we won't find one later
Arnaud Le Hors: because we don't have a solution now, it doesn't mean that we won't find one later ←
14:43:34 <SteveS> q+ to ask of there is any problem with paging spec just reusing LDP namespace
Steve Speicher: q+ to ask of there is any problem with paging spec just reusing LDP namespace ←
14:43:49 <deiu> sandro: is paging only used for flow control or does it allow for application grouping?
Sandro Hawke: is paging only used for flow control or does it allow for application grouping? ←
14:43:54 <Arnaud> ack steves
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves ←
14:43:54 <Zakim> SteveS, you wanted to ask of there is any problem with paging spec just reusing LDP namespace
Zakim IRC Bot: SteveS, you wanted to ask of there is any problem with paging spec just reusing LDP namespace ←
14:43:57 <ericP> Xon/Xoff
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Xon/Xoff ←
14:44:40 <JohnArwe> I think Steve is asking if the paging spec-defined elements get a different NSURI
John Arwe: I think Steve is asking if the paging spec-defined elements get a different NSURI ←
14:44:50 <deiu> SteveS: we have some terms in the LDP namespace for paging
Steve Speicher: we have some terms in the LDP namespace for paging ←
14:44:50 <Zakim> -Roger
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roger ←
14:45:19 <deiu> ... do extensions go into the LDP namespace?
... do extensions go into the LDP namespace? ←
14:45:39 <ericP> downside is that it's difficult to assert the stability policy
Eric Prud'hommeaux: downside is that it's difficult to assert the stability policy ←
14:45:53 <deiu> sandro: you'd like people to play with extensions in a different namespace, but you'd also want to keep everything in the same space
Sandro Hawke: you'd like people to play with extensions in a different namespace, but you'd also want to keep everything in the same space ←
14:46:10 <Zakim> +Roger
Zakim IRC Bot: +Roger ←
14:47:01 <deiu> Arnaud: with the spec the way it is, sandro, do you have a problem with paging being on LDPRs, or is it ok?
Arnaud Le Hors: with the spec the way it is, sandro, do you have a problem with paging being on LDPRs, or is it ok? ←
14:47:17 <deiu> ... if we don't define ordering, can we keep the paging in LDPR?
... if we don't define ordering, can we keep the paging in LDPR? ←
14:47:40 <deiu> sandro: I agree with JohnArwe about adding ordering later, but I'm not sure about how we will implement it
Sandro Hawke: I agree with JohnArwe about adding ordering later, but I'm not sure about how we will implement it ←
14:48:37 <deiu> JohnArwe: how do you talk about the next page when you don't know how to sort it?
John Arwe: how do you talk about the next page when you don't know how to sort it? ←
14:49:20 <deiu> sandro: the server must figure out some kind or ordering so that it will not repeat things nor leave things out
Sandro Hawke: the server must figure out some kind or ordering so that it will not repeat things nor leave things out ←
14:49:58 <deiu> Arnaud: paging is up to the server so if in your implementation you don't care about paging, you can choose not to do paging on graphs, for which you don't have a defined order of pages
Arnaud Le Hors: paging is up to the server so if in your implementation you don't care about paging, you can choose not to do paging on graphs, for which you don't have a defined order of pages ←
14:50:12 <deiu> sandro: the paging spec is optional, I agree
Sandro Hawke: the paging spec is optional, I agree ←
14:50:47 <deiu> Arnaud: just because you say you do paging, doesn't mean that to be compliant you have to do paging on all resource types
Arnaud Le Hors: just because you say you do paging, doesn't mean that to be compliant you have to do paging on all resource types ←
14:51:21 <deiu> sandro: you can ignore the requests to do paging
Sandro Hawke: you can ignore the requests to do paging ←
14:51:42 <deiu> ... the paging will be initiated by the client, say "Preferred page size: 10MB"
... the paging will be initiated by the client, say "Preferred page size: 10MB" ←
14:52:44 <deiu> Arnaud: the server is in charge of deciding what resources get paged
Arnaud Le Hors: the server is in charge of deciding what resources get paged ←
14:53:28 <deiu> sandro: we need to come up with an arbitrary way of doing paging
Sandro Hawke: we need to come up with an arbitrary way of doing paging ←
14:53:53 <deiu> ... so that if the server can do paging for one resource type, it will be able to do it for others too
... so that if the server can do paging for one resource type, it will be able to do it for others too ←
14:55:24 <deiu> JohnArwe: if I have a small resource (1-2 triples), am I required to break those into multiple pages (by supporting paging)?
