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Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 20 March 2015

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Adriano Pereira, Annette Greiner, Antoine Isaac, Bernadette Farias Loscio, Carlos Iglesias, Carlos Laufer, Caroline Burle, Eric Stephan, Jeremy Debattista, Manuel Carrasco Benitez, Newton Calegari, Riccardo Albertoni, Sumit Purohit, Yaso Córdova
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Newton Calegari
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Yaso Córdova
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Caroline Burle
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  1. approved last week minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-03-13 link
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12:59:01 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
12:59:01 <trackbot> Date: 20 March 2015
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12:59:40 <Zakim> +yaso

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13:00:48 <yaso2> Zakim, yaso has carolilne

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13:01:10 <Caroline> Zakim, yaso2 has Caroline

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13:01:42 <yaso2> Zakim, yaso has Caroline

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13:02:02 <Zakim> +estephan

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13:02:57 <yaso2> Anyone wants to scribe?

Yaso Córdova: Anyone wants to scribe?

13:02:57 <yaso2> Guest: Newton Calegari
13:03:13 <yaso2> Zakim, pick a victim

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13:03:13 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose SumitPurohit

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13:03:19 <yaso2> Chair: Yaso
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13:03:36 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller is me

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13:04:27 <yaso2> Zakim, yaso has newton

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13:04:49 <Adriano_C> Hi all! Today I am online in chat mode.

Adriano Pereira: Hi all! Today I am online in chat mode.

13:05:36 <yaso2> Scribe: Caroline

(Scribe set to Caroline Burle)

13:06:01 <yaso2> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-03-13

Yaso Córdova: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-03-13

13:06:34 <Caroline> PROPOSED: approve last week minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-03-13

PROPOSED: approve last week minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-03-13

13:06:38 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

13:06:42 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

13:06:43 <Caroline> thank you, ericstephan!

thank you, ericstephan!

13:06:44 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1

13:06:45 <Caroline> +1

+1

13:06:47 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

13:06:48 <yaso2> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

13:06:51 <MTCarrasco> +1

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: +1

13:06:51 <SumitPurohit> +1

Sumit Purohit: +1

13:06:54 <annette_g> isn't it PROPOSED?

Annette Greiner: isn't it PROPOSED?

13:07:07 <Caroline> RESOLVED: approved last week minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-03-13

RESOLVED: approved last week minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-03-13

13:07:11 <Adriano_C> +1

Adriano Pereira: +1

13:07:15 <Caroline> yes, annette_g! Thank you!

yes, annette_g! Thank you!

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13:08:00 <laufer> zakim, mute me

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13:08:02 <Zakim> -RiccardoAlbertoni

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13:08:51 <yaso2> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Oct/0181.html#start181

Yaso Córdova: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Oct/0181.html#start181

13:09:10 <laufer> +1 (delayed)

Carlos Laufer: +1 (delayed)

13:09:10 <Caroline> yaso2: we can talk about this issue https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Oct/0181.html#start181 and try to close it

Yaso Córdova: we can talk about this issue https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Oct/0181.html#start181 and try to close it

13:09:27 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

13:09:38 <yaso2> Ack ericstephan

Yaso Córdova: Ack ericstephan

13:10:22 <Caroline> ericstephan: from the vocab perspective, if we have questions or ideas we could put together the issues and talk about them

Eric Stephan: from the vocab perspective, if we have questions or ideas we could put together the issues and talk about them

13:10:33 <Caroline> ... so we could resolve them as a working group

... so we could resolve them as a working group

13:11:27 <Caroline> ... I am not prepared to talk about specific issues, but I have some information that would be useful in the future

... I am not prepared to talk about specific issues, but I have some information that would be useful in the future

13:11:41 <Caroline> yaso2: could you talk  about the data usage vocabulary

Yaso Córdova: could you talk about the data usage vocabulary

13:12:02 <Caroline> yaso2: we can start with the data usage

Yaso Córdova: we can start with the data usage

13:12:25 <Caroline> ericstephan: we can wait until the end of the call

Eric Stephan: we can wait until the end of the call

13:13:10 <yaso2> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/72

Yaso Córdova: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/72

13:13:21 <Caroline> yaso2: we could start then talking about some issues on the BP document. I suggest that we start with more general issues, for example the data enrichment http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/72

Yaso Córdova: we could start then talking about some issues on the BP document. I suggest that we start with more general issues, for example the data enrichment http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/72

13:13:34 <antoine> this is a closed issue, no?

Antoine Isaac: this is a closed issue, no?

13:13:40 <Caroline> ... does anyone have any comment about it?

... does anyone have any comment about it?

13:13:55 <Caroline> ... yes it is closed

... yes it is closed

13:14:16 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

13:14:22 <yaso2> Ack annette_g

Yaso Córdova: Ack annette_g

13:14:42 <Caroline> annette_g: maybe we can bring it up what we are talking by email

Annette Greiner: maybe we can bring it up what we are talking by email

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13:15:03 <yaso2> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/144

Yaso Córdova: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/144

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13:15:12 <Caroline> ... the issue about linked data

... the issue about linked data

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13:15:22 <laufer> I think adriano was more linked to data enrichment, isn´t it?

