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15:12:27 <ivan> trackbot, start telcon
Ivan Herman: trackbot, start telcon ←
15:12:29 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
15:12:31 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be dpub ←
15:12:31 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot ←
15:12:32 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
15:12:32 <trackbot> Date: 23 November 2015
15:12:41 <ivan> Chair: Tzviya
15:13:35 <ivan> Regrets: Vlad_Levantovsky, Laura_Fowler, Luc_Audrain
15:14:16 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Nov/0145.html
15:14:43 <ivan> Regrets+ Paul_Belfanti
Ivan Herman: Regrets+ Paul_Belfanti ←
15:56:55 <tzviya> present+ Tzviya_Siegman
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Tzviya Siegman: present+ Tzviya_Siegman ←
15:59:04 <clapierre> present+ Charles_LaPierre
Charles LaPierre: present+ Charles_LaPierre ←
15:59:13 <Karen> present+ Karen
Karen Myers: present+ Karen ←
15:59:17 <dauwhe> present+ Dave_Cramer
Dave Cramer: present+ Dave_Cramer ←
15:59:20 <ivan> Present+ Ivan_Herman
Ivan Herman: Present+ Ivan_Herman ←
16:00:01 <brady_duga> present+ duga
Brady Duga: present+ duga ←
16:01:52 <tzviya> zakim, pick a victim
Tzviya Siegman: zakim, pick a victim ←
16:01:52 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Dave_Cramer
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Dave_Cramer ←
16:02:06 <tzviya> zakim, pick a victim
Tzviya Siegman: zakim, pick a victim ←
16:02:06 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Tzviya_Siegman
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Tzviya_Siegman ←
16:02:07 <astearns> :)
Alan Stearns: :) ←
16:02:16 <tzviya> zakim, pick a victim
Tzviya Siegman: zakim, pick a victim ←
16:02:18 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Karen
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Karen ←
16:02:27 <TimCole> Present+ Tim_Cole
Timothy Cole: Present+ Tim_Cole ←
16:02:28 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe
(Scribe set to Dave Cramer)
16:02:38 <astearns> present+ astearns
Alan Stearns: present+ astearns ←
16:02:44 <nickbarreto> present+ nick_barreto
Scribe problem: the name 'nickbarreto' does not match any of the 107 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Daniel Weck Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Hiroshi Sakakibara Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Junichi Chiba Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Romain Deltour Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Takao Baba Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'nickbarreto' does not match any of the 107 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Daniel Weck Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Hiroshi Sakakibara Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Junichi Chiba Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Romain Deltour Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Takao Baba Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown nickbarreto: present+ nick_barreto ←
16:02:47 <ayla_stein> present+ ayla_stein
Ayla Stein: present+ ayla_stein ←
16:03:02 <dauwhe> tzviya: let's get started
Tzviya Siegman: let's get started ←
16:03:22 <dauwhe> ... we need to approve the minutes from last week
... we need to approve the minutes from last week ←
16:03:33 <dauwhe> ... any comments?
... any comments? ←
16:03:37 <dauwhe> (silence, sortof)
(silence, sortof) ←
16:03:42 <dauwhe> ... minutes approved.
... minutes approved. ←
16:03:48 <dauwhe> ivan: minutes are perfect.
Ivan Herman: minutes are perfect. ←
16:03:56 <dkaplan3> Present+ Deborah_Kaplan
Deborah Kaplan: Present+ Deborah_Kaplan ←
16:03:59 <dauwhe> tzviya: Topic: CSS examples
Tzviya Siegman: Topic: CSS examples ←
16:04:53 <dauwhe> ... we still need volunteers; we've had some on the list
... we still need volunteers; we've had some on the list ←
16:05:02 <dauwhe> ... I had offered to provide some samples to Dave
... I had offered to provide some samples to Dave ←
16:05:09 <Daniel-Weck> Trying to get into WebEx...what the password? :)
Daniel Weck: Trying to get into WebEx...what the password? :) ←
16:05:26 <dauwhe> ... there's been some back and forth
... there's been some back and forth ←
16:05:50 <dauwhe> ... we need more samples for the csswg
... we need more samples for the csswg ←
16:06:03 <pkra> present+ Peter Krautzberger
Peter Krautzberger: present+ Peter Krautzberger ←
16:06:33 <liam> present+ Liam_Quin
Liam Quin: present+ Liam_Quin ←
16:06:40 <ivan> Present+ Daniel_Weck
Ivan Herman: Present+ Daniel_Weck ←
16:06:42 <HeatherF> present +Heather_Flanagan
Heather Flanagan: present +Heather_Flanagan ←
16:06:59 <dauwhe> dauwhe: examples from decimal alignment of tables
Dave Cramer: examples from decimal alignment of tables ←
16:07:07 <dauwhe> astearns: printed examples are better
Alan Stearns: printed examples are better ←
16:07:23 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:07:28 <dauwhe> tzviya: I can provide some PDFs, Paul offered
Tzviya Siegman: I can provide some PDFs, Paul offered ←
16:07:42 <tzviya> ack iv
Tzviya Siegman: ack iv ←
16:07:46 <dauwhe> ... a colleague sent me a list of issues
... a colleague sent me a list of issues ←
16:07:54 <dauwhe> ivan: I might have another example
Ivan Herman: I might have another example ←
16:08:13 <dauwhe> ... a guy from Germany at a small pub talked to me about a book they put together by cutting and pasting journal articles
... a guy from Germany at a small pub talked to me about a book they put together by cutting and pasting journal articles ←
16:08:18 <dauwhe> ... kind of a collage
... kind of a collage ←
16:08:23 <Bert> Present+
16:08:30 <dauwhe> ... he had something in PDF, 5k pages
... he had something in PDF, 5k pages ←
16:08:40 <dauwhe> ... he may send me a few pages
... he may send me a few pages ←
16:08:50 <rdeltour> present+ Romain Deltour
Romain Deltour: present+ Romain Deltour ←
16:08:51 <dauwhe> ... might have usage of float
... might have usage of float ←
16:09:01 <dauwhe> ... if I get it I'll send it to the list
... if I get it I'll send it to the list ←
16:09:10 <dauwhe> ... and we can comment
... and we can comment ←
16:09:24 <dauwhe> tzviya: I feel bad for the person reading a five thousand page PDF
Tzviya Siegman: I feel bad for the person reading a five thousand page PDF ←
16:09:43 <dauwhe> ivan: print is 5k pages, they want to reproduce digitally
Ivan Herman: print is 5k pages, they want to reproduce digitally ←
16:10:11 <dauwhe> ... anyone else with funky examples?
