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12:55:53 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-egov-irc
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12:56:22 <josema> chair: john
12:56:32 <josema> regrets+ suzanne
José Alonso: regrets+ suzanne ←
12:56:43 <davemc> Good afternoon. I'll only be on IRC today
Dave McAllister: Good afternoon. I'll only be on IRC today ←
13:00:58 <josema> hi, dave, ok, apologies in advance for scribing today, too many things I'll have to take care of, sorry
José Alonso: hi, dave, ok, apologies in advance for scribing today, too many things I'll have to take care of, sorry ←
13:01:04 <josema> trackbot, start telcon
José Alonso: trackbot, start telcon ←
13:01:06 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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13:01:08 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV
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13:01:08 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM already started
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13:01:09 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
13:01:09 <trackbot> Date: 06 May 2009
13:01:16 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
13:01:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P17, john, +1.509.464.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P17, john, +1.509.464.aaaa ←
13:01:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see Owen, Zakim, RRSAgent, josema, davemc, John, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Owen, Zakim, RRSAgent, josema, davemc, John, trackbot ←
13:01:52 <Zakim> + +1.202.236.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.236.aabb ←
13:02:00 <Owen> I'm on the phone also via Skype
Owen Ambur: I'm on the phone also via Skype ←
13:02:18 <Zakim> +martin_s
Zakim IRC Bot: +martin_s ←
13:02:26 <josema> zakim, martin_s is me
José Alonso: zakim, martin_s is me ←
13:02:34 <Zakim> + +1.202.319.aacc - is perhaps Owen?
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.319.aacc - is perhaps Owen? ←
13:02:49 <Zakim> +josema; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +josema; got it ←
13:02:52 <Daniel_Bennett> 202 319 is Daniel
Daniel Bennett: 202 319 is Daniel ←
13:02:53 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
13:03:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P17, john, +1.509.464.aaaa, +1.202.236.aabb, josema, Owen?
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P17, john, +1.509.464.aaaa, +1.202.236.aabb, josema, Owen? ←
13:03:08 <josema> zakim, aacc is Daniel_Bennett
José Alonso: zakim, aacc is Daniel_Bennett ←
13:03:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see Daniel_Bennett, Owen, Zakim, RRSAgent, josema, davemc, John, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Daniel_Bennett, Owen, Zakim, RRSAgent, josema, davemc, John, trackbot ←
13:03:15 <Zakim> sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc' ←
13:03:25 <davemc> I'm sitting in a Ecma meeting arguing about IP policy, anyone want to trade?
Dave McAllister: I'm sitting in a Ecma meeting arguing about IP policy, anyone want to trade? ←
13:03:43 <josema> zakim, Owen? is Daniel_Bennett
José Alonso: zakim, Owen? is Daniel_Bennett ←
13:03:43 <Zakim> +Daniel_Bennett; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Daniel_Bennett; got it ←
13:03:51 <John> IP policy? nice :)
John Sheridan: IP policy? nice :) ←
13:04:15 <josema> zakim, ??P17 is probably Owen
José Alonso: zakim, ??P17 is probably Owen ←
13:04:15 <Zakim> +Owen?; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Owen?; got it ←
13:04:33 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
13:04:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see Owen?, john, +1.509.464.aaaa, +1.202.236.aabb, josema, Daniel_Bennett
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Owen?, john, +1.509.464.aaaa, +1.202.236.aabb, josema, Daniel_Bennett ←
13:04:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see Daniel_Bennett, Owen, Zakim, RRSAgent, josema, davemc, John, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Daniel_Bennett, Owen, Zakim, RRSAgent, josema, davemc, John, trackbot ←
13:05:15 <Zakim> +Sharron
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sharron ←
13:05:56 <josema> scribe: josema
(Scribe set to José Alonso)
13:06:02 <josema> open issues: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/issues/open
open issues: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/issues/open ←
13:07:33 <josema> zakim, aaaa is Rachel
zakim, aaaa is Rachel ←
13:07:33 <Zakim> +Rachel; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Rachel; got it ←
13:07:48 <josema> zakim, aabb is Brand
zakim, aabb is Brand ←
13:07:48 <Zakim> +Brand; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Brand; got it ←
13:07:54 <josema> scribe: Sharron
(Scribe set to Sharron Rush)
13:09:04 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
13:09:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Owen?, john, Rachel, Brand, josema, Daniel_Bennett, Sharron
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Owen?, john, Rachel, Brand, josema, Daniel_Bennett, Sharron ←
13:09:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see Rachel, Sharron, Daniel_Bennett, Owen, Zakim, RRSAgent, josema, davemc, John, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Rachel, Sharron, Daniel_Bennett, Owen, Zakim, RRSAgent, josema, davemc, John, trackbot ←
13:10:04 <Sharron> Jose: Open issues , we can go through them and some are connected to open actions for publishing the docuemnt.
