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13:53:51 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-egov-irc
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13:53:57 <josema> zakim, this will be egov
José Alonso: zakim, this will be egov ←
13:53:57 <Zakim> ok, josema; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, josema; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes ←
13:54:21 <kjetil> Zakim, what is the code?
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, what is the code? ←
13:54:21 <Zakim> the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), kjetil
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), kjetil ←
13:54:43 <kjetil> kjetil has changed the topic to: next Group call: 12 Nov; 14:00Z || the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152)
Kjetil Kjernsmo: kjetil has changed the topic to: next Group call: 12 Nov; 14:00Z || the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152) ←
14:00:43 <josema> trackbot, start telcon
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José Alonso: trackbot, start telcon ←
14:00:45 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
14:00:47 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be EGOV ←
14:00:47 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start now
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start now ←
14:00:48 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
14:00:48 <trackbot> Date: 12 November 2008
14:00:54 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started ←
14:01:01 <Zakim> + +1.509.464.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.509.464.aaaa ←
14:01:07 <josema> regrets: martin, jeff
14:01:17 <Zakim> +Josema
Zakim IRC Bot: +Josema ←
14:01:27 <josema> zakim, drop josema
José Alonso: zakim, drop josema ←
14:01:27 <Zakim> Josema is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Josema is being disconnected ←
14:01:29 <Zakim> -Josema
Zakim IRC Bot: -Josema ←
14:01:45 <Zakim> +Josema
Zakim IRC Bot: +Josema ←
14:02:32 <josema> zakim, aaaa is rachel
José Alonso: zakim, aaaa is rachel ←
14:02:32 <Zakim> +rachel; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +rachel; got it ←
14:02:59 <Zakim> + +1.202.731.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.731.aabb ←
14:03:27 <josema> zakim, aabb is kevin
José Alonso: zakim, aabb is kevin ←
14:03:27 <Zakim> +kevin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +kevin; got it ←
14:03:37 <Zakim> + +1.301.455.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.301.455.aacc ←
14:03:48 <Zakim> + +0203334aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +0203334aadd ←
14:04:06 <josema> zakim, aadd is john
José Alonso: zakim, aadd is john ←
14:04:06 <Zakim> +john; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +john; got it ←
14:05:10 <josema> zakim, aadd is owen
José Alonso: zakim, aadd is owen ←
14:05:10 <Zakim> sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd' ←
14:05:27 <josema> zakim, aaacc is owen
José Alonso: zakim, aaacc is owen ←
14:05:27 <Zakim> sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'aaacc'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'aaacc' ←
14:05:31 <josema> zakim, aacc is owen
José Alonso: zakim, aacc is owen ←
14:05:31 <Zakim> +owen; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +owen; got it ←
14:05:36 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
14:05:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see rachel, Josema, kevin, owen, john
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see rachel, Josema, kevin, owen, john ←
14:05:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see john, Owen, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, darobin, kjetil, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see john, Owen, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, darobin, kjetil, trackbot ←
14:06:07 <josema> agenda+ appoint scribe
José Alonso: agenda+ appoint scribe ←
14:06:13 <josema> agenda+ agenda adjustments
José Alonso: agenda+ agenda adjustments ←
14:06:17 <josema> agenda+ intros
José Alonso: agenda+ intros ←
14:06:23 <josema> agenda+ review of open actions
José Alonso: agenda+ review of open actions ←
14:06:30 <josema> agenda+ review of topic areas
José Alonso: agenda+ review of topic areas ←
14:06:35 <josema> agenda+ next steps
José Alonso: agenda+ next steps ←
14:06:39 <josema> agenda+ next meeting
José Alonso: agenda+ next meeting ←
14:06:42 <josema> agenda?
José Alonso: agenda? ←
14:07:44 <Zakim> +??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←
14:07:58 <kjetil> Zakim, ??P8 is me
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, ??P8 is me ←
14:07:58 <Zakim> +kjetil; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +kjetil; got it ←
14:08:17 <josema> zakim, move to next agendum
José Alonso: zakim, move to next agendum ←
14:08:17 <Zakim> agendum 1. "appoint scribe" taken up [from josema]
14:08:25 <kjetil> Zakim, mute me
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, mute me ←
14:08:25 <Zakim> kjetil should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: kjetil should now be muted ←
14:08:29 <josema> scribe: josema
(Scribe set to José Alonso)
14:08:38 <josema> [usual one I guess]
[usual one I guess] ←
14:09:51 <josema> john: thanks jose
John Sheridan: thanks jose ←
14:09:55 <josema> zakim, move to next agendum
zakim, move to next agendum ←
14:09:55 <Zakim> agendum 2. "agenda adjustments" taken up [from josema]
14:10:07 <kjetil> q+
Kjetil Kjernsmo: q+ ←
14:10:21 <kjetil> ack me
Kjetil Kjernsmo: ack me ←
14:10:45 <josema> john: recaps
John Sheridan: recaps ←
14:10:46 <josema> http://www.w3.org/mid/88A6AFA61447AC4AB9F280FC6747F908117650B2@na-exch1.in.tna.local
http://www.w3.org/mid/88A6AFA61447AC4AB9F280FC6747F908117650B2@na-exch1.in.tna.local ←
14:11:28 <josema> kjetil: can we add current discussion on the list about use cases?
