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14:19:02 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/06/02-dpub-irc
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14:19:06 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
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14:19:06 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 41 minutes
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14:19:07 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:19:07 <trackbot> Date: 02 June 2014
14:19:17 <ivan> Chair: Liza Daly
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14:55:44 <Zakim> +AH_Miller
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14:57:56 <Zakim> + +1.212.364.aaaa
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14:58:06 <philm> aaaa is philm
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14:58:07 <ivan> Regrets: Vladimir, Alan
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14:58:25 <karen> zakim, code?
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14:58:25 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), karen
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14:58:25 <AH_Miller> 240- is AH_Miller
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14:58:28 <Zakim> + +1.646.336.aabb
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14:58:40 <Zakim> +azaroth
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14:59:08 <Julie> aabb is Julie Morris
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14:59:12 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers
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14:59:25 <Zakim> + +33.1.41.23.aacc
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14:59:25 <Zakim> + +1.617.439.aadd
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14:59:26 <Zakim> +??P11
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14:59:44 <gcapiel> Zakim, ??p11 is me
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14:59:44 <Zakim> +gcapiel; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +gcapiel; got it ←
14:59:52 <Luc> aacc is Luc
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15:00:00 <Zakim> + +1.617.324.aaee
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15:00:04 <Zakim> + +1.917.207.aaff
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15:00:10 <dauwhe> Zakim, aaff is me
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15:00:10 <Zakim> +dauwhe; got it
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15:00:12 <ivan> zakim, aaee is ivan
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15:00:12 <Zakim> +ivan; got it
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15:00:19 <Zakim> +duga
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15:00:32 <Zakim> +??P7
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15:00:35 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is philm
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15:00:35 <Zakim> +philm; got it
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15:00:39 <Zakim> +benjaminsko
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15:00:48 <ivan> zakim, aacc is Luc
Ivan Herman: zakim, aacc is Luc ←
15:00:48 <Zakim> +Luc; got it
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15:00:49 <Zakim> +julie
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15:00:56 <murakami> zakim, ??P7 is me
Shinyu Murakami: zakim, ??P7 is me ←
15:00:56 <Zakim> +murakami; got it
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15:01:01 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
15:01:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see AH_Miller, philm, +1.646.336.aabb, azaroth, Karen_Myers, Luc, +1.617.439.aadd, gcapiel, ivan, dauwhe, duga, murakami, benjaminsko, julie
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AH_Miller, philm, +1.646.336.aabb, azaroth, Karen_Myers, Luc, +1.617.439.aadd, gcapiel, ivan, dauwhe, duga, murakami, benjaminsko, julie ←
15:01:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see liza, benjaminsko, brady_duga, dkaplan3, gcapiel, Luc, Julie, philm, murakami, azaroth, AH_Miller, karen, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, ivan, pkra1, liam, plinss, astearns,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see liza, benjaminsko, brady_duga, dkaplan3, gcapiel, Luc, Julie, philm, murakami, azaroth, AH_Miller, karen, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, ivan, pkra1, liam, plinss, astearns, ←
15:01:04 <Zakim> ... trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot ←
15:01:24 <ivan> zakim, aadd is liza
Ivan Herman: zakim, aadd is liza ←
15:01:25 <Zakim> +liza; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +liza; got it ←
15:01:49 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
15:01:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see AH_Miller, philm, +1.646.336.aabb, azaroth, Karen_Myers, Luc, liza, gcapiel, ivan, dauwhe, duga, murakami, benjaminsko, julie
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AH_Miller, philm, +1.646.336.aabb, azaroth, Karen_Myers, Luc, liza, gcapiel, ivan, dauwhe, duga, murakami, benjaminsko, julie ←
15:01:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see liza, benjaminsko, brady_duga, dkaplan3, gcapiel, Luc, Julie, philm, murakami, azaroth, AH_Miller, karen, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, ivan, pkra1, liam, plinss, astearns,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see liza, benjaminsko, brady_duga, dkaplan3, gcapiel, Luc, Julie, philm, murakami, azaroth, AH_Miller, karen, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, ivan, pkra1, liam, plinss, astearns, ←
15:01:52 <Zakim> ... trackbot
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15:02:18 <Zakim> + +1.217.244.aagg
