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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 10 March 2014

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.03.10
Seen
Andrei Sambra, Arnaud Le Hors, Ashok Malhotra, Cody Burleson, Eric Prud'hommeaux, John Arwe, Miguel Aragón, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, Roger Menday, Sandro Hawke, Steve Speicher, Ted Thibodeau
Chair
Arnaud Le Hors
Scribe
Andrei Sambra, Eric Prud'hommeaux
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Minutes of 3 March approved with no objections link
  2. Publish the latest UC&R draft link
  3. Confirm 3 day meeting: 15-17 April link
Topics
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14:00:10 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

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14:00:10 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start now

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14:00:11 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:00:12 <trackbot> Date: 10 March 2014
14:00:23 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started

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14:00:30 <Zakim> +Arnaud

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14:00:54 <Zakim> +JohnArwe

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14:01:14 <Zakim> +Sandro

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14:01:53 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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14:02:02 <codyburleson> Zakim, IPcaller is me.

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14:02:02 <Zakim> +codyburleson; got it

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14:02:19 <Zakim> +[OpenLink]

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14:02:25 <TallTed> Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me

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14:02:25 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it

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14:02:27 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

14:02:27 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

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14:02:35 <Zakim> +Roger

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14:02:47 <Zakim> +Steve_Speicher

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14:02:57 <SteveS> Zakim, Steve_Speicher is me

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14:02:57 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it

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14:03:03 <Zakim> +MIT531

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14:03:18 <deiu> Zakim, +MIT531 is me

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14:03:18 <Zakim> sorry, deiu, I do not recognize a party named '+MIT531'

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14:03:22 <deiu> Zakim, MIT531 is me

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14:03:22 <Zakim> +deiu; got it

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14:03:36 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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14:03:52 <Ashok> zakim, IPcaller is me

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14:03:52 <Zakim> +Ashok; got it

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14:05:31 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone?

14:05:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, JohnArwe, Sandro, codyburleson, TallTed (muted), Roger, SteveS, deiu, Ashok

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Arnaud, JohnArwe, Sandro, codyburleson, TallTed (muted), Roger, SteveS, deiu, Ashok

14:06:26 <deiu> scribenick: Deiu

(Scribe set to Andrei Sambra)

14:06:31 <deiu> scribenick Deiu

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14:06:52 <deiu> Scribe: Deiu
<deiu> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.03.10
<deiu> chair: Arnaud
14:07:02 <deiu> Topic: Admin

1. Admin

14:07:17 <Arnaud> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-03-03

Arnaud Le Hors: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-03-03

14:07:20 <deiu> Resolved: Minutes of 3 March approved with no objections

RESOLVED: Minutes of 3 March approved with no objections

14:07:50 <deiu> ... any problem with next week's meeting? Same time, same hour difference

... any problem with next week's meeting? Same time, same hour difference

14:07:58 <deiu> Topic: Tracking of Actions and Issues

2. Tracking of Actions and Issues

14:08:28 <deiu> Arnaud: I used to track issues during the call, but I dropped it for a while. Now we can go back to tracking issues.

Arnaud Le Hors: I used to track issues during the call, but I dropped it for a while. Now we can go back to tracking issues.

14:09:00 <deiu> ... re. Actions, we're now done with the spec, so we have to get back to the other deliverables

... re. Actions, we're now done with the spec, so we have to get back to the other deliverables

14:09:25 <deiu> ... there are some actions that need attention, any open actions? Any progress on them? (only 7 open but still)

... there are some actions that need attention, any open actions? Any progress on them? (only 7 open but still)

<deiu> topic: LDP Spec status update

3. LDP Spec status update

14:10:03 <deiu> Arnaud: the spec is supposed to be published tomorrow

Arnaud Le Hors: the spec is supposed to be published tomorrow

14:10:12 <deiu> SteveS: everything is good to go for tomorrow

Steve Speicher: everything is good to go for tomorrow

14:10:39 <deiu> Arnaud: the end of the comment period could have been April 1st, but we thought we should avoid that particular date

Arnaud Le Hors: the end of the comment period could have been April 1st, but we thought we should avoid that particular date

14:10:58 <deiu> ... we then have a month to get through CR

... we then have a month to get through CR

14:11:15 <deiu> ... we don't have time to get the spec to REC before the group expires

