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Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 24 February 2014

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15:07:22 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub

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15:07:23 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
15:07:23 <trackbot> Date: 24 February 2014
15:38:25 <ivan> Regrets: Julie_Morris_BISG, laudrain

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15:43:59 <mgylling> Regrets: Julie_Morris_BISG, laudrain, Sharad Garg

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15:58:24 <Zakim> +Vlad

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15:58:31 <Zakim> +??P24

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15:58:44 <gcapiel> Za

Gerardo Capiel: Za

15:59:04 <Zakim> +??P26

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15:59:12 <ivan> zakim, code?

Ivan Herman: zakim, code?

15:59:12 <Zakim> the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3782 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ivan

15:59:15 <gcapiel> Zakim, ??P26 JS

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15:59:15 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P26 JS', gcapiel

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15:59:21 <mgylling> Zakim, ??p26 is me

Markus Gylling: Zakim, ??p26 is me

15:59:21 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it

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15:59:32 <Zakim> + +1.212.364.aaaa

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15:59:36 <gcapiel> Zakim, ??P24 is me

Gerardo Capiel: Zakim, ??P24 is me

15:59:36 <Zakim> +gcapiel; got it

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15:59:42 <Zakim> +Stearns

Zakim IRC Bot: +Stearns

15:59:51 <Zakim> +dauwhe

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16:00:17 <mgylling> Regrets: Julie_Morris_BISG, laudrain, Sharad Garg, Bert

Scribe problem: the name 'Julie_Morris_BISG' does not match any of the 64 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Singer Dmitry Shkolnik Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Gerardo Capiel Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Ivan Herman Jean Kaplansky Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Manuel Rego Casasnovas Marilyn Siderwicz Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Peter Linss Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Bowles Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Tom Burns Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki

16:00:55 <Zakim> +Ivan

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16:01:05 <Zakim> + +1.505.665.aabb

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16:01:17 <azaroth> zakim, aabb is me

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16:01:17 <Zakim> +azaroth; got it

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16:01:44 <Zakim> + +1.484.278.aacc

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16:01:55 <tzviya> zakim, aacc is me

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16:01:55 <Zakim> +tzviya; got it

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16:01:57 <Zakim> +Liam

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16:02:01 <Zakim> +??P0

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16:02:08 <tmichel> zakim, ??P0 is me

Thierry Michel: zakim, ??P0 is me

16:02:09 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it

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16:02:10 <tzviya> zakim, mute me

Tzviya Siegman: zakim, mute me

16:02:10 <Zakim> tzviya should now be muted

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16:02:14 <Zakim> -Liam

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16:02:27 <Zakim> +Liam

Zakim IRC Bot: +Liam

16:03:28 <dauwhe_> scribenick: dauwhe

(Scribe set to Dave Cramer)

16:03:31 <mgylling> scribe: dauwhe_
16:03:31 <tzviya> I'm working from someone else's house so i'll have to be on mute for most of the time

Tzviya Siegman: I'm working from someone else's house so i'll have to be on mute for most of the time

16:03:43 <Zakim> +AWK

Zakim IRC Bot: +AWK

16:03:59 <Zakim> + +1.734.904.aadd

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16:04:07 <dauwhe_> mgylling: after calls on singular topics, time for summaries today.

Markus Gylling: after calls on singular topics, time for summaries today.

16:04:19 <dauwhe_> ... want next steps and timelines

... want next steps and timelines

16:04:22 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

16:04:23 <fjh> zakim, IPcaller is me

Frederick Hirsch: zakim, IPcaller is me

16:04:23 <Zakim> +fjh; got it

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16:04:32 <dauwhe_> ... more concrete in getting to next steps in each efforts

... more concrete in getting to next steps in each efforts

16:04:42 <dauwhe_> ... need to approve minutes

... need to approve minutes

16:04:55 <dauwhe_> ... comments on minutes?

... comments on minutes?

16:04:59 <dshkolnik> Zakim, mute me

Dmitry Shkolnik: Zakim, mute me

16:04:59 <Zakim> sorry, dshkolnik, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, dshkolnik, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

16:05:01 <dauwhe_> ... last weeks minutes are approved.

... last weeks minutes are approved.

16:05:16 <dauwhe_> ... were Jan. 27 minutes approved?

... were Jan. 27 minutes approved?

16:05:22 <dauwhe_> Ivan: no meeting last week

Ivan Herman: no meeting last week

16:05:27 <tzviya> the 37 Jan minutes were not approved at last meeting

Tzviya Siegman: the 27 Jan minutes were not approved at last meeting

16:05:31 <dauwhe_> mgylling: it was two weeks ago

Markus Gylling: it was two weeks ago

16:05:43 <Zakim> +duga

Zakim IRC Bot: +duga

16:05:44 <ivan> s/37/27/
16:05:45 <dauwhe_> ... minutes of january 27 still not approved

... minutes of january 27 still not approved

16:06:01 <dauwhe_> ... markus has submitted corrections

... markus has submitted corrections

16:06:06 <dauwhe_> ... OK to approve?