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15:02:20 <Zakim> + +1.201.783.aahh
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15:02:21 <ivan> zakim, liza has dkaplan3
Ivan Herman: zakim, liza has dkaplan3 ←
15:02:22 <Zakim> +dkaplan3; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dkaplan3; got it ←
15:02:30 <dauwhe> Zakim, aabb is Julie
Dave Cramer: Zakim, aabb is Julie ←
15:02:30 <Zakim> +Julie; got it
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15:02:42 <ivan> zakim, aabb is Julie
Ivan Herman: zakim, aabb is Julie ←
15:02:44 <Zakim> sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
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15:03:02 <ivan> zakim, aagg is tim_cole
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15:03:03 <Zakim> +tim_cole; got it
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15:03:31 <ivan> zakim, aahh is pbelfanti
Ivan Herman: zakim, aahh is pbelfanti ←
15:03:31 <Zakim> +pbelfanti; got it
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15:03:41 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
15:03:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see AH_Miller, philm, Julie, azaroth, Karen_Myers, Luc, liza, gcapiel, ivan, dauwhe, duga, murakami (muted), benjaminsko, julie, tim_cole, pbelfanti
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AH_Miller, philm, Julie, azaroth, Karen_Myers, Luc, liza, gcapiel, ivan, dauwhe, duga, murakami (muted), benjaminsko, julie, tim_cole, pbelfanti ←
15:03:44 <Zakim> liza has dkaplan3
Zakim IRC Bot: liza has dkaplan3 ←
15:03:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see TimCole, Laura_Fowler, liza, benjaminsko, brady_duga, dkaplan3, gcapiel, Luc, Julie, philm, murakami, azaroth, AH_Miller, karen, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, ivan, pkra1,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see TimCole, Laura_Fowler, liza, benjaminsko, brady_duga, dkaplan3, gcapiel, Luc, Julie, philm, murakami, azaroth, AH_Miller, karen, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, ivan, pkra1, ←
15:03:44 <Zakim> ... liam, plinss, astearns, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... liam, plinss, astearns, trackbot ←
15:03:50 <Zakim> +Bert
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15:03:53 <dauwhe> Zakim, aaaa is philm
Dave Cramer: Zakim, aaaa is philm ←
15:03:53 <Zakim> sorry, dauwhe, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
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15:04:02 <Zakim> +Laura_Fowler
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15:04:03 <Zakim> +madi
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15:04:09 <Zakim> +pkra
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15:04:14 <Zakim> + +1.585.217.aaii
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15:04:20 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe
(Scribe set to Dave Cramer)
15:04:23 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf
Zakim IRC Bot: +Bill_Kasdorf ←
15:04:53 <liza> http://www.w3.org/2014/05/19-dpub-minutes.html
Liza Daly: http://www.w3.org/2014/05/19-dpub-minutes.html ←
15:05:00 <dauwhe> Liza: OK to approve minutes?
Liza Daly: OK to approve minutes? ←
15:05:05 <dauwhe> ... Minutes approved.
... Minutes approved. ←
15:05:08 <ivan> zakim, aaii is david_stroup
Ivan Herman: zakim, aaii is david_stroup ←
15:05:09 <Zakim> +david_stroup; got it
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15:05:16 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:05:22 <fjh> zakim, IPCaller is me
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, IPCaller is me ←
15:05:22 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
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15:05:29 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
15:05:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see AH_Miller, philm, Julie, azaroth, Karen_Myers, Luc, liza, gcapiel, ivan, dauwhe, duga, murakami (muted), benjaminsko, julie, tim_cole, pbelfanti, Bert,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see AH_Miller, philm, Julie, azaroth, Karen_Myers, Luc, liza, gcapiel, ivan, dauwhe, duga, murakami (muted), benjaminsko, julie, tim_cole, pbelfanti, Bert, ←
15:05:32 <Zakim> ... Laura_Fowler, madi, pkra, david_stroup, Bill_Kasdorf, fjh
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Laura_Fowler, madi, pkra, david_stroup, Bill_Kasdorf, fjh ←
15:05:32 <Zakim> liza has dkaplan3
Zakim IRC Bot: liza has dkaplan3 ←
15:05:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see gcapiel, david_stroup, Bill_Kasdorf, fjh, Bert, TimCole, Laura_Fowler, liza, benjaminsko, brady_duga, dkaplan3, Luc, Julie, philm, murakami, azaroth, AH_Miller, karen,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see gcapiel, david_stroup, Bill_Kasdorf, fjh, Bert, TimCole, Laura_Fowler, liza, benjaminsko, brady_duga, dkaplan3, Luc, Julie, philm, murakami, azaroth, AH_Miller, karen, ←
15:05:32 <Zakim> ... Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, ivan, pkra1, liam, plinss, astearns, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, ivan, pkra1, liam, plinss, astearns, trackbot ←
15:06:21 <ivan> Present+ Madi
Ivan Herman: Present+ Madi ←
15:07:07 <dauwhe> Liza: Madi put together interviews at Pearson about Metadata
Liza Daly: Madi put together interviews at Pearson about Metadata ←
15:07:16 <dauwhe> ... complements Bill Kasdorf's interviews
... complements Bill Kasdorf's interviews ←
15:07:29 <dauwhe> ... then we can talk about renaming task forces
... then we can talk about renaming task forces ←
15:07:37 <dauwhe> ... making the names goal-oriented
... making the names goal-oriented ←
15:07:52 <dauwhe> ... so we don't have to solve every problem in publishing.