... we don't have time to get the spec to REC before the group expires

14:11:29 <deiu> ... but once we are in PR we're pretty much done

... but once we are in PR we're pretty much done

14:11:47 <deiu> ... we could close shop at the beginning of June; it won't affect the outcome

... we could close shop at the beginning of June; it won't affect the outcome

14:12:03 <deiu> ... we can get an extension though, in case we need to respond to comments

... we can get an extension though, in case we need to respond to comments

14:12:38 <deiu> ... if people are interested in continuing working on LDP, we still have a "wish list", we can work on a new charter

... if people are interested in continuing working on LDP, we still have a "wish list", we can work on a new charter

14:13:18 <deiu> ... that will take some time to be approved, so maybe we can get an extension for the current group to try and deal with some of the points on that list

... that will take some time to be approved, so maybe we can get an extension for the current group to try and deal with some of the points on that list

14:13:52 <deiu> ... we need to agree on the exit critera for CR

... we need to agree on the exit critera for CR

14:14:02 <deiu> ... at least 2-3 implementations

... at least 2-3 implementations

14:14:25 <deiu> ... it may take some time for people to implement the spec, after the latest changes

... it may take some time for people to implement the spec, after the latest changes

14:15:02 <deiu> sandro: we need implementations that are interoperable, and for that we need a test suite

Sandro Hawke: we need implementations that are interoperable, and which is often done with a test suite

14:15:31 <deiu> Arnaud: we should aim for demonstrating interop as much as possible, so the test suite is a good way to do that

Arnaud Le Hors: we should aim for demonstrating interop as much as possible, so the test suite is a good way to do that

14:15:45 <Zakim> +??P12

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14:15:48 <deiu> Topic: Use Cases and Requirements

4. Use Cases and Requirements

14:15:49 <sandro> s/for that we need a test suite/which is often done with a test suite
14:16:02 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P12 is me

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, ??P12 is me

14:16:02 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it

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14:16:08 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, mute me

14:16:08 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted

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14:16:30 <deiu> Arnaud: there were improvements to the document, but we never got around to publishing it

Arnaud Le Hors: there were improvements to the document, but we never got around to publishing it

14:16:48 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: Publish the latest UC&R draft

PROPOSED: Publish the latest UC&R draft

14:16:54 <SteveS> +1

Steve Speicher: +1

14:16:58 <Ashok> +1

Ashok Malhotra: +1

14:17:27 <roger> +1

Roger Menday: +1

14:17:28 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

14:17:30 <deiu> SteveS: I thought stevebattle15 started the process and he requested a date

Steve Speicher: I thought stevebattle15 started the process and he requested a date

14:17:36 <deiu> +1

+1

14:17:36 <codyburleson> +1

Cody Burleson: +1

14:17:52 <nmihindu> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

14:17:55 <MiguelAraCo> +1

Miguel Aragón: +1

14:18:03 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Publish the latest UC&R draft

RESOLVED: Publish the latest UC&R draft

14:18:06 <JohnArwe> +1

John Arwe: +1

14:18:19 <deiu> Arnaud: I will let everyone know when it's published

Arnaud Le Hors: I will let everyone know when it's published

14:18:26 <deiu> Topic: Face-2-Face

5. Face-2-Face

14:18:58 <deiu> Arnaud: we had talked about having a 3 day meeting, and maybe reduce it to 2 days

Arnaud Le Hors: we had talked about having a 3 day meeting, and maybe reduce it to 2 days

14:19:19 <SteveS> maybe 3rd day can be test suite and other hacking

Steve Speicher: maybe 3rd day can be test suite and other hacking

14:19:45 <deiu> ... I want to confirm that this will be a 3 day meeting (around 15-17 April)

... I want to confirm that this will be a 3 day meeting (around 15-17 April)

14:19:47 <sandro> +1 3 day meeting, especially if we can be doing interop testing

Sandro Hawke: +1 3 day meeting, especially if we can be doing interop testing

14:19:52 <deiu> ... there is a list of items to discuss

... there is a list of items to discuss

14:20:02 <deiu> +1 for hacking

+1 for hacking

14:20:29 <codyburleson> +1 3 days (or more)

Cody Burleson: +1 3 days (or more)