... OK to approve?

16:06:07 <Zakim> -AWK

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Zakim IRC Bot: -AWK

16:06:12 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:06:15 <dauwhe_> ... minutes are approved. Hooray!

... minutes are approved. Hooray!

16:06:27 <Zakim> +AWK

Zakim IRC Bot: +AWK

16:06:39 <dshkolnik> Zakim, AWK is dshkolnik

Dmitry Shkolnik: Zakim, AWK is dshkolnik

16:06:39 <Zakim> +dshkolnik; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +dshkolnik; got it

16:06:45 <dshkolnik> Zakim, mute me

Dmitry Shkolnik: Zakim, mute me

16:06:45 <Zakim> dshkolnik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: dshkolnik should now be muted

16:06:50 <dauwhe_> Ivan: admin note: in two weeks, there will be a two-week period where Europe and US will differ on daylight savings time.

Ivan Herman: admin note: in two weeks, there will be a two-week period where Europe and US will differ on daylight savings time.

16:07:12 <dauwhe_> ... calls will be at same time for US residents

... calls will be at same time for US residents

16:07:20 <dauwhe_> .... but will be one hour earlier for everyone in Europe

.... but will be one hour earlier for everyone in Europe

16:07:30 <dauwhe_> ... I will send out an email to warn people of this change

... I will send out an email to warn people of this change

16:07:38 <dauwhe_> ... but expect chaos.

... but expect chaos.

16:08:25 <dauwhe_> ... UTC for W3C is irrelevant. Zero time is in Cambridge (our fair city).

... UTC for W3C is irrelevant. Zero time is in Cambridge, US (our fair city).

16:08:44 <dauwhe_> mgylling: in agenda, lots of task forces. We'll go through one by one.

Markus Gylling: in agenda, lots of task forces. We'll go through one by one.

16:08:55 <ivan> s/Cambridge/Cambridge, US/
16:08:58 <dauwhe_> ... summarize recent activity, near term plans, and timlines

... summarize recent activity, near term plans, and timlines

16:09:13 <dauwhe_> ... record commitments for next steps, which will vary by task force.

... record commitments for next steps, which will vary by task force.

16:09:31 <Zakim> +[Ugent]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[Ugent]

16:09:35 <dauwhe_> ... starting with Dave and LatinReq

... starting with Dave and LatinReq

16:09:41 <TomDN> Zakim, Ugent is me

Tom De Nies: Zakim, Ugent is me

16:09:41 <Zakim> +TomDN; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +TomDN; got it

16:09:46 <mgylling> scribe: mgylling

(Scribe set to Markus Gylling)

16:09:56 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me

Tom De Nies: Zakim, mute me

16:09:56 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted

16:10:28 <mgylling> Dave: not much recent activity, dude to day job and big push on CSS side (CSS Paged Media). So things have been quiet on LatinReq.

Dave Cramer: not much recent activity, due to day job and big push on CSS side (CSS Paged Media). So things have been quiet on LatinReq.

16:10:51 <mgylling> Dave: next step is to flesh out the drop caps section, will help ebook industry quite a bit

Dave Cramer: next step is to flesh out the drop caps section, will help ebook industry quite a bit

16:10:59 <ivan> s/dude/due/
16:11:29 <mgylling> Dave: Ben Ko has been working on table layout, but also limited due to day job. Not sure on his timing

Dave Cramer: Ben Ko has been working on table layout, but also limited due to day job. Not sure on his timing

16:12:13 <mgylling> Markus: what is needed to publish a public draft?

Markus Gylling: what is needed to publish a public draft?

16:13:02 <mgylling> Dave: clear that this document is going to evolve, part of me thinks we can publish a draft at any time. Already used as referenced in CSSWG, to illustrate points. Would be nice to have a more official status

Dave Cramer: clear that this document is going to evolve, part of me thinks we can publish a draft at any time. Already used as referenced in CSSWG, to illustrate points. Would be nice to have a more official status

16:13:22 <mgylling> Dave: thinks it falls under W3C WG draft at this point

Dave Cramer: thinks it falls under W3C WG draft at this point

16:13:35 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:14:35 <mgylling> Markus: astearns has been contributing about grids and stuff as well, but no recent discussion.

Markus Gylling: astearns has been contributing about grids and stuff as well, but no recent discussion.

