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15:02:06 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-egov-irc
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15:02:08 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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15:02:10 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be EGOV ←
15:02:11 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
15:02:11 <trackbot> Date: 08 October 2008
15:02:30 <josema> chair: john, kevin
15:02:34 <josema> scribe: josema
(Scribe set to José Alonso)
15:02:44 <josema> zakim, who's here?
zakim, who's here? ←
15:02:44 <Zakim> sorry, josema, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, josema, I don't know what conference this is ←
15:02:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot ←
15:03:06 <josema> zakim, this is egov
zakim, this is egov ←
15:03:07 <Zakim> ok, josema; that matches T&S_EGOV()11:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, josema; that matches T&S_EGOV()11:00AM ←
15:03:14 <josema> zakim, who's here?
zakim, who's here? ←
15:03:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see +0203334aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +0203334aaaa ←
15:03:30 <josema> zakim, call josema-office
zakim, call josema-office ←
15:03:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot ←
15:03:41 <Zakim> ok, josema; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, josema; the call is being made ←
15:03:44 <Zakim> +Josema
Zakim IRC Bot: +Josema ←
15:04:15 <josema> zakim, aaaa is john
zakim, aaaa is john ←
15:04:28 <josema> zakim, who's here?
zakim, who's here? ←
15:04:38 <Zakim> +john; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +john; got it ←
15:04:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see john, Josema
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see john, Josema ←
15:05:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot ←
15:07:20 <josema> q?
q? ←
15:07:34 <Zakim> + +1.202.626.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.626.aabb ←
15:07:38 <josema> zakim, who's here?
zakim, who's here? ←
15:07:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see john, Josema, +1.202.626.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see john, Josema, +1.202.626.aabb ←
15:07:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot ←
15:07:51 <josema> zakim, aabb is kevin
zakim, aabb is kevin ←
15:07:51 <Zakim> +kevin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +kevin; got it ←
15:08:12 <josema> zakim, who's here?
zakim, who's here? ←
15:08:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see john, Josema, kevin
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see john, Josema, kevin ←
15:08:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot ←
15:10:57 <josema> q?
q? ←
15:15:06 <josema> [some talk about previous Group call and some frustration]
[some talk about previous Group call and some frustration] ←
15:15:35 <josema> john: I believe we need to define very clearly a number of small tasks
John Sheridan: I believe we need to define very clearly a number of small tasks ←
15:15:40 <josema> ... in advance of the F2F
... in advance of the F2F ←
15:16:22 <josema> ... and build something from the week before until the week after
... and build something from the week before until the week after ←
15:17:01 <josema> kevin: tried this with the use cases back around July
Kevin Novak: tried this with the use cases back around July ←
15:17:28 <josema> ... didn't seem to work despite a couple were uploaded
... didn't seem to work despite a couple were uploaded ←
15:18:06 <josema> ... then some discussion about micromanaging people or not
... then some discussion about micromanaging people or not ←
15:18:13 <josema> ... some seem to prefer, some not
... some seem to prefer, some not ←
15:18:45 <josema> john: we might want to be a bit more prescriptive at least
John Sheridan: we might want to be a bit more prescriptive at least ←
15:18:51 <josema> ... for the days around the F2F
... for the days around the F2F ←
15:20:00 <josema> kevin: sometimes is difficult to do that on the phone
Kevin Novak: sometimes is difficult to do that on the phone ←
15:20:08 <josema> ... let's take advantage of the F2F
... let's take advantage of the F2F ←
15:20:21 <josema> john: in any case, next Group call we should review the use cases
John Sheridan: in any case, next Group call we should review the use cases ←
15:20:43 <josema> ... we have and let people refine them or add before F2F for one week
... we have and let people refine them or add before F2F for one week ←
15:21:03 <josema> ... then discuss at the F2F, building it around the use cases
... then discuss at the F2F, building it around the use cases ←
15:21:20 <josema> ... shaping them and come up with the real set we want to solve
... shaping them and come up with the real set we want to solve ←
15:21:35 <josema> ... see a week after if we are missing any important
... see a week after if we are missing any important ←
15:22:05 <josema> kevin: if we could do that, I'd be satisfied
Kevin Novak: if we could do that, I'd be satisfied ←
15:22:57 <josema> john: we could say that if you don't have a case you need to produce one
John Sheridan: we could say that if you don't have a case you need to produce one ←
15:23:47 <josema> [use cases so far: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Use_Cases]
[use cases so far: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Use_Cases] ←
15:25:36 <josema> jose: we tried use cases before, did not work
José Alonso: we tried use cases before, did not work ←
15:25:49 <josema> ... if we do it this time, should be much more specific tasks
... if we do it this time, should be much more specific tasks ←
15:25:58 <josema> ... agree with John's view here
... agree with John's view here ←
15:26:25 <josema> john: it does not have very deep, but individuals should leave
John Sheridan: it does not have very deep, but individuals should leave ←
15:26:31 <josema> ... with a clear idea on what to work
... with a clear idea on what to work ←
15:26:58 <josema> [http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Inventory]
[http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Inventory] ←
15:28:14 <josema> jose: how to start the list?