14:20:34 <deiu> ... we have two specs now (LDP + Pagind&Ordering), so we have to make sure that they move forward

... we have two specs now (LDP + Pagind&Ordering), so we have to make sure that they move forward

14:20:47 <deiu> ... we also have PATCH details to discuss

... we also have PATCH details to discuss

14:21:18 <deiu> ... we can spend some more time to discuss PATCH format, if we don't have too many LC comments

... we can spend some more time to discuss PATCH format, if we don't have too many LC comments

14:21:40 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: Confirm 3 day meeting: 15-17 April

PROPOSED: Confirm 3 day meeting: 15-17 April

14:21:48 <deiu> +1

+1

14:22:02 <SteveS> +1

Steve Speicher: +1

14:22:03 <MiguelAraCo> +1

Miguel Aragón: +1

14:22:05 <roger> +1

Roger Menday: +1

14:22:22 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

14:22:37 <deiu> Arnaud: people can go to the page and indicate there if they plan to participate to the 3 day f2f

Arnaud Le Hors: people can go to the page and indicate there if they plan to participate to the 3 day f2f

14:22:47 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

14:22:53 <JohnArwe> +1

John Arwe: +1

14:23:31 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Confirm 3 day meeting: 15-17 April

RESOLVED: Confirm 3 day meeting: 15-17 April

14:23:48 <codyburleson> That might be good, Sandro - if anybody cared to stay an extra day for extra "hackathon"

Cody Burleson: That might be good, Sandro - if anybody cared to stay an extra day for extra "hackathon"

<deiu> topic: Paging

6. Paging

14:23:52 <deiu> Arnaud: so now back to paging

Arnaud Le Hors: so now back to paging

14:24:18 <deiu> ... based on feedback from sandro, we have agreed to separate paging from the main LDP spec

... based on feedback from sandro, we have agreed to separate paging from the main LDP spec

14:24:30 <deiu> ... paging and ordering are now in a new draft

... paging and ordering are now in a new draft

14:24:53 <deiu> ... we need to make progress, following the discussions on the mailing list

... we need to make progress, following the discussions on the mailing list

14:24:58 <deiu> ... there is currently no stability

... there is currently no stability

14:25:11 <deiu> ... how much can the client miss when walking through the pages

... how much can the client miss when walking through the pages

14:25:25 <deiu> ... currently, the spec does not guarantee anything

... currently, the spec does not guarantee anything

14:25:49 <deiu> ... sandro made the point that we need more guarantees

... sandro made the point that we need more guarantees

14:25:50 <Zakim> +ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP

14:25:58 <deiu> ... we need to discuss this further

... we need to discuss this further

14:26:25 <deiu> ... I want to make sure that since this is an important aspect of LDP, we do not forget about it

... I want to make sure that since this is an important aspect of LDP, we do not forget about it

14:27:07 <Zakim> -deiu

Zakim IRC Bot: -deiu

14:28:45 <sandro> deiu, we hope you're dialing back

Sandro Hawke: deiu, we hope you're dialing back

14:29:00 <ericP> scribenick: ericP

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14:29:17 <Zakim> +TimBL

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14:29:26 <ericP> sandro: to what extent will paging work for arbitrary graphs (vs. ldp:Containers)?

Sandro Hawke: to what extent will paging work for arbitrary graphs (vs. ldp:Containers)?

14:29:31 <deiu> Zakim: TimBL is me
14:29:43 <deiu> Zakim, TimBL is me

Andrei Sambra: Zakim, TimBL is me

14:29:43 <Zakim> +deiu; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +deiu; got it

14:29:52 <ericP> ... we always had it mind that it would work in LDPRs, but we never worked through e.g. ordering

... we always had it mind that it would work in LDPRs, but we never worked through e.g. ordering

14:29:58 <deiu> Arnaud: member submission was attached to containers

Arnaud Le Hors: member submission was attached to containers [ Scribe Assist by Andrei Sambra ]

14:30:10 <ericP> scribenick: deiu

(Scribe set to Andrei Sambra)

14:30:18 <SteveS> FYI I created a new tracker "Product" for "LDP Paging Spec" https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/products/8

Steve Speicher: FYI I created a new tracker "Product" for "LDP Paging Spec" https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/products/8

14:30:29 <JohnArwe>  Note: internally, we had paging for everything.  it was easier to explain for containers only so we moved it there.