16:15:10 <dauwhe_> astearns: I've mostly been working on grids

Alan Stearns: I've mostly been working on grids [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ]

16:15:23 <dauwhe_> ... but may not be able to contribute on adaptive layout for a while

Dave Cramer: ... but may not be able to contribute on adaptive layout for a while

16:15:26 <dshkolnik> I am

Dmitry Shkolnik: I am

16:15:30 <mgylling> asterans: haven't done anything re adaptive layout, for now baseline grid, not sure when I will have time to contribute re adaptive. Maybe Dimitri has something to contribute?

Scribe problem: the name 'asterans' does not match any of the 67 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alan Tam Alan Stearns Ben Ko Bert Bos Bill Kasdorf Brady Duga Casey Dougherty Daniel Schwabe Dave Cramer David Singer Dmitry Shkolnik Edward O'Connor Erik Mannens Frank Liu Frederick Hirsch George Kerscher George Walkley Gerardo Capiel Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian Ivan Herman Jean Kaplansky Jiphun Satapathy Jirka Kosek Julie Morris Jun Fujisawa Karen Myers Kenny Zhang Laura Fowler Liam Quin Livio Mondini Liza Daly Luc Audrain Madi Solomon Manuel Rego Casasnovas Marilyn Siderwicz Markku Hakkinen Markus Gylling Miel Vander Sande Mohamed ZERGAOUI Naitik Tyagi Paolo Ciccarese Peter Linss Phil Madans Pierre Danet Prashant Prashant Priyanka Malik Richard Bowles Richard Schwerdtfeger Robert Sanderson Robin Berjon Sharad Garg Somnath Chandra Suzanne Taylor Swaran Lata Thierry Michel Tim Clark Tom Burns Tom De Nies Tyng-Ruey Chuang Tzviya Siegman Vincent Gros Vlad Stirbu Vladimir Levantovsky akiyoshi ibuki Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown asterans: haven't done anything re adaptive layout, for now baseline grid, not sure when I will have time to contribute re adaptive. Maybe Dimitri has something to contribute?

16:15:32 <dshkolnik> Zakim, unmute me

Dmitry Shkolnik: Zakim, unmute me

16:15:32 <Zakim> dshkolnik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: dshkolnik should no longer be muted

16:15:36 <dauwhe_> ... Dimitry may be able to contribute, possibly

Dave Cramer: ... Dimitry may be able to contribute, possibly

16:16:03 <dauwhe_> dshkolnik: don't yet have specific requirements

Dmitry Shkolnik: don't yet have specific requirements [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ]

16:16:05 <mgylling> dshkolnik: trying to get information specific for magazine publishers, and frankly we don't see any specific requirements

Dmitry Shkolnik: trying to get information specific for magazine publishers, and frankly we don't see any specific requirements

16:16:16 <ivan> q later

Ivan Herman: q later

16:16:47 <dauwhe_> mgylling: don't wait for adaptive layout info

Markus Gylling: don't wait for adaptive layout info [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ]

16:16:56 <astearns> +1

Alan Stearns: +1

16:16:57 <dauwhe_> ... we can evolve document in time

Dave Cramer: ... we can evolve document in time

16:16:59 <mgylling> ack ivan

ack ivan

16:17:08 <mgylling> ack liam

ack liam

16:17:08 <Zakim> liam, you wanted to share notes about adaptive layout - content and constraints

Zakim IRC Bot: liam, you wanted to share notes about adaptive layout - content and constraints

16:17:10 <dauwhe_> Ivan: Liam firs

Ivan Herman: Liam firs [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ]

16:17:12 <dshkolnik> Zakim, mute me

Dmitry Shkolnik: Zakim, mute me

16:17:12 <Zakim> dshkolnik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: dshkolnik should now be muted

16:17:29 <dauwhe_> liam: did notes about adaptive layout when I did XSL-FO

Liam Quin: did notes about adaptive layout when I did XSL-FO [ Scribe Assist by Dave Cramer ]

16:17:35 <dauwhe_> ... the idea of alternate content

Dave Cramer: ... the idea of alternate content

16:17:59 <dauwhe_> ... depending on space, use shorter chapter title in running head if full title doesn't fit

Dave Cramer: ... depending on space, use shorter chapter title in running head if full title doesn't fit

16:18:12 <dauwhe_> ... layout constraints, which has been discussed around regions

Dave Cramer: ... layout constraints, which has been discussed around regions

16:18:27 <dauwhe_> ... some region use cases are about adaptive layout

Dave Cramer: ... some region use cases are about adaptive layout

16:18:34 <dauwhe_> ... I'm happy to share my notes

Dave Cramer: ... I'm happy to share my notes

16:18:44 <ivan> scribe: dauwhe_

(Scribe set to Dave Cramer)

16:18:51 <dauwhe_> ... agree we should go forward and publish

... agree we should go forward and publish

16:19:05 <dauwhe_> mgylling: adaptive content and layout are siblings

Markus Gylling: adaptive content and layout are siblings

16:19:32 <dauwhe_> ... trying to make sure that the IG produces use cases that serve publisher's needs

... trying to make sure that the IG produces use cases that serve publisher's needs

16:20:04 <dauwhe_> ... when would corpus of requirements for adaptive layout be needed by CSSWG for regions?