José Alonso: Open issues , we can go through them and some are connected to open actions for publishing the docuemnt. ←
13:10:28 <josema> regrets+ kevin
José Alonso: regrets+ kevin ←
13:11:03 <Sharron> John: OK, let's go through them one by one, starting with Issue 2, item 55
John Sheridan: OK, let's go through them one by one, starting with ISSUE-2, item 55 ←
13:11:20 <Sharron> Jose: still pending and without Kevin on call, we can't do much.
José Alonso: still pending and without Kevin on call, we can't do much. ←
13:11:36 <Sharron> John: Issue 4 still open, on me.
John Sheridan: ISSUE-4 still open, on me. ←
13:11:53 <josema> [ISSUE-2: kevin working on it]
José Alonso: [ISSUE-2: kevin working on it] ←
13:12:06 <josema> [ISSUE-4: john to send text today]
José Alonso: [ISSUE-4: john to send text today] ←
13:12:09 <Sharron> should have in monutes/hours Jose from me
should have in monutes/hours Jose from me ←
13:13:08 <Sharron> Daniel: Sent final edits based on last set of suggestions re: Issue 17, safe to play
Daniel Bennett: Sent final edits based on last set of suggestions re: ISSUE-17, safe to play ←
13:13:18 <josema> [ISSUE-17: daniel just sent section text with safe to play comments added]
José Alonso: [ISSUE-17: daniel just sent section text with safe to play comments added] ←
13:15:13 <Sharron> Jose: I will review and try to integrate, were you able to address Malcolm's concerns?
José Alonso: I will review and try to integrate, were you able to address Malcolm's concerns? ←
13:16:05 <Sharron> Daniel: I did not adopt the exact language but did incorporate ides, especially about citizens not being overwhelmed, phishing, having confidence in systems.
Daniel Bennett: I did not adopt the exact language but did incorporate ides, especially about citizens not being overwhelmed, phishing, having confidence in systems. ←
13:16:53 <Sharron> ...addressed role of govt identity and authentication, so think it meets the concerns that were raised.
...addressed role of govt identity and authentication, so think it meets the concerns that were raised. ←
13:17:25 <Sharron> Jose: Daniel...any way to review the new text?
José Alonso: Daniel...any way to review the new text? ←
13:17:53 <Sharron> Daniel: On Google docs you can look at revision history which will highlight changes and compare to previous.
Daniel Bennett: On Google docs you can look at revision history which will highlight changes and compare to previous. ←
13:19:04 <Sharron> John: Issue 22, examples of participation and engagement...
John Sheridan: ISSUE-22, examples of participation and engagement... ←
13:19:23 <Sharron> Daniel: I have offered to add paragrpah or two...will get it in today.
Daniel Bennett: I have offered to add paragrpah or two...will get it in today. ←
13:19:28 <josema> [ISSUE-22: daniel to review in a few hours time]
José Alonso: [ISSUE-22: daniel to review in a few hours time] ←
13:19:42 <Sharron> [Issue 22 Daniel to submit today]
[ISSUE-22 Daniel to submit today] ←
13:20:20 <Sharron> John: Kevin and Suzanne have been reviewing and revising the doc.
John Sheridan: Kevin and Suzanne have been reviewing and revising the doc. ←
13:20:31 <Sharron> Rachel: Need help with plain language?
Rachel Flagg: Need help with plain language? ←
13:20:50 <Sharron> John: I don't know. Are we there yet? nearly there?