Kjetil Kjernsmo: can we add current discussion on the list about use cases? ←
14:11:44 <josema> kevin: let's do before next steps but after topic areas
Kevin Novak: let's do before next steps but after topic areas ←
14:11:45 <kjetil> Zakim: mute me
14:11:47 <josema> john: ok
John Sheridan: ok ←
14:11:52 <kjetil> Zakim, mute me
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, mute me ←
14:11:52 <Zakim> kjetil should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: kjetil should now be muted ←
14:12:06 <josema> zakim, move to next agendum
zakim, move to next agendum ←
14:12:06 <Zakim> agendum 3. "intros" taken up [from josema]
14:12:13 <josema> zakim, who's here?
zakim, who's here? ←
14:12:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see rachel, Josema, kevin, owen, john, kjetil (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see rachel, Josema, kevin, owen, john, kjetil (muted) ←
14:12:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see Tom, kevin, Rinke, john, Owen, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, darobin, kjetil, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Tom, kevin, Rinke, john, Owen, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, darobin, kjetil, trackbot ←
14:12:25 <josema> john: I think nobody new, right?
John Sheridan: I think nobody new, right? ←
14:12:33 <josema> [nothing heard]
[nothing heard] ←
14:12:58 <josema> zakim, move to next agendum
zakim, move to next agendum ←
14:12:58 <Zakim> agendum 3 was just opened, josema
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 3 was just opened, josema ←
14:12:59 <Zakim> +Rinke
Zakim IRC Bot: +Rinke ←
14:13:05 <Tom> zakim, Rinke is me
Tom van Engers: zakim, Rinke is me ←
14:13:05 <Zakim> +Tom; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Tom; got it ←
14:13:15 <josema> zakim, move to next agendum
zakim, move to next agendum ←
14:13:15 <Zakim> agendum 4. "review of open actions" taken up [from josema]
14:13:17 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/open
http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/open ←
14:14:11 <josema> [agenda at http://www.w3.org/mid/88A6AFA61447AC4AB9F280FC6747F908117650B2@na-exch1.in.tna.local]
[agenda at http://www.w3.org/mid/88A6AFA61447AC4AB9F280FC6747F908117650B2@na-exch1.in.tna.local] ←
14:14:17 <josema> zakim, close ACTION-35
14:14:17 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close ACTION-35', josema
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'close ACTION-35', josema ←
14:14:26 <josema> trackbot, close ACTION-35
14:14:26 <trackbot> ACTION-35 Will prepare agenda and circulate to call pparticipants closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-35 Will prepare agenda and circulate to call pparticipants closed ←
14:14:55 <john> q?
John Sheridan: q? ←
14:15:22 <josema> ACTION-3 and ACTION-12 not pressing
ACTION-3 and ACTION-12 not pressing ←
14:15:52 <josema> john: on ACTION-14
John Sheridan: on ACTION-14 ←
14:16:11 <josema> ...how we could present to organizations how they could present to
...how we could present to organizations how they could present to ←
14:16:35 <kjetil> q+ to say something open standards
Kjetil Kjernsmo: q+ to say something open standards ←
14:16:42 <josema> ...decision makers the benefit of joining
...decision makers the benefit of joining ←
14:16:46 <josema> q?
q? ←
14:17:48 <john> ack kjetil
John Sheridan: ack kjetil ←
14:17:49 <Zakim> kjetil, you wanted to say something open standards
Zakim IRC Bot: kjetil, you wanted to say something open standards ←
14:18:25 <josema> kevin: in this time of economic crisis, we should try to find a way to engage more people, look more closely into the benefits
Kevin Novak: in this time of economic crisis, we should try to find a way to engage more people, look more closely into the benefits ←
14:18:46 <josema> kjetil: engage through open standards
Kjetil Kjernsmo: engage through open standards ←
14:19:10 <josema> kevin: in my experience govs use the "wait and see" approach
Kevin Novak: in my experience govs use the "wait and see" approach ←
14:19:30 <josema> ...we need to convince them to participate in what we are doing
...we need to convince them to participate in what we are doing ←
14:19:52 <josema> john: for a government department Membership fee is expensive ??