... when would corpus of requirements for adaptive layout be needed by CSSWG for regions?

16:20:13 <dauwhe_> Ivan: for mechanics

Ivan Herman: for mechanics

16:20:20 <dauwhe_> ... this would be our first published document

... this would be our first published document

16:20:32 <dauwhe_> ... publishing at W3C happens on Tuesdays and Thursdays

... publishing at W3C happens on Tuesdays and Thursdays

16:20:57 <dauwhe_> ... before we do anything, Ivan will need to request an official short name, which is latinreq

... before we do anything, Ivan will need to request an official short name, which is latinreq

16:21:05 <dauwhe_> ... must officially register that shortname

... must officially register that shortname

16:21:20 <dauwhe_> ... it's good that document is ready two=three days before pub date

... it's good that document is ready two=three days before pub date

16:21:32 <dauwhe_> ... we can decide on time later

... we can decide on time later

16:21:40 <dauwhe_> ... I do not travel at all in March

... I do not travel at all in March

16:21:49 <tmichel> I am also around for publication

Thierry Michel: I am also around for publication

16:22:18 <dauwhe_> ... ReSpec handles most problems that come up

... ReSpec handles most problems that come up

16:22:32 <tmichel> with respec we should be set ... validation and publication rules

Thierry Michel: with respec we should be set ... validation and publication rules

16:23:23 <dauwhe_> mgylling: sounds good. Is your ambition to flesh out drop caps and table layout before pub?

Markus Gylling: sounds good. Is your ambition to flesh out drop caps and table layout before pub?

16:23:29 <dauwhe_> dauwhe: I'll think about that.

Dave Cramer: I'll think about that.

16:23:42 <dauwhe_> mgylling: shall we move on? Any more questions about latinreq?

Markus Gylling: shall we move on? Any more questions about latinreq?

16:23:45 <azaroth> Static copy of Anno use cases: http://www.openannotation.org/usecases.html

Robert Sanderson: Static copy of Anno use cases: http://www.openannotation.org/usecases.html

16:23:50 <dauwhe_> ... Rob with annotations

... Rob with annotations

16:24:03 <dauwhe_> azaroth: been away recently

Robert Sanderson: been away recently

16:24:26 <dauwhe_> ... there is a version of use cases posted at above link, 80% complete

... there is a version of use cases posted at above link, 80% complete

16:24:32 <dauwhe_> ... done with respec

... done with respec

16:24:36 <dauwhe_> ... still need some work

... still need some work

16:24:44 <Zakim> + +1.609.216.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.609.216.aaee

16:24:49 <dauwhe_> ... talked with Ivan and Markus

... talked with Ivan and Markus

16:24:59 <dauwhe_> .... todo item is that short name needs to be changed

.... todo item is that short name needs to be changed

16:25:10 <dauwhe_> ... to something like annotation use cases

... to something like annotation use cases

16:25:13 <dauwhe_> ... comments welcome

... comments welcome

16:25:29 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:25:36 <dauwhe_> ... we are moving ahead with various W3C efforts like workshop in April

... we are moving ahead with various W3C efforts like workshop in April

16:25:43 <dauwhe_> ... and discussing charter for Annotation WG

... and discussing charter for Annotation WG

16:25:58 <dauwhe_> mgylling: time and next steps?

Markus Gylling: time and next steps?

16:26:13 <dauwhe_> ... 80% complete, once you reach 100%, when?

... 80% complete, once you reach 100%, when?

16:26:29 <dauwhe_> .azaroth: done by next week

.azaroth: done by next week

16:26:47 <dauwhe_> Ivan: if you feel it's 100% we can publish at note

Ivan Herman: if you feel it's 100% we can publish at note

16:27:02 <dauwhe_> ... usually we publish as Working Draft, asking for comments from community

... usually we publish as Working Draft, asking for comments from community

16:27:16 <dauwhe_> ... better to publish as WD to encourage comments

... better to publish as WD to encourage comments

16:27:39 <dauwhe_> ... in this case, try to publish together with latinreq, good that we publish several docs

... in this case, try to publish together with latinreq, good that we publish several docs

16:27:47 <dauwhe_> ... I think this can be done. So why not?

... I think this can be done. So why not?

16:27:57 <Zakim> +JeanKaplansky

Zakim IRC Bot: +JeanKaplansky

16:28:00 <dauwhe_> ... keep on open annotation, or move to github?