... anyone else with funky examples? ←
16:10:19 <dauwhe> Topic: Romain
16:10:41 <Bill_Kasdorf> present+ Bill_Kasdorf
Bill Kasdorf: present+ Bill_Kasdorf ←
16:10:42 <dauwhe> rdeltour: here on behalf of DAISY; also a member of EPUB WG
Romain Deltour: here on behalf of DAISY; also a member of EPUB WG ←
16:10:52 <dauwhe> tzviya: we're happy to have you
Tzviya Siegman: we're happy to have you ←
16:11:09 <dauwhe> Topic: New PWP Identifier Task Force
16:11:21 <dauwhe> tzviya: who's in, who's leading, goals, etc.
Tzviya Siegman: who's in, who's leading, goals, etc. ←
16:11:29 <dauwhe> ... Bill, are you on phone
... Bill, are you on phone ←
16:11:40 <dauwhe> ... markus mentioned you agreed to lead
... markus mentioned you agreed to lead ←
16:11:47 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: Yes, I was volunteered
Bill Kasdorf: Yes, I was volunteered ←
16:12:05 <dauwhe> tzviya: Romain, Matt, and Markus have agreed to be on the Task Force
Tzviya Siegman: Romain, Matt, and Markus have agreed to be on the Task Force ←
16:12:09 <dauwhe> ivan: and probably me
Ivan Herman: and probably me ←
16:12:13 <dauwhe> tzviya: and me
Tzviya Siegman: and me ←
16:12:28 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: the arm-twisting began with the statement y'all would be on the task force
Bill Kasdorf: the arm-twisting began with the statement y'all would be on the task force ←
16:12:41 <dauwhe> (general hilarity ensues)
(general hilarity ensues) ←
16:12:59 <dauwhe> tzviya: any other volunteers? But first let's talk about goals
Tzviya Siegman: any other volunteers? But first let's talk about goals ←
16:13:11 <dauwhe> ... this group will be working with EPUB 3.1 WG
... this group will be working with EPUB 3.1 WG ←
16:13:25 <dauwhe> ... with goal of identifying proposals for identifiers for both EPUB 3.1 and PWP
... with goal of identifying proposals for identifiers for both EPUB 3.1 and PWP ←
16:13:35 <dauwhe> ... submitting solutions to EPUB 3.1 by March
... submitting solutions to EPUB 3.1 by March ←
16:13:43 <dauwhe> ... forward-compatible
... forward-compatible ←
16:13:52 <dauwhe> ... talking about package identifier, not fragment identifiers
... talking about package identifier, not fragment identifiers ←
16:14:04 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:14:08 <tzviya> ack iv
Tzviya Siegman: ack iv ←
16:14:13 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: while component and frag identifiers are still in scope, the initial path is package identifiers
Bill Kasdorf: while component and frag identifiers are still in scope, the initial path is package identifiers ←
16:14:38 <dauwhe> ivan: I think that talking about pub identifier without talking about ID of components won't work
Ivan Herman: I think that talking about pub identifier without talking about ID of components won't work ←
16:14:45 <dauwhe> ... but we don't need to worry about fragments
... but we don't need to worry about fragments ←
16:15:01 <dauwhe> tzviya: we can talk about identifying the package and ch1, but not words in ch1
Tzviya Siegman: we can talk about identifying the package and ch1, but not words in ch1 ←
16:15:02 <dauwhe> ivan: correct
Ivan Herman: correct ←
16:15:24 <dauwhe> tzviya: another issue is the state of the package; IDs need to be state-agnostic
Tzviya Siegman: another issue is the state of the package; IDs need to be state-agnostic ←
16:15:35 <dauwhe> ... also relevant to EPUB 3.1 and the BFF format
... also relevant to EPUB 3.1 and the BFF format ←
16:15:52 <dauwhe> ... the portable EPUB (traditional) and BFF (readable online)
... the portable EPUB (traditional) and BFF (readable online) ←
16:15:58 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: not to blend these discussions
Bill Kasdorf: not to blend these discussions ←
16:16:10 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
16:16:15 <dauwhe> ... BFF discussion is currently being thought of as a tightening up of EPUB 3.1
... BFF discussion is currently being thought of as a tightening up of EPUB 3.1 ←
16:16:40 <ayla_stein> I'd be interested in participating on this working group
Ayla Stein: I'd be interested in participating on this working group ←
16:16:44 <dauwhe> ... Dave mentioned progressive enhancement last week
... Dave mentioned progressive enhancement last week ←
16:16:59 <dauwhe> ... does there need to be a distinction between relaxed epub and tightened-up epub?
