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14:03:06 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
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14:03:06 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 57 minutes
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14:03:07 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:03:07 <trackbot> Date: 25 August 2014
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14:55:22 <Zakim> +azaroth
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14:56:10 <mgylling> mgylling has changed the topic to: meeting agenda for 2014-08-25: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2014Aug/0018.html
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14:57:39 <mgylling> zakim, code?
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14:57:39 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), mgylling
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14:57:41 <Zakim> +clapierre1
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14:58:29 <Zakim> +dauwhe
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14:59:06 <Zakim> +Tzviya
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14:59:16 <Zakim> +pkra
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14:59:36 <Zakim> +??P26
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14:59:40 <Zakim> +??P25
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14:59:45 <Zakim> + +1.339.203.aaaa
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14:59:51 <murakami> zakim,??P26 is me
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14:59:51 <Zakim> +murakami; got it
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15:00:02 <mgylling> zakim, ??P25 is me
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15:00:02 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it
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15:00:18 <dkaplan3> zakim, +1.339.203.aaaa is me
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15:00:18 <Zakim> +dkaplan3; got it
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15:00:42 <mgylling> zakim, who is here?
Markus Gylling: zakim, who is here? ←
15:00:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see azaroth, clapierre1, dauwhe, Tzviya, pkra, murakami, mgylling, dkaplan3
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15:00:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see pkra, tzviya, murakami, mgylling, azaroth, dkaplan3, clapierre, dauwhe, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Karen, ivan, liam, astearns, plinss, trackbot
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15:00:47 <Zakim> +Stearns
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15:00:51 <Zakim> +??P29
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15:01:16 <mgylling> Regrets: Michael Miller, Bill Kasdorf
15:01:40 <Zakim> +duga
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15:01:45 <Zakim> +TimCole
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15:02:06 <dauwhe> Phil Madans is on vacation this week.
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15:02:21 <Zakim> -TimCole
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15:02:30 <Zakim> +pBelfanti
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15:03:03 <Zakim> +TimCole
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15:03:08 <mgylling> zakim, who is here?
Markus Gylling: zakim, who is here? ←
15:03:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see azaroth, clapierre1, dauwhe, Tzviya, pkra, murakami, mgylling, dkaplan3, Stearns, ??P29, duga, pBelfanti, TimCole
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see azaroth, clapierre1, dauwhe, Tzviya, pkra, murakami, mgylling, dkaplan3, Stearns, ??P29, duga, pBelfanti, TimCole ←
15:03:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see pbelfanti, brady_duga, TimCole, pkra, tzviya, murakami, mgylling, azaroth, dkaplan3, clapierre, dauwhe, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Karen, ivan, liam, astearns, plinss,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see pbelfanti, brady_duga, TimCole, pkra, tzviya, murakami, mgylling, azaroth, dkaplan3, clapierre, dauwhe, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Karen, ivan, liam, astearns, plinss, ←
15:03:10 <Zakim> ... trackbot
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15:03:30 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
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15:03:30 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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15:03:32 <Zakim> +Ivan
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15:03:51 <ivan> zakim, drop me
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15:03:51 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
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15:03:53 <Zakim> -Ivan
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15:03:59 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
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15:04:00 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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15:04:00 <Zakim> +Ivan
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15:04:07 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers
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15:04:48 <ivan> zakim, drop me
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15:04:49 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
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15:04:49 <Zakim> -Ivan
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15:04:55 <pkra> mgylling: scribe is pkra
Markus Gylling: scribe is pkra [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:04:56 <Zakim> +Vlad
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15:05:06 <Zakim> +Julie
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15:05:17 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
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15:05:17 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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15:05:18 <Zakim> +Ivan
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15:05:28 <Zakim> +david_stroup
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15:05:37 <pkra> ... discussing the fall activities of task forces
Peter Krautzberger: ... discussing the fall activities of task forces ←
15:05:37 <pkra> ...
Peter Krautzberger: ... ←
15:05:42 <pkra> ... call with PF later today
Peter Krautzberger: ... call with PF later today ←
15:05:59 <pkra> ... previous minutes were approved
Peter Krautzberger: ... previous minutes were approved ←
15:06:01 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:06:04 <fjh> zakim, ipcaller is me
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, ipcaller is me ←
15:06:04 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
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15:06:05 <Julie> Julie is at 646 number
Julie Morris: Julie is at 646 number ←
15:06:21 <pkra> ... missing action item for pkra was added to minutes
Peter Krautzberger: ... missing action item for pkra was added to minutes ←
15:06:22 <david_stroup> I'm 585-217
David Stroup: I'm 585-217 ←
15:06:44 <pkra> ... some task forces have not yet update the tracker for achievables
Peter Krautzberger: ... some task forces have not yet update the tracker for achievables ←
15:06:48 <pkra> ... metadata, a11y
Peter Krautzberger: ... metadata, a11y ←
15:07:14 <pkra> ... last week not covered: styling & layout
Peter Krautzberger: ... last week not covered: styling & layout ←
15:07:15 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
15:07:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see azaroth, clapierre1, dauwhe, Tzviya, pkra, murakami, mgylling, dkaplan3, Stearns, ??P29, duga, pBelfanti, TimCole, Ivan, Karen_Myers, Vlad, Julie, david_stroup,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see azaroth, clapierre1, dauwhe, Tzviya, pkra, murakami, mgylling, dkaplan3, Stearns, ??P29, duga, pBelfanti, TimCole, Ivan, Karen_Myers, Vlad, Julie, david_stroup, ←
15:07:20 <Zakim> ... fjh
Zakim IRC Bot: ... fjh ←
15:07:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see SMc, david_stroup, Julie, Vlad, pbelfanti, brady_duga, TimCole, pkra, tzviya, murakami, mgylling, azaroth, dkaplan3, clapierre, dauwhe, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Karen,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see SMc, david_stroup, Julie, Vlad, pbelfanti, brady_duga, TimCole, pkra, tzviya, murakami, mgylling, azaroth, dkaplan3, clapierre, dauwhe, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, Karen, ←
15:07:20 <Zakim> ... ivan, liam, astearns, plinss, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... ivan, liam, astearns, plinss, trackbot ←
15:07:33 <pkra> ... establish what can be accomplished in fall
Peter Krautzberger: ... establish what can be accomplished in fall ←
15:07:56 <pkra> dauwhe much progress on CSS WG.