John Sheridan: I don't know. Are we there yet? nearly there? ←
13:20:52 <josema> [ISSUE-22: daniel to review and submit today]
José Alonso: [ISSUE-22: daniel to review and submit today] ←
13:21:16 <josema> ->http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/Group/docs/note Editor's Draft
José Alonso: ->http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/Group/docs/note Editor's Draft ←
13:21:26 <Sharron> Rachel: Introduction is snapshot where good talking points are...getting there, happy to help.
Rachel Flagg: Introduction is snapshot where good talking points are...getting there, happy to help. ←
13:21:36 <Sharron> ...touch base with kevin?
...touch base with kevin? ←
13:21:49 <Sharron> John: More we polish intro better for whole doc.
John Sheridan: More we polish intro better for whole doc. ←
13:21:52 <josema> +1
José Alonso: +1 ←
13:22:07 <Sharron> Rachel: I am ready to help, tho have been very busy recently
Rachel Flagg: I am ready to help, tho have been very busy recently ←
13:22:25 <Sharron> John: Having read others things you've written, you would be good at that.
John Sheridan: Having read others things you've written, you would be good at that. ←
13:22:47 <Sharron> Rachel: Tahnks most people are taught to write too much.
Rachel Flagg: Tahnks most people are taught to write too much. ←
13:23:07 <Sharron> Daneil: If you can distill the into, perhaps distill to single tweet.
Scribe problem: the name 'Daneil' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Aldo Gangemi Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Benjamin Nguyen Brand Niemann Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Osimo Faisal Monai George Thomas Hugh Barnes Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jeremiah Albrant Joe Carmel John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Laila Benhlima Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martin Mollema Miguel Amutio Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Sharron Rush Suzanne Acar Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Daneil: If you can distill the into, perhaps distill to single tweet. ←
13:23:16 <Sharron> Rachel; Yes we need that
Rachel; Yes we need that ←
13:23:20 <josema> that would be interesting to see
José Alonso: that would be interesting to see ←
13:24:20 <Sharron> Sharron: Need clear langeuage
Sharron Rush: Need clear langeuage ←
13:24:41 <Sharron> Jose: Needed by tomorrow.
José Alonso: Needed by tomorrow. ←
13:25:04 <Sharron> John: Issue-30 comments of EOWG
John Sheridan: ISSUE-30 comments of EOWG ←
13:26:08 <Sharron> Jose: It was good to recieve their comments and they have been useful. Wish there was more time to coordinate with all the W3 groups and expect to do that in future draft. We agreed to put comments into editor's draft verbatiom.
José Alonso: It was good to recieve their comments and they have been useful. Wish there was more time to coordinate with all the W3 groups and expect to do that in future draft. We agreed to put comments into editor's draft verbatim. ←
13:27:13 <Sharron> ...slight wording changes as draft has continued to be edited. But not significant changes. One issue was that Judy Brewer had raised about plain language etc.
...slight wording changes as draft has continued to be edited. But not significant changes. One issue was that Judy Brewer had raised about plain language etc. ←
13:27:57 <Sharron> ...EO would like to see another draft, but time does not allow since it is in constant revision. It is not possible with the time involved.
...EO would like to see another draft, but time does not allow since it is in constant revision. It is not possible with the time involved. ←
13:28:06 <Zakim> +Ken
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ken ←
13:28:30 <josema> s/verbatiom/verbatim
13:29:14 <Sharron> Sharron: I was at EO meeting Friday, I reported that there would not be another draft and suggested that folks watch the draft in progress and comment.
Sharron Rush: I was at EO meeting Friday, I reported that there would not be another draft and suggested that folks watch the draft in progress and comment. ←
13:29:45 <Sharron> Jose: I told Judy that if she had further comments, we would need to hear from her by yesterday.
José Alonso: I told Judy that if she had further comments, we would need to hear from her by yesterday. ←
13:30:17 <Sharron> ...Group expects that while this is not perfect, it will be good and as we go forward we will continue to imporve.