Carlos Laufer: I think adriano was more linked to data enrichment, isn´t it?

13:15:23 <Caroline> yaso2: we were discussing it by email

Yaso Córdova: we were discussing it by email

13:15:36 <Caroline> I think so, laufer

I think so, laufer

13:15:56 <CarlosIglesias> zakim, ??P25 is me

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13:15:57 <newton> q+

Newton Calegari: q+

13:16:06 <yaso2> ack newton

Yaso Córdova: ack newton

13:16:12 <Caroline> ... did the group agree that we should propose semantic web and linked data?

... did the group agree that we should propose semantic web and linked data?

13:16:45 <Caroline> newton: we can have general BP and be more specific on the approach implementation

Newton Calegari: we can have general BP and be more specific on the approach implementation

13:16:57 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

13:16:58 <ericstephan> +1 newton

Eric Stephan: +1 newton

13:17:01 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

13:17:07 <yaso2> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

13:17:07 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

13:17:12 <CarlosIglesias> q+

Carlos Iglesias: q+

13:17:15 <yaso2> Ack ericstephan

Yaso Córdova: Ack ericstephan

13:17:38 <Caroline> ericstephan: I completely agree with newton and I understand we have an agreement by email that support newton's idea

Eric Stephan: I completely agree with newton and I understand we have an agreement by email that support newton's idea

13:18:07 <SumitPurohit> +q

Sumit Purohit: +q

13:18:14 <yaso2> Ack CarlosIglesias

Yaso Córdova: Ack CarlosIglesias

13:18:36 <Caroline> CarlosIglesias: I think LD ws never a problem

Carlos Iglesias: I think LD ws never a problem

13:18:46 <Caroline> ... the problem is where to put LD in the document

... the problem is where to put LD in the document

13:19:04 <MTCarrasco> q+

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: q+

13:19:15 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

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13:19:31 <Caroline> ... we should keep the general BP neutral and provide as much as implementation techniques as we could

... we should keep the general BP neutral and provide as much as implementation techniques as we could

13:19:32 <yaso2> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

13:19:34 <Caroline> ... my only point from the beggining it to keep the overall neutrel

... my only point from the beggining it to keep the overall neutral

13:19:36 <yaso2> Ack SumitPurohit

Yaso Córdova: Ack SumitPurohit

13:19:41 <Caroline> s/neutrel/neutral
13:20:00 <Caroline> SumitPurohit: we should focus and write in our document and provide concrete use cases

Sumit Purohit: we should focus and write in our document and provide concrete use cases

13:20:16 <yaso2> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

13:20:18 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

13:20:24 <yaso2> Ack MTCarrasco

Yaso Córdova: Ack MTCarrasco

13:20:38 <Caroline> MTCarrasco: we must provide concrete examples of the most common use cases

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: we must provide concrete examples of the most common use cases

13:20:54 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

13:20:56 <yaso2> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

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13:20:58 <Adriano_C> Laufer, probably there are aspects related to linked data that can be in the context of data enrichment, as you said!

Adriano Pereira: Laufer, probably there are aspects related to linked data that can be in the context of data enrichment, as you said!

13:20:59 <yaso2> Ack laufer

Yaso Córdova: Ack laufer

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13:21:04 <Caroline> ... the document can be more neutral, but there is the need of specific cases

... the document can be more neutral, but there is the need of specific cases

13:21:05 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio

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13:21:26 <Caroline> laufer: I agree with the idea that the document could talk about all the types of distribution of data

Carlos Laufer: I agree with the idea that the document could talk about all the types of distribution of data

13:21:26 <Caroline> ...

...

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13:21:39 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

13:21:53 <Caroline> ... I think we have BP that can be neutral, but I am not sure if we need specific BP when we talk about LD

... I think we have BP that can be neutral, but I am not sure if we need specific BP when we talk about LD

13:22:07 <Caroline> yaso2: laufer can you be more specific about your quesiton?

Yaso Córdova: laufer can you be more specific about your quesiton?

13:22:20 <yaso2> s/quesition/question

Yaso Córdova: s/quesition/question (warning: replacement failed)

13:22:35 <CarlosIglesias> BPs should never be driven by any specific tech but by users needs

Carlos Iglesias: BPs should never be driven by any specific tech but by users needs

13:22:48 <Caroline> laufer: for LD we need some information like the number of a type of property for example

Carlos Laufer: for LD we need some information like the number of a type of property for example

13:23:03 <yaso2> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

13:23:06 <Caroline> +1 to CarlosIglesias

+1 to CarlosIglesias

13:23:10 <ericstephan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_data

Eric Stephan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_data

13:23:11 <yaso2> Ack ericstephan

Yaso Córdova: Ack ericstephan

13:23:19 <laufer> zakim, mute me

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13:23:41 <Caroline> ericstephan: I am wondering if we have the definition of open data described well enough

Eric Stephan: I am wondering if we have the definition of open data described well enough

13:23:45 <MTCarrasco> We *must* provide clear examples for the most common cases - indeed, we could maintain a library of examples