Peter Krautzberger: dauwhe much progress on CSS WG. ←
15:08:03 <pkra> ... dropcaps is moving forward
Peter Krautzberger: ... dropcaps is moving forward ←
15:08:08 <pkra> ... issues around non-western scripts
Peter Krautzberger: ... issues around non-western scripts ←
15:08:10 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:08:18 <pkra> ... not a lot of feedback on that (yet)
Peter Krautzberger: ... not a lot of feedback on that (yet) ←
15:08:35 <pkra> ... not necessarily a priority for DPUB since latinrec is the target for DPUB IG
Peter Krautzberger: ... not necessarily a priority for DPUB since latinrec is the target for DPUB IG ←
15:09:09 <murakami> http://vivliostyle.com/
Shinyu Murakami: http://vivliostyle.com/ ←
15:09:23 <pkra> ... murakami start vivliostyle.com
Peter Krautzberger: ... murakami start vivliostyle.com ←
15:09:34 <pkra> ... getting feedback from implementors would be very good
Peter Krautzberger: ... getting feedback from implementors would be very good ←
15:09:44 <pkra> ... otherwise, discussions of footnotes
Peter Krautzberger: ... otherwise, discussions of footnotes ←
15:09:48 <Zakim> +LauraD
Zakim IRC Bot: +LauraD ←
15:10:17 <pkra> ... further progress: CSS regions, CSS page templates
Peter Krautzberger: ... further progress: CSS regions, CSS page templates ←
15:10:47 <pkra> ... would like to get more clarity, e.g., IDPF, CSS WG, where this should be going => DPUB IG might be able help
Peter Krautzberger: ... would like to get more clarity, e.g., IDPF, CSS WG, where this should be going => DPUB IG might be able help ←
15:11:01 <pkra> ... for template layouts
Peter Krautzberger: ... for template layouts ←
15:11:27 <pkra> ... PTG spec; making extensions to that (running heads)
Peter Krautzberger: ... PTG spec; making extensions to that (running heads) ←
15:12:08 <pkra> ... many threads at CSS WG which could use feedback
Peter Krautzberger: ... many threads at CSS WG which could use feedback ←
15:12:12 <tzviya> PTG/s/PGT
Tzviya Siegman: PGT/s/PGT ←
15:12:19 <pkra> ... it's all very powerful stuff for long form content
Peter Krautzberger: ... it's all very powerful stuff for long form content ←
15:12:25 <ivan> s/PTG/PGT/
15:12:57 <pkra> ... discuss if this is a worthy goal
Peter Krautzberger: ... discuss if this is a worthy goal ←
15:13:15 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
15:13:22 <pkra> mgylling: how does this vary? Is this active work or stalling?
Markus Gylling: how does this vary? Is this active work or stalling? [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:13:38 <pkra> dauwhe: CSS regions very active, implementations in progress
Dave Cramer: CSS regions very active, implementations in progress [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:13:48 <pkra> ... CSS page template spec => Allan
Peter Krautzberger: ... CSS page template spec => Allan ←
15:14:06 <pkra> ??? css page template spec. CSS WG open to this cut down version
Alan Stearns: css page template spec. CSS WG open to this cut down version [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:14:20 <pkra> ... doesn't make sense until browsers have paginated view to display these templates
Peter Krautzberger: ... doesn't make sense until browsers have paginated view to display these templates ←
15:14:31 <ivan> s/???/astearns:/
15:14:31 <pkra> ... pushing browser vendors to implement paginated view
Peter Krautzberger: ... pushing browser vendors to implement paginated view ←
15:14:39 <pkra> ... then continue work on spec
Peter Krautzberger: ... then continue work on spec ←
15:14:57 <pkra> ... get browsers on board for touch/scrollable version and paginated version
Peter Krautzberger: ... get browsers on board for touch/scrollable version and paginated version ←
15:14:59 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
15:15:15 <pkra> dauwhe: obvious interest in this at IDPF
Dave Cramer: obvious interest in this at IDPF [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:15:31 <pkra> mgylling: what can we do? Just fleshing out latinrec?
Markus Gylling: what can we do? Just fleshing out latinrec? [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:15:31 <mgylling> ack tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack tzviya ←
15:15:51 <pkra> tzviya: it might be helpful to get started for DPUB IG to take a look at what dauwhe and astearns have added
Tzviya Siegman: it might be helpful to get started for DPUB IG to take a look at what dauwhe and astearns have added [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:16:03 <pkra> ... personally, haven't seen PGT for a year...
Peter Krautzberger: ... personally, haven't seen PGT for a year... ←
15:16:21 <pkra> dauwhe: in the process of writing up something on regions and page templates, footnotes and running heads
Dave Cramer: in the process of writing up something on regions and page templates, footnotes and running heads [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:16:27 <astearns> css page templates (subset of PGT): http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-page-template/
Alan Stearns: css page templates (subset of PGT): http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-page-template/ ←
15:16:34 <pkra> ... will appear at level 4
Peter Krautzberger: ... will appear at level 4 ←
15:16:41 <pkra> ... sketching out problem space
Peter Krautzberger: ... sketching out problem space ←
15:16:56 <pkra> ... what we want to do with these tools, here are the properties that we need to achieve these goals
Peter Krautzberger: ... what we want to do with these tools, here are the properties that we need to achieve these goals ←
15:17:20 <pkra> mgylling: how do you see this IG and IDPF help out to get this to move forward? Concrete things, plz.
Markus Gylling: how do you see this IG and IDPF help out to get this to move forward? Concrete things, plz. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:17:48 <pkra> astearns: 1) start threads or respond to threads on www-style mailing list, showing interest in page templates, footnotes, etc
Alan Stearns: 1) start threads or respond to threads on www-style mailing list, showing interest in page templates, footnotes, etc [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:17:53 <pkra> ... CSS WG likes use cases
Peter Krautzberger: ... CSS WG likes use cases ←
15:18:19 <pkra> ... if you like paginated view and you have a use case for it then it would be very good to hear about it on the list
Peter Krautzberger: ... if you like paginated view and you have a use case for it then it would be very good to hear about it on the list ←
15:18:41 <pkra> mgylling: it would help to point IG to threads when they appear.
Markus Gylling: it would help to point IG to threads when they appear. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:18:47 <pkra> astearns: will do.
Alan Stearns: will do. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:19:06 <pkra> mgylling: PGT not actively pursued at IDPF at this time
Markus Gylling: PGT not actively pursued at IDPF at this time [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:19:18 <pkra> ... awaiting CSS improvements
Peter Krautzberger: ... awaiting CSS improvements ←
15:19:34 <pkra> ... doesn't make sense to start this on the side
Peter Krautzberger: ... doesn't make sense to start this on the side ←
15:19:41 <Zakim> +??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←
15:19:56 <pkra> ... question: how much is already in CSS?
Peter Krautzberger: ... question: how much is already in CSS? ←
15:19:56 <Zakim> + +1.617.640.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.640.aabb ←
15:20:09 <Luc> Sorry to be late
Luc Audrain: Sorry to be late ←
15:20:09 <pkra> dauwhe: there are pieces that are not present yet.
Dave Cramer: there are pieces that are not present yet. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:20:16 <pkra> ... GCPM 4 draft should fill them
Peter Krautzberger: ... GCPM 4 draft should fill them ←
15:20:39 <pkra> ... some questions about paginated view in general.
Peter Krautzberger: ... some questions about paginated view in general. ←
15:20:53 <pkra> ... not sure how much CSS WG has discussed this
Peter Krautzberger: ... not sure how much CSS WG has discussed this ←
15:21:12 <pkra> ... not clear if it should be done more fundamentally / higher up at W3
Peter Krautzberger: ... not clear if it should be done more fundamentally / higher up at W3 ←
15:21:16 <pkra> ... W3C
Peter Krautzberger: ... W3C ←
15:21:39 <pkra> ... can have conversations with CSS WG meeting.
Peter Krautzberger: ... can have conversations with CSS WG meeting. ←
15:22:06 <pkra> ivan: little bit uncertain about having tag is more interested in low-level architecture issues.
Ivan Herman: little bit uncertain about having tag is more interested in low-level architecture issues. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:22:10 <astearns> q+
Alan Stearns: q+ ←
15:22:17 <pkra> ... sceptical if they're interested.