... does there need to be a distinction between relaxed epub and tightened-up epub? ←
16:17:04 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:17:11 <dauwhe> tzviya: let's not get into this now; let's focus on identifiers
Tzviya Siegman: let's not get into this now; let's focus on identifiers ←
16:17:18 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: the reason I mentioned that
Bill Kasdorf: the reason I mentioned that ←
16:17:35 <dauwhe> ... there is some recent work on ISTC
... there is some recent work on ISTC ←
16:17:39 <dauwhe> ... which was moribund
... which was moribund ←
16:17:46 <dauwhe> ... where that seems to be going
... where that seems to be going ←
16:17:57 <dauwhe> ... it identifies in a more abstract way what is a publication
... it identifies in a more abstract way what is a publication ←
16:18:11 <dauwhe> ... it may allow various degrees of clustering
... it may allow various degrees of clustering ←
16:18:20 <dauwhe> ... this ISTC covers all versions of pub in English
... this ISTC covers all versions of pub in English ←
16:18:31 <dauwhe> ... this other layer distinguishes between en-us and en-gb
... this other layer distinguishes between en-us and en-gb ←
16:18:40 <dauwhe> ... this other layer deals with translations or abridgements
... this other layer deals with translations or abridgements ←
16:19:16 <dauwhe> ... Ivan brought up we need URL and URN;
... Ivan brought up we need URL and URN; ←
16:19:27 <dauwhe> ... Our spec should be agnostic about those identifiers
... Our spec should be agnostic about those identifiers ←
16:19:36 <dauwhe> ... we should provide syntax
... we should provide syntax ←
16:19:40 <tzviya> ack ivan
Tzviya Siegman: ack ivan ←
16:19:49 <dauwhe> ivan: two different things
Ivan Herman: two different things ←
16:20:03 <dauwhe> ... first, I would say that this task force is not really about identifiers
... first, I would say that this task force is not really about identifiers ←
16:20:11 <dauwhe> ... we do not, must not define identifiers
... we do not, must not define identifiers ←
16:20:13 <tzviya> +1
Tzviya Siegman: +1 ←
16:20:17 <dauwhe> ... we are talking about locators
... we are talking about locators ←
16:20:20 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: thanks
Bill Kasdorf: thanks ←
16:20:37 <dauwhe> ... if you call task force identifiers you get into the morass
... if you call task force identifiers you get into the morass ←
16:20:42 <dauwhe> ivan: we should talk about locators
Ivan Herman: we should talk about locators ←
16:20:47 <dauwhe> ... what I wanted to say is
... what I wanted to say is ←
16:20:53 <dauwhe> ... I see two goals
... I see two goals ←
16:21:01 <nickbarreto> q+
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Scribe problem: the name 'nickbarreto' does not match any of the 107 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Akshat Joshi Alan Tam Alan Stearns Amine Abidi Anton Leskovets Avneesh Singh Ayla Stein Ben Holden-Crowther Ben De Meester Benjamin Young Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Bryan Croft Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Chris Lilley Daniel Schwabe Daniel Weck Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Dean Jackson Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Florian Rivoal Frank Liu George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Flanagan Heather Reid Hiroshi Sakakibara Ivan Herman Jeff Xu Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Johannes Wilm John Shaw Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Junichi Chiba Karen Myers Kasar Masood Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Fowler Leonard Rosenthol Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Matt Garrish Mia Lipner Michael Miller Michael Cooper Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Nicholas Barreto Nicholas Ruffilo Nishit Jain Noel Tanner Paolo Ciccarese Patrick Keating Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Rajesh Ranjan Richard Schwerdtfeger Richard Ishida Robert Sanderson Romain Deltour Satoshi Kojima Shane McCarron Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Susann Keohane Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Takao Baba Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom De Nies Toru Kawakubo Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vladimir Levantovsky William McCoy William Mischo Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown nickbarreto: q+ ←
16:21:13 <dauwhe> ... we have discussed a drafty thing in the PWP draft
... we have discussed a drafty thing in the PWP draft ←
16:21:21 <dauwhe> ... we must clean up this draft
... we must clean up this draft ←
16:21:30 <dauwhe> ... to see if it is proper, and what we need
... to see if it is proper, and what we need ←
16:21:36 <dauwhe> ... so manifest is workable etc
... so manifest is workable etc ←
16:21:44 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
16:21:47 <dauwhe> ... I'd like a proof of concept
... I'd like a proof of concept ←
16:21:51 <dauwhe> ... showing it could work
... showing it could work ←
16:22:05 <dauwhe> ... and we have to identify if there's anything there that should become a long-term standard
... and we have to identify if there's anything there that should become a long-term standard ←
16:22:15 <dauwhe> ... maybe in a year we will set up a WG somewhere
... maybe in a year we will set up a WG somewhere ←
16:22:33 <dauwhe> ... to standardize
... to standardize ←
16:23:01 <dauwhe> ... what of this can be used for EPUB 3.1 in spite of constraints
... what of this can be used for EPUB 3.1 in spite of constraints ←
16:23:06 <tzviya> ack nick
Tzviya Siegman: ack nick ←
16:23:07 <dauwhe> ... but we need longer-term focus
... but we need longer-term focus ←
16:23:23 <dauwhe> nickbarreto: In relation to locaters
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Unknown nickbarreto: In relation to locaters ←
16:23:29 <dauwhe> ... chapters within a publication
... chapters within a publication ←
16:23:50 <dauwhe> ... is there any need for implicit relationship between locators
... is there any need for implicit relationship between locators ←
16:23:56 <dauwhe> ... in ch1 knowing ch2 is next
... in ch1 knowing ch2 is next ←
16:24:08 <dauwhe> ivan: I'm not sure I understand
Ivan Herman: I'm not sure I understand ←
16:24:30 <dauwhe> tzviya: is what you're talking about the relative position in the file?