... so we don't have to solve every problem in publishing. ←
15:08:31 <dauwhe> madi: is BIll here?
Madi Solomon: is BIll here? ←
15:08:49 <dauwhe> ... I did some casual interviews across lots of context
... I did some casual interviews across lots of context ←
15:09:02 <dauwhe> ... what are your challenges and pain points as you move from print to digital
... what are your challenges and pain points as you move from print to digital ←
15:09:12 <dauwhe> ... Bill talked to lots of publishers
... Bill talked to lots of publishers ←
15:09:23 <dauwhe> ... I talked to lots of Pearson folks (educational publishing)
... I talked to lots of Pearson folks (educational publishing) ←
15:09:32 <dauwhe> ... I interviewed 12 people
... I interviewed 12 people ←
15:09:49 <dauwhe> ... across global schools/primary schools, vocational, higher ed, and english language teaching
... across global schools/primary schools, vocational, higher ed, and english language teaching ←
15:09:59 <dauwhe> ... they were very candid
... they were very candid ←
15:10:04 <dauwhe> ... about their pain points.
... about their pain points. ←
15:10:13 <dauwhe> ... the report is breezy and easy to read
... the report is breezy and easy to read ←
15:10:20 <dauwhe> ... even executives can read it!
... even executives can read it! ←
15:10:32 <dauwhe> ... the top priorities will be no surprise
... the top priorities will be no surprise ←
15:10:39 <dauwhe> ... when I combined my interviews with Bill's
... when I combined my interviews with Bill's ←
15:10:47 <dauwhe> ... the results were very different
... the results were very different ←
15:10:56 <dauwhe> ... lots of differences between edu and trade
... lots of differences between edu and trade ←
15:11:11 <dauwhe> ... trade books don't get atomized
... trade books don't get atomized ←
15:11:25 <dauwhe> ... trade talked about ONIX, BISAC, PRISM
... trade talked about ONIX, BISAC, PRISM ←
15:11:42 <dauwhe> ... Edu publisher want to offer modularized content around particular subjects
... Edu publisher want to offer modularized content around particular subjects ←
15:11:50 <dauwhe> ... so different components can be mashed up
... so different components can be mashed up ←
15:12:04 <dauwhe> ... they talk about learning objects
... they talk about learning objects ←
15:12:19 <dauwhe> ... this is true across all types of education
... this is true across all types of education ←
15:12:33 <dauwhe> ... students even using this material at home
... students even using this material at home ←
15:12:56 <dauwhe> ... publishers are focused on getting these resources into all sorts of devices
... publishers are focused on getting these resources into all sorts of devices ←
15:13:09 <dauwhe> ... top issue reported is (drum roll)
... top issue reported is (drum roll) ←
15:13:22 <dauwhe> ... governance
... governance ←
15:13:30 <dauwhe> ... there's enough industry standards
... there's enough industry standards ←
15:13:46 <dauwhe> ... but the right to refuse is still embedded in traditional publishing process
... but the right to refuse is still embedded in traditional publishing process ←
15:13:55 <dauwhe> ... so publishers will refuse to add metadata
... so publishers will refuse to add metadata ←
15:14:03 <dauwhe> ... there's no mechanism from that moment format
... there's no mechanism from that moment format ←
15:14:10 <dauwhe> ... in content creation and distribution
... in content creation and distribution ←
15:14:20 <dauwhe> ... there are rights to refuse along the entire workflow
... there are rights to refuse along the entire workflow ←
15:14:26 <dauwhe> ... and they all exercise that right
... and they all exercise that right ←
15:14:51 <dauwhe> ... they want some kind of mechanism that says you can't go any further until you complete A and B
... they want some kind of mechanism that says you can't go any further until you complete A and B ←
15:15:09 <dauwhe> ... it needs to be incorporated/integrated across entire workflow
... it needs to be incorporated/integrated across entire workflow ←
15:15:21 <dauwhe> ... the next two are ...
... the next two are ... ←
15:16:08 <dauwhe> ... true for trade, edu, stem
... true for trade, edu, stem ←
15:16:16 <dauwhe> ... free access is something they're dealing now
... free access is something they're dealing now ←
15:16:35 <dauwhe> ... so the question is about expressing rights
... so the question is about expressing rights ←
15:16:56 <dauwhe> ... to express rights for digital mobility, digital downloads, digital views
... to express rights for digital mobility, digital downloads, digital views ←
15:17:04 <dauwhe> ... which may come from many producers
... which may come from many producers ←
15:17:10 <dauwhe> ... royalties are a problem.
... royalties are a problem. ←
15:17:20 <dauwhe> ... if we're chunking content
... if we're chunking content ←
15:17:31 <dauwhe> ... how much do we charge for the download of a chapter
... how much do we charge for the download of a chapter ←
15:17:41 <dauwhe> ... tracking things at the low level is hard
... tracking things at the low level is hard ←
15:18:11 <dauwhe> ... the next thing is Flow. Workflow...