Peter Krautzberger: ... sceptical if they're interested. ←
15:22:37 <pkra> ... would imagine some sort of a document this group should produce on paginated views in general (good arguments etc)
Peter Krautzberger: ... would imagine some sort of a document this group should produce on paginated views in general (good arguments etc) ←
15:22:47 <pkra> ... get a discussion on the advisory forum
Peter Krautzberger: ... get a discussion on the advisory forum ←
15:22:54 <pkra> ... to discuss this high-level issue with other members
Peter Krautzberger: ... to discuss this high-level issue with other members ←
15:23:12 <pkra> ... probably too late for tpac plenary
Peter Krautzberger: ... probably too late for tpac plenary ←
15:23:25 <pkra> ... but that would be a place for a short presentation
Peter Krautzberger: ... but that would be a place for a short presentation ←
15:23:35 <brady_duga> q+
Brady Duga: q+ ←
15:23:43 <pkra> ... some sweet&short document on the importance & challenge of paginated view
Peter Krautzberger: ... some sweet&short document on the importance & challenge of paginated view ←
15:23:52 <mgylling> ack astearns
Markus Gylling: ack astearns ←
15:23:57 <pkra> ... have some place where we can start the discussion
Peter Krautzberger: ... have some place where we can start the discussion ←
15:24:15 <pkra> astearns: tag might be interested in access to the results of the paginated view.
Alan Stearns: tag might be interested in access to the results of the paginated view. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:24:22 <pkra> ... results from Opera
Peter Krautzberger: ... results from Opera ←
15:24:29 <pkra> ... you have no way of telling which content lands on which page
Peter Krautzberger: ... you have no way of telling which content lands on which page ←
15:24:45 <pkra> ... not useful for our purposes when you don't know where e.g. footnotes landed.
Peter Krautzberger: ... not useful for our purposes when you don't know where e.g. footnotes landed. ←
15:24:55 <mgylling> ack brady_duga
Markus Gylling: ack brady_duga ←
15:25:21 <pkra> brady_duga: that's what I brought up at last years tpac
Brady Duga: that's what I brought up at last years tpac [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:25:38 <pkra> mgylling: there's a fundamental spec missing?
Markus Gylling: there's a fundamental spec missing? [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:25:43 <pkra> ivan: little bit more general
Ivan Herman: little bit more general [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:25:49 <pkra> ... not just a spec but a "view of the world"
Peter Krautzberger: ... not just a spec but a "view of the world" ←
15:25:54 <astearns> spec so far: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-overflow/#paginated-overflow (empty section with three issues) :)
Alan Stearns: spec so far: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-overflow/#paginated-overflow (empty section with three issues) :) ←
15:25:57 <pkra> ... it might affect several specs
Peter Krautzberger: ... it might affect several specs ←
15:26:19 <pkra> ... currently fundamental belief: everything on the web should be done by scrollable view
Peter Krautzberger: ... currently fundamental belief: everything on the web should be done by scrollable view ←
15:26:26 <pkra> ... this would need to be challenged
Peter Krautzberger: ... this would need to be challenged ←
15:26:35 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
15:26:42 <pkra> dauwhe: second that.
Dave Cramer: second that. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:26:53 <pkra> ivan: what can we do?
Ivan Herman: what can we do? [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:27:09 <pkra> dauwhe: talk to Peter Lance (?) if there's any tag interest in that.
Dave Cramer: talk to Peter Linss (?) if there's any tag interest in that. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:27:21 <dauwhe> s/Lance/Linss/
15:27:21 <ivan> s/Lance(?)/Linss/
Ivan Herman: s/Lance(?)/Linss/ (warning: replacement failed) ←
15:27:26 <mgylling> ack tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack tzviya ←
15:27:33 <pkra> mgylling: see also link from astearns
Markus Gylling: see also link from astearns [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:27:52 <pkra> tzviya: what we came on with epub/edupub -- content that some people called "card" or "page"
Tzviya Siegman: what we came on with epub/edupub -- content that some people called "card" or "page" [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:28:05 <pkra> ... fundamentally a display problem
Peter Krautzberger: ... fundamentally a display problem ←
15:28:44 <Luc> q+
Luc Audrain: q+ ←
15:28:47 <pkra> ... would probably have fit before <article> was designed [??? not sure if I caught that right]
Peter Krautzberger: ... would probably have fit before <article> was designed [??? not sure if I caught that right] ←
15:29:08 <pkra> astearns: as a developer, I look at massive change of bringing in pagination to browsers
Peter Krautzberger: ???: as a developer, I look at massive change of bringing in pagination to browsers ←
15:29:19 <astearns> s/astearns/???/
15:29:32 <ivan> s/astearns/brady_duga/
15:29:36 <pkra> ... will take years, probably not to every browser on all devices
Peter Krautzberger: ... will take years, probably not to every browser on all devices ←
15:29:49 <pkra> ... as a developer I don't know if I will be able to change to it ever.
Peter Krautzberger: ... as a developer I don't know if I will be able to change to it ever. ←
15:30:00 <pkra> ... basically the risk of revolutionary change
Peter Krautzberger: ... basically the risk of revolutionary change ←
15:30:07 <pkra> ... would be more in favor of evolutionary change
Peter Krautzberger: ... would be more in favor of evolutionary change ←
15:30:34 <pkra> dauwhe: paginated view certainly exist in ebook readers
Dave Cramer: paginated view certainly exist in ebook readers [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:30:48 <pkra> ... publishers want to be able to say "put this at the top/bottom of the page"
Peter Krautzberger: ... publishers want to be able to say "put this at the top/bottom of the page" ←
15:30:54 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:30:57 <pkra> ... so I'm not sure what small steps can get us to statements like that
Peter Krautzberger: ... so I'm not sure what small steps can get us to statements like that ←
15:31:14 <pkra> brady_duga: I'm not sure either but I'm sure that if we only describe giant steps, it is doomed.
Brady Duga: I'm not sure either but I'm sure that if we only describe giant steps, it is doomed. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:31:57 <pkra> ... if a few platforms support, then it would take too much effort away from platforms that don't have such features
Peter Krautzberger: ... if a few platforms support, then it would take too much effort away from platforms that don't have such features ←
15:32:12 <pkra> ???: would be in favor of small steps.
Alan Stearns: would be in favor of small steps. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:32:21 <ivan> s/???/astearns/
15:32:27 <pkra> ... using JS to break into pages. Or use CSS regions.
Peter Krautzberger: ... using JS to break into pages. Or use CSS regions. ←
15:32:37 <pkra> ... but CSS was a step too far.
Peter Krautzberger: ... but CSS-Regions was a step too far. ←
15:33:03 <pkra> s/CSS/CSS-Regions
15:33:28 <mgylling> ack Luc
Markus Gylling: ack Luc ←
15:33:30 <pkra> ... if you can suggest features that would help move in small steps, I'd love to hear them, I just don't know them
Peter Krautzberger: ... if you can suggest features that would help move in small steps, I'd love to hear them, I just don't know them ←
15:33:58 <pkra> Luc: to add, even in a scrollable window, if we consider the web display is always scrollable, as a publisher we need some information.
Luc Audrain: to add, even in a scrollable window, if we consider the web display is always scrollable, as a publisher we need some information. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:34:22 <pkra> ... we need that information in scrollable,e.g, footnotes/notes
Peter Krautzberger: ... we need that information in scrollable,e.g, footnotes/notes ←
15:35:32 <pkra> ... in long HTML documents, we need to display more information in the context of the reader, even in scrollable
Peter Krautzberger: ... in long HTML documents, we need to display more information in the context of the reader, even in scrollable ←
15:35:49 <pkra> ... need to make running heads and footnotes available
Peter Krautzberger: ... need to make running heads and footnotes available ←
15:36:10 <pkra> ... if I say the web is scrollable only, what do I need to make contextual information available to the reader?