Tzviya Siegman: is what you're talking about the relative position in the file? ←
16:24:41 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:24:43 <dauwhe> nickbarreto: should locators have relationshipo with each other
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Unknown nickbarreto: should locators have relationshipo with each other ←
16:24:46 <tzviya> ack iv
Tzviya Siegman: ack iv ←
16:24:54 <dauwhe> ivan: what you just said...
Ivan Herman: what you just said... ←
16:25:26 <dauwhe> ... the way we define PWP is a set of different resources that someone decided belonged together
... the way we define PWP is a set of different resources that someone decided belonged together ←
16:25:37 <TimCole> q+
Timothy Cole: q+ ←
16:25:42 <dauwhe> ... locators can be very different... ch1 and foobar1 which could belong to the same doc
... locators can be very different... ch1 and foobar1 which could belong to the same doc ←
16:25:48 <dauwhe> ... so we shouldn't make assumptions
... so we shouldn't make assumptions ←
16:25:56 <dauwhe> ... maybe we need mapping in manifest
... maybe we need mapping in manifest ←
16:26:03 <dauwhe> ... and this is all part of the discussion
... and this is all part of the discussion ←
16:26:19 <dauwhe> ... the starting point is someone decides to conceptually put together resources from all over the place
... the starting point is someone decides to conceptually put together resources from all over the place ←
16:26:35 <dauwhe> tzviya: I think it's also important to recognize that IDPF is working on specific things
Tzviya Siegman: I think it's also important to recognize that IDPF is working on specific things ←
16:26:45 <dauwhe> ... and the goal of this task force is strictly the locator
... and the goal of this task force is strictly the locator ←
16:26:56 <dauwhe> ... IDPF is worrying about linearity and spine and manfiest and such
... IDPF is worrying about linearity and spine and manfiest and such ←
16:27:02 <tzviya> ack tim
Tzviya Siegman: ack tim ←
16:27:07 <dauwhe> ... the goal of this task force is strictly the locator
... the goal of this task force is strictly the locator ←
16:27:16 <dauwhe> TimCole: this might be out of scope in near term
Timothy Cole: this might be out of scope in near term ←
16:27:21 <dauwhe> ... with journals
... with journals ←
16:27:32 <dauwhe> ... article 1 in Journal A will be article 7 in Journal B
... article 1 in Journal A will be article 7 in Journal B ←
16:27:39 <dauwhe> ... so locators can't have sequencing
... so locators can't have sequencing ←
16:27:52 <dauwhe> ... we shouldn't make assumptions about these things
... we shouldn't make assumptions about these things ←
16:28:21 <dauwhe> tzviya: we're not talking about how to assemple the package, just how to locate items in the package
Tzviya Siegman: we're not talking about how to assemple the package, just how to locate items in the package ←
16:28:33 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: it's 2-layered
Bill Kasdorf: it's 2-layered ←
16:28:41 <dauwhe> ... locate package, then you can locate components
... locate package, then you can locate components ←
16:28:49 <dauwhe> tzviya: in practice, it might not be so two-stepped
Tzviya Siegman: in practice, it might not be so two-stepped ←
16:28:56 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
16:29:02 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: you have to have that single high-level locator
Bill Kasdorf: you have to have that single high-level locator ←
16:29:14 <dauwhe> ... it's not just a collection; the collection itself has to have a locator
... it's not just a collection; the collection itself has to have a locator ←
16:29:30 <dauwhe> tzviya: now that we've talked a bit about what this group will do
Tzviya Siegman: now that we've talked a bit about what this group will do ←
16:29:37 <dauwhe> ... timeline for proposals is March
... timeline for proposals is March ←
16:29:45 <dauwhe> ... any other volunteers
... any other volunteers ←
16:29:52 <dauwhe> Ivan: not identifier
Ivan Herman: not identifier ←
16:29:57 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: change name to locator?
