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14:19:07 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:19:07 <trackbot> Date: 02 June 2014
14:19:17 <ivan> Chair: Liza Daly
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15:01:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see AH_Miller, philm, +1.646.336.aabb, azaroth, Karen_Myers, Luc, +1.617.439.aadd, gcapiel, ivan, dauwhe, duga, murakami, benjaminsko, julie
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15:01:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see AH_Miller, philm, +1.646.336.aabb, azaroth, Karen_Myers, Luc, liza, gcapiel, ivan, dauwhe, duga, murakami, benjaminsko, julie
15:01:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see liza, benjaminsko, brady_duga, dkaplan3, gcapiel, Luc, Julie, philm, murakami, azaroth, AH_Miller, karen, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, ivan, pkra1, liam, plinss, astearns,
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15:04:53 <liza> http://www.w3.org/2014/05/19-dpub-minutes.html
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15:05:05 <dauwhe> ... Minutes approved.
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15:05:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see AH_Miller, philm, Julie, azaroth, Karen_Myers, Luc, liza, gcapiel, ivan, dauwhe, duga, murakami (muted), benjaminsko, julie, tim_cole, pbelfanti, Bert,
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15:06:21 <ivan> Present+ Madi
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15:07:07 <dauwhe> Liza: Madi put together interviews at Pearson about Metadata
15:07:16 <dauwhe> ... complements Bill Kasdorf's interviews
15:07:29 <dauwhe> ... then we can talk about renaming task forces
15:07:37 <dauwhe> ... making the names goal-oriented
15:07:52 <dauwhe> ... so we don't have to solve every problem in publishing.
15:08:31 <dauwhe> madi: is BIll here?
15:08:49 <dauwhe> ... I did some casual interviews across lots of context
15:09:02 <dauwhe> ... what are your challenges and pain points as you move from print to digital
15:09:12 <dauwhe> ... Bill talked to lots of publishers
15:09:23 <dauwhe> ... I talked to lots of Pearson folks (educational publishing)
15:09:32 <dauwhe> ... I interviewed 12 people
15:09:49 <dauwhe> ... across global schools/primary schools, vocational, higher ed, and english language teaching
15:09:59 <dauwhe> ... they were very candid
15:10:04 <dauwhe> ... about their pain points.
15:10:13 <dauwhe> ... the report is breezy and easy to read
15:10:20 <dauwhe> ... even executives can read it!
15:10:32 <dauwhe> ... the top priorities will be no surprise
15:10:39 <dauwhe> ... when I combined my interviews with Bill's
15:10:47 <dauwhe> ... the results were very different
15:10:56 <dauwhe> ... lots of differences between edu and trade
15:11:11 <dauwhe> ... trade books don't get atomized
15:11:25 <dauwhe> ... trade talked about ONIX, BISAC, PRISM
15:11:42 <dauwhe> ... Edu publisher want to offer modularized content around particular subjects
15:11:50 <dauwhe> ... so different components can be mashed up
15:12:04 <dauwhe> ... they talk about learning objects
15:12:19 <dauwhe> ... this is true across all types of education
15:12:33 <dauwhe> ... students even using this material at home
15:12:56 <dauwhe> ... publishers are focused on getting these resources into all sorts of devices
15:13:09 <dauwhe> ... top issue reported is (drum roll)
15:13:22 <dauwhe> ... governance
15:13:30 <dauwhe> ... there's enough industry standards
15:13:46 <dauwhe> ... but the right to refuse is still embedded in traditional publishing process
15:13:55 <dauwhe> ... so publishers will refuse to add metadata
15:14:03 <dauwhe> ... there's no mechanism from that moment format
15:14:10 <dauwhe> ... in content creation and distribution
15:14:20 <dauwhe> ... there are rights to refuse along the entire workflow
15:14:26 <dauwhe> ... and they all exercise that right
15:14:51 <dauwhe> ... they want some kind of mechanism that says you can't go any further until you complete A and B
15:15:09 <dauwhe> ... it needs to be incorporated/integrated across entire workflow
15:15:21 <dauwhe> ... the next two are ...