... the next thing is Flow. Workflow... ←
15:18:23 <dauwhe> ... content creation starts at the signing of an agreement.
... content creation starts at the signing of an agreement. ←
15:18:31 <dauwhe> ... there are some rights agreed with the author
... there are some rights agreed with the author ←
15:18:44 <dauwhe> ... but those rights are stuck in the contract, and don't flow with the content
... but those rights are stuck in the contract, and don't flow with the content ←
15:18:56 <dauwhe> ... we need to migrate metadata from one part of the work to the next
... we need to migrate metadata from one part of the work to the next ←
15:19:03 <dauwhe> ... at the end of the workflow
... at the end of the workflow ←
15:19:11 <dauwhe> ... you need to distribute the content
... you need to distribute the content ←
15:19:19 <dauwhe> ... but they don't know what the rights and metadata are
... but they don't know what the rights and metadata are ←
15:19:32 <dauwhe> ... so they have to research, translate, convert metadata
... so they have to research, translate, convert metadata ←
15:19:40 <dauwhe> ... and this is labor-intensive
... and this is labor-intensive ←
15:19:48 <dauwhe> ... they want a more holistic approach
... they want a more holistic approach ←
15:20:03 <dauwhe> ... so metadata doesn't just come in at the end
... so metadata doesn't just come in at the end ←
15:20:04 <Zakim> -pkra
Zakim IRC Bot: -pkra ←
15:20:16 <dauwhe> ... "metadata is a myth"
... "metadata is a myth" ←
15:20:32 <dauwhe> ... "there's no metadata, so there's no value, so there's no use case"
... "there's no metadata, so there's no value, so there's no use case" ←
15:20:42 <Zakim> +pkra
Zakim IRC Bot: +pkra ←
15:20:46 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: metadata schmetadata
Bill Kasdorf: metadata schmetadata ←
15:20:47 <Luc> Do they sell any book?
Luc Audrain: Do they sell any book? ←
15:21:04 <dauwhe> madi: half the respondents don't really know that much about metadata
Madi Solomon: half the respondents don't really know that much about metadata ←
15:21:28 <dauwhe> ... they don't understand it enough to put it into practice with their teams
... they don't understand it enough to put it into practice with their teams ←
15:21:33 <dauwhe> ... so it's back to governance
... so it's back to governance ←
15:21:42 <dauwhe> ... so there's no one saying "this is how it's gonna go"
... so there's no one saying "this is how it's gonna go" ←
15:21:53 <dauwhe> ... "I don't get a bonus for metadata, I won't do it"
... "I don't get a bonus for metadata, I won't do it" ←
15:22:08 <dauwhe> ... there needs to be authority to make metadata happen
... there needs to be authority to make metadata happen ←
15:22:28 <dauwhe> ... needs to happen from top down
... needs to happen from top down ←
15:22:34 <dauwhe> ... businesses are ready to change
... businesses are ready to change ←
15:22:44 <dauwhe> ... standards was another common issue
... standards was another common issue ←
15:22:50 <dauwhe> ... people can't make this up as we go
... people can't make this up as we go ←
15:23:00 <dauwhe> ... edu publishers must gather around industry standards
... edu publishers must gather around industry standards ←
15:23:27 <dauwhe> ... we want to offer an oasis to offer recommendations
... we want to offer an oasis to offer recommendations ←
15:23:37 <dauwhe> ... other answers that were'n't as popular
... other answers that were'n't as popular ←
15:23:49 <dauwhe> ... inconsistency
... inconsistency ←
15:24:02 <dauwhe> ... not just between metadata schemas, but between specific terms
... not just between metadata schemas, but between specific terms ←
15:24:06 <dauwhe> ... lack of incentives
... lack of incentives ←
15:24:13 <dauwhe> ... which relates to government
... which relates to government ←
15:24:21 <dauwhe> ... working for the greater good doesn't help THEM
... working for the greater good doesn't help THEM ←
15:24:28 <dauwhe> ... a need for learning objectives
... a need for learning objectives ←
15:24:32 <liza> We can offer them an OASIS
Liza Daly: We can offer them an OASIS ←
15:24:36 <dauwhe> ... from standard curriculum authorities
... from standard curriculum authorities ←
15:24:43 <liza> (metadata joke)
15:24:54 <dauwhe> ... testing etc. are based on these curriculum authorities
... testing etc. are based on these curriculum authorities ←
15:25:05 <dauwhe> ... everyone wants someone else to do metadata
... everyone wants someone else to do metadata ←
15:25:21 <dauwhe> ... they want a 'metadata laundry service'
... they want a 'metadata laundry service' ←
15:25:42 <dauwhe> ... the conclusion is that everyone has a better understanding
... the conclusion is that everyone has a better understanding ←
15:25:48 <dauwhe> ... but no one is ready to do something
... but no one is ready to do something ←
15:25:58 <dauwhe> ... but they want someone else to do that something
... but they want someone else to do that something ←
15:26:18 <dauwhe> ... so let's synthesize my stuff with Bill Kasdorf's
... so let's synthesize my stuff with Bill Kasdorf's ←
15:26:36 <dauwhe> ... and there's the content and markup task force
... and there's the content and markup task force ←
15:26:47 <dauwhe> ... and avoid a piecemeal approach
... and avoid a piecemeal approach ←
15:26:50 <dauwhe> Liza: thanks!