Bill Kasdorf: change name to locator? ←
16:29:59 <dauwhe> tzviya: yes
Tzviya Siegman: yes ←
16:30:26 <dauwhe> (the usual silence when volunteers are requested)
(the usual silence when volunteers are requested) ←
16:30:42 <HeatherF> I will sign up
Heather Flanagan: I will sign up ←
16:30:55 <ayla_stein> *thumbs up*
Ayla Stein: *thumbs up* ←
16:31:18 <dauwhe> Topic: Call for Consensus on next publication of PWPWP
16:31:23 <tzviya> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwp/
Tzviya Siegman: http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwp/ ←
16:31:46 <dauwhe> tzviya: here's the current draft
Tzviya Siegman: here's the current draft ←
16:31:55 <dauwhe> ... of the portable web publications white paper
... of the portable web publications white paper ←
16:31:58 <dauwhe> ... what's changed?
... what's changed? ←
16:32:05 <dauwhe> ivan: I did give an update last week
Ivan Herman: I did give an update last week ←
16:32:24 <dauwhe> ... a few comments on grammar etc
... a few comments on grammar etc ←
16:32:38 <dauwhe> tzviya: ralph has checked for grammar
Tzviya Siegman: ralph has checked for grammar ←
16:32:46 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: FPWD?
Bill Kasdorf: FPWD? ←
16:32:49 <dauwhe> ivan: no, second
Ivan Herman: no, second ←
16:33:05 <dauwhe> ... that's an ED, but I turn it into WD during formal publication process
... that's an ED, but I turn it into WD during formal publication process ←
16:33:14 <dauwhe> tzviya: we can do call for consensus now
Tzviya Siegman: we can do call for consensus now ←
16:33:23 <dauwhe> ivan: don't need to be formal
Ivan Herman: don't need to be formal ←
16:33:29 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
16:33:33 <dauwhe> ... does anyone formally object
... does anyone formally object ←
16:33:38 <dauwhe> (the good kind of silence)
(the good kind of silence) ←
16:33:47 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to publishing
Bill Kasdorf: +1 to publishing ←
16:33:54 <dauwhe> ivan: will probably be published on Thursday
Ivan Herman: will probably be published on Thursday ←
16:34:00 <dauwhe> ... you americans will be eating Turkey
... you americans will be eating Turkey ←
16:34:05 <ayla_stein> "turkey" for those of us who are vegetarian
Ayla Stein: "turkey" for those of us who are vegetarian ←
16:34:21 <dauwhe> Topic: what next with PWPWP?
16:34:58 <dauwhe> tzviya: one next step is putting together proposals for EPUB 3.1 WG
Tzviya Siegman: one next step is putting together proposals for EPUB 3.1 WG ←
16:35:09 <dauwhe> ... did Ivan and Markus discuss?
... did Ivan and Markus discuss? ←
16:35:15 <dauwhe> ivan: yes, we agreed Markus would lead
Ivan Herman: yes, we agreed Markus would lead ←
16:35:31 <dauwhe> (possible synchronicity)
(possible synchronicity) ←
16:35:42 <dauwhe> ivan: we clarified some items for ourselves
Ivan Herman: we clarified some items for ourselves ←
16:35:56 <dauwhe> ... what I said about locator task force is to work out some details
... what I said about locator task force is to work out some details ←
16:36:04 <dauwhe> ... this is one way of moving ahead
... this is one way of moving ahead ←
16:36:08 <dauwhe> ... there are some other areas
... there are some other areas ←
16:36:20 <dauwhe> ... and I don't be the one writing all the details for all the areas
... and I don't be the one writing all the details for all the areas ←
16:36:33 <dauwhe> ... so I would like to have a clearer idea where we go with this work
... so I would like to have a clearer idea where we go with this work ←
16:36:39 <dauwhe> ... in the coming half-year or year
... in the coming half-year or year ←
16:36:47 <dauwhe> ... and see if there are areas other people want to pick up
... and see if there are areas other people want to pick up ←
16:36:53 <dauwhe> ... like security
... like security ←
16:36:58 <dauwhe> ... the user-control issues
... the user-control issues ←
16:37:12 <dauwhe> ... the packaging stuff we can put on hold for a while
... the packaging stuff we can put on hold for a while ←
16:37:24 <dauwhe> ... I want to see if all these ideas make sense
... I want to see if all these ideas make sense ←
16:37:31 <dauwhe> ... Jake put together a skeleton
... Jake put together a skeleton ←
16:37:37 <dauwhe> ... and Daniel in Readium
... and Daniel in Readium ←
16:37:49 <dauwhe> ... can we put togehter a proof-of-concept implementation
... can we put togehter a proof-of-concept implementation ←
16:37:55 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
16:37:57 <dauwhe> ... and this might surface other issues
... and this might surface other issues ←
16:38:25 <dauwhe> ... and I can't do it all by myself
... and I can't do it all by myself ←
16:38:34 <dauwhe> tzviya: we haven't talked much about an archive format
Tzviya Siegman: we haven't talked much about an archive format ←
16:39:00 <ayla_stein> YES
Ayla Stein: YES ←
16:39:08 <ayla_stein> *waves*
Ayla Stein: *waves* ←
