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14:18:16 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:18:18 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP
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14:18:18 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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14:18:19 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
14:18:19 <trackbot> Date: 27 November 2015
14:18:26 <riccardoAlbertoni> q?
Riccardo Albertoni: q? ←
14:18:34 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:18:54 <yaso> Sorry, just lost my connexion for some seconds :-/
Yaso Córdova: Sorry, just lost my connexion for some seconds :-/ ←
14:19:14 <yaso> Did not see you at the q, antoine
Yaso Córdova: Did not see you at the q, antoine ←
14:19:17 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:19:24 <deirdrelee> antoine: decision depends on discussions with Jeremy, we are on two different approaches. resolution not in sight
Antoine Isaac: decision depends on discussions with Jeremy, we are on two different approaches. resolution not in sight [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:19:32 <deirdrelee> ... but your comments are really useful
Deirdre Lee: ... but your comments are really useful ←
14:19:39 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
14:19:41 <antoine> q-
Antoine Isaac: q- ←
14:19:50 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
14:19:52 <ericstephan> q-
Eric Stephan: q- ←
14:20:24 <deirdrelee> topic: Data Usage Vocabulary
14:20:32 <yaso> ack ericstephan
Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan ←
14:20:56 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: this is partly holiday week,so sumit and i haven't had time to get together
Eric Stephan: this is partly holiday week,so sumit and i haven't had time to get together [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:21:11 <deirdrelee> ... really do need feedback on actions, so hoping we can cover some of the issues today
Deirdre Lee: ... really do need feedback on actions, so hoping we can cover some of the issues today ←
14:21:24 <deirdrelee> ... still on track to put out a new revision before Christmas
Deirdre Lee: ... still on track to put out a new revision before Christmas ←
14:22:16 <ericstephan> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html
Eric Stephan: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html ←
14:22:55 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/214
Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/214 ←
14:23:01 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: we didn't have issue numbers integrated into document, but now we do
Eric Stephan: we didn't have issue numbers integrated into document, but now we do [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:23:53 <deirdrelee> ... before last week's meting, Joao Paulo gave lots of feedback on this issue. This is to do with the citation model
Deirdre Lee: ... before last week's meting, Joao Paulo gave lots of feedback on this issue. This is to do with the citation model ←
14:24:15 <BernadetteLoscio> hello! I'm sorry... I'm late :(
Bernadette Farias Loscio: hello! I'm sorry... I'm late :( ←
14:24:30 <deirdrelee> ... an agent can be an organisation, person, or project so question was could we use prov:agent
Deirdre Lee: ... an agent can be an organisation, person, or project so question was could we use prov:agent ←
14:24:57 <yaso> hi Bernadette!
Yaso Córdova: hi Bernadette! ←
14:24:57 <deirdrelee> ... joao paulo said that foaf: agent is more experimental, so better not to use
Deirdre Lee: ... joao paulo said that foaf: agent is more experimental, so better not to use ←
14:25:16 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
14:25:27 <deirdrelee> ... also bad practice to extend prov:agent that's defined in another vocabulary (?)
Deirdre Lee: ... also bad practice to extend prov:agent that's defined in another vocabulary (?) ←
14:26:04 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:26:04 <deirdrelee> ... but we still need to define a distributor or publisher that's a project.
Deirdre Lee: ... but we still need to define a distributor or publisher that's a project. ←
14:26:15 <yaso> ack antoine
Yaso Córdova: ack antoine ←
14:26:16 <deirdrelee> antoine:
Antoine Isaac: [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:27:17 <antoine> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html#Class:Dimension
Antoine Isaac: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html#Class:Dimension ←
14:27:19 <deirdrelee> antoine: it's not good practice to overload classes with new things. if prov:agent is not yet meant to capture project, then it might not be good to include foaf:project, especially if not stable
Antoine Isaac: it's not good practice to overload classes with new things. if prov:agent is not yet meant to capture project, then it might not be good to include foaf:project, especially if not stable [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:27:34 <deirdrelee> ... other point is that if an umbrella class is necessary at all?