John Arwe: Note: internally, we had paging for everything. it was easier to explain for containers only so we moved it there.

14:30:41 <deiu> sandro: paging makes sense if you have ordering, and ordering was not defined for arbitrary LDPRs

Sandro Hawke: paging makes sense if you have ordering, and ordering was not defined for arbitrary LDPRs

14:31:02 <deiu> Arnaud: should we open issues to start keeping track of these items more efficiently?

Arnaud Le Hors: should we open issues to start keeping track of these items more efficiently?

14:31:40 <deiu> ... JohnArwe do you have any input?

... JohnArwe do you have any input?

14:32:09 <deiu> JohnArwe: we had paging for arbitrary LDPRs initially, but we moved it over to containers since it was easier to explain to people

John Arwe: we had paging for arbitrary LDPRs initially, but we moved it over to containers since it was easier to explain to people

14:32:32 <deiu> ... pages came back and the implementation would manage the rest

... pages came back and the implementation would manage the rest

14:33:18 <deiu> sandro: you would order on the properties of the subject

Sandro Hawke: you would order on the properties of the subject

14:33:32 <deiu> ... group by subject and order by a property (say foaf:name)

... group by subject and order by a property (say foaf:name)

14:33:45 <deiu> ... for subjects that _have_ a foaf:name

... for subjects that _have_ a foaf:name

14:34:09 <deiu> ... if you don't order the graph, then paging is just random sampling

... if you don't order the graph, then paging is just random sampling

14:35:09 <deiu> JohnArwe: none of the serializers do any ordering now

John Arwe: none of the serializers do any ordering now

14:35:53 <deiu> sandro: this would pose a problem for very large files

Sandro Hawke: this would pose a problem for very large files

14:36:12 <deiu> ... there is also filtering (vs paging)

... there is also filtering (vs paging)

14:37:42 <deiu> JohnArwe: we weren't thinking about it in terms of a function that assigns resources to a page

John Arwe: we weren't thinking about it in terms of a function that assigns resources to a page

14:38:13 <deiu> sandro: you want pages to be a fixed (or approx) byte size

Sandro Hawke: you want pages to be a fixed (or approx) byte size

14:38:34 <deiu> ... request more pages as you need them

... request more pages as you need them

14:39:05 <deiu> JohnArwe: you also want to be able to skip pages and/or support actions like "Home" or "Back" in the browser

John Arwe: you also want to be able to skip pages and/or support actions like "Home" or "Back" in the browser

14:40:00 <deiu> Arnaud: ok, so we need to capture the issues

Arnaud Le Hors: ok, so we need to capture the issues

14:40:27 <deiu> ... one: how lossy do we allow paging to be?

... one: how lossy do we allow paging to be?

14:40:47 <deiu> ... two: how do we do paging if there is no ordering, since ordering is only defined for LDPCs

... two: how do we do paging if there is no ordering, since ordering is only defined for LDPCs

14:41:23 <deiu> ... paging is defined for LDPRs

... paging is defined for LDPRs

14:41:37 <deiu> ... we can argue about its usefulness

... we can argue about its usefulness

14:42:05 <deiu> JohnArwe: your client may not be only an LDP client, and so the client may know more (has support for extra features)

John Arwe: your client may not be only an LDP client, and so the client may know more (has support for extra features)

14:42:36 <deiu> ... it doesn't mean that is a problem if it isn't in the LDP spec

... it doesn't mean that is a problem if it isn't in the LDP spec

14:43:20 <deiu> Arnaud: because we don't have a solution now, it doesn't mean that we won't find one later

Arnaud Le Hors: because we don't have a solution now, it doesn't mean that we won't find one later

14:43:34 <SteveS> q+ to ask of there is any problem with paging spec just reusing LDP namespace

Steve Speicher: q+ to ask of there is any problem with paging spec just reusing LDP namespace

14:43:49 <deiu> sandro: is paging only used for flow control or does it allow for application grouping?

Sandro Hawke: is paging only used for flow control or does it allow for application grouping?