Peter Krautzberger: ... if I say the web is scrollable only, what do I need to make contextual information available to the reader? ←
15:36:58 <mgylling> ack ivan
Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←
15:36:59 <pkra> dauwhe: to some degree, you'd have the viewport. But then it might end up as a fixed position in the viewport.
Dave Cramer: to some degree, you'd have the viewport. But then it might end up as a fixed position in the viewport. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:37:41 <pkra> ivan: we should be careful not to run ahead. I fully understand Brady's warning. We've had browser devs fighting over this before -- feature coming to one browser but not the other.
Ivan Herman: we should be careful not to run ahead. I fully understand Brady's warning. We've had browser devs fighting over this before -- feature coming to one browser but not the other. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:37:59 <pkra> ... we still need a document what we would need in an ideal world.
Peter Krautzberger: ... we still need a document what we would need in an ideal world. ←
15:38:09 <pkra> ... then we can discuss where to make compromises to get it rolling
Peter Krautzberger: ... then we can discuss where to make compromises to get it rolling ←
15:38:30 <pkra> ... I currently don't know where to go to get information on this.
Peter Krautzberger: ... I currently don't know where to go to get information on this. ←
15:38:36 <pkra> mgylling: a chapter of latinrec?
Markus Gylling: a chapter of latinrec? [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:38:55 <pkra> ivan: No. A separate document fits better.
Ivan Herman: No. A separate document fits better. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:39:00 <pkra> dauwhe: +1
Dave Cramer: +1 [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:39:37 <pkra> mgylling: should we gather common resources to try to collect this document and make this a target for fall?
Markus Gylling: should we gather common resources to try to collect this document and make this a target for fall? [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:39:47 <astearns> :)
Alan Stearns: :) ←
15:40:01 <pkra> dauwhe: I volunteer. It's at the heart of the issues I want to solve.
Dave Cramer: I volunteer. It's at the heart of the issues I want to solve. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:40:24 <Luc> I'd like to help Dave on this
Luc Audrain: I'd like to help Dave on this ←
15:40:28 <pkra> mgylling: anyone else?
Markus Gylling: anyone else? [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:40:38 <pkra> Luc: I volunteer.
Luc Audrain: I volunteer. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:40:53 <pkra> tzviya: I can give use cases from STEM.
Tzviya Siegman: I can give use cases from STEM. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:41:15 <pkra> mgylling: brady_duga's use cases on the wiki (positioning, API stuff)
Markus Gylling: brady_duga's use cases on the wiki (positioning, API stuff) [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:41:26 <pkra> brady_duga: I volunteer as non-lead.
Brady Duga: I volunteer as non-lead. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:41:34 <pkra> dauwhe: volunteer to lead.
Dave Cramer: volunteer to lead. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:42:12 <pkra> mgylling: ivan & dauwhe will sort out technical details.
Markus Gylling: ivan & dauwhe will sort out technical details. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:43:02 <pkra> ivan: dauwhe, re task force update; other languages. We have interest from Chinese specialist.
Ivan Herman: dauwhe, re task force update; other languages. We have interest from Chinese specialist. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:43:14 <pkra> ... asked her to join us for a session at tpac.
Peter Krautzberger: ... asked her to join us for a session at tpac. ←
15:43:44 <pkra> ... more generally, let's have some coordination call before tpac with ??? Ichida [???] , i18n group.
Peter Krautzberger: ... more generally, let's have some coordination call before tpac with Cindy from China [???] [Cindy from China] , i18n group. ←
15:43:58 <pkra> ... some interest to do the same for Indic languages
Peter Krautzberger: ... some interest to do the same for Indic languages ←
15:43:59 <Karen> s/???/Cindy from China
15:44:17 <ivan> s/??? Ichida/Richard Ishida/
Ivan Herman: s/??? Ichida/Richard Ishida/ (warning: replacement failed) ←
15:44:18 <Karen> s/Ichida/[???]/Richard Ishida
15:44:31 <tzviya> I speak and read hebrew (also RTL)
Tzviya Siegman: I speak and read hebrew (also RTL) ←
15:44:42 <pkra> ... would be necessary to bring in Arabic and Hebrew
Peter Krautzberger: ... would be necessary to bring in Arabic and Hebrew ←
15:45:06 <pkra> mgylling: we have some specialists for Arabic pagination
Markus Gylling: we have some specialists for Arabic pagination [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:45:40 <pkra> ivan: call before tpac?
Ivan Herman: call before tpac? [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:45:56 <pkra> mgylling: not a lot to say at this point. Should we get something more tangible?
Markus Gylling: not a lot to say at this point. Should we get something more tangible? [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:46:07 <pkra> ivan: makes sense but we need to schedule ahead given his time constraints.
Ivan Herman: makes sense but we need to schedule ahead given his time constraints. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:46:28 <pkra> mgylling: moving on
Markus Gylling: moving on [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:46:37 <pkra> ... PF meeting later today
Peter Krautzberger: ... PF meeting later today ←
15:46:51 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:47:00 <mgylling> ack ivan
Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←
15:47:14 <pkra> ivan: two issues we wanted to discuss with PF
Ivan Herman: two issues we wanted to discuss with PF [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:47:50 <pkra> ... 1) via Deborah: talk about how a11y task force would work with them. Not 100% sure they can cover everything.
Peter Krautzberger: ... 1) via Deborah: talk about how a11y task force would work with them. Not 100% sure they can cover everything. ←
15:48:10 <pkra> ... there is a plan for a call to discuss this long term.
Peter Krautzberger: ... there is a plan for a call to discuss this long term. ←
15:48:44 <pkra> ... 2) structural semantics, whether aria-role can be used for what we have in mind in DPUB IG.
Peter Krautzberger: ... 2) structural semantics, whether aria-role can be used for what we have in mind in DPUB IG. ←
15:49:17 <pkra> personally, 2) is more important since PF is the precise fit
Peter Krautzberger: personally, 2) is more important since PF is the precise fit ←
15:49:27 <pkra> ... personally, 2) is more important since PF is the precise fit
Peter Krautzberger: ... personally, 2) is more important since PF is the precise fit ←
15:49:45 <pkra> mgylling: structural sem / role attribute. We had a small call before summer break.
Markus Gylling: structural sem / role attribute. We had a small call before summer break. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:50:36 <pkra> ... where we had preliminary discussions
Peter Krautzberger: ... where we had preliminary discussions ←
15:50:38 <Zakim> -duga
Zakim IRC Bot: -duga ←
15:50:48 <pkra> ... which discussion to be had where; task forces etc.
Peter Krautzberger: ... which discussion to be had where; task forces etc. ←
15:51:06 <pkra> ... to summarize, PF open to idea. They have a plan, will be described later.
Peter Krautzberger: ... to summarize, PF open to idea. They have a plan, will be described later. ←
15:51:13 <pkra> ... joint subgroups etc.
Peter Krautzberger: ... joint subgroups etc. ←
15:51:27 <pkra> ... to develop and maintain extended vocabularies to the role attribute.
Peter Krautzberger: ... to develop and maintain extended vocabularies to the role attribute. ←
15:51:50 <pkra> ... however: main blocking has been HTML5 with its lock-down of roles.