John Sheridan: for a government department Membership fee is not expensive ←
14:20:02 <kjetil> Zakim, mute me
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, mute me ←
14:20:02 <Zakim> kjetil should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: kjetil should now be muted ←
14:20:25 <josema> ...need to "sell" the way we work and the level of conversations we have
...need to "sell" the way we work and the level of conversations we have ←
14:20:45 <josema> s/expensive ??/not expensive
14:21:04 <josema> ...compared to other expenditures, the ROI is very good
...compared to other expenditures, the ROI is very good ←
14:21:33 <josema> ...coming back to the action, I'll post something to the Group on how we did it
...coming back to the action, I'll post something to the Group on how we did it ←
14:21:55 <josema> ...how we achieved it, how we showed this is pretty low cost
...how we achieved it, how we showed this is pretty low cost ←
14:24:10 <josema> josema: what about ACTION-30?
José Alonso: what about ACTION-30? ←
14:24:14 <kjetil> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/30
Kjetil Kjernsmo: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/30 ←
14:24:53 <josema> john: draft position paper to tell the workshop we are finding some issues
John Sheridan: draft position paper to tell the workshop we are finding some issues ←
14:25:02 <josema> ...on governments using social media
...on governments using social media ←
14:25:36 <josema> ->http://www.w3.org/2008/09/msnws/ W3C Workshop on the Future of Social Networking
->http://www.w3.org/2008/09/msnws/ W3C Workshop on the Future of Social Networking ←
14:25:36 <josema> Call for Participation
Call for Participation ←
14:26:11 <josema> [deadline for position papers seems to be 20 Nov]
[deadline for position papers seems to be 20 Nov] ←
14:26:31 <josema> ...any additional input?
...any additional input? ←
14:27:03 <josema> kevin: discussion last week, especially with Ari about this, related to TF2
Kevin Novak: discussion last week, especially with Ari about this, related to TF2 ←
14:27:20 <josema> rachel: I have a couple things I could contribute
Rachel Flagg: I have a couple things I could contribute ←
14:27:38 <josema> ...on social media providers building apps for gov ??
...on social media providers building apps for gov ?? ←
14:27:54 <josema> kevin: are you in touch with Michelle Springer (LoC)?
Kevin Novak: are you in touch with Michelle Springer (LoC)? ←
14:27:57 <josema> rachel: yes
Rachel Flagg: yes ←
14:28:12 <josema> ...couple agencies negotiating individually
...couple agencies negotiating individually ←
14:28:30 <josema> ...but we are working on some generic framework/agreement for agencies
...but we are working on some generic framework/agreement for agencies ←
14:28:31 <john> q?
John Sheridan: q? ←
14:28:48 <josema> ...best practices that we could replicate trough providers
...best practices that we could replicate trough providers ←
14:28:58 <josema> ...working on example agreement we could share
...working on example agreement we could share ←
14:29:18 <josema> john: my responsibility is to manage Crown copyright
John Sheridan: my responsibility is to manage Crown copyright ←
14:29:32 <josema> ...some videos posted to YouTube, need to look into that
...some videos posted to YouTube, need to look into that ←
14:29:48 <josema> ...now it's possible to do that
...now it's possible to do that ←
14:30:06 <josema> ...eg. Justice doing this and building Wordpress-based Web site
...eg. Justice doing this and building Wordpress-based Web site ←
14:30:22 <josema> ...integrating this plus images they archive on Flickr, etc.
...integrating this plus images they archive on Flickr, etc. ←
14:30:36 <josema> ...audience is journalists
...target audience is journalists ←
14:30:48 <josema> s/audience/target audience
14:31:13 <josema> ...also National Archives encouraging people to post to Flickr
...also National Archives encouraging people to post to Flickr ←
14:31:25 <josema> ...eg. paper documents
...eg. paper documents ←
14:31:39 <josema> ...some copyright issues to be solved, but once done, powerful stuff
...some copyright issues to be solved, but once done, powerful stuff ←
14:31:46 <josema> ...we've just started last week
...we've just started last week ←
14:32:08 <josema> kevin: reference point, LoC, you all probably remember Commons
Kevin Novak: reference point, LoC, you all probably remember Commons ←
14:32:12 <john> q?