16:39:09 <dauwhe> ... which is nice for pubs but crucuial for the library community
... which is nice for pubs but crucuial for the library community ←
16:39:19 <dauwhe> ... it would involve talking with other communities
... it would involve talking with other communities ←
16:39:32 <HeatherF> Yep
Heather Flanagan: Yep ←
16:39:35 <dauwhe> ... heather has some involvement, too
... heather has some involvement, too ←
16:39:38 <dauwhe> ... and Lars
... and Lars ←
16:39:47 <dauwhe> ... who was sitting in at TPAC
... who was sitting in at TPAC ←
16:39:58 <dauwhe> ... so we do have some members involved with the library community
... so we do have some members involved with the library community ←
16:40:21 <dauwhe> ... and dauwhe posted a link to a service worker experiment
... and dauwhe posted a link to a service worker experiment ←
16:40:35 <dauwhe> ivan: we have to look at the document
Ivan Herman: we have to look at the document ←
16:40:44 <dauwhe> ... the document can be used as a scratch pad
... the document can be used as a scratch pad ←
16:41:04 <dauwhe> ... we put in sections on technical areas that must be addressed
... we put in sections on technical areas that must be addressed ←
16:41:19 <dauwhe> ... we can use same approach for what library/archiving community needs
... we can use same approach for what library/archiving community needs ←
16:41:26 <dauwhe> ... so we may need a new task force
... so we may need a new task force ←
16:41:35 <dauwhe> ... and looking at what's there... is it OK or not
... and looking at what's there... is it OK or not ←
16:42:00 <dauwhe> tzviya: before we move on to acme publishing
Tzviya Siegman: before we move on to acme publishing ←
16:42:08 <TimCole> yes
Timothy Cole: yes ←
16:42:09 <ayla_stein> yep
Ayla Stein: yep ←
16:42:18 <dauwhe> ... ayla, tim, heather... can you begin exploring library/archiving stuff?
... ayla, tim, heather... can you begin exploring library/archiving stuff? ←
16:42:21 <HeatherF> Yes, though I need to some guidance on exactly what to ask.
Heather Flanagan: Yes, though I need to some guidance on exactly what to ask. ←
16:42:31 <dauwhe> tzviya: do we want a timeline?
Tzviya Siegman: do we want a timeline? ←
16:42:53 <dauwhe> HeatherF: I'm happy to reach out to library community; I need guidance on what we're asking for
Heather Flanagan: I'm happy to reach out to library community; I need guidance on what we're asking for ←
16:43:01 <dauwhe> TimCole: scope will determine timeline
Timothy Cole: scope will determine timeline ←
16:43:11 <dauwhe> ... but this is of great interest to library community
... but this is of great interest to library community ←
16:43:26 <dauwhe> ... what are the obligations of an archive as formats evolve
... what are the obligations of an archive as formats evolve ←
16:43:39 <dauwhe> ivan: I see a task force forming
Ivan Herman: I see a task force forming ←
16:43:46 <dauwhe> TimCole: what kinds of things would be needed?
Timothy Cole: what kinds of things would be needed? ←
16:44:01 <dauwhe> tzviya: the first step would be looking at the PWPWP section about archiving
Tzviya Siegman: the first step would be looking at the PWPWP section about archiving ←
16:44:13 <dauwhe> ... and asking people involved in archiving if their use cases are addressed
... and asking people involved in archiving if their use cases are addressed ←
16:44:23 <dauwhe> .... that's a basic first step
.... that's a basic first step ←
16:44:28 <dauwhe> TimCole: we can come up with more use cases
Timothy Cole: we can come up with more use cases ←
16:44:44 <dauwhe> ivan: once those use cases are clear in our minds, how does it influence the rest of the document
Ivan Herman: once those use cases are clear in our minds, how does it influence the rest of the document ←
16:45:02 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: there's an intersection with the locator group, which is versioning
Bill Kasdorf: there's an intersection with the locator group, which is versioning ←
16:45:07 <dauwhe> TimCole: definitely
Timothy Cole: definitely ←
16:45:28 <dauwhe> ... should we go off now and come up with ideas?
... should we go off now and come up with ideas? ←
16:45:36 <dauwhe> ivan: go on
Ivan Herman: go on ←
16:45:44 <dauwhe> ... I don't think Markus has specific things in mind
... I don't think Markus has specific things in mind ←
16:46:09 <dauwhe> TimCole: given the holiday, it's probably premature to plan on this as topic for next week, but maybe the week after
Timothy Cole: given the holiday, it's probably premature to plan on this as topic for next week, but maybe the week after ←
16:46:10 <HeatherF> Email works fo rme.
Heather Flanagan: Email works fo rme. ←
16:46:17 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:46:18 <dauwhe> ... we can discuss on email with interested parties
... we can discuss on email with interested parties ←
16:46:23 <tzviya> ack iv
Tzviya Siegman: ack iv ←
16:46:25 <dauwhe> tzviya: ivan, can you reach out to Lars?