14:43:54 <Arnaud> ack steves

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves

14:43:54 <Zakim> SteveS, you wanted to ask of there is any problem with paging spec just reusing LDP namespace

Zakim IRC Bot: SteveS, you wanted to ask of there is any problem with paging spec just reusing LDP namespace

14:43:57 <ericP> Xon/Xoff

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Xon/Xoff

14:44:40 <JohnArwe> I think Steve is asking if the paging spec-defined elements get a different NSURI

John Arwe: I think Steve is asking if the paging spec-defined elements get a different NSURI

14:44:50 <deiu> SteveS: we have some terms in the LDP namespace for paging

Steve Speicher: we have some terms in the LDP namespace for paging

14:44:50 <Zakim> -Roger

Zakim IRC Bot: -Roger

14:45:19 <deiu> ... do extensions go into the LDP namespace?

... do extensions go into the LDP namespace?

14:45:39 <ericP> downside is that it's difficult to assert the stability policy

Eric Prud'hommeaux: downside is that it's difficult to assert the stability policy

14:45:53 <deiu> sandro: you'd like people to play with extensions in a different namespace, but you'd also want to keep everything in the same space

Sandro Hawke: you'd like people to play with extensions in a different namespace, but you'd also want to keep everything in the same space

14:46:10 <Zakim> +Roger

Zakim IRC Bot: +Roger

14:47:01 <deiu> Arnaud: with the spec the way it is, sandro, do you have a problem with paging being on LDPRs, or is it ok?

Arnaud Le Hors: with the spec the way it is, sandro, do you have a problem with paging being on LDPRs, or is it ok?

14:47:17 <deiu> ... if we don't define ordering, can we keep the paging in LDPR?

... if we don't define ordering, can we keep the paging in LDPR?

14:47:40 <deiu> sandro: I agree with JohnArwe about adding ordering later, but I'm not sure about how we will implement it

Sandro Hawke: I agree with JohnArwe about adding ordering later, but I'm not sure about how we will implement it

14:48:37 <deiu> JohnArwe: how do you talk about the next page when you don't know how to sort it?

John Arwe: how do you talk about the next page when you don't know how to sort it?

14:49:20 <deiu> sandro: the server must figure out some kind or ordering so that it will not repeat things nor leave things out

Sandro Hawke: the server must figure out some kind or ordering so that it will not repeat things nor leave things out

14:49:58 <deiu> Arnaud: paging is up to the server so if in your implementation you don't care about paging, you can choose not to do paging on graphs, for which you don't have a defined order of pages

Arnaud Le Hors: paging is up to the server so if in your implementation you don't care about paging, you can choose not to do paging on graphs, for which you don't have a defined order of pages

14:50:12 <deiu> sandro: the paging spec is optional, I agree

Sandro Hawke: the paging spec is optional, I agree

14:50:47 <deiu> Arnaud: just because you say you do paging, doesn't mean that to be compliant you have to do paging on all resource types

Arnaud Le Hors: just because you say you do paging, doesn't mean that to be compliant you have to do paging on all resource types

14:51:21 <deiu> sandro: you can ignore the requests to do paging

Sandro Hawke: you can ignore the requests to do paging

14:51:42 <deiu> ... the paging will be initiated by the client, say "Preferred page size: 10MB"

... the paging will be initiated by the client, say "Preferred page size: 10MB"

14:52:44 <deiu> Arnaud: the server is in charge of deciding what resources get paged

Arnaud Le Hors: the server is in charge of deciding what resources get paged

14:53:28 <deiu> sandro: we need to come up with an arbitrary way of doing paging

Sandro Hawke: we need to come up with an arbitrary way of doing paging

14:53:53 <deiu> ... so that if the server can do paging for one resource type, it will be able to do it for others too

... so that if the server can do paging for one resource type, it will be able to do it for others too

14:55:24 <deiu> JohnArwe: if I have a small resource (1-2 triples), am I required to break those into multiple pages (by supporting paging)?

John Arwe: if I have a small resource (1-2 triples), am I required to break those into multiple pages (by supporting paging)?

14:55:53 <deiu> sandro: if the client says "Max page size: 10MB" then the server will not send more than 10MB

Sandro Hawke: if the client says "Max page size: 10MB" then the server will not send more than 10MB

14:56:08 <deiu> ... if a triple pushes you over the page size, you'll get another page

... if a triple pushes you over the page size, you'll get another page

14:56:39 <deiu> Arnaud: I want to raise 2 issues

Arnaud Le Hors: I want to raise 2 issues

14:56:49 <deiu> ... 1) how lossy is paging?