15:16:08 <dauwhe> ... true for trade, edu, stem
15:16:16 <dauwhe> ... free access is something they're dealing now
15:16:35 <dauwhe> ... so the question is about expressing rights
15:16:56 <dauwhe> ... to express rights for digital mobility, digital downloads, digital views
15:17:04 <dauwhe> ... which may come from many producers
15:17:10 <dauwhe> ... royalties are a problem.
15:17:20 <dauwhe> ... if we're chunking content
15:17:31 <dauwhe> ... how much do we charge for the download of a chapter
15:17:41 <dauwhe> ... tracking things at the low level is hard
15:18:11 <dauwhe> ... the next thing is Flow. Workflow...
15:18:23 <dauwhe> ... content creation starts at the signing of an agreement.
15:18:31 <dauwhe> ... there are some rights agreed with the author
15:18:44 <dauwhe> ... but those rights are stuck in the contract, and don't flow with the content
15:18:56 <dauwhe> ... we need to migrate metadata from one part of the work to the next
15:19:03 <dauwhe> ... at the end of the workflow
15:19:11 <dauwhe> ... you need to distribute the content
15:19:19 <dauwhe> ... but they don't know what the rights and metadata are
15:19:32 <dauwhe> ... so they have to research, translate, convert metadata
15:19:40 <dauwhe> ... and this is labor-intensive
15:19:48 <dauwhe> ... they want a more holistic approach
15:20:03 <dauwhe> ... so metadata doesn't just come in at the end
15:20:04 <Zakim> -pkra
15:20:16 <dauwhe> ... "metadata is a myth"
15:20:32 <dauwhe> ... "there's no metadata, so there's no value, so there's no use case"
15:20:42 <Zakim> +pkra
15:20:46 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: metadata schmetadata
15:20:47 <Luc> Do they sell any book?
15:21:04 <dauwhe> madi: half the respondents don't really know that much about metadata
15:21:28 <dauwhe> ... they don't understand it enough to put it into practice with their teams
15:21:33 <dauwhe> ... so it's back to governance
15:21:42 <dauwhe> ... so there's no one saying "this is how it's gonna go"
15:21:53 <dauwhe> ... "I don't get a bonus for metadata, I won't do it"
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15:22:08 <dauwhe> ... there needs to be authority to make metadata happen
15:22:28 <dauwhe> ... needs to happen from top down
15:22:34 <dauwhe> ... businesses are ready to change
15:22:44 <dauwhe> ... standards was another common issue
15:22:50 <dauwhe> ... people can't make this up as we go
15:23:00 <dauwhe> ... edu publishers must gather around industry standards
15:23:27 <dauwhe> ... we want to offer an oasis to offer recommendations
15:23:37 <dauwhe> ... other answers that were'n't as popular
15:23:49 <dauwhe> ... inconsistency
15:24:02 <dauwhe> ... not just between metadata schemas, but between specific terms
15:24:06 <dauwhe> ... lack of incentives
15:24:13 <dauwhe> ... which relates to government
15:24:21 <dauwhe> ... working for the greater good doesn't help THEM
15:24:28 <dauwhe> ... a need for learning objectives
15:24:32 <liza> We can offer them an OASIS
15:24:36 <dauwhe> ... from standard curriculum authorities
15:24:43 <liza> (metadata joke)
15:24:54 <dauwhe> ... testing etc. are based on these curriculum authorities
15:25:05 <dauwhe> ... everyone wants someone else to do metadata
15:25:21 <dauwhe> ... they want a 'metadata laundry service'
15:25:42 <dauwhe> ... the conclusion is that everyone has a better understanding
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15:25:48 <dauwhe> ... but no one is ready to do something
15:25:58 <dauwhe> ... but they want someone else to do that something
15:26:18 <dauwhe> ... so let's synthesize my stuff with Bill Kasdorf's
15:26:36 <dauwhe> ... and there's the content and markup task force
15:26:47 <dauwhe> ... and avoid a piecemeal approach
15:26:50 <dauwhe> Liza: thanks!