...Group expects that while this is not perfect, it will be good and as we go forward we will continue to imporve. ←
13:32:02 <Sharron> John: Need to be aware that while we can't do the perfect thing, we need to do a useful thing and take a step forward. I endorse Jose view that if we feel we have an insightful, useful document and that we have given our best shot within our constraints of time and volunteer effot, we should go forward. It is an important decesion.
John Sheridan: Need to be aware that while we can't do the perfect thing, we need to do a useful thing and take a step forward. I endorse Jose view that if we feel we have an insightful, useful document and that we have given our best shot within our constraints of time and volunteer effot, we should go forward. It is an important decesion. ←
13:32:45 <davemc> +1, if carefully positioned correctly
Dave McAllister: +1, if carefully positioned correctly ←
13:33:52 <davemc> thank you, Sharron (ofcourse this means you all don't have to tolerate me interrupting
Dave McAllister: thank you, Sharron (ofcourse this means you all don't have to tolerate me interrupting ←
13:33:56 <Sharron> John: What are the publishing timelines and why do they exist?
John Sheridan: What are the publishing timelines and why do they exist? ←
13:34:28 <John> I think I've lost phone connection?
John Sheridan: I think I've lost phone connection? ←
13:34:34 <Sharron> Me too
Me too ←
13:34:39 <Owen> I'm hearing music
Owen Ambur: I'm hearing music ←
13:34:39 <Sharron> Hearing music
Hearing music ←
13:34:40 <Daniel_Bennett> nice music
Daniel Bennett: nice music ←
13:34:44 <Sharron> :)
:) ←
13:34:52 <John> ok, so we all have the same
John Sheridan: ok, so we all have the same ←
13:35:07 <josema> is that me?
José Alonso: is that me? ←
13:35:07 <Daniel_Bennett> intermission?
Daniel Bennett: intermission? ←
13:35:28 <Owen> Shall we dance?
Owen Ambur: Shall we dance? ←
13:35:38 <Daniel_Bennett> quick bathroom break
Daniel Bennett: quick bathroom break ←
13:35:43 <josema> 'm hanging-up in case it's me
José Alonso: 'm hanging-up in case it's me ←
13:35:45 <Daniel_Bennett> or coffee
Daniel Bennett: or coffee ←
13:35:51 <John> ok
John Sheridan: ok ←
13:35:55 <josema> zakim, drop josema
José Alonso: zakim, drop josema ←
13:35:55 <Zakim> josema is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: josema is being disconnected ←
13:35:56 <Owen> TMI, Daniel
Owen Ambur: TMI, Daniel ←
13:35:57 <Zakim> -josema
Zakim IRC Bot: -josema ←
13:36:01 <davemc> not me!
Dave McAllister: not me! ←
13:36:06 <josema> no more music?
José Alonso: no more music? ←
13:36:07 <John> it was josema
John Sheridan: it was josema ←
13:36:13 <josema> sorry :(
José Alonso: sorry :( ←
13:36:32 <Zakim> +josema
Zakim IRC Bot: +josema ←
13:37:18 <Sharron> Sharron: If any way possible, would suggest a delay of jsut a few days for review and consensus about narrative flow
Sharron Rush: If any way possible, would suggest a delay of jsut a few days for review and consensus about narrative flow ←
13:37:36 <Sharron> John: What are the publishing timelines and why do they exist?
John Sheridan: What are the publishing timelines and why do they exist? ←
13:38:30 <Sharron> Jose: May 21 was deadline set in coordination with Obama memo.
José Alonso: May 21 was deadline set in coordination with Obama memo. ←
13:39:04 <Sharron> ...we decided to adopt that as our deadline as well. OSTP needs at least a week to review to see how it relates.
...we decided to adopt that as our deadline as well. OSTP needs at least a week to review to see how it relates. ←
13:40:31 <Sharron> ...docuemtns can only be published at W3c on Tu Th with one day notice. So we were targeting the 12th. Which means we had to complete by the 8th. Since I have to convert to HTML and test throu W3C protocols I need another day. So to meet these deadlines I need all text by tomorrow.