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: We *must* provide clear examples for the most common cases - indeed, we could maintain a library of examples

13:24:01 <Caroline> ... to me LD is just one specialization of the open data concept

... to me LD is just one specialization of the open data concept

13:24:15 <yaso2> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

13:24:23 <Caroline> ... maybe we are not defining open data cleary enough

... maybe we are not defining open data cleary enough

13:24:26 <MTCarrasco> http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html

13:24:31 <yaso2> Ack annette_g

Yaso Córdova: Ack annette_g

13:24:32 <Caroline> yaso2: maybe that take us to the question about the glossary

Yaso Córdova: maybe that take us to the question about the glossary

13:24:34 <MTCarrasco> Back to the source

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Back to the source

13:25:00 <Caroline> annette_g: maybe we could use the 5 starts or something like that to give priorities

Annette Greiner: maybe we could use the 5 starts or something like that to give priorities

13:25:15 <yaso2> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

13:25:23 <yaso2> Ack BernadetteLoscio

Yaso Córdova: Ack BernadetteLoscio

13:26:01 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: I would like to know from the group if there is a difference between publishing LD and using it as a concept

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I would like to know from the group if there is a difference between publishing LD and using it as a concept

13:26:22 <Caroline> ... the other thing is that we are proposing to use the LD concept to publish data

... the other thing is that we are proposing to use the LD concept to publish data

13:26:33 <yaso2> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

13:26:36 <MTCarrasco> q

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: q

13:26:38 <Caroline> ... maybe the LD concept will hel to publish the data in a proper way

... maybe the LD concept will hel to publish the data in a proper way

13:26:53 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

13:26:57 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

13:26:58 <Caroline> yaso2: may we can use RDF concepts in use cases that are not LD, if I undertood tour question

Yaso Córdova: may we can use RDF concepts in use cases that are not LD, if I undertood tour question

13:27:31 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: jus tto make clear. About the use cases, I wanted to understand what do you mean abotu LD concepts.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: jus tto make clear. About the use cases, I wanted to understand what do you mean abotu LD concepts.

13:27:51 <Caroline> yaso2: I think that using RDF or RDFa

Yaso Córdova: I think that using RDF or RDFa

13:28:01 <Caroline> ... using Web APIs maybe is not LD

... using Web APIs maybe is not LD

13:28:23 <Caroline> ... using microdata is not necessarly LD

... using microdata is not necessarly LD

13:28:49 <Caroline> ... about the use cases, I could see14 use cases that explicit mentioned LD in the approaches

... about the use cases, I could see14 use cases that explicit mentioned LD in the approaches

13:29:06 <Caroline> ... maybe we could work with more use cases that do not mention LD

... maybe we could work with more use cases that do not mention LD

13:29:14 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

13:29:22 <MTCarrasco> "When someone looks up a URI, provide useful information, using the standards": RDF is *not* necessarily LD -  "When someone looks up a URI, provide useful information, using the standards" -

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: "When someone looks up a URI, provide useful information, using the standards": RDF is *not* necessarily LD - "When someone looks up a URI, provide useful information, using the standards" -

13:29:30 <ericstephan> +1 yaso2

Eric Stephan: +1 yaso2

13:29:33 <Caroline> ... I think it is okay to be biased towards linked data, because the 5 stars

... I think it is okay to be biased towards linked data, because the 5 stars

13:29:34 <MTCarrasco> http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html

13:29:42 <yaso2> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

13:29:48 <MTCarrasco> q+

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: q+

13:30:25 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: I just think that fact that we have use cases that mention LD does not mean that the requirements mention to publish LD

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I just think that fact that we have use cases that mention LD does not mean that the requirements mention to publish LD

13:30:26 <laufer> zakim, unmute me

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13:30:28 <yaso2> Ack laufer

Yaso Córdova: Ack laufer

13:30:29 <Caroline> ... it says to publish data

... it says to publish data

13:30:32 <BernadetteLoscio> q-

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q-

13:30:40 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio - you raise a very interesting point

Eric Stephan: BernadetteLoscio - you raise a very interesting point

13:30:46 <Caroline> laufer: I think we have Semantic Web concepts, LD concepts and publishing concepts

Carlos Laufer: I think we have Semantic Web concepts, LD concepts and publishing concepts

13:31:07 <ericstephan> Linked data has highly influenced open data

Eric Stephan: Linked data has highly influenced open data

13:31:20 <yaso2> ericstephan: agree

Eric Stephan: agree [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ]

13:31:30 <Caroline> ... some concepts such as publishing metadata, sometimes we get confused about semantic web. When we talk about metadata we are not talking about Semantic Web or LD

... some concepts such as publishing metadata, sometimes we get confused about semantic web. When we talk about metadata we are not talking about Semantic Web or LD

13:31:39 <Caroline> +1 to laufer

+1 to laufer

13:31:46 <yaso2> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

13:31:50 <Caroline> ... it is a concept of publishing data

... it is a concept of publishing data

13:31:52 <laufer> zakim, mute me

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13:31:52 <yaso2> Ack annette_g