Deirdre Lee: ... other point is that if an umbrella class is necessary at all? ←
14:28:09 <deirdrelee> ... for example we decided not to include an umbrella class in dqv. if we want dcat:dataset etc. we just say it
Deirdre Lee: ... for example we decided not to include an umbrella class in dqv. if we want dcat:dataset etc. we just say it ←
14:28:34 <deirdrelee> ... so maybe best to just use prov:agent or foaf:project explicitly, instead of new umbrella class
Deirdre Lee: ... so maybe best to just use prov:agent or foaf:project explicitly, instead of new umbrella class ←
14:29:07 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:29:15 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: i'll think about that. so if you're using dataset, you don't use general term, e.g. entity
Eric Stephan: i'll think about that. so if you're using dataset, you don't use general term, e.g. entity [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:29:43 <deirdrelee> ... you still have entity in the model to show, but when you're describing it, you use the specific class. e.g. you would never use prov:entity
Deirdre Lee: ... you still have entity in the model to show, but when you're describing it, you use the specific class. e.g. you would never use prov:entity ←
14:30:33 <deirdrelee> antoine: think prov:entity is pretty meaningless. it's still in the diagram, but maybe it shold be the 'last resort', it's not so informative. e.g. use dataset, or project, etc
Antoine Isaac: think prov:entity is pretty meaningless. it's still in the diagram, but maybe it shold be the 'last resort', it's not so informative. e.g. use dataset, or project, etc [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:31:08 <deirdrelee> ... sometimes it's handy to have the general class, but sometimes it doesn't bring much. it's convenient, but it also brings semantic issues
Deirdre Lee: ... sometimes it's handy to have the general class, but sometimes it doesn't bring much. it's convenient, but it also brings semantic issues ←
14:31:49 <deirdrelee> ... you might have a hard time explaining why you have a new class with the same name. time better spent elsewhere
Deirdre Lee: ... you might have a hard time explaining why you have a new class with the same name. time better spent elsewhere ←
14:32:03 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: in some ways it was to make the model more understandable
Eric Stephan: in some ways it was to make the model more understandable [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:32:20 <deirdrelee> ... but point well taken
Deirdre Lee: ... but point well taken ←
14:32:23 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/219
Yaso Córdova: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/219 ←
14:32:27 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/215
Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/215 ←
14:32:53 <yaso> topic: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/215
14:32:56 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: issue-215 is a problem,but maybe we've addressed it ourselves
Eric Stephan: ISSUE-215 is a problem,but maybe we've addressed it ourselves [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:33:28 <deirdrelee> ... originally our model made use of foaf:document, but we're making so many changes to the meaning, i'm reluctant to just use foaf:document
Deirdre Lee: ... originally our model made use of foaf:document, but we're making so many changes to the meaning, i'm reluctant to just use foaf:document ←
14:33:39 <deirdrelee> ... maybe we should have our own duv:publication
Deirdre Lee: ... maybe we should have our own duv:publication ←
14:33:54 <deirdrelee> ... we had discussions around citing electronic documents on the web
Deirdre Lee: ... we had discussions around citing electronic documents on the web ←
14:34:11 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:34:25 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
14:34:34 <deirdrelee> ... i was trying to aim for reusing more familiar classes by using foaf:document, but we will probably use duv:publication
Deirdre Lee: ... i was trying to aim for reusing more familiar classes by using foaf:document, but we will probably use duv:publication ←
14:34:55 <deirdrelee> antoine: wasn't ther eanything in the SPAR vocabularies?
Antoine Isaac: wasn't ther eanything in the SPAR vocabularies? [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:35:07 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: there is lots in the SPAR vocabularies
Eric Stephan: there is lots in the SPAR vocabularies [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:35:37 <deirdrelee> ... was thinking of taking requirements from data archiving and include that in duv:publication
Deirdre Lee: ... was thinking of taking requirements from data archiving and include that in duv:publication ←
14:36:08 <deirdrelee> ... question about how to provide non-normative guidance on how SPAR vocabularies should be used?