15:26:58 <pkra1> +1
Peter Krautzberger: +1 ←
15:27:01 <dauwhe> ... what do edu publishers grapple with?
... what do edu publishers grapple with? ←
15:27:16 <dauwhe> ... trade has been behind on atomic content
... trade has been behind on atomic content ←
15:27:41 <dauwhe> ... how much is this around having to distribute pieces of content?
... how much is this around having to distribute pieces of content? ←
15:27:47 <dauwhe> ... and how much is around the basics
... and how much is around the basics ←
15:28:03 <dauwhe> madi: they're still grappling with where they are and where they're standing
Madi Solomon: they're still grappling with where they are and where they're standing ←
15:28:10 <dauwhe> ... but they now have a vision of where they need to go
... but they now have a vision of where they need to go ←
15:28:26 <dauwhe> ... and can articulate that.
... and can articulate that. ←
15:28:39 <dauwhe> ... some even said that the legacy stuff should be abandoned
... some even said that the legacy stuff should be abandoned ←
15:28:49 <dauwhe> Ivan: sigh
Ivan Herman: sigh ←
15:28:51 <Luc> sigh
Luc Audrain: sigh ←
15:28:55 <TimCole> q+
Timothy Cole: q+ ←
15:29:04 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: Can I add some thoughts?
Bill Kasdorf: Can I add some thoughts? ←
15:29:12 <dauwhe> TimCole: Go ahead bill
Timothy Cole: Go ahead bill ←
15:29:42 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: First, fabulous report. It rings true to me, even though I focused on different slice of publishing
Bill Kasdorf: First, fabulous report. It rings true to me, even though I focused on different slice of publishing ←
15:30:07 <dauwhe> ... and trade and edu focus on different things
... and trade and edu focus on different things ←
15:30:18 <dauwhe> ... let's be careful not to lose that distinction
... let's be careful not to lose that distinction ←
15:30:32 <pbelfanti> Apologies, I need to drop
Paul Belfanti: Apologies, I need to drop ←
15:30:39 <dauwhe> ... a third axis: most were thinking about trade, a subset were from STEM
... a third axis: most were thinking about trade, a subset were from STEM ←
15:30:55 <dauwhe> ... so we need to think about STEM, as they are different from both trade and edu
... so we need to think about STEM, as they are different from both trade and edu ←
15:30:55 <Zakim> -pbelfanti
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15:31:20 <dauwhe> ... first, I finally posted my interview with Carol Myer from crossref
... first, I finally posted my interview with Carol Myer from crossref ←
15:31:28 <dauwhe> ... it's now in the wiki
... it's now in the wiki ←
15:31:41 <dauwhe> ... what resonated is something that came up in idpf board meeting
... what resonated is something that came up in idpf board meeting ←
15:31:54 <dauwhe> ... STEM is part of an ecosystem
... STEM is part of an ecosystem ←
15:32:06 <dauwhe> ... many of them feel that basic metadata is a solved problem
... many of them feel that basic metadata is a solved problem ←
15:32:20 <dauwhe> ... the xml models all have extensive metadata headers
... the xml models all have extensive metadata headers ←
15:32:31 <dauwhe> ... they have loads of metadata associated with their content
... they have loads of metadata associated with their content ←
15:32:44 <dauwhe> ... like the trade publishers, it tends to be product focused
... like the trade publishers, it tends to be product focused ←
15:32:57 <dauwhe> ... but it's an article rather than a subsection of something
... but it's an article rather than a subsection of something ←
15:33:04 <dauwhe> ... so not quite like edu
... so not quite like edu ←
15:33:16 <dauwhe> ... it works well because there's an ecosystem
... it works well because there's an ecosystem ←
15:33:23 <dauwhe> ... they have to use the metadata
... they have to use the metadata ←
15:33:34 <dauwhe> ... if they don't have crossref and DOIs they can't so anything
... if they don't have crossref and DOIs they can't so anything ←
15:33:40 <dauwhe> ... so it's not a waste of time
... so it's not a waste of time ←
15:33:55 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:34:01 <dauwhe> ... now we're in this hybrid of open access and subscription
... now we're in this hybrid of open access and subscription ←
15:34:09 <dauwhe> ... the content needs to carry rights info
... the content needs to carry rights info ←
15:34:22 <dauwhe> ... and crossref is building a system to do that, and NISO has a standard
... and crossref is building a system to do that, and NISO has a standard ←
15:34:34 <dauwhe> ... and crossref has set up fundref, a reference of funders
... and crossref has set up fundref, a reference of funders ←
15:34:47 <dauwhe> ... so authors can publicly ack. the funders of the research
... so authors can publicly ack. the funders of the research ←
15:34:59 <dauwhe> ... so the big difference with STEM Is this ecosystem
... so the big difference with STEM Is this ecosystem ←
15:35:03 <dauwhe> ... one other thing:
... one other thing: ←
15:35:11 <dauwhe> ... the rights thing is reallly interesting.