...documents can only be published at W3C on Tu Th with one day notice. So we were targeting the 12th. Which means we had to complete by the 8th. Since I have to convert to HTML and test throu W3C protocols I need another day. So to meet these deadlines I need all text by tomorrow. ←
13:41:21 <Sharron> Jose: Of course, we can change it, but have been discussed and decided to try to meet that deadline.
José Alonso: Of course, we can change it, but have been discussed and decided to try to meet that deadline. ←
13:41:51 <Sharron> John: Yes just wanted to review the opportunity and the need to produce something to make best use of that opportunity.
John Sheridan: Yes just wanted to review the opportunity and the need to produce something to make best use of that opportunity. ←
13:41:58 <josema> s/docuemtns/documents
13:42:08 <josema> s/W3c/W3C
13:42:52 <Sharron> ...core issue is whether the work we have with the work still in progress meet the goal of producing something useful and meet the opportunty?
...core issue is whether the work we have with the work still in progress meet the goal of producing something useful and meet the opportunty? ←
13:43:46 <Sharron> ...I think being in the right place at the right time is important. It is not the perfect thing but we have produced soemthing that has utility and that I have not seen anywhere else. I am happy and confident to have my name associated with this.
...I think being in the right place at the right time is important. It is not the perfect thing but we have produced soemthing that has utility and that I have not seen anywhere else. I am happy and confident to have my name associated with this. ←
13:44:17 <Sharron> Owen; So being able to participate in the broader national conversation is improtant.
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Unknown Ken: ; So being able to participate in the broader national conversation is improtant. ←
13:44:31 <Sharron> Daniel: Yes we will miss opportunities if we put it off.
Daniel Bennett: Yes we will miss opportunities if we put it off. ←
13:44:33 <josema> s/Owen/Ken:
13:44:50 <Owen> Sharron, I did not make the comment just attributed to me.
Owen Ambur: Sharron, I did not make the comment just attributed to me. ←
13:44:57 <davemc> agreed, go forward.
Dave McAllister: agreed, go forward. ←
13:45:08 <josema> I've just fixed it, Owen
José Alonso: I've just fixed it, Owen ←
13:45:21 <Sharron> ...we have a great compendium of information in this one document that addresses these issues adequately if not perfectly.
...we have a great compendium of information in this one document that addresses these issues adequately if not perfectly. ←
13:45:30 <Owen> I think the test that John mentioned, i.e., that he would like to have his name associated with the draft, is a good one.
Owen Ambur: I think the test that John mentioned, i.e., that he would like to have his name associated with the draft, is a good one. ←
13:45:53 <Owen> I'm not sure I could make the same assertion because I haven't seen the latest draft.
Owen Ambur: I'm not sure I could make the same assertion because I haven't seen the latest draft. ←
13:46:19 <Sharron> John: Rachel, from your persepective how close do you think it is?
John Sheridan: Rachel, from your persepective how close do you think it is? ←
13:46:31 <davemc> +1 Owen
Dave McAllister: +1 Owen ←
13:46:36 <josema> Owen, latest draft is always up at: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/Group/docs/note
José Alonso: Owen, latest draft is always up at: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/Group/docs/note ←
13:46:41 <davemc> Would like to review a near-final
Dave McAllister: Would like to review a near-final ←
13:46:50 <josema> eight now it only misses "new" Daniel's text
José Alonso: right now it only misses "new" Daniel's text ←
13:46:58 <josema> s/eight/right
13:47:17 <Sharron> Rachel: Personally I always try to meet the deadlines I set and I agree with caution that while it is not perfect, it is better to put it out there and open for broader opinion.
Rachel Flagg: Personally I always try to meet the deadlines I set and I agree with caution that while it is not perfect, it is better to put it out there and open for broader opinion. ←
13:47:49 <Owen> Thanks for the clarification, Jose. My impression was that the latest draft was not yet sharable.
Owen Ambur: Thanks for the clarification, Jose. My impression was that the latest draft was not yet sharable. ←
13:48:29 <Sharron> John: We have learned big lesson that trying to cover EVERYTHING about egov in one document may not have been the wisest thing. We may not want to say it in the document, but among ourselves, we may plan more focussed, polished pieces.