Deirdre Lee: ... question about how to provide non-normative guidance on how SPAR vocabularies should be used? ←
14:36:17 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:36:20 <yaso> ack antoine
Yaso Córdova: ack antoine ←
14:36:25 <deirdrelee> ... would like to use the properties they define
Deirdre Lee: ... would like to use the properties they define ←
14:37:03 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/218
Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/218 ←
14:37:04 <deirdrelee> ... in some ways i'm trying to make the model as simple as possible, because the SPAR model has a specific focus and is very rich
Deirdre Lee: ... in some ways i'm trying to make the model as simple as possible, because the SPAR model has a specific focus and is very rich ←
14:37:39 <deirdrelee> antoine: that also applies to other vocabularies. prov:entity for example has a number of properties that people will have to understand and use
Antoine Isaac: that also applies to other vocabularies. prov:entity for example has a number of properties that people will have to understand and use [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:37:59 <deirdrelee> ... but understand if you have to do it with prov, might want to restrict for SPAR
Deirdre Lee: ... but understand if you have to do it with prov, might want to restrict for SPAR ←
14:38:36 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: started of with BEBO and Q, but ended up using a lot of SPAR properties
Eric Stephan: started of with BEBO and Q, but ended up using a lot of SPAR properties [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:38:51 <deirdrelee> ... should go back to communities and get their feedback
Deirdre Lee: ... should go back to communities and get their feedback ←
14:39:09 <ericstephan> Great thought Antoine about mappings to the other vocabularies
Eric Stephan: Great thought Antoine about mappings to the other vocabularies ←
14:39:20 <ericstephan> We could use a table
Eric Stephan: We could use a table ←
14:39:37 <deirdrelee> antoine: suggest to introduce a number of mappings to these other vocabularies, and keep open an issue that if they have a recommendation that a class they have should replace prov:entity
Antoine Isaac: suggest to introduce a number of mappings to these other vocabularies, and keep open an issue that if they have a recommendation that a class they have should replace prov:entity [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:39:58 <antoine> s/prov:Entity/duv:Publication
Antoine Isaac: s/prov:Entity/duv:Publication (warning: replacement failed) ←
14:40:13 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: for issue-218, i think this would help here as well
Eric Stephan: for ISSUE-218, i think this would help here as well [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:40:47 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/217
Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/217 ←
14:41:23 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: this is where we struggled a bit in terms of the usage side.
Eric Stephan: this is where we struggled a bit in terms of the usage side. [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:42:15 <deirdrelee> ... what we've done for the data usage (dark blue side), we have created description of how you would use the model for a particular dataset (similar to man pages), like a human-readable file
Deirdre Lee: ... what we've done for the data usage (dark blue side), we have created description of how you would use the model for a particular dataset (similar to man pages), like a human-readable file ←
14:42:29 <deirdrelee> ... if people have thoughts on the usage side of the model, that woudl be terrific
Deirdre Lee: ... if people have thoughts on the usage side of the model, that woudl be terrific ←
14:43:02 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: as we discussed before, it's not clear how we should model the usage. if we should be more specific or use the annotations
Bernadette Farias Loscio: as we discussed before, it's not clear how we should model the usage. if we should be more specific or use the annotations [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:43:27 <deirdrelee> ... the informaiton about usage is something that will be given both by the consumer and the publisher
Deirdre Lee: ... the informaiton about usage is something that will be given both by the consumer and the publisher ←
14:44:14 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/216
Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/216 ←
14:44:23 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: some of the ideas that are coming out of the dqv, about using skos for describing broader/narrower, is something we should talk about
Eric Stephan: some of the ideas that are coming out of the dqv, about using skos for describing broader/narrower, is something we should talk about [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:45:11 <deirdrelee> ... issue-216 is the issue we had for feedback (yellow side of model), we have user feedbak as a type of annotation. One of the things that i wanted to do was use the dqv as a way to show feedback.
Deirdre Lee: ... ISSUE-216 is the issue we had for feedback (yellow side of model), we have user feedbak as a type of annotation. One of the things that i wanted to do was use the dqv as a way to show feedback. ←
14:46:01 <deirdrelee> ... specifically i wanted to have a user provide feedback on rating their usage. what i was trying to do originally was to have a concept, a specific way of thinking about metrics
Deirdre Lee: ... specifically i wanted to have a user provide feedback on rating their usage. what i was trying to do originally was to have a concept, a specific way of thinking about metrics ←
14:46:43 <deirdrelee> ... if there is a way we can leverage the dqv and define a definition of something we need, either by defining a new class, or refining dqv:metric using skos
Deirdre Lee: ... if there is a way we can leverage the dqv and define a definition of something we need, either by defining a new class, or refining dqv:metric using skos ←
14:46:45 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
14:46:50 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
14:46:55 <yaso> ack antoine
Yaso Córdova: ack antoine ←
14:47:26 <deirdrelee> antoine: for the skos idea, don't have much feedback righgt now. depends on outcome of issue 214/215
Antoine Isaac: for the skos idea, don't have much feedback righgt now. depends on outcome of ISSUE-214/215 [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:47:46 <deirdrelee> ... but agree there should be a connection between dqv:metric and duv:rating
Deirdre Lee: ... but agree there should be a connection between dqv:metric and duv:rating ←
14:48:23 <deirdrelee> ... could be direct or indirect. the duv:rating could be a subclass of dqv:measure, or it could be more indirect
Deirdre Lee: ... could be direct or indirect. the duv:rating could be a subclass of dqv:measure, or it could be more indirect ←
14:48:39 <deirdrelee> ... duv: rating is annotation and body is a measure
Deirdre Lee: ... duv: rating is annotation and body is a measure ←
14:48:52 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:49:05 <deirdrelee> ... either it's a quality measure or something that refers to a quality measure, in which case the skos stuff would kick in
Deirdre Lee: ... either it's a quality measure or something that refers to a quality measure, in which case the skos stuff would kick in ←
14:49:20 <riccardoAlbertoni> q+
Riccardo Albertoni: q+ ←
14:49:55 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: duv:rating the discrete measure is important, could be boolean like/don't like, or could be a rating, e.g. 5-star.....e.g. I love this dataset :)
Eric Stephan: duv:rating the discrete measure is important, could be boolean like/don't like, or could be a rating, e.g. 5-star.....e.g. I love this dataset :) [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:50:24 <riccardoAlbertoni> q-
Riccardo Albertoni: q- ←
14:50:29 <deirdrelee> antoine: the rating is not always a measure. the outcome of a rating could be a simple string "this dataset is awesome!"