John Sheridan: q? ←
14:32:25 <josema> ...project with Flickr, tremendous partcipation
...project with Flickr, tremendous participation ←
14:32:42 <josema> s/partcipation/participation
14:32:50 <josema> john: we actually use LoC example
John Sheridan: we actually use LoC example ←
14:33:12 <josema> ...much easier to show when someone already started
...much easier to show when someone already started ←
14:33:37 <josema> ...understood as not so risky
...understood as not so risky ←
14:33:54 <josema> john: I'll post something a bit later wrt the paper
John Sheridan: I'll post something a bit later wrt the paper ←
14:34:06 <josema> ...please rachel do same if possible within the next 24 hours
...please rachel do same if possible within the next 24 hours ←
14:34:26 <josema> ...I take responsibility of putting it together, a draft we can submit
...I take responsibility of putting it together, a draft we can submit ←
14:34:45 <josema> agenda?
agenda? ←
14:35:46 <josema> agenda+ structure/submission of use cases
agenda+ structure/submission of use cases ←
14:35:48 <josema> agenda?
agenda? ←
14:35:56 <john> q?
John Sheridan: q? ←
14:36:14 <josema> zakim, take up agendum 8
zakim, take up agendum 8 ←
14:36:14 <Zakim> agendum 8. "structure/submission of use cases" taken up [from josema]
14:36:23 <kjetil> Zakim, unmute me
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:36:23 <Zakim> kjetil should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: kjetil should no longer be muted ←
14:36:43 <josema> kjetil: discussion on how to submit use cases
Kjetil Kjernsmo: discussion on how to submit use cases ←
14:37:05 <josema> ...started with me submitting one on "Semantic My Page"
...started with me submitting one on "Semantic My Page" ←
14:37:44 <josema> ->http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Use_Case_Semantic_MyPage Use Case:"Semantic My Page"
->http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Use_Case_Semantic_MyPage Use Case:"Semantic My Page" ←
14:38:18 <kjetil> darobin, are you on the call?
Kjetil Kjernsmo: darobin, are you on the call? ←
14:38:22 <john> q?
John Sheridan: q? ←
14:38:24 <Zakim> -Josema
Zakim IRC Bot: -Josema ←
14:38:39 <Zakim> +Josema
Zakim IRC Bot: +Josema ←
14:39:21 <josema> ...jose mentioned SWEO, also POWDER and EXI prior experience, which is different from SWEO
...jose mentioned SWEO, mealso POWDER and EXI prior experience, which is different from SWEO ←
14:39:43 <josema> ...it's important for the Group to work around use cases that people will commit to write
...it's important for the Group to work around use cases that people will commit to write ←
14:39:57 <josema> ...not just those that look appealing to some
...not just those that look appealing to some ←
14:40:19 <john> q?
John Sheridan: q? ←
14:40:35 <josema> s/SWEO, /SWEO, me
14:40:57 <josema> john: developing use cases in topic areas is what I believe we should be doing
John Sheridan: developing use cases in topic areas is what I believe we should be doing ←
14:41:14 <josema> ...if I understand you right, you propose to add an extra step to filter them?
...if I understand you right, you propose to add an extra step to filter them? ←
14:41:43 <josema> kjetil: how narrow are the topic areas? how people in the Group feel about them?
Kjetil Kjernsmo: how narrow are the topic areas? how people in the Group feel about them? ←
14:42:16 <josema> john: I think it gives a pretty clear idea of where we are heading to
John Sheridan: I think it gives a pretty clear idea of where we are heading to ←
14:42:37 <josema> ...conclusion at the F2F was that use cases should exemplify those to capture
...conclusion at the F2F was that use cases should exemplify those to capture ←
14:42:43 <josema> ...government requirements
...government requirements ←
14:42:58 <josema> ...they are fairly broad, maybe quite government centric
...they are fairly broad, maybe quite government centric ←
14:43:13 <josema> kjetil: should they be even more use case driven?
Kjetil Kjernsmo: should they be even more use case driven? ←
14:43:27 <john> q?
John Sheridan: q? ←
14:43:43 <josema> ...should we try to go beyond that and think how governments should work in the future?
...should we try to go beyond that and think how governments should work in the future? ←
14:44:02 <josema> john: do you mean what might be possible in five years time?
John Sheridan: do you mean what might be possible in five years time? ←
14:44:23 <josema> ...or what we should improve from now in the next five years?