John Sheridan: We have learned big lesson that trying to cover EVERYTHING about egov in one document may not have been the wisest thing. We may not want to say it in the document, but among ourselves, we may plan more focussed, polished pieces. ←
13:48:51 <davemc> still concerned about negative references.
Dave McAllister: still concerned about negative references. ←
13:48:53 <Sharron> ...next 24 hours must get us to a draft that is sharable.
...next 24 hours must get us to a draft that is sharable. ←
13:49:16 <josema> dave, *please* tell me where you spot some
José Alonso: dave, *please* tell me where you spot some ←
13:49:21 <Sharron> Owen: We should not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. We should put it out there for further comment.
Owen Ambur: We should not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. We should put it out there for further comment. ←
13:49:28 <davemc> Management of contents that cannot be showed in a mobile device, have a large size very costly to download and memory consuming (images, PDF documents).
Dave McAllister: Management of contents that cannot be showed in a mobile device, have a large size very costly to download and memory consuming (images, PDF documents). ←
13:49:38 <davemc> I think iPhone, RIM show the opposite
Dave McAllister: I think iPhone, RIM show the opposite ←
13:49:57 <Sharron> John: Can close Issue-30
John Sheridan: Can close ISSUE-30 ←
13:50:40 <Sharron> John: Issue-34 is one raised by Judy and we talked about this one and have gone a long way toward addressing it.
John Sheridan: ISSUE-34 is one raised by Judy and we talked about this one and have gone a long way toward addressing it. ←
13:51:20 <Sharron> Jose: I remeber that Judy proposed to have accessibility as a headline topic that would show in the table of contents and at this point we have two.
José Alonso: I remeber that Judy proposed to have accessibility as a headline topic that would show in the table of contents and at this point we have two. ←
13:51:53 <Sharron> ...most of sections include at least some accessibility references.
...most of sections include at least some accessibility references. ←
13:53:40 <Sharron> Sharron: Current document does good job of separating accessibilty for PWD and access to government by all citizens.
Sharron Rush: Current document does good job of separating accessibilty for PWD and access to government by all citizens. ←
13:53:51 <Owen> Having just scanned the latest draft, I'm not sure I could agree this statement is true: Government agencies in the United States use the term voluntary consensus standards according to [US-OMB119].
Owen Ambur: Having just scanned the latest draft, I'm not sure I could agree this statement is true: Government agencies in the United States use the term voluntary consensus standards according to [US-OMB119]. ←
13:53:52 <josema> [ISSUE-30 and ISSUE-34 can then be closed]
José Alonso: [ISSUE-30 and ISSUE-34 can then be closed] ←
13:54:19 <Sharron> John: Let's move on to Issue-35
John Sheridan: Let's move on to ISSUE-35 ←
13:55:09 <Sharron> ...Jose, is that the best way for us to proceed? close Issue-34?
...Jose, is that the best way for us to proceed? close ISSUE-34? ←
13:55:32 <Owen> It has been two years since I retired, but when I left goverment, the prevailing definition of "standard" was a personal proprietary product preference (P4).
Owen Ambur: It has been two years since I retired, but when I left goverment, the prevailing definition of "standard" was a personal proprietary product preference (P4). ←
13:55:36 <Sharron> Jose: I heard from Sharron that accessibility is well covered, so yes.
José Alonso: I heard from Sharron that accessibility is well covered, so yes. ←
13:56:07 <Sharron> John: As long as we have on the record that we have considered, discussed and conluded that it is sufficinetly addressed then we can close it.
John Sheridan: As long as we have on the record that we have considered, discussed and conluded that it is sufficinetly addressed then we can close it. ←
13:57:08 <Owen> P4 + the political power to impose upon others (P6IO)
Owen Ambur: P4 + the political power to impose upon others (P6IO) ←
13:57:18 <Zakim> -Brand
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13:57:24 <Owen> correction P6IOU
Owen Ambur: correction P6IOU ←
13:57:45 <Sharron> Jose: So Issue-35 is about the comments from VSA. We have a lawyer at W3C who has advised about the difference between open source and open standards.