15:26:58 <pkra1> +1
15:27:01 <dauwhe> ... what do edu publishers grapple with?
15:27:16 <dauwhe> ... trade has been behind on atomic content
15:27:41 <dauwhe> ... how much is this around having to distribute pieces of content?
15:27:47 <dauwhe> ... and how much is around the basics
15:28:03 <dauwhe> madi: they're still grappling with where they are and where they're standing
15:28:10 <dauwhe> ... but they now have a vision of where they need to go
15:28:26 <dauwhe> ... and can articulate that.
15:28:39 <dauwhe> ... some even said that the legacy stuff should be abandoned
15:28:49 <dauwhe> Ivan: sigh
15:28:51 <Luc> sigh
15:28:55 <TimCole> q+
15:29:04 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: Can I add some thoughts?
15:29:12 <dauwhe> TimCole: Go ahead bill
15:29:42 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: First, fabulous report. It rings true to me, even though I focused on different slice of publishing
15:30:07 <dauwhe> ... and trade and edu focus on different things
15:30:18 <dauwhe> ... let's be careful not to lose that distinction
15:30:32 <pbelfanti> Apologies, I need to drop
15:30:39 <dauwhe> ... a third axis: most were thinking about trade, a subset were from STEM
15:30:55 <dauwhe> ... so we need to think about STEM, as they are different from both trade and edu
15:30:55 <Zakim> -pbelfanti
15:31:20 <dauwhe> ... first, I finally posted my interview with Carol Myer from crossref
15:31:28 <dauwhe> ... it's now in the wiki
15:31:41 <dauwhe> ... what resonated is something that came up in idpf board meeting
15:31:54 <dauwhe> ... STEM is part of an ecosystem
15:32:06 <dauwhe> ... many of them feel that basic metadata is a solved problem
15:32:20 <dauwhe> ... the xml models all have extensive metadata headers
15:32:31 <dauwhe> ... they have loads of metadata associated with their content
15:32:44 <dauwhe> ... like the trade publishers, it tends to be product focused
15:32:57 <dauwhe> ... but it's an article rather than a subsection of something
15:33:04 <dauwhe> ... so not quite like edu
15:33:16 <dauwhe> ... it works well because there's an ecosystem
15:33:23 <dauwhe> ... they have to use the metadata
15:33:34 <dauwhe> ... if they don't have crossref and DOIs they can't so anything
15:33:40 <dauwhe> ... so it's not a waste of time
15:33:55 <ivan> q+
15:34:01 <dauwhe> ... now we're in this hybrid of open access and subscription
15:34:09 <dauwhe> ... the content needs to carry rights info
15:34:22 <dauwhe> ... and crossref is building a system to do that, and NISO has a standard
15:34:34 <dauwhe> ... and crossref has set up fundref, a reference of funders
15:34:47 <dauwhe> ... so authors can publicly ack. the funders of the research
15:34:59 <dauwhe> ... so the big difference with STEM Is this ecosystem
15:35:03 <dauwhe> ... one other thing:
15:35:11 <dauwhe> ... the rights thing is reallly interesting.
15:35:26 <dauwhe> ... it's not just about discovery. You need to know the rights once you discover something.
15:35:41 <dauwhe> ... ??? has a rights working group. It focuses on agents and publishers and authors
15:35:54 <dauwhe> ... the news people from IPTC are also focusing on rights metadata.
15:36:07 <dauwhe> ... the magazine people... PRISM has a rights vocab
15:36:15 <pkra1> ??? = BISG
15:36:17 <dauwhe> ... it's all siloed; they're not working together
15:36:24 <dauwhe> Liza: let's talk about discovery
15:36:32 <dauwhe> ... the word discovery is not suffiecient
15:36:36 <ivan> s/???/BISG/
15:36:48 <liza> ack TimCole
15:37:12 <dauwhe> TimCole: Scholarly publishers were meeting in Boston last week.