Yaso Córdova: Ack annette_g

13:32:05 <Caroline> annette_g: I think you can do linked data with an API

Annette Greiner: I think you can do linked data with an API

13:32:49 <Caroline> ... the BPs should be as netural as possible

... the BPs should be as neutral as possible

13:32:51 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

13:33:01 <Caroline> ... people could see LD as an alternative

... people could see LD as an alternative

13:33:09 <yaso2> Ack MTCarrasco

Yaso Córdova: Ack MTCarrasco

13:33:22 <newton> s/netural/neutral
13:33:41 <Caroline> MTCarrasco: LD was written by Tim Berners Lee. LD is about publishing a structure data

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: LD was written by Tim Berners Lee. LD is about publishing a structure data

13:34:02 <Caroline> ... it doesn't have to use RDF

... it doesn't have to use RDF

13:34:02 <laufer> I disagree

Carlos Laufer: I disagree

13:34:16 <yaso2> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

13:34:17 <Caroline> ... this is essential to create higher level

... this is essential to create higher level

13:34:23 <Caroline> ... of semantics

... of semantics

13:34:34 <newton> +1 annette_g I agree that BPs should be neutral. And I don't see any problem in show approaches to implementation close related to semantic web or LD concepts, such as using RDFa, using some vocabs

Newton Calegari: +1 annette_g I agree that BPs should be neutral. And I don't see any problem in show approaches to implementation close related to semantic web or LD concepts, such as using RDFa, using some vocabs

13:34:34 <Caroline> ... the essential part is that the data is structural

... the essential part is that the data is structural

13:34:41 <annette_g> http://5stardata.info

Annette Greiner: http://5stardata.info

13:34:42 <yaso2> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/68

Yaso Córdova: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/68

13:34:58 <annette_g> structured is 2 stars

Annette Greiner: structured is 2 stars

13:35:00 <Caroline> yaso2: this discussion about structured data is in an open issue, where it says we should define structure

Yaso Córdova: this discussion about structured data is in an open issue, where it says we should define structure

13:35:04 <laufer> a csv file is structured too but is not LD

Carlos Laufer: a csv file is structured too but is not LD

13:35:13 <Caroline> ... we must discuss these open issues

... we must discuss these open issues

13:35:28 <BernadetteLoscio> the LD glossay explicitly mentions RDF: http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-glossary/

Bernadette Farias Loscio: the LD glossay explicitly mentions RDF: http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-glossary/

13:35:29 <ericstephan> Its interesting that it calls it the 5 star Open Data not LD system annette_g

Eric Stephan: Its interesting that it calls it the 5 star Open Data not LD system annette_g

13:35:43 <yaso2> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

13:35:56 <Caroline> ... our charter mentions data on the web. There is a definition about data on the web. Is data on the web somehow connected with LD concept?

... our charter mentions data on the web. There is a definition about data on the web. Is data on the web somehow connected with LD concept?

13:36:06 <laufer> I think we are talking abot publishing datasets on the web

Carlos Laufer: I think we are talking abot publishing datasets on the web

13:36:07 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

13:36:13 <yaso2> Ack annette_g

Yaso Córdova: Ack annette_g

13:36:16 <MTCarrasco> The key aspect is that the data is *structured* - the format is secondary - in our case it must be web-friendly

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: The key aspect is that the data is *structured* - the format is secondary - in our case it must be web-friendly

13:36:18 <BernadetteLoscio> yes... open data doesn't mention RDF

Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes... open data doesn't mention RDF

13:36:23 <CarlosIglesias> I will raise then the same question as usual, could somebody say that RESTful APIs are not data on the web for example?

Carlos Iglesias: I will raise then the same question as usual, could somebody say that RESTful APIs are not data on the web for example?

13:36:29 <ericstephan> +1 annette_g

Eric Stephan: +1 annette_g

13:36:39 <Caroline> annette_g: using URI is also part of it

Annette Greiner: using URI is also part of it

13:36:42 <yaso2> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

13:37:01 <Caroline> MTCarrasco: without links we cannot go to the gigher level of semantics

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: without links we cannot go to the gigher level of semantics

13:37:07 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

13:37:08 <Caroline> ... there must be links to all the data

... there must be links to all the data

13:37:15 <Caroline> .... to create semantic aspects

.... to create semantic aspects

13:37:15 <ericstephan> you can use links without semantics REST shows you can link data to web pages

Eric Stephan: you can use links without semantics REST shows you can link data to web pages

13:37:31 <Caroline> yaso2: microdata don't presupose that we should URIs

Yaso Córdova: microdata don't presupose that we should URIs

13:37:32 <laufer> If we enter in this discussion, the data of out meeting is also data on the web...

Carlos Laufer: If we enter in this discussion, the data of out meeting is also data on the web...

13:37:39 <yaso2> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

13:37:55 <Caroline> MTCarrasco: can you write down?

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: can you write down?

13:37:56 <annette_g> type it?

Annette Greiner: type it?