José Alonso: So ISSUE-35 is about the comments from BSA. We have a lawyer at W3C who has advised about the difference between open source and open standards. ←
13:57:53 <josema> s/VSA/BSA
13:58:26 <Zakim> +Brand
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13:59:26 <Sharron> ...I think we are good on that front because we have recognized various interpretations of terms, Europe/US differences, etc. BSA wants a distinction made and wants no endorsement in this document for open standards.
...I think we are good on that front because we have recognized various interpretations of terms, Europe/US differences, etc. BSA wants a distinction made and wants no endorsement in this document for open standards. ←
13:59:27 <Owen> correction to correction P6IUO
Owen Ambur: correction to correction P6IUO ←
14:00:07 <Sharron> Jose: Have others reviewed the comments? We should be clear about our meaning, not have endorsements.
José Alonso: Have others reviewed the comments? We should be clear about our meaning, not have endorsements. ←
14:00:40 <Sharron> Ken: There is section after Open Standards called Open Source Solutions...?
Daniel Bennett: There is section after Open Standards called Open Source Solutions...? ←
14:00:55 <Sharron> s/Ken/Daniel
14:02:01 <Sharron> Daniel: That language could be cleaned up to say whenever possible docuemtn models should be based on open standards whether open source or proprietary.
Daniel Bennett: That language could be cleaned up to say whenever possible docuemtn models should be based on open standards whether open source or proprietary. ←
14:02:02 <davemc> that's a can of worms.
Dave McAllister: that's a can of worms. ←
14:02:54 <Sharron> Owen: Important distinction to be made between open data and open software. The open data is most important.
Owen Ambur: Important distinction to be made between open data and open software. The open data is most important. ←
14:03:20 <Sharron> Daniel: I will tweek the language to be very neutral.
Daniel Bennett: I will tweek the language to be very neutral. ←
14:04:13 <Sharron> John: Issue-36 is next.
John Sheridan: ISSUE-36 is next. ←
14:04:54 <Sharron> Daniel: Yes this one is mine I put this out on the National Dialogue but got some blowback. It may be too soon for this idea. We can close this one.
Daniel Bennett: Yes this one is mine I put this out on the National Dialogue but got some blowback. It may be too soon for this idea. We can close this one. ←
14:05:14 <Sharron> John: Any other issues that we can address that have not yet?
John Sheridan: Any other issues that we can address that have not yet? ←
14:05:38 <Sharron> Daniel: Or issues that still need to be raised.
Daniel Bennett: Or issues that still need to be raised. ←
14:07:09 <Sharron> Jose: Issue 2 is still open pending reciept of new text. 15 the same, 17 have the text, need to integrate; 35 agreed but must respond to BSA and see if it acceptable to them; Rachel offered help with Issue 24
José Alonso: ISSUE-2 is still open pending reciept of new text. 15 the same, 17 have the text, need to integrate; 35 agreed but must respond to BSA and see if it acceptable to them; Rachel offered help with ISSUE-24 ←
14:07:52 <Sharron> Rachel: Yes I am working on it now
Rachel Flagg: Yes I am working on it now ←
14:08:18 <davemc> ohank you
Dave McAllister: ohank you ←
14:08:35 <Sharron> Rachel: I will have it to you at the end of the day
Rachel Flagg: I will have it to you at the end of the day ←
14:09:17 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose, first the music, now echo chamber
Daniel Bennett: Jose, first the music, now echo chamber ←
14:09:35 <Sharron> Jose: Kevin is writing an Exec Summary. So we will have Intro, Background, Abstract, Status of Document...many sections that are summary sections
José Alonso: Kevin is writing an Exec Summary. So we will have Intro, Background, Abstract, Status of Document...many sections that are summary sections ←
14:10:06 <Sharron> ...maybe should coordinate with Kevin. We have many sections that deal with the same general thing.
...maybe should coordinate with Kevin. We have many sections that deal with the same general thing. ←
14:10:25 <Sharron> John: In next 24 hours we should close all the issues if everyone does what they have said.
John Sheridan: In next 24 hours we should close all the issues if everyone does what they have said. ←
14:11:02 <davemc> I may have missed it.. resolution on "open data and open software" ?