... keep on open annotation, or move to github?

16:28:06 <dauwhe_> azaroth: can live anywhere.

Robert Sanderson: can live anywhere.

16:28:24 <dauwhe_> Ivan: prefer to put it on github

Ivan Herman: prefer to put it on github

16:28:37 <dauwhe_> .... makes it easier for others to contribute

.... makes it easier for others to contribute

16:28:48 <dauwhe_> ... if it's outside GitHub, that may create future difficulties

... if it's outside GitHub, that may create future difficulties

16:29:00 <dauwhe_> azaroth: not a problem

Robert Sanderson: not a problem

16:29:16 <dauwhe_> mgylling: publishing a draft sounds good.

Markus Gylling: publishing a draft sounds good.

16:29:19 <dauwhe_> azaroth: +1

Robert Sanderson: +1

16:29:27 <dauwhe_> mgylling: no issues with charter?

Markus Gylling: no issues with charter?

16:29:38 <dauwhe_> Ivan: charter will be finalized after workshop.

Ivan Herman: charter will be finalized after workshop.

16:29:48 <dauwhe_> ... by time WG starts, probably be end of summer

... by time WG starts, probably be end of summer

16:29:57 <dauwhe_> ... OK if it's a final note when WG starts.

... OK if it's a final note when WG starts.

16:30:01 <dauwhe_> mgylling: great.

Markus Gylling: great.

16:30:08 <dauwhe_> ... one more week to reach 100%

... one more week to reach 100%

16:30:18 <dauwhe_> ... Ivan wants both published simultaneously

... Ivan wants both published simultaneously

16:30:26 <dauwhe_> ... leads me back to Dave Cramer

... leads me back to Dave Cramer

16:30:35 <dauwhe_> ... next Monday to decide? Is that possible?

... next Monday to decide? Is that possible?

16:30:57 <dauwhe_> dauwhe: ok to decide next monday.

Dave Cramer: ok to decide next monday.

16:31:00 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

16:31:04 <dauwhe_> mgylling: more questions on annotations?

Markus Gylling: more questions on annotations?

16:31:08 <mgylling> ack ivan

Markus Gylling: ack ivan

16:31:20 <ivan> regrets+ Liza

Ivan Herman: regrets+ Liza

16:31:36 <dauwhe_> mgylling: what's next? DOM pagination, with no leader

Markus Gylling: what's next? DOM pagination, with no leader

16:31:46 <dauwhe_> ... discussed two weeks ago when I was not on the call

... discussed two weeks ago when I was not on the call

16:31:56 <dauwhe_> ... others are better equipped to summarize

... others are better equipped to summarize

16:32:17 <dauwhe_> brady_duga: had action item to review use cases

Brady Duga: had action item to review use cases

16:32:26 <dauwhe_> ... I'm only a week late; hopefully be next week

... I'm only a week late; hopefully be next week

16:32:44 <dauwhe_> mgylling: you were looking for a task force lead. Any ideas yet?

Markus Gylling: you were looking for a task force lead. Any ideas yet?

16:32:57 <dauwhe_> brady_duga: don't remember who said what.

Brady Duga: don't remember who said what.

16:33:23 <dauwhe_> Ivan: Liza may ask someone at ??? University, more to join the group than to find a chair

Ivan Herman: Liza may ask someone at Oxford University, more to join the group than to find a chair

16:33:36 <dauwhe_> s/???/Oxford/
16:34:21 <dauwhe_> mgylling: use cases are reading-system-centric, should look at from content producer perspective

Markus Gylling: use cases are reading-system-centric, should look at from content producer perspective

16:34:25 <tzviya> weren't we going to ask Random House for use cases?

Tzviya Siegman: weren't we going to ask Random House for use cases?

16:34:33 <dauwhe_> ... that's one motivation to reach out to Oxford

... that's one motivation to reach out to Oxford

16:34:47 <dauwhe_> ... not much more we can do with Pagination DOM today. Am I missing something? No

... not much more we can do with Pagination DOM today. Am I missing something? No

16:34:55 <dauwhe_> ... moving on to Bill and Madi

... moving on to Bill and Madi

16:35:29 <dauwhe_> Bill_Kasdorf: not an orphaned group, just a neglectful parent. EDUPUB and EPUB3 Test Suite have taken lots of time

Bill Kasdorf: not an orphaned group, just a neglectful parent. EDUPUB and EPUB3 Test Suite have taken lots of time

16:35:44 <dauwhe_> ... progress so far due to Ivan, who restructured wiki

... progress so far due to Ivan, who restructured wiki

16:35:57 <dauwhe_> ... Ivan, Luc, and Phil have discussed issues on Wiki

... Ivan, Luc, and Phil have discussed issues on Wiki

16:36:21 <dauwhe_> ... quick summary: fundamental existential question of whether this IG is the right place to discuss these issues