13:37:58 <laufer> our meeting

Carlos Laufer: our meeting

13:38:03 <yaso2> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

13:38:03 <Caroline> please, type it! :)

please, type it! :)

13:38:12 <yaso2> Ack BernadetteLoscio

Yaso Córdova: Ack BernadetteLoscio

13:38:37 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: in the LD glossary there is also teh 5 stars for linked open data and it mentions the RDF

Bernadette Farias Loscio: in the LD glossary there is also teh 5 stars for linked open data and it mentions the RDF

13:38:44 <Caroline> ... the 5 star is about RDF and URI

... the 5 star is about RDF and URI

13:38:50 <BernadetteLoscio> http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-glossary/

Bernadette Farias Loscio: http://www.w3.org/TR/ld-glossary/

13:38:59 <yaso2> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

13:39:01 <CarlosIglesias> please note that 5 starts of linked open data is about *linked* open data

Carlos Iglesias: please note that 5 starts of linked open data is about *linked* open data

13:39:15 <MTCarrasco> +1

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: +1

13:39:18 <CarlosIglesias> as its name makes clear

Carlos Iglesias: as its name makes clear

13:39:22 <Caroline> yaso2: should we close these issues?

Yaso Córdova: should we close these issues?

13:39:41 <ericstephan> Perhaps we need to start talking about general open data (1-3 stars) and linked data (4-5 stars)

Eric Stephan: Perhaps we need to start talking about general open data (1-3 stars) and linked data (4-5 stars)

13:39:42 <yaso2> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/open

Yaso Córdova: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/open

13:39:56 <laufer> 5 star is a path to LD...  if one does not want to go to LD, 5 stars is not an answer...

Carlos Laufer: 5 star is a path to LD... if one does not want to go to LD, 5 stars is not an answer...

13:39:58 <BernadetteLoscio> yes.... open data and data on the web are not just about RDF

Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes.... open data and data on the web are not just about RDF

13:40:01 <CarlosIglesias> q+

Carlos Iglesias: q+

13:40:11 <Caroline> ericstephan, could you detail your proposal?

ericstephan, could you detail your proposal?

13:40:33 <Caroline> yaso2: should we focus on closing the issues that help to define the general concepts?

Yaso Córdova: should we focus on closing the issues that help to define the general concepts?

13:40:42 <Caroline> ... defining structure, datasets, etc

... defining structure, datasets, etc

13:40:43 <yaso2> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

13:40:45 <MTCarrasco> 5 stars is Linked RDF - http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: 5 stars is Linked RDF - http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html

13:41:05 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: thinking about definition related to terminology I am not sure we can close them now

Bernadette Farias Loscio: thinking about definition related to terminology I am not sure we can close them now

13:41:12 <Caroline> yaso2: they might delivery some actions

Yaso Córdova: they might delivery some actions

13:41:16 <yaso2> Ack CarlosIglesias

Yaso Córdova: Ack CarlosIglesias

13:41:17 <laufer> If we center our doc in the 5 stars we will be saying that people should follow the 5 star idea...

Carlos Laufer: If we center our doc in the 5 stars we will be saying that people should follow the 5 star idea...

13:41:18 <ericstephan> Caroline, I guess I was just following the discussion and wondering based on what annette_g had suggested that we be explicit using the 5 star range to say what is open and linked data

Eric Stephan: Caroline, I guess I was just following the discussion and wondering based on what annette_g had suggested that we be explicit using the 5 star range to say what is open and linked data

13:41:42 <Caroline> thank you, ericstephan!

thank you, ericstephan!

13:41:48 <ericstephan> laufer is that a bad idea?  5

Eric Stephan: laufer is that a bad idea? 5

13:42:17 <laufer> I am not sayin yes or no, eric... just pointing what we will say...

Carlos Laufer: I am not sayin yes or no, eric... just pointing what we will say...

13:42:18 <ericstephan> it is an open data scale not LD scale though

Eric Stephan: it is an open data scale not LD scale though

13:42:18 <Caroline> CarlosIglesias: we can use LD as a case to produce data on the web document

Carlos Iglesias: we can use LD as a case to produce data on the web document

13:42:36 <yaso2> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

13:42:37 <ericstephan> okay laufer :-)

Eric Stephan: okay laufer :-)

13:42:45 <MTCarrasco> not only RDF: +1

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: not only RDF: +1

13:43:02 <Caroline> CarlosIglesias could you type what you just said, please?

CarlosIglesias could you type what you just said, please?

13:43:04 <yaso2> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

13:43:42 <Caroline> ... I don't know what is the big issue. I provided recommendation how to address all of them

... I don't know what is the big issue. I provided recommendation how to address all of them

13:43:44 <laufer> q+

Carlos Laufer: q+

13:44:00 <Caroline> ... if we focus on these specific issues

... if we focus on these specific issues

13:44:29 <Caroline> yaso2: do you mean your comments on google document?

Yaso Córdova: do you mean your comments on google document?

13:44:31 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

13:44:32 <Caroline> CarlosIglesias: yes

Carlos Iglesias: yes

13:44:52 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: the document is the previous version

Bernadette Farias Loscio: the document is the previous version

13:45:07 <Caroline> ... the comments were about the previous version

... the comments were about the previous version

13:45:24 <Caroline> CarlosIglesias: are you saying that the suggestions that CarlosIglesias made are already in the document?