Dave McAllister: I may have missed it.. resolution on "open data and open software" ? ←
14:11:04 <Sharron> Jose: Many issues were left from the F2F meeting
José Alonso: Many issues were left from the F2F meeting ←
14:11:26 <davemc> focus on open data, I hope
Dave McAllister: focus on open data, I hope ←
14:11:45 <josema> yes
José Alonso: yes ←
14:11:57 <davemc> ty
Dave McAllister: ty ←
14:12:35 <Owen> I believe the "Semantics" paragraph would be improved by appending this sentence: Toward that end, it would be beneficial to publish on the Web in readily sharable, referenceable format the names and definitions of elements currently being used, regardless of the scope of agreement that has been achieved.
Owen Ambur: I believe the "Semantics" paragraph would be improved by appending this sentence: Toward that end, it would be beneficial to publish on the Web in readily sharable, referenceable format the names and definitions of elements currently being used, regardless of the scope of agreement that has been achieved. ←
14:12:38 <Sharron> Sharron: Glossary will be submitted in HTML format by EOD today
Sharron Rush: Glossary will be submitted in HTML format by EOD today ←
14:13:21 <Sharron> Jose: Personally not sure if I can work on document tomorrow but will make final edits Friday and send to list.
José Alonso: Personally not sure if I can work on document tomorrow but will make final edits Friday and send to list. ←
14:13:37 <Sharron> ...first thing Saturday will send message to webmaster.
...first thing Saturday will send message to webmaster. ←
14:13:52 <Sharron> John: Good to have a window to review glossary, etc
John Sheridan: Good to have a window to review glossary, etc ←
14:14:55 <Sharron> Jose: Do you have additional concerns, Owen?
José Alonso: Do you have additional concerns, Owen? ←
14:15:24 <Sharron> Owen: OMB policy and reality around standards is different.
Owen Ambur: OMB policy and reality around standards is different. ←
14:15:39 <Sharron> ...wording currently in draft is incorrect.
...wording currently in draft is incorrect. ←
14:16:43 <Sharron> ...also in semantics paragraph, I disagree that goal is shared semantics. Rather provide defintitions internally for semantics.
...also in semantics paragraph, I disagree that goal is shared semantics. Rather provide defintitions internally for semantics. ←
14:17:15 <Sharron> ...can do better by sharing our own smantics in readily sharable format like XML
...can do better by sharing our own smantics in readily sharable format like XML ←
14:17:37 <davemc> but not limited to XML.
Dave McAllister: but not limited to XML. ←
14:18:20 <Sharron> Jose: Am marking document is sections you refer to. Didn't you have email exchanges about that?
José Alonso: Am marking document is sections you refer to. Didn't you have email exchanges about that? ←
14:18:40 <Sharron> Owen: Yes we had put placeholders in the draft.
Owen Ambur: Yes we had put placeholders in the draft. ←
14:19:21 <Sharron> ...current wording is not correct. OMB circular directs agencies to use voluntary consesus standards
...current wording is not correct. OMB circular directs agencies to use voluntary consesus standards ←
14:19:31 <Sharron> ...not correct to say that is what they ARE doing.
...not correct to say that is what they ARE doing. ←
14:21:33 <Sharron> Jose: I can make those changes
José Alonso: I can make those changes ←
14:22:09 <Sharron> John: Another case where even if not in complete agreement, better to publish waht you mean.
John Sheridan: Another case where even if not in complete agreement, better to publish waht you mean. ←
14:22:51 <Sharron> Owen: With those changes, happy to have name on doc.
Owen Ambur: With those changes, happy to have name on doc. ←
14:23:25 <Sharron> John: Any other actions to cover today?
John Sheridan: Any other actions to cover today? ←
14:23:48 <Sharron> ...Let's take next 7 minutes and apply them to our tasks. OK?
...Let's take next 7 minutes and apply them to our tasks. OK? ←
14:23:53 <Sharron> All: Yes
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14:23:55 <davemc> +1
Dave McAllister: +1 ←
14:24:13 <Sharron> John: Thanks for all this work on what will be an important and useful document, we are adjourned.
John Sheridan: Thanks for all this work on what will be an important and useful document, we are adjourned. ←
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