José Alonso: how to start the list? ←
15:28:23 <josema> kevin: let's do it by email
Kevin Novak: let's do it by email ←
15:30:25 <Zakim> + +34.98.439.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +34.98.439.aacc ←
15:30:38 <josema> zakim, aacc is oscar
zakim, aacc is oscar ←
15:30:38 <Zakim> +oscar; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +oscar; got it ←
15:30:58 <josema> jose: what about reviewing WebArch?
José Alonso: what about reviewing WebArch? ←
15:31:22 <josema> [http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/]
[http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/] ←
15:37:19 <josema> ... eg. persistence of URIs
(No events recorded for 5 minutes)
... eg. persistence of URIs ←
15:37:35 <josema> zakim oscar is OCR
15:37:40 <josema> zakim, oscar is OCR
zakim, oscar is OCR ←
15:37:40 <Zakim> +OCR; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +OCR; got it ←
15:37:57 <josema> s/zakim oscar is OCR//
15:40:54 <josema> john: also a problem of accountability in several cases
John Sheridan: also a problem of accountability in several cases ←
15:41:15 <josema> ... besides the WebArch
... besides the WebArch ←
15:41:20 <josema> ... I could write that one
... I could write that one ←
15:41:25 <josema> jose: please, do
José Alonso: please, do ←
15:42:16 <josema> .. .talk about agenda for next Group call and F2F?
.. .talk about agenda for next Group call and F2F? ←
15:42:47 <josema> john: yes, next call let's focus on get specific tasks
John Sheridan: yes, next call let's focus on get specific tasks ←
15:43:07 <josema> ... list of areas for use cases by email
... list of areas for use cases by email ←
15:43:13 <josema> ... we should have it by Monday
... we should have it by Monday ←
15:43:28 <josema> kevin: it's likely I could not make it to the F2F
Kevin Novak: it's likely I could not make it to the F2F ←
15:43:38 <josema> ... prefer to defer to you how to build the structure
... prefer to defer to you how to build the structure ←
15:44:39 <josema> john: would like to have two rounds at the F2F
John Sheridan: would like to have two rounds at the F2F ←
15:44:46 <josema> .. first day list and review cases
.. first day list and review cases ←
15:44:52 <josema> ... second: go through them again
.... second: go through them again ←
15:45:01 <josema> s/../...