15:37:17 <liza> "Discovery and Attribution"? "Discovery and Access"? "Discovery and Rights"?
15:37:27 <dauwhe> ... the ecosystem comment is interesting
15:37:41 <dauwhe> ... there is an ecosystem in trade, but it's seen as a one time event
15:37:51 <dauwhe> ... Librarians do use ONIX
15:38:05 <dauwhe> ... Librarians add holding info, access info...
15:38:14 <dauwhe> ... so metadata gets completed from several sources
15:38:19 <liza> "Discovery and Authority"?
15:38:23 <dauwhe> ... so there's a governance challeng
15:38:41 <dauwhe> ... we need to make sure that metadata is augmented/enriched over time
15:38:49 <dauwhe> ... need to do that in a way that's managed
15:39:04 <dauwhe> ... first step is that the metadata record at pub time is not the final metadata
15:39:12 <dauwhe> ... it will update and change over time
15:39:19 <dauwhe> ... we need more organized way to do that
15:39:36 <dauwhe> ... part of it is mind-set in different parts of the workflow; what they're responsible for
15:39:47 <liza> ack Ivan
15:39:53 <dauwhe> Ivan: one remakr
15:40:04 <liza> s/rmakr/remark/
15:40:05 <dauwhe> wihtout minimizing importance of crossref
15:40:20 <dauwhe> Ivan: the tradition of the scholarly world
15:40:27 <dauwhe> ... they already used metadata extensively
15:40:32 <dauwhe> ... I was in research
15:40:43 <dauwhe> ... having an exact citiation to another pub is very important
15:40:49 <dauwhe> ... this is how scholars are judged.
15:40:55 <dauwhe> ... a precise citation is metadata.
15:41:15 <dauwhe> ... crossref is important, but they came into a community that was already ripe for doing it on computers
15:41:20 <dauwhe> ... and that's a big difference
15:41:30 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: publishers demanded crossref be created
15:41:48 <dauwhe> ... that could be done because metadata was already fundamental in that group
15:42:08 <dauwhe> ... the header metadata is a required element, the body is optional in these XML vocabs
15:42:20 <dauwhe> Liza: discovery is optional but important
15:42:43 <dauwhe> ... there is a 2nd set of metadata is absolutely required for process
15:42:49 <dauwhe> ... like rights information
15:43:00 <TimCole> q+
15:43:06 <liza> ack TimCole
15:43:07 <dauwhe> ... maybe that's a useful split: what MUST be there, and what just helps it be discovered
15:43:21 <dauwhe> TimCole: There were ??? experiments done before crossref
15:43:35 <dauwhe> ... when we first submitted records, we typed those records
15:43:45 <dauwhe> ... we were told we included too much metadata
15:44:43 <dauwhe> ... we didn't want to include too much metadata for a particular function. Do the right thing in your system, but don't step on other toes
15:44:58 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: crossref is the minimal possible metadata do do the xref function
15:45:12 <dauwhe> ... because they exist, they assume it has ALL metadata
15:45:27 <dauwhe> ... there's an assumption it's a global repo, it's not.
15:45:34 <dauwhe> ... getting back to Madi's report
15:45:37 <dauwhe> ... from edu side
15:45:46 <dauwhe> ... first, the granularity of content is fundamentally important
15:45:55 <dauwhe> ... and the other worlds don't want to think that way
15:46:11 <dauwhe> ... but edu has to use that.
15:46:26 <dauwhe> Liza: don't want to get hung up on what the publishers think of this
15:46:41 <dauwhe> ... in Safari we need to integrate things from all those different worlds
15:46:50 <dauwhe> ... the common ground is more important
15:46:56 <dauwhe> ... and what users get from it
15:47:04 <dauwhe> ... what does metadata deliver to the reader?
15:47:20 <dauwhe> ... that's more important that what the traditional publishing silos think.
15:47:21 <Zakim> -duga
15:47:35 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: Who does the work? That's important
15:47:46 <dauwhe> ... where does it come from? Who does it?