...or what we should improve from now in the next five years? ←
14:44:29 <josema> kjetil: good observation
Kjetil Kjernsmo: good observation ←
14:45:16 <josema> ...I think that being use case driven we should be able to narrow the scope more
...I think that being use case driven we should be able to narrow the scope more ←
14:45:39 <josema> ...could help us in deciding what kind of focus we want
...could help us in deciding what kind of focus we want ←
14:46:05 <josema> john: for me right now, it's clear that we need to document the topic areas
John Sheridan: for me right now, it's clear that we need to document the topic areas ←
14:46:16 <john> q?
John Sheridan: q? ←
14:46:19 <josema> ...we already have, that would mean we have captured *something*
...we already have, that would mean we have captured *something* ←
14:46:25 <josema> kevin: +1
Kevin Novak: +1 ←
14:46:41 <josema> ...we need to focus on the ones we have, build use cases and then proceed forward
...we need to focus on the ones we have, build use cases and then proceed forward ←
14:47:00 <kjetil> Zakim, who is noisy?
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, who is noisy? ←
14:47:10 <Zakim> kjetil, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: kevin (4%), kjetil (50%)
Zakim IRC Bot: kjetil, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: kevin (4%), kjetil (50%) ←
14:47:30 <josema> kjetil: can people agree on the progress?
Kjetil Kjernsmo: can people agree on the progress? ←
14:47:39 <josema> ...on the model for use case collection?
...on the model for use case collection? ←
14:48:00 <josema> ...a distillation of things we can build consensus around and not verbatim copy of the use cases?
...a distillation of things we can build consensus around and not verbatim copy of the use cases? ←
14:48:11 <john> q?
John Sheridan: q? ←
14:48:35 <josema> john: we have to do more that just capture them, I agree with that
John Sheridan: we have to do more that just capture them, I agree with that ←
14:49:04 <john> ack darobin
John Sheridan: ack darobin ←
14:50:49 <josema> kjetil: we need to make sure that we don't get out of scope
Kjetil Kjernsmo: we need to make sure that we don't get out of scope ←
14:50:51 <john> q?
John Sheridan: q? ←
14:51:01 <josema> ...avoid things on the use cases that nobody will work on ??
...avoid things on the use cases that nobody will work on ?? ←
14:51:06 <josema> john: +1
John Sheridan: +1 ←
14:51:09 <josema> kevin: +1
Kevin Novak: +1 ←
14:51:30 <john> ack kevin
John Sheridan: ack kevin ←
14:52:04 <josema> john: I think is important for business interest from my organization to identify some of the things
John Sheridan: I think is important for business interest from my organization to identify some of the things ←
14:52:10 <Zakim> -rachel
Zakim IRC Bot: -rachel ←
14:52:11 <josema> ...we have been talking about
...we have been talking about ←
14:52:17 <josema> [rachel leaves call]
[rachel leaves call] ←
14:52:43 <kjetil> Zakim, mute me
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, mute me ←
14:52:43 <Zakim> kjetil should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: kjetil should now be muted ←
14:52:54 <josema> kjetil: we are in brainstorming mode for now, we should try not to prevent people to brainstorm yet ???
Kjetil Kjernsmo: we are in brainstorming mode for now, we should try not to prevent people from brainstorming, but we need to chop down to limit the scope for the Note ←
14:52:56 <josema> agenda?
agenda? ←
14:53:04 <josema> zakim, take up agendum 5
zakim, take up agendum 5 ←
14:53:04 <Zakim> agendum 5. "review of topic areas" taken up [from josema]
14:53:47 <josema> john: we structured these in terms of TF work
John Sheridan: we structured these in terms of TF work ←
14:53:53 <josema> [ 5.1 Taskforce 1
[ 5.1 Taskforce 1 ←
14:53:54 <josema> Semantic Interoperability
Semantic Interoperability ←
14:53:54 <josema> Persistent URIs
Persistent URIs ←
14:53:54 <josema> Identification + Authentication
Identification + Authentication ←
14:53:54 <josema> Digital Preservation + Authenticity
Digital Preservation + Authenticity ←
14:53:55 <josema> Temporal Data]
Temporal Data] ←
14:54:04 <josema> zakim, who's here?