... quick summary: fundamental existential question of whether this IG is the right place to discuss these issues

16:36:28 <dauwhe_> ... consensus is that this is the right place

... consensus is that this is the right place

16:36:39 <dauwhe_> ... start creating concrete use cases

... start creating concrete use cases

16:36:44 <dauwhe_> ... there are only two so far

... there are only two so far

16:36:52 <dauwhe_> ... overarching issue is vocabulary

... overarching issue is vocabulary

16:36:59 <dauwhe_> ... I said that was slippery slope

... I said that was slippery slope

16:37:05 <dauwhe_> ... there are a kazillion vocabularies

... there are a kazillion vocabularies

16:37:17 <dauwhe_> ... people dive into vocabularies too easily

... people dive into vocabularies too easily

16:37:31 <dauwhe_> ... having a guide to vocabularies has positive support

... having a guide to vocabularies has positive support

16:37:55 <dauwhe_> ... resources about resources: documents about all these vocabularies

... resources about resources: documents about all these vocabularies

16:38:02 <dauwhe_> ... developing such a guide would be useful

... developing such a guide would be useful

16:38:27 <dauwhe_> ... I'll be overseas next week, so won't be able to contribute for a while

... I'll be overseas next week, so won't be able to contribute for a while

16:38:41 <dauwhe_> ... but after that trip, I'll have some time. Will make strong push

... but after that trip, I'll have some time. Will make strong push

16:39:01 <dauwhe_> ... tasks: 1. develop description of the "guide to vocabularies"

... tasks: 1. develop description of the "guide to vocabularies"

16:39:07 <dauwhe_> ... 2. Add use cases

... 2. Add use cases

16:39:27 <dauwhe_> mgylling: 2nd half of march is when we expect you to ramp up?

Markus Gylling: 2nd half of march is when we expect you to ramp up?

16:39:37 <dauwhe_> Bill_Kasdorf: back on March 10.

Bill Kasdorf: back on March 10.

16:40:09 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

16:40:10 <dauwhe_> mgylling: OK. Ivan and others, do you have any comments?

Markus Gylling: OK. Ivan and others, do you have any comments?

16:40:21 <dauwhe_> Ivan: what's important is to get more use cases from publishers.

Ivan Herman: what's important is to get more use cases from publishers.

16:40:24 <dauwhe_> ... I can't do that.

... I can't do that.

16:40:44 <dauwhe_> ... most earlier discussion is more on the technology side, rather thna the publisher side

... most earlier discussion is more on the technology side, rather thna the publisher side

16:41:05 <dauwhe_> Bill_Kasdorf: when I said use cases, it needs to be from publishers

Bill Kasdorf: when I said use cases, it needs to be from publishers

16:41:20 <dauwhe_> ... this particular group needs to take into account annotations and accessibility

... this particular group needs to take into account annotations and accessibility

16:41:28 <dauwhe_> ... metadata is involved in both those areas

... metadata is involved in both those areas

16:41:49 <dauwhe_> ... if we come up with accessibility use cases, or annotations use cases, they should stay in those groups

... if we come up with accessibility use cases, or annotations use cases, they should stay in those groups

16:41:53 <dauwhe_> ... there will be overlap

... there will be overlap

16:42:13 <dauwhe_> Ivan: use cases may apply to several task forces

Ivan Herman: use cases may apply to several task forces

16:42:33 <dauwhe_> Bill_Kasdorf: don't want to dupllicate effort

Bill Kasdorf: don't want to duplicate effort

16:42:40 <dauwhe_> s/dupllicate/duplicate/
16:43:00 <dauwhe_> mgyling: do you want to devote a call to your task force?

Markus Gylling: do you want to devote a call to your task force?

16:43:12 <dauwhe_> s/mgyling/mgylling/
16:43:30 <dauwhe_> Bill_Kasdorf: when's optimal time for that? Won't be ready by 10th. Maybe on the 17th?

Bill Kasdorf: when's optimal time for that? Won't be ready by 10th. Maybe on the 17th?

16:43:43 <dauwhe_> ... it's not a reporting as much an interactive session

... it's not a reporting as much an interactive session

16:43:59 <dauwhe_> mgylling: OK to record March 17 as call devoted to metadata task force?

Markus Gylling: OK to record March 17 as call devoted to metadata task force?

16:44:05 <dauwhe_> Bill_Kasdorf: OK.

Bill Kasdorf: OK.

16:44:09 <dauwhe_> mgylling: done.

Markus Gylling: done.

16:44:14 <dauwhe_> ... any nore questions on metadata?