John Arwe: if I have a small resource (1-2 triples), am I required to break those into multiple pages (by supporting paging)? ←
14:55:53 <deiu> sandro: if the client says "Max page size: 10MB" then the server will not send more than 10MB
Sandro Hawke: if the client says "Max page size: 10MB" then the server will not send more than 10MB ←
14:56:08 <deiu> ... if a triple pushes you over the page size, you'll get another page
... if a triple pushes you over the page size, you'll get another page ←
14:56:39 <deiu> Arnaud: I want to raise 2 issues
Arnaud Le Hors: I want to raise 2 issues ←
14:56:49 <deiu> ... 1) how lossy is paging?
... 1) how lossy is paging? ←
14:56:52 <JohnArwe> The server-side issue with the size limit is that the size is not so easy to predict (with precision) when using OTS serializers.
John Arwe: The server-side issue with the size limit is that the size is not so easy to predict (with precision) when using OTS serializers. ←
14:57:04 <deiu> ... 2) what does it mean to have paging without ordering for LDPRs?
... 2) what does it mean to have paging without ordering for LDPRs? ←
14:57:14 <sandro> sandro: the exception being literals over the page size -- the server still needs to send those as is
Sandro Hawke: the exception being literals over the page size -- the server still needs to send those as is [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:57:45 <deiu> sandro: the issue of how to page on LDPR is a different issue
Sandro Hawke: the issue of how to page on LDPR is a different issue ←
14:57:54 <deiu> sandro: sorry, how to order?
Sandro Hawke: sorry, how to order? ←
14:58:06 <deiu> ... ordering arbitrary LDPRs
... ordering arbitrary LDPRs ←
14:58:33 <JohnArwe> When you're near the page size, as a server you have to guess what fits, and when you're wrong you see a spike in overhead as you retry (remove a bit, re-serialize, test again), in pathological cases repeatedly
John Arwe: When you're near the page size, as a server you have to guess what fits, and when you're wrong you see a spike in overhead as you retry (remove a bit, re-serialize, test again), in pathological cases repeatedly ←
14:58:34 <SteveS> FYI I created a new tracker "Product" for "LDP Paging Spec" https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/products/8
Steve Speicher: FYI I created a new tracker "Product" for "LDP Paging Spec" https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/products/8 ←
14:58:37 <deiu> Arnaud: we need to make sure that raised issues match the right spec
Arnaud Le Hors: we need to make sure that raised issues match the right spec ←
<deiu> topic: Status Update
14:59:09 <deiu> Arnaud: we need to get back on making progress on other deliverables: test suite, etc.
Arnaud Le Hors: we need to get back on making progress on other deliverables: test suite, etc. ←
14:59:37 <nmihindu> I can ping Raul and ask about that
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: I can ping Raul and ask about that ←
14:59:51 <deiu> ... we also have the ACL document; best practices and guidelines
... we also have the ACL document; best practices and guidelines ←
15:00:07 <deiu> ... it might be good to take another look at the primer to check that is in sync
... it might be good to take another look at the primer to check that is in sync ←
15:00:30 <deiu> ... we need to identify how we can make progress
... we need to identify how we can make progress ←
15:00:41 <codyburleson> After the last major update to the spec, I am guessing that all the docs need review and revision again. The last changes in spec were pretty dramatic.
Cody Burleson: After the last major update to the spec, I am guessing that all the docs need review and revision again. The last changes in spec were pretty dramatic. ←
15:00:43 <SteveS> sandro, erice, deiu, any idea why mercurial is so slow ?
Steve Speicher: sandro, erice, deiu, any idea why mercurial is so slow ? ←
15:00:56 <SteveS> ..much slower last couple of weeks
Steve Speicher: ..much slower last couple of weeks ←
15:01:03 <Zakim> -Roger
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15:01:05 <Zakim> -Ashok
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15:01:06 <Zakim> -codyburleson
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15:01:07 <Zakim> -TallTed
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15:01:07 <Zakim> -Arnaud
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15:01:08 <Zakim> -Sandro
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15:01:09 <Zakim> -nmihindu
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15:01:11 <Zakim> -ericP
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15:01:13 <Zakim> -SteveS
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15:01:20 <deiu> SteveS: no idea really, you're the first person I know that complained about it
Steve Speicher: no idea really, you're the first person I know that complained about it ←
15:01:22 <Zakim> -JohnArwe
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15:01:24 <Zakim> -deiu
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15:01:25 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
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15:01:25 <Zakim> Attendees were Arnaud, JohnArwe, Sandro, codyburleson, TallTed, Roger, SteveS, deiu, Ashok, nmihindu, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Arnaud, JohnArwe, Sandro, codyburleson, TallTed, Roger, SteveS, deiu, Ashok, nmihindu, ericP ←
15:01:29 <Arnaud> trackbot, end meeting
Arnaud Le Hors: trackbot, end meeting ←
15:01:29 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
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15:01:29 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
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15:01:37 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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15:01:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/10-ldp-minutes.html trackbot
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15:01:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
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15:01:38 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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