zakim, who's here? ←
14:54:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josema, kevin, owen, john, kjetil (muted), Tom
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Josema, kevin, owen, john, kjetil (muted), Tom ←
14:54:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see Owen, Tom, kevin, Rinke, john, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, darobin, kjetil, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Owen, Tom, kevin, Rinke, john, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, darobin, kjetil, trackbot ←
14:54:08 <kjetil> s/ to brainstorm yet ???/ from brainstorming, but we need to chop down to limit the scope for the Note/
14:54:37 <josema> john: I'd like to hear opinions from those on the call about the structure
John Sheridan: I'd like to hear opinions from those on the call about the structure ←
14:55:30 <josema> ...if you believe all of the above fit in TF1 or not
...if you believe all of the above fit in TF1 or not ←
14:57:07 <josema> I've added "13.Multi channel delivery" to http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Use_Cases#topics , still not sure about the opinion of the Chairs/Group if that was really missing
I've added "13.Multi channel delivery" to http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Use_Cases#topics , still not sure about the opinion of the Chairs/Group if that was really missing ←
14:58:04 <john> q?
John Sheridan: q? ←
14:58:10 <kjetil> q+
Kjetil Kjernsmo: q+ ←
14:58:15 <josema> q?
q? ←
14:58:18 <john> ack kjetil
John Sheridan: ack kjetil ←
14:58:36 <josema> kjetil: I think it looks good but don't think it should be set in stone
Kjetil Kjernsmo: I think it looks good but don't think it should be set in stone ←
14:58:44 <josema> ...until we produce the note
...until we produce the note ←
14:59:03 <josema> john: you mean we should allow topic areas to flow between TFs?
John Sheridan: you mean we should allow topic areas to flow between TFs? ←
14:59:20 <josema> kjetil: yes, once published the use cases note it should be fairly strict
Kjetil Kjernsmo: yes, once published the use cases note it should be fairly strict ←
15:00:00 <kjetil> Zakim, mute me
Kjetil Kjernsmo: Zakim, mute me ←
15:00:00 <Zakim> kjetil should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: kjetil should now be muted ←
15:01:31 <josema> josema: two questions: is 13 really missing or not? and has TF coordinators agreed on the distribution of use cases, namely, do they have resources to commit?
José Alonso: two questions: is 13 really missing or not? and have TF coordinators agreed on the distribution of use cases, namely, do they have resources to commit? ←
15:01:49 <kevin> yes
Kevin Novak: yes ←
15:01:54 <josema> s/has/have
15:02:05 <kevin> they each mentioned that they have the resources
Kevin Novak: they each mentioned that they have the resources ←
15:03:07 <josema> great news :)
great news :) ←
15:03:11 <josema> 13?
13? ←
15:03:47 <josema> john: I don't recall us talking about this at the Chairs meeting
John Sheridan: I don't recall us talking about this at the Chairs meeting ←
15:03:51 <josema> kevin: me neither
Kevin Novak: me neither ←
15:03:54 <josema> opinion?
opinion? ←
15:04:01 <josema> I can take it!
I can take it! ←
15:04:03 <josema> :)
:) ←
15:05:38 <josema> john: we may deal with 13 as well as 4 and 6 ?
John Sheridan: we may deal with 13 as well as 4 and 6 ? ←
15:06:10 <josema> ...postponing them for now
...postponing them for now ←
15:06:22 <Zakim> -Tom
Zakim IRC Bot: -Tom ←
15:06:40 <josema> ...unless someone could take any and move them forward at any point in time
...unless someone could take any and move them forward at any point in time ←
15:06:53 <josema> [rinke, tom leave call]
[rinke, tom leave call] ←
15:07:38 <josema> kevin: we could send a message to the list and see if someone is interested in going forward ??
Kevin Novak: we could send a message to the list and see if someone is interested in going forward ?? ←
15:07:41 <josema> john_ good idea
John Sheridan: good idea ←
15:07:48 <josema> s/john_/john:
15:08:36 <josema> ACTION john to post and ask around about 4, 6, 13
ACTION john to post and ask around about 4, 6, 13 ←
15:08:36 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - john
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - john ←
15:08:36 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jwonderl, jsherida)
Trackbot IRC Bot: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jwonderl, jsherida) ←
15:08:43 <josema> ACTION jsherida to post and ask around about 4, 6, 13
ACTION jsherida to post and ask around about 4, 6, 13 ←
15:08:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-36 - Post and ask around about 4, 6, 13 [on John Sheridan - due 2008-11-19].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-36 - Post and ask around about 4, 6, 13 [on John Sheridan - due 2008-11-19]. ←
15:09:34 <josema> john: let's review the topic areas aligned with TF2
John Sheridan: let's review the topic areas aligned with TF2 ←
15:09:40 <josema> [ Performance Data + Citizen Choice
[ Performance Data + Citizen Choice ←
15:09:41 <josema> What Data? How does the government decide?