15:45:40 <josema> ... taking what we have learned on day 1 and take it to the next phase
... taking what we have learned on day 1 and take it to the next phase ←
15:45:42 <josema> ... around themes
... around themes ←
15:48:56 <josema> oscar: we might need to outline the document during the F2F
Oscar Azanon Esteire: we might need to outline the document during the F2F ←
15:49:10 <josema> jose: editing at W3C is a science on its own ;)
José Alonso: editing at W3C is a science on its own ;) ←
15:49:23 <josema> john: if we can setup the main themes by the next call
John Sheridan: if we can setup the main themes by the next call ←
15:49:31 <josema> ... that should give us the basic outline of the document
... that should give us the basic outline of the document ←
15:49:52 <josema> ... also structure of our F2F two days
... also structure of our F2F two days ←
15:50:41 <josema> ... we should not underestimate the amount of work to coordinate
... we should not underestimate the amount of work to coordinate ←
15:50:49 <josema> ... the various contributions
... the various contributions ←
15:50:54 <josema> ... but key is structure
... but key is structure ←
15:53:06 <josema> jose: SEMIC.EU is sending a rep, discussed about presentation
José Alonso: SEMIC.EU is sending a rep, discussed about presentation ←
15:53:25 <josema> john: could be interested, could bring a theme to our discussion
John Sheridan: could be interested, could bring a theme to our discussion ←
15:53:28 <josema> ... and maybe some use cases
... and maybe some use cases ←
15:53:54 <josema> ... if he wants to speak is fine
... if he wants to speak is fine ←
15:56:43 <josema> ... also IDABC summary
... also IDABC summary ←
15:56:54 <josema> jose: I could do 5 minutes on that
José Alonso: I could do 5 minutes on that ←
15:57:46 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/TPAC2008
http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/TPAC2008 ←
16:00:17 <josema> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/AC-Agenda AC Agenda
-> http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/AC-Agenda AC Agenda ←
16:02:42 <josema> ACTION kevin to discuss themes by email by Monday
ACTION kevin to discuss themes by email by Monday ←
16:02:42 <trackbot> Created ACTION-10 - Discuss themes by email by Monday [on Kevin Novak - due 2008-10-15].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-10 - Discuss themes by email by Monday [on Kevin Novak - due 2008-10-15]. ←
16:02:52 <josema> ACTION john to discuss themes by email by Monday
ACTION john to discuss themes by email by Monday ←
16:02:52 <trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - john
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - john ←
16:02:52 <trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jwonderl, jsherida)
Trackbot IRC Bot: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jwonderl, jsherida) ←
16:03:07 <josema> ACTION jsherida to discuss themes by email by Monday
ACTION jsherida to discuss themes by email by Monday ←
16:03:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-11 - Discuss themes by email by Monday [on John Sheridan - due 2008-10-15].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-11 - Discuss themes by email by Monday [on John Sheridan - due 2008-10-15]. ←
16:03:27 <Zakim> -kevin
Zakim IRC Bot: -kevin ←
16:03:37 <Zakim> -Josema
Zakim IRC Bot: -Josema ←
16:03:39 <Zakim> -OCR
Scribe problem: the name 'OCR' does not match any of the 39 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Ilker Karakas Jeffrey Sonstein John Sheridan John Wonderlich José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Laila Benhlima Malcolm Crompton Martin Mollema Mercedes Clark-Smith Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Zakim IRC Bot: -OCR ←
16:03:41 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()11:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV()11:00AM has ended ←
16:03:45 <Zakim> Attendees were +0203334aaaa, Josema, john, +1.202.626.aabb, kevin, +34.98.439.aacc, OCR
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +0203334aaaa, Josema, john, +1.202.626.aabb, kevin, +34.98.439.aacc, OCR ←
16:03:56 <josema> [John to start discussion]
[John to start discussion] ←
16:04:03 <josema> [ADJOURNED]
[ADJOURNED] ←
16:04:09 <josema> zakim, who's here?
zakim, who's here? ←
16:04:09 <Zakim> apparently T&S_EGOV()11:00AM has ended, josema
Zakim IRC Bot: apparently T&S_EGOV()11:00AM has ended, josema ←
16:04:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see OCR, Zakim, RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see OCR, Zakim, RRSAgent, josema, John, kjetil, trackbot ←
16:04:16 <josema> zakim, who was here?
zakim, who was here? ←
16:04:16 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, josema.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, josema. ←
16:04:31 <josema> RRSAgent, draft minutes
RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
16:04:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-egov-minutes.html josema ←
16:04:55 <josema> RRSAgent, make minutes public
RRSAgent, make minutes public ←
16:04:55 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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16:05:05 <josema> RRSAgent, stop logging
RRSAgent, stop logging ←
16:05:05 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'stop logging', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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16:05:11 <josema> RRSAgent, stop
RRSAgent, stop ←
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