Carlos Iglesias: are you saying that the suggestions that CarlosIglesias made are already in the document?

13:45:34 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: we must check the published document

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we must check the published document

13:45:50 <Caroline> yaso2: CarlosIglesias could you check the pubilshed document

Yaso Córdova: CarlosIglesias could you check the pubilshed document

13:45:53 <yaso2> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

13:45:56 <laufer> zakim, unmute me

Carlos Laufer: zakim, unmute me

13:45:56 <Zakim> laufer should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should no longer be muted

13:45:59 <BernadetteLoscio> q-

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q-

13:46:13 <Caroline> ACTION for CarlosIglesias to review the BP document and check his previews suggestions

ACTION for CarlosIglesias to review the BP document and check his previews suggestions

13:46:13 <trackbot> Error finding 'for'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.

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13:46:31 <MTCarrasco> q+

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: q+

13:46:36 <Caroline> ACTION: CarlosIglesias to review the BP document and check his previews suggestions

ACTION: CarlosIglesias to review the BP document and check his previews suggestions

13:46:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-145 - Review the bp document and check his previews suggestions [on Carlos Iglesias - due 2015-03-27].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-145 - Review the bp document and check his previews suggestions [on Carlos Iglesias - due 2015-03-27].

13:46:40 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

13:46:45 <ericstephan> I like that laufer

Eric Stephan: I like that laufer

13:46:52 <Caroline> laufer: the group should vote if we should support the 5 stars

Carlos Laufer: the group should vote if we should support the 5 stars

13:46:58 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

13:47:03 <newton> q+

Newton Calegari: q+

13:47:07 <SumitPurohit> laufer: +1

Carlos Laufer: +1 [ Scribe Assist by Sumit Purohit ]

13:47:07 <ericstephan> or use 5 star to describe open data overall

Eric Stephan: or use 5 star to describe open data overall

13:47:09 <Caroline> ... so we decide if go to LD is what we want to do

... so we decide if go to LD is what we want to do

13:47:11 <laufer> zakim, unmute me

Carlos Laufer: zakim, unmute me

13:47:11 <Zakim> laufer was not muted, laufer

Zakim IRC Bot: laufer was not muted, laufer

13:47:17 <yaso2> Ack CarlosIglesias

Yaso Córdova: Ack CarlosIglesias

13:47:21 <newton> q-

Newton Calegari: q-

13:47:26 <Caroline> CarlosIglesias: I don't understand why

Carlos Iglesias: I don't understand why

13:47:36 <yaso2> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

13:47:42 <yaso2> ack laufer

Yaso Córdova: ack laufer

13:48:27 <Caroline> ... if we put that in our document it should be based on the reality

... if we put that in our document it should be based on the reality

13:48:43 <Caroline> ... that is the reason for my doubts

... that is the reason for my doubts

13:48:43 <laufer> zakim, unmute me

Carlos Laufer: zakim, unmute me

13:48:43 <Zakim> laufer was not muted, laufer

Zakim IRC Bot: laufer was not muted, laufer

13:49:30 <CarlosIglesias> for your reference: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ecwweAM5t4UVFEjcXnFhXmCUBnRDvwZ1smRLtiKkBEI/edit#heading=h.oa5hnn7ctefr

Carlos Iglesias: for your reference: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ecwweAM5t4UVFEjcXnFhXmCUBnRDvwZ1smRLtiKkBEI/edit#heading=h.oa5hnn7ctefr

13:49:36 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

13:49:39 <yaso2> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

13:49:52 <Caroline> laufer: if we need a neutral document and we talk about the 5 stars, it says that the best way to do it is going through LD

Carlos Laufer: if we need a neutral document and we talk about the 5 stars, it says that the best way to do it is going through LD

13:50:01 <Caroline> ... I am not saying it is good or bad

... I am not saying it is good or bad

13:50:06 <laufer> zakim, mute me

Carlos Laufer: zakim, mute me

13:50:06 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should now be muted

13:50:11 <CarlosIglesias> 5 stars is not neutral

Carlos Iglesias: 5 stars is not neutral

13:50:16 <yaso2> ack annette_g

Yaso Córdova: ack annette_g

13:50:17 <CarlosIglesias> is a linked data scale

Carlos Iglesias: is a linked data scale

13:50:27 <CarlosIglesias> as its name clearly reads

Carlos Iglesias: as its name clearly reads

13:50:28 <laufer> is what I am saying, carlos

Carlos Laufer: is what I am saying, carlos

13:50:35 <BernadetteLoscio> Laufer, are you talking about publishing RDF?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Laufer, are you talking about publishing RDF?

13:50:40 <yaso2> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

13:50:51 <Caroline> annette_g, please type it, I cannot understand

annette_g, please type it, I cannot understand

13:51:18 <yaso2> Ack MTCarrasco

Yaso Córdova: Ack MTCarrasco

13:51:20 <SumitPurohit> q+

Sumit Purohit: q+

13:51:26 <ericstephan> I believe that 5 stars was originally thought of the "vision" for going to linked data, but why don't we change this to just state varying degrees of open data.

Eric Stephan: I believe that 5 stars was originally thought of the "vision" for going to linked data, but why don't we change this to just state varying degrees of open data.