Antoine Isaac: the rating is not always a measure. the outcome of a rating could be a simple string "this dataset is awesome!" [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:51:02 <deirdrelee> ... the rating could be an annotation or something else, a string, quality measure, or something else
Deirdre Lee: ... the rating could be an annotation or something else, a string, quality measure, or something else ←
14:51:04 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:51:23 <ericstephan> wow thank you antoine!
Eric Stephan: wow thank you antoine! ←
14:51:31 <deirdrelee> Topic: Best Practice Document
14:51:32 <ericstephan> this has been really really helpful
Eric Stephan: this has been really really helpful ←
14:51:59 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: updating the examples in the document and also in the sensitive data section
Bernadette Farias Loscio: updating the examples in the document and also in the sensitive data section [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:52:20 <deirdrelee> ... we've resovled issues around data vocabularies section. I'll close these issues and update doucmnet
Deirdre Lee: ... we've resovled issues around data vocabularies section. I'll close these issues and update doucmnet ←
14:52:35 <antoine> I agree with closing the issues!
Antoine Isaac: I agree with closing the issues! ←
14:52:53 <deirdrelee> ... also working on the new section on BP benefits, resulting from F2F discussion
Deirdre Lee: ... also working on the new section on BP benefits, resulting from F2F discussion ←
14:53:04 <Caroline> q+
Caroline Burle: q+ ←
14:53:16 <deirdrelee> ... this week we need feedback on the updates on the document and especially on benefits section
Deirdre Lee: ... this week we need feedback on the updates on the document and especially on benefits section ←
14:53:22 <antoine> +1 for sending a message
Antoine Isaac: +1 for sending a message ←
14:53:24 <deirdrelee> ... i'll send a mail about this
Deirdre Lee: ... i'll send a mail about this ←
14:53:41 <deirdrelee> ... important to have feedback on whole document
Deirdre Lee: ... important to have feedback on whole document ←
14:53:54 <deirdrelee> ... hope to publish next draft before Christmas
Deirdre Lee: ... hope to publish next draft before Christmas ←
14:54:07 <yaso> ack Caroline
Yaso Córdova: ack Caroline ←
14:54:14 <deirdrelee> Caroline: Newton is developing stands
Caroline Burle: Newton is developing stands [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:55:20 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: the idea is to associate each best practice with the benefits that you will have if you implement it
Bernadette Farias Loscio: the idea is to associate each best practice with the benefits that you will have if you implement it [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:55:38 <deirdrelee> ... haven't done it for every BP, just a couple for feedback
Deirdre Lee: ... haven't done it for every BP, just a couple for feedback ←
14:56:15 <deirdrelee> ... this distribution was not made just by ourselves. during the F2F we worked on this collaboratively. now we need to validate this distribution and the benefits
Deirdre Lee: ... this distribution was not made just by ourselves. during the F2F we worked on this collaboratively. now we need to validate this distribution and the benefits ←
14:56:45 <deirdrelee> Caroline: we created an issue around content negotiation, please take a look and add contnet
Caroline Burle: we created an issue around content negotiation, please take a look and add contnet [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:57:03 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:58:10 <deirdrelee> yaso: I didn't see any mail about content negotiation, suggest sending one to the group
Yaso Córdova: I didn't see any mail about content negotiation, suggest sending one to the group [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
14:58:54 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:59:21 <riccardoAlbertoni> have a good week end, Bye
Riccardo Albertoni: have a good week end, Bye ←
14:59:23 <yaso> bye all
Yaso Córdova: bye all ←
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