... the rights thing is reallly interesting. ←
15:35:26 <dauwhe> ... it's not just about discovery. You need to know the rights once you discover something.
... it's not just about discovery. You need to know the rights once you discover something. ←
15:35:41 <dauwhe> ... ??? has a rights working group. It focuses on agents and publishers and authors
... ??? has a rights working group. It focuses on agents and publishers and authors ←
15:35:54 <dauwhe> ... the news people from IPTC are also focusing on rights metadata.
... the news people from IPTC are also focusing on rights metadata. ←
15:36:07 <dauwhe> ... the magazine people... PRISM has a rights vocab
... the magazine people... PRISM has a rights vocab ←
15:36:15 <pkra1> ??? = BISG
Peter Krautzberger: BISG = BISG ←
15:36:17 <dauwhe> ... it's all siloed; they're not working together
... it's all siloed; they're not working together ←
15:36:24 <dauwhe> Liza: let's talk about discovery
Liza Daly: let's talk about discovery ←
15:36:32 <dauwhe> ... the word discovery is not suffiecient
... the word discovery is not suffiecient ←
15:36:36 <ivan> s/???/BISG/
15:36:48 <liza> ack TimCole
15:37:12 <dauwhe> TimCole: Scholarly publishers were meeting in Boston last week.
Timothy Cole: Scholarly publishers were meeting in Boston last week. ←
15:37:17 <liza> "Discovery and Attribution"? "Discovery and Access"? "Discovery and Rights"?
Liza Daly: "Discovery and Attribution"? "Discovery and Access"? "Discovery and Rights"? ←
15:37:27 <dauwhe> ... the ecosystem comment is interesting
... the ecosystem comment is interesting ←
15:37:41 <dauwhe> ... there is an ecosystem in trade, but it's seen as a one time event
... there is an ecosystem in trade, but it's seen as a one time event ←
15:37:51 <dauwhe> ... Librarians do use ONIX
... Librarians do use ONIX ←
15:38:05 <dauwhe> ... Librarians add holding info, access info...
... Librarians add holding info, access info... ←
15:38:14 <dauwhe> ... so metadata gets completed from several sources
... so metadata gets completed from several sources ←
15:38:19 <liza> "Discovery and Authority"?
Liza Daly: "Discovery and Authority"? ←
15:38:23 <dauwhe> ... so there's a governance challeng
... so there's a governance challeng ←
15:38:41 <dauwhe> ... we need to make sure that metadata is augmented/enriched over time
... we need to make sure that metadata is augmented/enriched over time ←
15:38:49 <dauwhe> ... need to do that in a way that's managed
... need to do that in a way that's managed ←
15:39:04 <dauwhe> ... first step is that the metadata record at pub time is not the final metadata
... first step is that the metadata record at pub time is not the final metadata ←
15:39:12 <dauwhe> ... it will update and change over time
... it will update and change over time ←
15:39:19 <dauwhe> ... we need more organized way to do that
... we need more organized way to do that ←
15:39:36 <dauwhe> ... part of it is mind-set in different parts of the workflow; what they're responsible for
... part of it is mind-set in different parts of the workflow; what they're responsible for ←
15:39:47 <liza> ack Ivan
15:39:53 <dauwhe> Ivan: one remakr
Ivan Herman: one remakr ←
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15:40:05 <dauwhe> wihtout minimizing importance of crossref
wihtout minimizing importance of crossref ←
15:40:20 <dauwhe> Ivan: the tradition of the scholarly world
Ivan Herman: the tradition of the scholarly world ←
15:40:27 <dauwhe> ... they already used metadata extensively
... they already used metadata extensively ←
15:40:32 <dauwhe> ... I was in research
... I was in research ←
15:40:43 <dauwhe> ... having an exact citiation to another pub is very important
... having an exact citiation to another pub is very important ←
15:40:49 <dauwhe> ... this is how scholars are judged.
... this is how scholars are judged. ←
15:40:55 <dauwhe> ... a precise citation is metadata.