13:51:30 <annette_g> I think support for LD and saying it's best are two different things.

Annette Greiner: I think support for LD and saying it's best are two different things.

13:51:42 <laufer> Bernadette, I am talking about our bias in the group that is reflected in the document...

Carlos Laufer: Bernadette, I am talking about our bias in the group that is reflected in the document...

13:51:47 <annette_g> I support LD but don't believe it's always best

Annette Greiner: I support LD but don't believe it's always best

13:51:55 <Caroline> MTCarrasco: LD it is what it is in the Tim Berners Lee document

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: LD it is what it is in the Tim Berners Lee document

13:51:59 <yaso2> +1 to annette_g

Yaso Córdova: +1 to annette_g

13:52:02 <Caroline> ... we cannot redefine it

... we cannot redefine it

13:52:02 <laufer> +1 anette

Carlos Laufer: +1 anette

13:52:12 <yaso2> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

13:52:18 <yaso2> Ack BernadetteLoscio

Yaso Córdova: Ack BernadetteLoscio

13:52:19 <Caroline> ... we should not confuse the 5 stars with LD

... we should not confuse the 5 stars with LD

13:52:41 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: I want to understand what laufer means when he says that we should support or not LD

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I want to understand what laufer means when he says that we should support or not LD

13:52:42 <laufer> zakim, unmute me

Carlos Laufer: zakim, unmute me

13:52:42 <Zakim> laufer should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should no longer be muted

13:53:08 <Caroline> laufer: I am not talking about support LD, I am talking about support the 5 stars

Carlos Laufer: I am not talking about support LD, I am talking about support the 5 stars

13:53:12 <CarlosIglesias> supporting the 5 stars of linked data is supporting linked data

Carlos Iglesias: supporting the 5 stars of linked data is supporting linked data

13:53:27 <Caroline> +1 to CarlosIglesias

+1 to CarlosIglesias

13:53:37 <annette_g> +1 to CarlosIglesias

Annette Greiner: +1 to CarlosIglesias

13:54:14 <CarlosIglesias> on the other hand, again, i'm very in favor of supporting linked data

Carlos Iglesias: on the other hand, again, i'm very in favor of supporting linked data

13:54:14 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: I want to understand in what context you are talking about

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I want to understand in what context you are talking about

13:54:17 <MTCarrasco> A) DWBP: LD and not LD - though 1 star LD is any data in the web    B) LD: it is what is is in the TBL note    C) Rating system: yes but not using

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: A) DWBP: LD and not LD - though 1 star LD is any data in the web B) LD: it is what is is in the TBL note C) Rating system: yes but not using

13:54:20 <CarlosIglesias> but among many other technologies

Carlos Iglesias: but among many other technologies

13:54:35 <Caroline> laufer: I am saying that if we talk about this we are supporting it in our document

Carlos Laufer: I am saying that if we talk about this we are supporting it in our document

13:54:39 <ericstephan> Can we adopt the 5 circle system?

Eric Stephan: Can we adopt the 5 circle system?

13:54:45 <laufer> zakim, mute me

Carlos Laufer: zakim, mute me

13:54:45 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should now be muted

13:54:48 <Caroline> yaso2: we are runing out of time

Yaso Córdova: we are runing out of time

13:54:48 <newton> q+

Newton Calegari: q+

13:54:48 <yaso2> ack ericstephan

Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan

13:54:49 <MTCarrasco> 5 stars must be with RDF

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: 5 stars must be with RDF

13:55:05 <BernadetteLoscio> Carlos, in your opinion, linked data is about RDF?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Carlos, in your opinion, linked data is about RDF?

13:55:06 <Caroline> ericstephan: I agree that the 5 stars

Eric Stephan: I agree that the 5 stars

13:55:06 <yaso2> I'm closing the queue :-)

Yaso Córdova: I'm closing the queue :-)

13:55:26 <Caroline> ericstephan, sorry, I cannot understand, can you type, please

ericstephan, sorry, I cannot understand, can you type, please

13:55:31 <CarlosIglesias> you can link data on the web also without using rdf

Carlos Iglesias: you can link data on the web also without using rdf

13:55:38 <MTCarrasco> 1 star LD is any data in the web

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: 1 star LD is any data in the web

13:55:45 <BernadetteLoscio> ok ;)

Bernadette Farias Loscio: ok ;)

13:55:58 <yaso2> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

13:55:59 <CarlosIglesias> e.g. restful apis and hateoas

Carlos Iglesias: e.g. restful apis and hateoas

13:56:16 <yaso2> ack SumitPurohit

Yaso Córdova: ack SumitPurohit

13:56:25 <laufer> but Linked Data is a concept that is different of the broad idea of linking data, Carlos...

Carlos Laufer: but Linked Data is a concept that is different of the broad idea of linking data, Carlos...

13:56:26 <Caroline> ... we are all looking for describe open data and distinguishe ir from linked data

... we are all looking for describe open data and distinguishe ir from linked data

13:56:52 <laufer> in LD, RDF is the way...  Thera are 4 clear principles...