Peter Krautzberger: ... however: main blocking has been HTML5 with its lock-down of roles. ←
15:51:59 <pkra> .. but a good place to start.
Peter Krautzberger: .. but a good place to start. ←
15:52:46 <pkra> ivan: will mgylling chair?
Ivan Herman: will mgylling chair? [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:53:00 <pkra> mgylling: yes, but will be running late. Ivan will start.
Markus Gylling: yes, but will be running late. Ivan will start. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:53:26 <pkra> ... who will attend?
Peter Krautzberger: ... who will attend? ←
15:53:42 <pkra> ... tcole, luc, tzviya, pkra, ivan, mgylling
Peter Krautzberger: ... tcole, luc, tzviya, pkra, ivan, mgylling ←
15:53:52 <pkra> ... [[who else?]]
Peter Krautzberger: ... dkaplan3, [[who else?]] ←
15:54:30 <pkra> guest_dale (??): I'm McGrawHill accessibility lead
Peter Krautzberger: guest_dale (??): I'm McGrawHill accessibility lead ←
15:54:48 <pkra> guest_SusanMcCaulick(??): Nook
Peter Krautzberger: guest_SusanMcCaulick(??): Nook ←
15:55:18 <pkra> mgylling: any other business?
Markus Gylling: any other business? [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:55:24 <pkra> ivan: sign up for tpac!
Ivan Herman: sign up for tpac! [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:55:49 <pkra> tzviya: is there a preliminary agenda (for DPUB IG)?
Tzviya Siegman: is there a preliminary agenda (for DPUB IG)? [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:55:56 <dkaplan3> s/[[who else?]]/dkaplan3, [[who else?]]/
15:55:57 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/
Ivan Herman: http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/ ←
15:56:06 <pkra> ivan: not yet. the IG has to do this itself.
Ivan Herman: not yet. the IG has to do this itself. [ Scribe Assist by Peter Krautzberger ] ←
15:56:11 <pkra> ... see link
Peter Krautzberger: ... see link ←
15:56:18 <pkra> ... for other groups.
Peter Krautzberger: ... for other groups. ←
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15:56:27 <Zakim> -Tzviya
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15:56:28 <Zakim> -??P29
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15:56:28 <Zakim> -azaroth
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15:56:30 <Zakim> -dauwhe
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15:56:33 <Zakim> -Vlad
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15:56:40 <Zakim> Attendees were azaroth, clapierre1, dauwhe, Tzviya, pkra, murakami, mgylling, dkaplan3, Stearns, duga, TimCole, pBelfanti, Ivan, Karen_Myers, Vlad, Julie, david_stroup, fjh,
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15:56:40 <Zakim> ... LauraD, +1.617.640.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: ... LauraD, +1.617.640.aabb ←
15:56:53 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
Ivan Herman: trackbot, end telcon ←
15:56:53 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
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15:56:53 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is ←
15:57:01 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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15:57:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/25-dpub-minutes.html trackbot
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15:57:02 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
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15:57:02 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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16:15:06 <ivan> rrsagent, set log public
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16:57:44 <Zakim> +??P0
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16:57:49 <janina> zakim, ??P0 is me
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Scribe problem: the name 'janina' does not match any of the 80 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ayla Stein Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Dawson Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown janina: zakim, ??P0 is me ←
16:57:49 <Zakim> +janina; got it
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16:57:51 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
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16:57:51 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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16:57:52 <Zakim> +Ivan
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16:58:51 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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16:59:17 <Zakim> +dkaplan3
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16:59:51 <Zakim> +??P9
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17:00:13 <ivan> zakim, ??P9 is Luc
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17:00:13 <Zakim> +Luc; got it
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17:00:44 <Zakim> + +1.717.635.aaaa
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17:01:51 <Zakim> +pBelfanti
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17:02:11 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is Matt_Haaf
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17:02:11 <Zakim> +Matt_Haaf; got it
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17:02:39 <ivan> zakim, Matt_Haaf is Matt_Haas
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17:02:55 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
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17:02:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see janina, Ivan, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, dkaplan3, Luc, George_Kerscher, Tzviya, Matt_Haas, pBelfanti, Suzann_Keohane, david_stroup
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see janina, Ivan, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, dkaplan3, Luc, George_Kerscher, Tzviya, Matt_Haas, pBelfanti, Suzann_Keohane, david_stroup ←
17:02:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see pbelfanti, Susann_Keohane, richardschwerdtfeger, Luc, tzviya, dkaplan3, janina, ivan, RRSAgent, pkra, murakami, dauwhe, Zakim, fjh, Karen, liam, astearns, plinss,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see pbelfanti, Susann_Keohane, richardschwerdtfeger, Luc, tzviya, dkaplan3, janina, ivan, RRSAgent, pkra, murakami, dauwhe, Zakim, fjh, Karen, liam, astearns, plinss, ←
17:02:58 <Zakim> ... trackbot
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17:03:28 <Zakim> +dauwhe
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17:03:56 <Zakim> +Shane_McCarron
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17:04:34 <ShaneM> Zakim, I am Shane_McCarron
Scribe problem: the name 'ShaneM' does not match any of the 80 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ayla Stein Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Dawson Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'ShaneM' does not match any of the 80 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ayla Stein Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Dawson Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ShaneM: Zakim, I am Shane_McCarron ←
17:04:34 <Zakim> ok, ShaneM, I now associate you with Shane_McCarron
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ShaneM, I now associate you with Shane_McCarron ←
17:04:45 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[GVoice] ←
17:04:52 <clown> zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe problem: the name 'clown' does not match any of the 80 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ayla Stein Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Dawson Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'clown' does not match any of the 80 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ayla Stein Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Dawson Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown clown: zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer ←
17:04:52 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it ←
17:05:03 <clown> zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe problem: the name 'clown' does not match any of the 80 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ayla Stein Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Dawson Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'clown' does not match any of the 80 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ayla Stein Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Dawson Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown clown: zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer ←
17:05:03 <Zakim> ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer ←
17:05:14 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
Zakim IRC Bot: +Cynthia_Shelly ←
17:05:15 <david_stroup> 85-217
David Stroup: 85-217 ←
17:05:33 <matt> Matt Haas here, from Pearson… glad to part of the call.
Scribe problem: the name 'matt' does not match any of the 80 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ayla Stein Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Dawson Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'matt' does not match any of the 80 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ayla Stein Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Dawson Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown matt: Matt Haas here, from Pearson… glad to part of the call. ←
17:05:33 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[Microsoft] ←
17:06:17 <Zakim> +TimCole
Zakim IRC Bot: +TimCole ←
17:06:31 <tzviya> ivan: DPUB is looking at 2 issues
Ivan Herman: DPUB is looking at 2 issues [ Scribe Assist by Tzviya Siegman ] ←
17:06:43 <tzviya> ...structural semantics and accessibility
Tzviya Siegman: ...structural semantics and accessibility ←
17:07:27 <ivan> zakim, pick a victim
Ivan Herman: zakim, pick a victim ←
17:07:27 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Rich_Schwerdtfeger
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Rich_Schwerdtfeger ←
17:07:40 <ivan> zakim, pick a victim
Ivan Herman: zakim, pick a victim ←
17:07:40 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose TimCole
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose TimCole ←
17:07:56 <ivan> scribe: TimCole
(Scribe set to Timothy Cole)
17:08:00 <ivan> scribenick: TimCole
17:08:15 <TimCole> begin with structural semantics
begin with structural semantics ←
17:08:58 <TimCole> issues: working on building vocabulary we would like to see added in Open Web Platform
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Unknown issues: working on building vocabulary we would like to see added in Open Web Platform ←
17:09:24 <TimCole> examples: chapter -- concept doesn't exist in HTML
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Unknown examples: chapter -- concept doesn't exist in HTML ←
17:09:32 <TimCole> who is talking?
who is talking? ←
17:09:58 <Zakim> +??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←
17:10:07 <mgylling> Zakim, ??P8 is me
Markus Gylling: Zakim, ??P8 is me ←
17:10:07 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mgylling; got it ←
17:10:09 <tzviya> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/StructuralSemantics
Tzviya Siegman: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/StructuralSemantics ←
17:10:24 <TimCole> tzviya: some of these structural elements have associated behaviors.