Tzviya Siegman: ivan, can you reach out to Lars? ←
16:46:31 <dauwhe> ivan: yes
Ivan Herman: yes ←
16:46:43 <dauwhe> ... first, let's see what Tim et al come up with; then we can bring in Lars
... first, let's see what Tim et al come up with; then we can bring in Lars ←
16:46:51 <dauwhe> ... we need something more tangible for him
... we need something more tangible for him ←
16:46:59 <dauwhe> tzviya: you were on the queue
Tzviya Siegman: you were on the queue ←
16:47:08 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
16:47:09 <dauwhe> ivan: Yes
Ivan Herman: Yes ←
16:47:19 <dauwhe> tzviya: we were going to look at acme publishing
Tzviya Siegman: we were going to look at acme publishing ←
16:48:27 <pkra> even MathJax works offline :)
Peter Krautzberger: even MathJax works offline :) ←
16:48:34 <pkra> so cool, dauwhe!
Peter Krautzberger: so cool, dauwhe! ←
16:49:00 <dauwhe> ivan: if I take heat radiation
Ivan Herman: if I take heat radiation ←
16:49:13 <pkra> (caveat emptor: which has some horrible MathML coding...)
Peter Krautzberger: (caveat emptor: which has some horrible MathML coding...) ←
16:50:28 <dauwhe> ivan: the question is how can we use this starting code and publications
Ivan Herman: the question is how can we use this starting code and publications ←
16:50:34 <dauwhe> ... as being a proof of concept for PWP
... as being a proof of concept for PWP ←
16:50:44 <dauwhe> ... from your point of view, what are the missing bits
... from your point of view, what are the missing bits ←
16:51:22 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
16:52:35 <dauwhe> tzviya: epub comes with a lot; somethings that's good and sometimes it's bad
Tzviya Siegman: epub comes with a lot; somethings that's good and sometimes it's bad ←
16:52:53 <dauwhe> ... maybe we can improve the a11y
... maybe we can improve the a11y ←
16:53:00 <dauwhe> tzviya: there's more to do with this
Tzviya Siegman: there's more to do with this ←
16:53:09 <dauwhe> ... it exists in a rudimentary way, but we can add more
... it exists in a rudimentary way, but we can add more ←
16:53:15 <dauwhe> ivan: from our point of view
Ivan Herman: from our point of view ←
16:53:21 <dauwhe> ... what I would like to separate
... what I would like to separate ←
16:53:33 <dauwhe> ... what should be done by a smart implementation
... what should be done by a smart implementation ←
16:53:48 <dauwhe> ... and what is necessary to add to the basic technology
... and what is necessary to add to the basic technology ←
16:54:02 <dauwhe> ... in a way, the user interface is not our job
... in a way, the user interface is not our job ←
16:54:32 <dauwhe> dauwhe: but we want the format to at least make this kind of thing possible
Dave Cramer: but we want the format to at least make this kind of thing possible ←
16:55:01 <dauwhe> tzviya: it would be helpful to get more feedback, review from more people
Tzviya Siegman: it would be helpful to get more feedback, review from more people ←
16:55:12 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
16:55:16 <dauwhe> me astearns: LOL
astearns: LOL ←
16:55:16 <pkra> yes.
Peter Krautzberger: yes. ←
16:55:22 <ayla_stein> ...not really
Ayla Stein: ...not really ←
16:55:26 <dauwhe> s/me//me/
16:55:30 <ayla_stein> no
Ayla Stein: no ←
16:55:39 <dauwhe> tzviya: we've been assuming people are familiar with service workers
Tzviya Siegman: we've been assuming people are familiar with service workers ←
16:55:47 <dauwhe> ... but some might not be so familiar with this work
... but some might not be so familiar with this work ←
16:55:58 <ayla_stein> okay, thank you!
Ayla Stein: okay, thank you! ←
16:56:03 <ayla_stein> I'll try to do some reading too
Ayla Stein: I'll try to do some reading too ←
16:56:04 <dauwhe> ... we have just five minutes, but should give more background
... we have just five minutes, but should give more background ←
16:56:24 <dauwhe> ivan: and how does it relate to the pwp conversation
Ivan Herman: and how does it relate to the pwp conversation ←
16:56:33 <Daniel-Weck> Service Workers: I posted comments in response to Ivan's issue on GitHub:
Daniel Weck: Service Workers: I posted comments in response to Ivan's issue on GitHub: ←
16:56:33 <Daniel-Weck> https://github.com/w3c/dpub-pwp/issues/6#issuecomment-158994118
Daniel Weck: https://github.com/w3c/dpub-pwp/issues/6#issuecomment-158994118 ←
16:56:38 <dauwhe> tzviya: next time we talk about this, we'll give more background
Tzviya Siegman: next time we talk about this, we'll give more background ←
16:56:48 <Bill_Kasdorf> Proposed motto for Acme Publishing: When you have an anvil, everything looks like a roadrunner.
Bill Kasdorf: Proposed motto for Acme Publishing: When you have an anvil, everything looks like a roadrunner. ←
16:56:52 <dauwhe> ... please look and give Dave feedback
... please look and give Dave feedback ←
16:56:59 <dauwhe> ... and tell us if it's creating trouble
... and tell us if it's creating trouble ←
16:57:12 <tzviya> q?