... any nore questions on metadata?

16:44:22 <dauwhe_> ... moving on. Tzviya:

... moving on. Tzviya:

16:44:25 <tzviya> Zkim, unmute me

Tzviya Siegman: Zkim, unmute me

16:44:31 <dauwhe_> tzviya:

Tzviya Siegman:

16:44:32 <tzviya> zakim, unmite me

Tzviya Siegman: zakim, unmite me

16:44:32 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmite me', tzviya

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'unmite me', tzviya

16:44:41 <tzviya> zakim, umute me

Tzviya Siegman: zakim, umute me

16:44:41 <Zakim> I don't understand 'umute me', tzviya

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'umute me', tzviya

16:44:50 <tzviya> zakim, unmute me

Tzviya Siegman: zakim, unmute me

16:44:50 <Zakim> tzviya should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: tzviya should no longer be muted

16:44:53 <azaroth> :)

Robert Sanderson: :)

16:44:56 <dauwhe_> ... [having trouble spelling]

... [having trouble spelling]

16:45:19 <dauwhe_> ... Behavioural UI has suffered from group neglect

... Behavioural UI has suffered from group neglect

16:45:25 <dauwhe_> ... haven't gotten very far

... haven't gotten very far

16:45:38 <dauwhe_> ... how much broad interest is there in this area?

... how much broad interest is there in this area?

16:46:09 <dauwhe_> ... i'd like to gauge how much interest there is

... i'd like to gauge how much interest there is

16:46:42 <dauwhe_> ... not a lot of activity around the use cases

... not a lot of activity around the use cases

16:46:44 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

16:46:50 <mgylling> ack ivan

Markus Gylling: ack ivan

16:47:02 <Zakim> -duga

Zakim IRC Bot: -duga

16:47:05 <dauwhe_> Ivan: my understanding based on SLC conversations

Ivan Herman: my understanding based on SLC conversations

16:47:18 <dauwhe_> ... play on the role attribute and how it's used in HTML

... play on the role attribute and how it's used in HTML

16:47:21 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+

Bill Kasdorf: q+

16:47:28 <dauwhe_> ... joint work between IG and ARIA

... joint work between IG and ARIA

16:47:38 <dauwhe_> ... Rich is not here today

... Rich is not here today

16:48:07 <dauwhe_> ... we should get joint meeting with ARIA, what should be done, what can be done, how can this group help

... we should get joint meeting with ARIA, what should be done, what can be done, how can this group help

16:48:29 <dauwhe_> ... invite on that call co-chair of HTML working group

... invite on that call co-chair of HTML working group

16:48:43 <dauwhe_> tzviya: that touches on an area we haven't discussed

Tzviya Siegman: that touches on an area we haven't discussed

16:49:11 <dauwhe_> ... aria roles and epub:type are often for structural elements, chapter and preface

... aria roles and epub:type are often for structural elements, chapter and preface

16:49:22 <dauwhe_> ... being expanded for things that have behaviour like indexes

... being expanded for things that have behaviour like indexes

16:49:32 <dauwhe_> ... our use cases mostly involve behavioural intent

... our use cases mostly involve behavioural intent

16:49:43 <dauwhe_> ... like when user wants to adjust font family

... like when user wants to adjust font family

16:49:51 <dauwhe_> ... but monospace code should not change fonts

... but monospace code should not change fonts

16:49:58 <dauwhe_> ... would ARIA help with this?

... would ARIA help with this?

16:50:14 <dauwhe_> ... there may be two parts: ARIA stuff and behavioural UI

... there may be two parts: ARIA stuff and behavioural UI

16:50:21 <dauwhe_> Ivan: don't have an answer

Ivan Herman: don't have an answer

16:50:28 <dauwhe_> ... need to talk with ARIA people.

... need to talk with ARIA people.

16:50:37 <dauwhe_> ... ARIA was originally done for accessibility

... ARIA was originally done for accessibility

16:50:58 <dauwhe_> ... the usage of role may evolve beyond the original scope

... the usage of role may evolve beyond the original scope

16:51:04 <dauwhe_> ... but we need to ask them

... but we need to ask them

16:51:10 <dauwhe_> tzviya: OK

Tzviya Siegman: OK

16:51:32 <dauwhe_> mgylling: the role attribute discussion is not the only thing going on there, but something we need to engage in

Markus Gylling: the role attribute discussion is not the only thing going on there, but something we need to engage in

16:51:41 <dauwhe_> ... your task force is the place to do this

... your task force is the place to do this

16:52:03 <dauwhe_> ... it might be about redesigning parts of epub to make more compliant with OWP

... it might be about redesigning parts of epub to make more compliant with OWP

16:52:19 <dauwhe_> ... perhaps meet with 1 or 2 of the editors, then HTML chairs

... perhaps meet with 1 or 2 of the editors, then HTML chairs

16:52:24 <dauwhe_> tzviya: I agree

Tzviya Siegman: I agree

16:52:31 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

16:52:33 <dauwhe_> Ivan: should I set up a Doodle?