Tzviya Siegman: some of these structural elements have associated behaviors. ←
17:10:53 <TimCole> a key reason is because of the way some of these elements interact with assistative technologies
a key reason is because of the way some of these elements interact with assistative technologies ←
17:10:56 <Zakim> + +1.541.678.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.541.678.aabb ←
17:11:14 <TimCole> Rich move from role to something else.
Rich move from role to something else. ←
17:11:14 <Zakim> +Jon_Gunderson
Zakim IRC Bot: +Jon_Gunderson ←
17:11:44 <ivan> zakim, aabb is Matt_King
Ivan Herman: zakim, aabb is Matt_King ←
17:11:44 <Zakim> +Matt_King; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Matt_King; got it ←
17:12:19 <TimCole> tzviya -- tag would be managed by PF, but values by IDPF
tzviya -- tag would be managed by PF, but values by IDPF ←
17:12:27 <ivan> q?
Ivan Herman: q? ←
17:12:45 <TimCole> Rich - you want this to work with HTML Validator
Rich - you want this to work with HTML Validator ←
17:12:58 <TimCole> tzviya: Absolutely.
Tzviya Siegman: Absolutely. ←
17:14:00 <TimCole> rich - currently limit aria values
rich - currently limit aria values ←
17:14:59 <TimCole> Rich -- reluctance to open values up because you might not be able to provide fall back if browser didn't know about values...
Rich -- reluctance to open values up because you might not be able to provide fall back if browser didn't know about values... ←
17:15:08 <bgaraventa1979> zakim, aaaa is Bryan_Garaventa
Scribe problem: the name 'bgaraventa1979' does not match any of the 80 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ayla Stein Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Dawson Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'bgaraventa1979' does not match any of the 80 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ayla Stein Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Dawson Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown bgaraventa1979: zakim, aaaa is Bryan_Garaventa ←
17:15:08 <Zakim> sorry, bgaraventa1979, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bgaraventa1979, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa' ←
17:15:26 <bgaraventa1979> zakim, I am Bryan_Garaventa
Scribe problem: the name 'bgaraventa1979' does not match any of the 80 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ayla Stein Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Dawson Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'bgaraventa1979' does not match any of the 80 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ayla Stein Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Dawson Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown bgaraventa1979: zakim, I am Bryan_Garaventa ←
17:15:26 <Zakim> sorry, bgaraventa1979, I do not see a party named 'Bryan_Garaventa'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bgaraventa1979, I do not see a party named 'Bryan_Garaventa' ←
17:15:48 <TimCole> clown - some of the APIs take role string as is and stick into a property
clown - some of the APIs take role string as is and stick into a property ←
17:16:21 <richardschwerdtfeger> <div role=“chapter region”>
Richard Schwerdtfeger: <div role=“chapter region”> ←
17:17:30 <TimCole> Rich - do you see an issue with authors having second value (as fall back)?
Rich - do you see an issue with authors having second value (as fall back)? ←
17:18:20 <Zakim> -Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe problem: the name 'Joseph_Scheuhammer' does not match any of the 80 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ayla Stein Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Dawson Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Zakim IRC Bot: -Joseph_Scheuhammer ←
17:18:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
17:18:53 <TimCole> markus? - may be a non-starter for publishers; hard enough to get them to include basic semantics
markus? - may be a non-starter for publishers; hard enough to get them to include basic semantics ←
17:19:27 <TimCole> tzviya - may not be too hard for larger publishers; but for smaller publishers a decision tree might be too much.
tzviya - may not be too hard for larger publishers; but for smaller publishers a decision tree might be too much. ←
17:20:09 <TimCole> Matt - if native element was <div> you have an element with no semantics
Matt - if native element was <div> you have an element with no semantics ←
17:20:31 <LisaSeeman> sorry Im late - just got off the coga call
Scribe problem: the name 'LisaSeeman' does not match any of the 80 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ayla Stein Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Dawson Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'LisaSeeman' does not match any of the 80 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ayla Stein Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Dawson Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown LisaSeeman: sorry Im late - just got off the coga call ←
17:20:55 <TimCole> Rich - but not an issue based on current definitions; even if browser doesn't know about it today, assistive technologies have something to work with...
Rich - but not an issue based on current definitions; even if browser doesn't know about it today, assistive technologies have something to work with... ←
17:20:58 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
17:21:19 <jongund> q+
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Scribe problem: the name 'jongund' does not match any of the 80 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ayla Stein Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Dawson Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown jongund: q+ ←
17:21:37 <ivan> q- later
Ivan Herman: q- later ←
17:21:57 <clown> I'm still getting: This conference is full. Any way to expand the size?
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Unknown clown: I'm still getting: This conference is full. Any way to expand the size? ←
17:22:22 <TimCole> Rich - dpub IG wants to use role attribute, but if browser doesn't know about value, then a second value is needed for fall back
Rich - dpub IG wants to use role attribute, but if browser doesn't know about value, then a second value is needed for fall back ←
17:23:10 <TimCole> Rich -- that may be a non-starter, but if you have a single value, falling back to native language may be good enough
Rich -- that may be a non-starter, but if you have a single value, falling back to native language may be good enough ←
17:23:24 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
17:23:28 <ivan> ack jongund
Ivan Herman: ack jongund ←
17:23:28 <TimCole> cynthia - that should be acceptable
cynthia - that should be acceptable ←
17:24:16 <TimCole> jon gunderson -- dom may eventually have a computed role. How would fall back option affect computed role?
jon gunderson -- dom may eventually have a computed role. How would fall back option affect computed role? ←
17:25:05 <ShaneM> q+ to ask about the feasibility of using a private vocabulary for some of the epub-unique roles
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Unknown ShaneM: q+ to ask about the feasibility of using a private vocabulary for some of the epub-unique roles ←
17:25:49 <pkra> sorry I'm late.
Peter Krautzberger: sorry I'm late. ←
17:26:34 <TimCole> Rich - if we had computed role, could compare it to computed role and if they don't match generate a warning
Rich - if we had computed role, could compare it to computed role and if they don't match generate a warning ←
17:27:30 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
17:27:45 <TimCole> jon 2nd question -- would developers take EPUB3 roles and try to use in HTML 5; would validators distinguish between EPUB3 and HTML5 for validation
jon 2nd question -- would developers take EPUB3 roles and try to use in HTML 5; would validators distinguish between EPUB3 and HTML5 for validation ←
17:28:16 <TimCole> Ivan - what is the way a separate group can define new roles while HTML 5 group is doing their thing?