Carlos Laufer: in LD, RDF is the way... Thera are 4 clear principles...

13:56:57 <Caroline> SumitPurohit: we should call the contributors to specify about the implementation

Sumit Purohit: we should call the contributors to specify about the implementation

13:57:05 <BernadetteLoscio> Carlos, linked data is about creating links between resources?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Carlos, linked data is about creating links between resources?

13:57:15 <ericstephan> SumitPurohit I agree I was trying to make a joke :-)

Eric Stephan: SumitPurohit I agree I was trying to make a joke :-)

13:57:16 <yaso2> q?

Yaso Córdova: q?

13:57:28 <BernadetteLoscio> http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html

Bernadette Farias Loscio: http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html

13:57:29 <yaso2> Ack newton

Yaso Córdova: Ack newton

13:57:31 <Caroline> ... we should clearly say if we are talking about one star available on the web or about 5 stars

... we should clearly say if we are talking about one star available on the web or about 5 stars

13:57:38 <newton> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#OpenFormat

Newton Calegari: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#OpenFormat

13:57:41 <newton> BP 13

Newton Calegari: BP 13

13:57:44 <Caroline> newton: about the discuss to use 5 star data in our document

Newton Calegari: about the discuss to use 5 star data in our document

13:57:45 <CarlosIglesias> you can create links between resources with restful apis and HATEOAS as well

Carlos Iglesias: you can create links between resources with restful apis and HATEOAS as well

13:57:46 <newton> 3 stars

Newton Calegari: 3 stars

13:57:49 <Zakim> -antoine

Zakim IRC Bot: -antoine

13:57:53 <SumitPurohit> eric : :-)

Sumit Purohit: eric : :-)

13:57:54 <MTCarrasco> We should aim at least for 3 stars

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: We should aim at least for 3 stars

13:58:02 <BernadetteLoscio> yes Carlos... I agree

Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes Carlos... I agree

13:58:05 <Caroline> the BP13 is close to the 3 stars

the BP13 is close to the 3 stars

13:58:18 <ericstephan> Is the 5 star only a path or can we make it a metric for a slightly different purpose

Eric Stephan: Is the 5 star only a path or can we make it a metric for a slightly different purpose

13:58:21 <laufer> Iet´s discuss in the list...

Carlos Laufer: Iet´s discuss in the list...

13:58:26 <MTCarrasco> In other words: structured data in the web

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: In other words: structured data in the web

13:58:36 <MTCarrasco> q+

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: q+

13:58:46 <Caroline> ... the BP 13 is close to the 3 stars, should we make explicity that we are recommending it using the 5 stars?

... the BP 13 is close to the 3 stars, should we make explicity that we are recommending it using the 5 stars?

13:58:55 <Zakim> - +1.609.947.aaaa

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13:59:09 <ericstephan> We will use the email list

Eric Stephan: We will use the email list

13:59:13 <Caroline> yaso2: the queue is closed because we run out of time, I suggest that you continue discussing it by email

Yaso Córdova: the queue is closed because we run out of time, I suggest that you continue discussing it by email

13:59:24 <MTCarrasco> bye

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: bye

13:59:27 <Zakim> -MTCarrasco

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13:59:28 <laufer> bye all

Carlos Laufer: bye all

13:59:29 <riccardoAlbertoni> bye ..

Riccardo Albertoni: bye ..

13:59:29 <yaso2> Bye all

Yaso Córdova: Bye all

13:59:30 <CarlosIglesias> bye bye!

Carlos Iglesias: bye bye!

13:59:30 <Caroline> thank you! Byr

thank you! Byr

13:59:30 <jerdeb> bye

Jeremy Debattista: bye

13:59:30 <Zakim> -SumitPurohit

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13:59:32 <BernadetteLoscio> thanks!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: thanks!

13:59:32 <Zakim> -annette_g

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13:59:32 <Caroline> bye!

bye!

13:59:33 <annette_g> bye

Annette Greiner: bye

13:59:34 <Zakim> -estephan

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13:59:35 <Zakim> -jerdeb

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13:59:36 <Zakim> -RiccardoAlbertoni

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13:59:41 <Zakim> -yaso

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13:59:42 <Zakim> -BernadetteLoscio

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13:59:45 <Zakim> -laufer

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13:59:48 <Zakim> -CarlosIglesias

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13:59:49 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended

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13:59:49 <Zakim> Attendees were SumitPurohit, carolilne, MTCarrasco, annette_g, jerdeb, +1.609.947.aaaa, Caroline, estephan, antoine, newton, laufer, RiccardoAlbertoni, CarlosIglesias,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were SumitPurohit, carolilne, MTCarrasco, annette_g, jerdeb, +1.609.947.aaaa, Caroline, estephan, antoine, newton, laufer, RiccardoAlbertoni, CarlosIglesias,

13:59:49 <Zakim> ... BernadetteLoscio

Zakim IRC Bot: ... BernadetteLoscio

13:59:54 <yaso2> RRSAgent, make logs public

Yaso Córdova: RRSAgent, make logs public

14:01:38 <Adriano_C> Bye! See ya!

Adriano Pereira: Bye! See ya!



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