What Data? How does the government decide? ←
15:09:41 <josema> Participation in Social Media; what are the rules ?]
Participation in Social Media; what are the rules ?] ←
15:10:13 <josema> john: any comment about those three or their relation to TF2?
John Sheridan: any comment about those three or their relation to TF2? ←
15:10:30 <josema> [none heard]
[none heard] ←
15:10:49 <josema> john: an observation on the issue of performance data
John Sheridan: an observation on the issue of performance data ←
15:11:13 <josema> ...a colleague of mine asked recently people if they use decision support tools
...a colleague of mine asked recently people if they use decision support tools ←
15:11:32 <josema> ...eg tripadvisor to plan a holiday: majority said "yes"
...eg tripadvisor to plan a holiday: majority said "yes" ←
15:11:51 <josema> ...same question on using public services, nobody said "yes"
...same question on using public services, nobody said "yes" ←
15:12:19 <john> q?
John Sheridan: q? ←
15:12:25 <josema> ...of course, to be able to do that, eg. "holidays were good", "restaurant was good" you need some performance data
...of course, to be able to do that, eg. "holidays were good", "restaurant was good" you need some performance data ←
15:12:48 <josema> john: moving to TF3
John Sheridan: moving to TF3 ←
15:13:06 <josema> [Data Aggregation
[Data Aggregation ←
15:13:06 <josema> Your Web Site is your API]
Your Web Site is your API] ←
15:13:37 <josema> john: I know that "Your Web Site is your API" is something that Oscar is keen on taking on
John Sheridan: I know that "Your Web Site is your API" is something that Oscar is keen on taking on ←
15:14:06 <josema> kevin: there was a discussion on the Chairs call with the connection between TF3 and TF1
Kevin Novak: there was a discussion on the Chairs call with the connection between TF3 and TF1 ←
15:14:26 <josema> ...on some of this, they agreed on talking to each other, find out where's the overlap
...on some of this, they agreed on talking to each other, find out where's the overlap ←
15:14:29 <josema> ...then proceed
...then proceed ←
15:14:32 <john> q?
John Sheridan: q? ←
15:15:23 <josema> agenda?
agenda? ←
15:15:34 <josema> zakim, close agendum 4
zakim, close agendum 4 ←
15:15:34 <Zakim> agendum 4, review of open actions, closed
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 4, review of open actions, closed ←
15:15:35 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
Zakim IRC Bot: I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is ←
15:15:36 <Zakim> 5. review of topic areas [from josema]
Zakim IRC Bot: 5. review of topic areas [from josema] ←
15:15:48 <josema> zakim, close agendum 5
zakim, close agendum 5 ←
15:15:48 <Zakim> agendum 5, review of topic areas, closed
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 5, review of topic areas, closed ←
15:15:49 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
Zakim IRC Bot: I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is ←
15:15:50 <josema> zakim, close agendum 8
zakim, close agendum 8 ←
15:15:50 <Zakim> 6. next steps [from josema]
Zakim IRC Bot: 6. next steps [from josema] ←
15:15:51 <Zakim> agendum 8, structure/submission of use cases, closed
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 8, structure/submission of use cases, closed ←
15:15:52 <josema> agenda?
agenda? ←
15:15:52 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
Zakim IRC Bot: I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is ←
15:15:53 <Zakim> 6. next steps [from josema]
Zakim IRC Bot: 6. next steps [from josema] ←
15:17:03 <josema> john: next steps, we encouraged the TF coordinators to go ahead, take some actions *soon*
John Sheridan: next steps, we encouraged the TF coordinators to go ahead, take some actions *soon* ←
15:17:21 <josema> kevin: agree, if not we'll be distracted because of the holidays
Kevin Novak: agree, if not we'll be distracted because of the holidays ←
15:17:40 <josema> john: hopefully, we'll have some work to review on the next Group call
John Sheridan: hopefully, we'll have some work to review on the next Group call ←
15:18:00 <josema> ...so next step is get done existing actions
...so next step is get done existing actions ←
15:18:40 <josema> kevin: I'll talk to TF coordinators to have this going
Kevin Novak: I'll talk to TF coordinators to have this going ←
15:19:00 <josema> john: so you'll check if something done by them during the last week
John Sheridan: so you'll check if something done by them during the last week ←
15:19:26 <josema> ...and then back to existing actions
...and then back to existing actions ←
15:19:28 <josema> ??