... a precise citation is metadata. ←
15:41:15 <dauwhe> ... crossref is important, but they came into a community that was already ripe for doing it on computers
... crossref is important, but they came into a community that was already ripe for doing it on computers ←
15:41:20 <dauwhe> ... and that's a big difference
... and that's a big difference ←
15:41:30 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: publishers demanded crossref be created
Bill Kasdorf: publishers demanded crossref be created ←
15:41:48 <dauwhe> ... that could be done because metadata was already fundamental in that group
... that could be done because metadata was already fundamental in that group ←
15:42:08 <dauwhe> ... the header metadata is a required element, the body is optional in these XML vocabs
... the header metadata is a required element, the body is optional in these XML vocabs ←
15:42:20 <dauwhe> Liza: discovery is optional but important
Liza Daly: discovery is optional but important ←
15:42:43 <dauwhe> ... there is a 2nd set of metadata is absolutely required for process
... there is a 2nd set of metadata is absolutely required for process ←
15:42:49 <dauwhe> ... like rights information
... like rights information ←
15:43:00 <TimCole> q+
Timothy Cole: q+ ←
15:43:06 <liza> ack TimCole
15:43:07 <dauwhe> ... maybe that's a useful split: what MUST be there, and what just helps it be discovered
... maybe that's a useful split: what MUST be there, and what just helps it be discovered ←
15:43:21 <dauwhe> TimCole: There were ??? experiments done before crossref
Timothy Cole: There were ??? experiments done before crossref ←
15:43:35 <dauwhe> ... when we first submitted records, we typed those records
... when we first submitted records, we typed those records ←
15:43:45 <dauwhe> ... we were told we included too much metadata
... we were told we included too much metadata ←
15:44:43 <dauwhe> ... we didn't want to include too much metadata for a particular function. Do the right thing in your system, but don't step on other toes
... we didn't want to include too much metadata for a particular function. Do the right thing in your system, but don't step on other toes ←
15:44:58 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: crossref is the minimal possible metadata do do the xref function
Bill Kasdorf: crossref is the minimal possible metadata do do the xref function ←
15:45:12 <dauwhe> ... because they exist, they assume it has ALL metadata
... because they exist, they assume it has ALL metadata ←
15:45:27 <dauwhe> ... there's an assumption it's a global repo, it's not.
... there's an assumption it's a global repo, it's not. ←
15:45:34 <dauwhe> ... getting back to Madi's report
... getting back to Madi's report ←
15:45:37 <dauwhe> ... from edu side
... from edu side ←
15:45:46 <dauwhe> ... first, the granularity of content is fundamentally important
... first, the granularity of content is fundamentally important ←
15:45:55 <dauwhe> ... and the other worlds don't want to think that way
... and the other worlds don't want to think that way ←
15:46:11 <dauwhe> ... but edu has to use that.
... but edu has to use that. ←
15:46:26 <dauwhe> Liza: don't want to get hung up on what the publishers think of this
Liza Daly: don't want to get hung up on what the publishers think of this ←
15:46:41 <dauwhe> ... in Safari we need to integrate things from all those different worlds
... in Safari we need to integrate things from all those different worlds ←
15:46:50 <dauwhe> ... the common ground is more important
... the common ground is more important ←
15:46:56 <dauwhe> ... and what users get from it
... and what users get from it ←
15:47:04 <dauwhe> ... what does metadata deliver to the reader?
... what does metadata deliver to the reader? ←
15:47:20 <dauwhe> ... that's more important that what the traditional publishing silos think.
... that's more important that what the traditional publishing silos think. ←
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15:47:35 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: Who does the work? That's important
Bill Kasdorf: Who does the work? That's important ←
15:47:46 <dauwhe> ... where does it come from? Who does it?
... where does it come from? Who does it? ←
15:47:52 <dauwhe> ... it's someone elses problem
... it's someone elses problem ←
15:47:56 <TimCole> DOI-X experiments -- http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=7867
Timothy Cole: DOI-X experiments -- http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=7867 ←
15:48:10 <dauwhe> ... address at granular level
... address at granular level ←
15:48:36 <dauwhe> ... different folks might be the authority for different sorts of metadata
... different folks might be the authority for different sorts of metadata ←
15:48:42 <dauwhe> ... but that doesn't exist right now
... but that doesn't exist right now ←
15:49:00 <dauwhe> Liza: what do you think are most relevant to OWP?
Liza Daly: what do you think are most relevant to OWP? ←
15:49:07 <pkra1> 42
Peter Krautzberger: 42 ←
15:50:03 <dauwhe> Ivan: We can say these things are really relevant for OWP
Ivan Herman: We can say these things are really relevant for OWP ←
15:50:21 <dauwhe> ... or things that we can only draw attention to
... or things that we can only draw attention to ←
15:50:40 <dauwhe> ... I don't know how much energy it would require to go through docs to identify what OWP could do
... I don't know how much energy it would require to go through docs to identify what OWP could do ←
15:50:48 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: We need to do this
Bill Kasdorf: We need to do this ←
15:51:07 <dauwhe> ... Having this report is great
... Having this report is great ←
15:51:23 <dauwhe> ... can we look at this over the next few weeks?