... 1) how lossy is paging?

14:56:52 <JohnArwe> The server-side issue with the size limit is that the size is not so easy to predict (with precision) when using OTS serializers.

John Arwe: The server-side issue with the size limit is that the size is not so easy to predict (with precision) when using OTS serializers.

14:57:04 <deiu> ... 2) what does it mean to have paging without ordering for LDPRs?

... 2) what does it mean to have paging without ordering for LDPRs?

14:57:14 <sandro> sandro: the exception being literals over the page size -- the server still needs to send those as is

Sandro Hawke: the exception being literals over the page size -- the server still needs to send those as is [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

14:57:45 <deiu> sandro: the issue of how to page on LDPR is a different issue

Sandro Hawke: the issue of how to page on LDPR is a different issue

14:57:54 <deiu> sandro: sorry, how to order?

Sandro Hawke: sorry, how to order?

14:58:06 <deiu> ... ordering arbitrary LDPRs

... ordering arbitrary LDPRs

14:58:33 <JohnArwe> When you're near the page size, as a server you have to guess what fits, and when you're wrong you see a spike in overhead as you retry (remove a bit, re-serialize, test again), in pathological cases repeatedly

John Arwe: When you're near the page size, as a server you have to guess what fits, and when you're wrong you see a spike in overhead as you retry (remove a bit, re-serialize, test again), in pathological cases repeatedly

14:58:34 <SteveS> FYI I created a new tracker "Product" for "LDP Paging Spec" https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/products/8

Steve Speicher: FYI I created a new tracker "Product" for "LDP Paging Spec" https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/products/8

14:58:37 <deiu> Arnaud: we need to make sure that raised issues match the right spec

Arnaud Le Hors: we need to make sure that raised issues match the right spec

<deiu> topic: Status Update

7. Status Update

14:59:09 <deiu> Arnaud: we need to get back on making progress on other deliverables: test suite, etc.

Arnaud Le Hors: we need to get back on making progress on other deliverables: test suite, etc.

14:59:37 <nmihindu> I can ping Raul and ask about that

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: I can ping Raul and ask about that

14:59:51 <deiu> ... we also have the ACL document; best practices and guidelines

... we also have the ACL document; best practices and guidelines

15:00:07 <deiu> ... it might be good to take another look at the primer to check that is in sync

... it might be good to take another look at the primer to check that is in sync

15:00:30 <deiu> ... we need to identify how we can make progress

... we need to identify how we can make progress

15:00:41 <codyburleson> After the last major update to the spec, I am guessing that all the docs need review and revision again. The last changes in spec were pretty dramatic.

Cody Burleson: After the last major update to the spec, I am guessing that all the docs need review and revision again. The last changes in spec were pretty dramatic.

15:00:43 <SteveS> sandro, erice, deiu, any idea why mercurial is so slow ?

Steve Speicher: sandro, erice, deiu, any idea why mercurial is so slow ?

15:00:56 <SteveS> ..much slower last couple of weeks

Steve Speicher: ..much slower last couple of weeks

15:01:03 <Zakim> -Roger

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15:01:05 <Zakim> -Ashok

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15:01:06 <Zakim> -codyburleson

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15:01:07 <Zakim> -TallTed

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15:01:07 <Zakim> -Arnaud

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15:01:08 <Zakim> -Sandro

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15:01:09 <Zakim> -nmihindu

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15:01:11 <Zakim> -ericP

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15:01:13 <Zakim> -SteveS

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15:01:20 <deiu> SteveS: no idea really, you're the first person I know that complained about it

Steve Speicher: no idea really, you're the first person I know that complained about it

15:01:22 <Zakim> -JohnArwe

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15:01:24 <Zakim> -deiu

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15:01:25 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

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15:01:25 <Zakim> Attendees were Arnaud, JohnArwe, Sandro, codyburleson, TallTed, Roger, SteveS, deiu, Ashok, nmihindu, ericP

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15:01:29 <Arnaud> trackbot, end meeting

Arnaud Le Hors: trackbot, end meeting

15:01:29 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

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15:01:29 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

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15:01:37 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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15:01:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/03/10-ldp-minutes.html trackbot

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15:01:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

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15:01:38 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

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