?? ←
15:20:23 <josema> kevin: will also talk to tanya, randeep wrt spring workshop ???
Kevin Novak: will also talk to tanya, randeep wrt spring workshop ??? ←
15:20:46 <josema> john: not much more to say, just energize the Group, please go ahead
John Sheridan: not much more to say, just energize the Group, please go ahead ←
15:20:53 <josema> kevin: +1
Kevin Novak: +1 ←
15:20:58 <josema> move to next agendum
move to next agendum ←
15:20:58 <Zakim> agendum 6. "next steps" taken up [from josema]
15:21:03 <josema> move to next agendum
move to next agendum ←
15:21:03 <Zakim> agendum 6 was just opened, josema
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 6 was just opened, josema ←
15:21:10 <josema> zakim, close agendum 6
zakim, close agendum 6 ←
15:21:10 <Zakim> agendum 6, next steps, closed
Zakim IRC Bot: agendum 6, next steps, closed ←
15:21:11 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
Zakim IRC Bot: I see 1 item remaining on the agenda: ←
15:21:12 <Zakim> 7. next meeting [from josema]
Zakim IRC Bot: 7. next meeting [from josema] ←
15:21:13 <josema> move to next agendum
move to next agendum ←
15:21:13 <Zakim> agendum 7. "next meeting" taken up [from josema]
15:21:35 <josema> john: next meeting: 26 Nov, 12:00Z
John Sheridan: next meeting: 26 Nov, 12:00Z ←
15:22:06 <josema> kevin: it's thanksgiving week in the US, people in the government usually drop off completely that week
Kevin Novak: it's thanksgiving week in the US, people in the government usually drop off completely that week ←
15:23:09 <josema> ...we can leave the date as is and query the Group later to see
...we can leave the date as is and query the Group later to see ←
15:23:11 <josema> john: +1
John Sheridan: +1 ←
15:23:19 <josema> ...so let's stick to the 26th
...so let's stick to the 26th ←
15:25:16 <josema> ...I expect similar agenda structure
...I expect similar agenda structure ←
15:25:28 <josema> ...anything else before we adjounr?
...anything else before we adjourn? ←
15:25:38 <josema> s/adjounr/adjourn
15:26:02 <josema> [ADJOURNED]
[ADJOURNED] ←
15:26:03 <Zakim> -kjetil
Zakim IRC Bot: -kjetil ←
15:26:06 <Zakim> -owen
Zakim IRC Bot: -owen ←
15:26:08 <Zakim> -kevin
Zakim IRC Bot: -kevin ←
15:26:24 <Zakim> -john
Zakim IRC Bot: -john ←
15:26:25 <kevin> thank you all
Kevin Novak: thank you all ←
15:26:35 <josema> rrsagent, draf minutes
rrsagent, draf minutes ←
15:26:35 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draf minutes', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'draf minutes', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help ←
15:26:38 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
rrsagent, draft minutes ←
15:26:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-egov-minutes.html josema
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15:26:46 <josema> zakim, list attendants
zakim, list attendants ←
15:26:46 <Zakim> I don't understand 'list attendants', josema
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'list attendants', josema ←
15:26:52 <josema> rrsagent, list attendants
rrsagent, list attendants ←
15:26:52 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendants', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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15:27:25 <josema> list attendees
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15:27:31 <josema> zakim, list attendees
zakim, list attendees ←
15:27:31 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.509.464.aaaa, Josema, rachel, +1.202.731.aabb, kevin, +1.301.455.aacc, +0203334aadd, john, owen, kjetil, Tom
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been +1.509.464.aaaa, Josema, rachel, +1.202.731.aabb, kevin, +1.301.455.aacc, +0203334aadd, john, owen, kjetil, Tom ←
15:29:27 <josema> present: kevin. john, rachel, owen, kjetil, jose, tom, rinke
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15:29:34 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
rrsagent, draft minutes ←
15:29:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/11/12-egov-minutes.html josema
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15:30:03 <josema> chair: john, kevin
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15:30:07 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:30:13 <Zakim> -Josema
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15:30:14 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended
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15:30:16 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.509.464.aaaa, Josema, rachel, +1.202.731.aabb, kevin, +1.301.455.aacc, +0203334aadd, john, owen, kjetil, Tom
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.509.464.aaaa, Josema, rachel, +1.202.731.aabb, kevin, +1.301.455.aacc, +0203334aadd, john, owen, kjetil, Tom ←
16:18:08 <josema> rrsagent, bye
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