Ivan - what is the way a separate group can define new roles while HTML 5 group is doing their thing? ←
17:28:36 <TimCole> Rich - no mechanism now, but we will have to address long term
Rich - no mechanism now, but we will have to address long term ←
17:29:05 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
17:29:12 <TimCole> Shane - roles accepted by Validator are defined by a document that both PF and HTML 5 can edit
Shane - roles accepted by Validator are defined by a document that both PF and HTML 5 can edit ←
17:29:27 <TimCole> Ivan - do that reference that document?
Ivan - do that reference that document? ←
17:29:35 <TimCole> Shane - they refer to it manually.
Shane - they refer to it manually. ←
17:29:50 <TimCole> Ivan - both groups have write permissions to this document?
Ivan - both groups have write permissions to this document? ←
17:29:57 <TimCole> Shane - that is my understanding
Shane - that is my understanding ←
17:30:30 <TimCole> Ivan - then EPUB could get values added by working with either group, but how big is EPUB list
Ivan - then EPUB could get values added by working with either group, but how big is EPUB list ←
17:30:45 <TimCole> ??? about 100 terms
tzviya about 100 terms ←
17:30:45 <tzviya> epub 3 structural semantic vocab http://www.idpf.org/epub/vocab/structure/
Tzviya Siegman: epub 3 structural semantic vocab http://www.idpf.org/epub/vocab/structure/ ←
17:30:56 <tzviya> s/???/tzviya
17:31:04 <dauwhe> Is this the doc in question? http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab
Dave Cramer: Is this the doc in question? http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab ←
17:31:16 <TimCole> Shane - the role attribute spec references the document.
Shane - the role attribute spec references the document. ←
17:31:40 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
17:32:11 <TimCole> ??? role attribute spec allows for independent role vocabularies to be added by rdfa mechanism
Shane role attribute spec allows for independent role vocabularies to be added by rdfa mechanism ←
17:32:28 <ivan> s/???/Shane/
17:32:34 <TimCole> ??? would it be acceptable to have EPUB role values scoped?
Shane would it be acceptable to have EPUB role values scoped? ←
17:32:42 <ivan> s/???/Shane/
17:33:19 <TimCole> markus - some of the EPUB roles will be common, some are more niched (albeit still important)
markus - some of the EPUB roles will be common, some are more niched (albeit still important) ←
17:33:36 <TimCole> markus - it could be that the niche roles could be separated out in a prefixed way.
markus - it could be that the niche roles could be separated out in a prefixed way. ←
17:34:01 <TimCole> ??? if might be a tough call to say which are the most generic, most crucial
??? if might be a tough call to say which are the most generic, most crucial ←
17:34:01 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
17:34:08 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
17:34:19 <ivan> ack ShaneM
Ivan Herman: ack ShaneM ←
17:34:25 <Luc> It would preferable to have a general mechanism for adding vocabulary for EPUB
Luc Audrain: It would preferable to have a general mechanism for adding vocabulary for EPUB ←
17:35:20 <TimCole> shaneM - validator was rejecting namespaced role values, but they are not opposed to it, just need to close the loop
shaneM - validator was rejecting namespaced role values, but they are not opposed to it, just need to close the loop ←
17:35:44 <TimCole> Rich - you don't want to namespace everything that is commonly used -- is this a fair assumption
Rich - you don't want to namespace everything that is commonly used -- is this a fair assumption ←
17:35:50 <TimCole> markus - yes
markus - yes ←
17:36:11 <ivan> ack tzviya
Ivan Herman: ack tzviya ←
17:36:22 <ivan> ack Shane_McCarron
Ivan Herman: ack Shane_McCarron ←
17:36:22 <Zakim> Shane_McCarron, you wanted to ask about the feasibility of using a private vocabulary for some of the epub-unique roles
Zakim IRC Bot: Shane_McCarron, you wanted to ask about the feasibility of using a private vocabulary for some of the epub-unique roles ←
17:36:38 <TimCole> tzviya - the real desire is to create html once and use it everywhere
tzviya - the real desire is to create html once and use it everywhere ←
17:36:40 <Luc> +1
Luc Audrain: +1 ←
17:36:55 <TimCole> tzviya - we want to avoid namespaces and make it easy to author
tzviya - we want to avoid namespaces and make it easy to author ←
17:37:08 <richardschwerdtfeger> role=“epub:chapter”
Richard Schwerdtfeger: role=“epub:chapter” ←
17:37:21 <LisaSeeman> q+
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Scribe problem: the name 'LisaSeeman' does not match any of the 80 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ayla Stein Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Dawson Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown LisaSeeman: q+ ←
17:37:35 <TimCole> tzviya - would prefer not to namespace chapter, for example
tzviya - would prefer not to namespace chapter, for example ←
17:37:41 <ivan> q-
Ivan Herman: q- ←
17:37:48 <ivan> ack LisaSeeman
Ivan Herman: ack LisaSeeman ←
17:38:11 <TimCole> tzviya - and if you do namespace more obscure roles, they are less likely to get used.
tzviya - and if you do namespace more obscure roles, they are less likely to get used. ←
17:38:57 <mgylling> http://www.idpf.org/epub/vocab/structure/
Markus Gylling: http://www.idpf.org/epub/vocab/structure/ ←
17:39:00 <TimCole> lisa - needs to be successful not just for EPUB authors but also for others with cognitive disabilities
lisa - needs to be successful not just for EPUB authors but also for others with cognitive disabilities ←
17:39:08 <janina> q+ to ask whether we intend these roles only for a11y? Or also for general use?
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Scribe problem: the name 'janina' does not match any of the 80 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ayla Stein Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Dawson Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown janina: q+ to ask whether we intend these roles only for a11y? Or also for general use? ←
17:39:43 <TimCole> ivan - some of the dpub / EPUB roles are very useful for other communities
ivan - some of the dpub / EPUB roles are very useful for other communities ←
17:39:50 <ShaneM> Note that some roles are already esoteric.
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Scribe problem: the name 'ShaneM' does not match any of the 80 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ayla Stein Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Dawson Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown ShaneM: Note that some roles are already esoteric. ←
17:40:02 <ivan> ack janina
Ivan Herman: ack janina ←
17:40:02 <Zakim> janina, you wanted to ask whether we intend these roles only for a11y? Or also for general use?
Zakim IRC Bot: janina, you wanted to ask whether we intend these roles only for a11y? Or also for general use? ←
17:40:08 <LisaSeeman> ack lisa
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Scribe problem: the name 'LisaSeeman' does not match any of the 80 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ayla Stein Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Dawson Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown LisaSeeman: ack lisa ←
17:40:41 <ShaneM> "Accessibility is for both meat and machine" is something I get to say all the time.
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Unknown ShaneM: "Accessibility is for both meat and machine" is something I get to say all the time. ←
17:40:45 <TimCole> janina - overarching question: you don't need a disability to appreciate roles; do we anticipate that this will have a general applicability?
janina - overarching question: you don't need a disability to appreciate roles; do we anticipate that this will have a general applicability? ←
17:40:50 <TimCole> several - yes.
several - yes. ←
17:41:28 <TimCole> Rich - we would do harm if we didn't have a vehicle for opening this up to broader community.