Tzviya Siegman: q? ←
16:57:45 <dauwhe> ivan: do we want to do a cleaned-up repo as PWP proof of concept eventually
Ivan Herman: do we want to do a cleaned-up repo as PWP proof of concept eventually ←
16:58:23 <dauwhe> ... it would be great to have non-books there
... it would be great to have non-books there ←
16:58:49 <dauwhe> ... it would be great to have academic papers, to have magazines
... it would be great to have academic papers, to have magazines ←
16:58:58 <pkra> +q
Peter Krautzberger: +q ←
16:59:01 <dauwhe> ... that may bring up new issues
... that may bring up new issues ←
16:59:15 <dauwhe> tzviya: I'm working on 7 journals; I'll find out if I can publish anything
Tzviya Siegman: I'm working on 7 journals; I'll find out if I can publish anything ←
16:59:48 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: I'm sure you can take a PLOS article
Bill Kasdorf: I'm sure you can take a PLOS article ←
17:00:02 <tzviya> ack pk
Tzviya Siegman: ack pk ←
17:00:04 <dauwhe> tzviya: open access is tricky
Tzviya Siegman: open access is tricky ←
17:00:11 <dauwhe> pkra: I just wanted to volunteer
Peter Krautzberger: I just wanted to volunteer ←
17:00:17 <dauwhe> ... to help with this part
... to help with this part ←
17:00:20 <dauwhe> tzviya: excellent
Tzviya Siegman: excellent ←
17:00:31 <pkra> +1
Peter Krautzberger: +1 ←
17:00:38 <nickbarreto> me +1 Dave is great
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Unknown nickbarreto: me +1 Dave is great ←
17:00:40 <ivan> Dave is great!
Ivan Herman: Dave is great! ←
17:00:41 <tzviya> for the record, dave is great
Tzviya Siegman: for the record, dave is great ←
17:00:43 <ayla_stein> +1
Ayla Stein: +1 ←
17:00:53 <clapierre> +1 Dave!
Charles LaPierre: +1 Dave! ←
17:01:37 <pkra> q+ is there a link to dauwhe's repo?
Peter Krautzberger: q+ is there a link to dauwhe's repo? ←
17:01:38 <Bert> (Is there documentation what rel/class/ID attributes you need to add to make a set of pages into a publication?)
Bert Bos: (Is there documentation what rel/class/ID attributes you need to add to make a set of pages into a publication?) ←
17:01:47 <ivan> https://dauwhe.github.io/epub-zero/acme-publishing/
Ivan Herman: https://dauwhe.github.io/epub-zero/acme-publishing/ ←
17:01:54 <pkra> got it.
Peter Krautzberger: got it. ←
17:01:56 <dauwhe> pkra: https://github.com/dauwhe/epub-zero
Peter Krautzberger: https://github.com/dauwhe/epub-zero ←
17:02:16 <pkra> dauwhe is great.
Peter Krautzberger: dauwhe is great. ←
17:02:17 <dauwhe> tzviya: any closing remarks?
Tzviya Siegman: any closing remarks? ←
17:02:19 <dauwhe> (silence)
(silence) ←
17:02:44 <ayla_stein> thanks!
Ayla Stein: thanks! ←
17:02:48 <dauwhe> tzviya: happy thanksgiving etc
Tzviya Siegman: happy thanksgiving etc ←
17:02:50 <HeatherF> All Americans, enjoy your holiday. All Europeans, enjoy your holiday from Americans.
Heather Flanagan: All Americans, enjoy your holiday. All Europeans, enjoy your holiday from Americans. ←
17:02:54 <dauwhe> (more hilarity)
(more hilarity) ←
17:03:49 <ivan> Regrets+ Markus_Gylling
Ivan Herman: Regrets+ Markus_Gylling ←
17:03:56 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
Ivan Herman: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
17:03:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/23-dpub-minutes.html ivan
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/23-dpub-minutes.html ivan ←
17:04:09 <ivan> zakim, end telcon
Ivan Herman: zakim, end telcon ←
17:04:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'end telcon', ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'end telcon', ivan ←
17:04:17 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
Ivan Herman: trackbot, end telcon ←
17:04:17 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
17:04:17 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Tzviya_Siegman, Charles_LaPierre, Karen, Dave_Cramer, Ivan_Herman, duga, Tim_Cole, astearns, nick_barreto, ayla_stein, Deborah_Kaplan,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Tzviya_Siegman, Charles_LaPierre, Karen, Dave_Cramer, Ivan_Herman, duga, Tim_Cole, astearns, nick_barreto, ayla_stein, Deborah_Kaplan, ←
17:04:20 <Zakim> ... Peter, Krautzberger, Liam_Quin, Daniel_Weck, Bert, Romain, Deltour, Bill_Kasdorf
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Peter, Krautzberger, Liam_Quin, Daniel_Weck, Bert, Romain, Deltour, Bill_Kasdorf ←
17:04:25 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
17:04:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/23-dpub-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/23-dpub-minutes.html trackbot ←
17:04:26 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
17:04:26 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
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