... can we look at this over the next few weeks? ←
15:51:26 <dauwhe> Madi: yes
Madi Solomon: yes ←
15:51:27 <Luc> +q
Luc Audrain: +q ←
15:51:37 <dauwhe> ... I do believe we're circling the horses
... I do believe we're circling the horses ←
15:51:48 <dauwhe> ... once we put it together and share with the group
... once we put it together and share with the group ←
15:51:58 <liza> ack Luc
15:52:02 <dauwhe> ... I think recommendations will emerge
... I think recommendations will emerge ←
15:52:23 <dauwhe> Luc: I'm wondering shows that questions of organization and governance
Luc Audrain: I'm wondering shows that questions of organization and governance ←
15:52:30 <dauwhe> ... but can we do anything about that?
... but can we do anything about that? ←
15:52:39 <dauwhe> Madi: Can you repeat question?
Madi Solomon: Can you repeat question? ←
15:53:10 <dauwhe> Luc: the questions are questions of governance. Can this group address such questions? It doesn't seem a natural activity for W3C.
Luc Audrain: the questions are questions of governance. Can this group address such questions? It doesn't seem a natural activity for W3C. ←
15:53:27 <dauwhe> Madi: Governance within standards is still an issue
Madi Solomon: Governance within standards is still an issue ←
15:53:41 <gcapiel> q+
Gerardo Capiel: q+ ←
15:53:54 <dauwhe> ... if we can build a coalition among different standards groups
... if we can build a coalition among different standards groups ←
15:54:05 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: There's a deer-in-headlights reaction
Bill Kasdorf: There's a deer-in-headlights reaction ←
15:54:14 <dauwhe> ... it's so mind-boggling they can't process it.
... it's so mind-boggling they can't process it. ←
15:54:14 <liza> ack gcapiel
15:54:23 <dauwhe> ... providing a clearer path forward would be helpful
... providing a clearer path forward would be helpful ←
15:54:40 <dauwhe> gcapiel: adding metadata at different points in lifecycle
Gerardo Capiel: adding metadata at different points in lifecycle ←
15:54:50 <dauwhe> ... there's a project called the learning registry
... there's a project called the learning registry ←
15:54:59 <dauwhe> ... AAP is doing a pilot with it
... AAP is doing a pilot with it ←
15:55:00 <liza> http://learningregistry.org/ ?
Liza Daly: http://learningregistry.org/ ? ←
15:55:26 <dauwhe> ... It's a technology platform from Dept of Ed that allows metadata about a resource to be submitted by anyone
... It's a technology platform from Dept of Ed that allows metadata about a resource to be submitted by anyone ←
15:55:37 <dauwhe> ... we worked on it from a11y perspective
... we worked on it from a11y perspective ←
15:55:47 <dauwhe> ... someone aligned videos with common core
... someone aligned videos with common core ←
15:55:57 <dauwhe> ... we came in and described them with schema.org
... we came in and described them with schema.org ←
15:56:08 <dauwhe> ... multiple people added different types of metadata
... multiple people added different types of metadata ←
15:56:17 <dauwhe> ... it's a project worth looking at
... it's a project worth looking at ←
15:56:30 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: that's a good example of the ecosystem thing
Bill Kasdorf: that's a good example of the ecosystem thing ←
15:56:38 <gcapiel> http://learningregistry.org
Gerardo Capiel: http://learningregistry.org ←
15:56:40 <dauwhe> ... the existence of a service is good
... the existence of a service is good ←
15:56:47 <dauwhe> Ivan: that's true for schema.org, too.
Ivan Herman: that's true for schema.org, too. ←
15:57:11 <dauwhe> Liza: next step is tying it togehter with Bill's work, and then deciding which group at W3C could help with which parts
Liza Daly: next step is tying it together with Bill's work, and then deciding which group at W3C could help with which parts ←
15:57:21 <dauwhe> Ivan: done by next week :)
Ivan Herman: done by next week :) ←
15:57:27 <dauwhe> Liza: sure :)
15:57:35 <ivan> s/togehter/together/
15:57:42 <dauwhe> ... let's talk about renaming for metadata on mailing list
... let's talk about renaming for metadata on mailing list ←
15:57:50 <dauwhe> ... we can also bring that up on next call
... we can also bring that up on next call ←
15:58:00 <dauwhe> Ivan: I think an email discussion would be useful.
Ivan Herman: I think an email discussion would be useful. ←
15:58:09 <dauwhe> Liza: I'll start an email thread about it.
Liza Daly: I'll start an email thread about it. ←
15:58:11 <pkra1> +1
Peter Krautzberger: +1 ←
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