Rich - we would do harm if we didn't have a vehicle for opening this up to broader community. ←
17:42:17 <TimCole> ivan - need to see what is next step. We need to document where we want to go and how.
ivan - need to see what is next step. We need to document where we want to go and how. ←
17:42:55 <TimCole> Rich - we need a joint effort between dp ig and pf wg (aria subteam)
Rich - we need a joint effort between dp ig and pf wg (aria subteam) ←
17:43:40 <TimCole> markus - that makes sense. one of the things people in idpf want to know is the size of the effort.
markus - that makes sense. one of the things people in idpf want to know is the size of the effort. ←
17:44:30 <TimCole> Rich - need to provide that to dp ig but also other stakeholders within idpf
Rich - need to provide that to dp ig but also other stakeholders within idpf ←
17:44:44 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
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17:45:04 <Zakim> -Shane_McCarron
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17:45:27 <TimCole> janina and tzviya have an action to start this from the pf side
janina and tzviya have an action to start this from the pf side ←
17:45:55 <Zakim> +Shane_McCarron
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17:45:56 <TimCole> ivan - both groups will be meeting f2f at TPAC. we should try to find time to have a session together
ivan - both groups will be meeting f2f at TPAC. we should try to find time to have a session together ←
17:46:01 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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17:46:01 <ShaneM> zakim, I am Shane_McCarron
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Unknown ShaneM: zakim, I am Shane_McCarron ←
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17:46:52 <LisaSeeman> zakim, I am [IPcaller]
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Unknown LisaSeeman: zakim, I am [IPcaller] ←
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17:47:06 <TimCole> deborah - what is the why that dp task force can collaborate with PF?
deborah - what is the why that dp task force can collaborate with PF? ←
17:47:30 <TimCole> ??? need someone to take lead and run with this.
Rich need someone to take lead and run with this. ←
17:47:47 <TimCole> this will take weekly or near weekly meetings
this will take weekly or near weekly meetings ←
17:47:59 <ivan> s/???/Rich/
17:48:32 <TimCole> markus - I think deborah's question was about more broad collaboration
markus - I think deborah's question was about more broad collaboration ←
17:48:57 <TimCole> janina - we could write a statement with deliverable as well as with a general statement about liaison
janina - we could write a statement with deliverable as well as with a general statement about liaison ←
17:49:06 <TimCole> ivan - so what are the reasonable deliverables?
ivan - so what are the reasonable deliverables? ←
17:49:34 <TimCole> deborah - what are the deliverables?
deborah - what are the deliverables? ←
17:50:12 <TimCole> rich - 1. role attribute value module, 2. a guide for browsers, 3. guidelines for authors
rich - 1. role attribute value module, 2. a guide for browsers, 3. guidelines for authors ←
17:51:22 <TimCole> we learned in the ARIA 1.1 effort that we had to write specification for implementation
we learned in the ARIA 1.1 effort that we had to write specification for implementation ←
17:52:15 <TimCole> ivan - still a little in the dark, what would a guide for browser / user agent guidelines mean? what could dp ig contribute?
ivan - still a little in the dark, what would a guide for browser / user agent guidelines mean? what could dp ig contribute? ←
17:52:53 <TimCole> Rich - each browser maps to accessible technologies on the platform
Rich - each browser maps to accessible technologies on the platform ←
17:53:25 <TimCole> rich - for a book reader, how do we specify that we want to navigate by book chapter?
rich - for a book reader, how do we specify that we want to navigate by book chapter? ←
17:53:52 <TimCole> rich - does W3 specify or does IPDF?
rich - does W3 specify or does IPDF? ←
17:55:17 <TimCole> rich - if you put EPUB semantics in your document, who defines how the browser uses this structure?
rich - if you put EPUB semantics in your document, who defines how the browser uses this structure? ←
17:55:49 <TimCole> markus - that seems like something that could stay (for now at least) with dp ig / IDPF
markus - that seems like something that could stay (for now at least) with dp ig / IDPF ←
17:56:11 <TimCole> focus for now on the mappings to accessible APIs
focus for now on the mappings to accessible APIs ←
17:56:26 <TimCole> ??? how about authoring practices?
??? how about authoring practices? ←
17:57:04 <TimCole> markus - there are already some resources on authoring best practices
markus - there are already some resources on authoring best practices ←
17:58:02 <Zakim> -dauwhe
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17:58:20 <Zakim> -Matt_King
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17:58:34 <TimCole> ivan - dp ig should look at core accessibility guidelines and see how complete they are for dp
ivan - dp ig should look at core accessibility guidelines and see how complete they are for dp ←
17:59:09 <TimCole> deborah - pf wg wants to address gaps as they are identified
deborah - pf wg wants to address gaps as they are identified ←
17:59:59 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
18:00:00 <TimCole> george - the semantics that are being introduced go a long way
george - the semantics that are being introduced go a long way ←
18:00:18 <ivan> ack tzviya
Ivan Herman: ack tzviya ←
18:01:10 <TimCole> tzviya - a lot of what deborah is getting at seems overlaps. can deborah work with tzviya and janina
tzviya - a lot of what deborah is getting at seems overlaps. can deborah work with tzviya and janina ←
18:01:44 <TimCole> to be clear pf wg wants to help identify gaps, though other groups may work on these issues
to be clear pf wg wants to help identify gaps, though other groups may work on these issues ←
18:02:15 <TimCole> ivan - tzviya, janina and deborah will try to have a document by about mid-September. follow-up with call or during TPAC
ivan - tzviya, janina and deborah will try to have a document by about mid-September. follow-up with call or during TPAC ←
18:02:34 <Zakim> -Suzann_Keohane
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18:02:50 <Zakim> -Shane_McCarron
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18:03:12 <janina> public-pfwg@w3.org
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18:04:08 <Zakim> -Jon_Gunderson
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18:04:10 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
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18:04:13 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
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18:04:14 <Zakim> -dkaplan3
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18:04:17 <Zakim> -Ivan
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18:04:20 <Zakim> -Matt_Haas
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18:04:20 <Zakim> -janina
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18:04:22 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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18:04:24 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
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18:04:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/25-dpub-minutes.html ivan
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18:04:28 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
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18:04:29 <Zakim> DPUB_IG()1:00PM has ended
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18:04:29 <Zakim> Attendees were janina, Ivan, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, dkaplan3, George_Kerscher, Tzviya, Luc, +1.717.635.aaaa, pBelfanti, Suzann_Keohane, david_stroup, Matt_Haas, dauwhe,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were janina, Ivan, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, dkaplan3, George_Kerscher, Tzviya, Luc, +1.717.635.aaaa, pBelfanti, Suzann_Keohane, david_stroup, Matt_Haas, dauwhe, ←
18:04:29 <Zakim> ... Shane_McCarron, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Cynthia_Shelly, [Microsoft], TimCole, mgylling, +1.541.678.aabb, Jon_Gunderson, Matt_King, [IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Shane_McCarron, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Cynthia_Shelly, [Microsoft], TimCole, mgylling, +1.541.678.aabb, Jon_Gunderson, Matt_King, [IPcaller] ←
18:04:48 <janina> ARIA Ppeople, we can continue in #aria
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Scribe problem: the name 'janina' does not match any of the 80 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: ASOK BANDYOPADHYAY Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ayla Stein Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Charles LaPierre Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Stroup David Singer Deborah Kaplan Dmitry Shkolnik Doug Schepers Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Graham Bell Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Heather Reid Ivan Herman Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Koji Ishii Laura Dawson Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Mahesh Kulkarni Manuel Rego Casasnovas Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Michael Miller Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Paul Belfanti Peter Linss Peter Krautzberger Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Shinyu Murakami Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Timothy Cole Tom Burns Tom Habing Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown janina: ARIA Ppeople, we can continue in #aria ←
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