15:47:52 <dauwhe> ... it's someone elses problem
15:47:56 <TimCole> DOI-X experiments -- http://www.librarytechnology.org/ltg-displaytext.pl?RC=7867
15:48:10 <dauwhe> ... address at granular level
15:48:36 <dauwhe> ... different folks might be the authority for different sorts of metadata
15:48:42 <dauwhe> ... but that doesn't exist right now
15:49:00 <dauwhe> Liza: what do you think are most relevant to OWP?
15:49:07 <pkra1> 42
15:50:03 <dauwhe> Ivan: We can say these things are really relevant for OWP
15:50:21 <dauwhe> ... or things that we can only draw attention to
15:50:40 <dauwhe> ... I don't know how much energy it would require to go through docs to identify what OWP could do
15:50:48 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: We need to do this
15:51:07 <dauwhe> ... Having this report is great
15:51:23 <dauwhe> ... can we look at this over the next few weeks?
15:51:26 <dauwhe> Madi: yes
15:51:27 <Luc> +q
15:51:37 <dauwhe> ... I do believe we're circling the horses
15:51:48 <dauwhe> ... once we put it together and share with the group
15:51:58 <liza> ack Luc
15:52:02 <dauwhe> ... I think recommendations will emerge
15:52:23 <dauwhe> Luc: I'm wondering shows that questions of organization and governance
15:52:30 <dauwhe> ... but can we do anything about that?
15:52:39 <dauwhe> Madi: Can you repeat question?
15:53:10 <dauwhe> Luc: the questions are questions of governance. Can this group address such questions? It doesn't seem a natural activity for W3C.
15:53:27 <dauwhe> Madi: Governance within standards is still an issue
15:53:41 <gcapiel> q+
15:53:54 <dauwhe> ... if we can build a coalition among different standards groups
15:54:05 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: There's a deer-in-headlights reaction
15:54:14 <dauwhe> ... it's so mind-boggling they can't process it.
15:54:14 <liza> ack gcapiel
15:54:23 <dauwhe> ... providing a clearer path forward would be helpful
15:54:40 <dauwhe> gcapiel: adding metadata at different points in lifecycle
15:54:50 <dauwhe> ... there's a project called the learning registry
15:54:59 <dauwhe> ... AAP is doing a pilot with it
15:55:00 <liza> http://learningregistry.org/ ?
15:55:26 <dauwhe> ... It's a technology platform from Dept of Ed that allows metadata about a resource to be submitted by anyone
15:55:37 <dauwhe> ... we worked on it from a11y perspective
15:55:47 <dauwhe> ... someone aligned videos with common core
15:55:57 <dauwhe> ... we came in and described them with schema.org
15:56:08 <dauwhe> ... multiple people added different types of metadata
15:56:17 <dauwhe> ... it's a project worth looking at
15:56:30 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: that's a good example of the ecosystem thing
15:56:38 <gcapiel> http://learningregistry.org
15:56:40 <dauwhe> ... the existence of a service is good
15:56:47 <dauwhe> Ivan: that's true for schema.org, too.
15:57:11 <dauwhe> Liza: next step is tying it togehter with Bill's work, and then deciding which group at W3C could help with which parts
15:57:21 <dauwhe> Ivan: done by next week :)
15:57:27 <dauwhe> Liza: sure :)
15:57:35 <ivan> s/togehter/together/
15:57:42 <dauwhe> ... let's talk about renaming for metadata on mailing list
15:57:50 <dauwhe> ... we can also bring that up on next call
15:58:00 <dauwhe> Ivan: I think an email discussion would be useful.
15:58:09 <dauwhe> Liza: I'll start an email thread about it.
15:58:11 <pkra1> +1
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15:58:19 <dauwhe> Liza: I think that's it. We're adjourned.
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16:12:16 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:12:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/06/02-dpub-minutes.html ivan
16:12:28 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
16:12:28 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
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16:12:36 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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16:12:37 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:12:37 <RRSAgent> I see no action items