Ivan Herman: should I set up a Doodle?

16:52:55 <dauwhe_> Ivan: I need list of people who should be on the call?

Ivan Herman: I need list of people who should be on the call?

16:53:15 <dauwhe_> mgylling: Ivan, Markus, Tzviya, Rich, Ted, Robin, Gerardo

Markus Gylling: Ivan, Markus, Tzviya, Rich, Ted, Robin, Gerardo

16:53:36 <dauwhe_> gcapiel: we've been having parallel discussion about using ARIA roles in SVG

Gerardo Capiel: we've been having parallel discussion about using ARIA roles in SVG

16:53:50 <mgylling> for doodle list also: Mark Hakkinen

Markus Gylling: for doodle list also: Mark Hakkinen

16:53:51 <dauwhe_> ... we met at EDUPUB to talk about this; there's a wiki I can reference

... we met at EDUPUB to talk about this; there's a wiki I can reference

16:54:03 <dauwhe_> ... the same idea has application here

... the same idea has application here

16:54:14 <dauwhe_> ... I can attend the call, or can be represented by Rich

... I can attend the call, or can be represented by Rich

16:54:19 <dauwhe_> Ivan: I will put you on the list

Ivan Herman: I will put you on the list

16:54:31 <dauwhe_> mgylling: five minutes to go and lots of task forces to cover

Markus Gylling: five minutes to go and lots of task forces to cover

16:54:36 <Bill_Kasdorf> q-

Bill Kasdorf: q-

16:54:47 <dauwhe_> ... accessibility: next steps etc

... accessibility: next steps etc

16:55:06 <dauwhe_> gcapiel: Rich and I and Mark H. and shepazou had about alternative modalities

Gerardo Capiel: Rich and I and Mark H. and shepazou had about alternative modalities

16:55:18 <dauwhe_> ... right before XML discussed with Daniel Weck about SMIL

... right before christmas discussed with Daniel Weck about SMIL

16:55:32 <dauwhe_> ... support for web platform ???

... support for web platform ???

16:55:40 <dauwhe_> ... some prior efforts that didn't go anywhere

... some prior efforts that didn't go anywhere

16:55:47 <dauwhe_> ... that's a big area that hasn't been covered

... that's a big area that hasn't been covered

16:55:52 <dauwhe_> ... on annotations

... on annotations

16:56:10 <dauwhe_> ... added some stuff, will go deeper as I think about iAnnotate event

... added some stuff, will go deeper as I think about iAnnotate event

16:56:23 <dauwhe_> ... we should loop in with Mark H re CSS speech use cases

... we should loop in with Mark H re CSS speech use cases

16:56:35 <dauwhe_> ... there is a spec, but browser support is week

... there is a spec, but browser support is weak

16:56:38 <dauwhe_> s/week/weak/
16:57:02 <dauwhe_> mgylling: meeting with Suzanne, and Sue Fowler

Markus Gylling: meeting with Suzanne, and Sue Fowler

16:57:13 <dauwhe_> ... three minutes to go

... three minutes to go

16:57:34 <dauwhe_> Jeank: Math is a poor red-headed step-orphan-child

Jean Kaplansky: Math is a poor red-headed step-orphan-child

16:57:48 <dauwhe_> ... our use case count has not gone up

... our use case count has not gone up

16:57:52 <dauwhe_> ... we could find more

... we could find more

16:58:06 <dauwhe_> ... we'd like more use cases from actual publisher

... we'd like more use cases from actual publisher

16:58:18 <dauwhe_> ... I can solicit them, but I need to know which kinds of publishers

... I can solicit them, but I need to know which kinds of publishers

16:58:22 <dauwhe_> ... journal or book?

... journal or book?

16:58:25 <mgylling> s/right before XML/right before christmas
16:58:28 <tzviya> +1 to liam

Tzviya Siegman: +1 to liam

16:58:31 <dauwhe_> ... probably get more from Journal publishers

... probably get more from Journal publishers

16:58:48 <dauwhe_> ... some stuff happening in Math and accessibility

... some stuff happening in Math and accessibility

16:58:59 <Bill_Kasdorf> Note that there is vastly more journal content online than book content, which is mainly EPUB etc.

Bill Kasdorf: Note that there is vastly more journal content online than book content, which is mainly EPUB etc.

16:59:04 <dauwhe_> ... math should be accessible!

... math should be accessible!

16:59:25 <dauwhe_> ... need some time to get updated use cases, and then meet with accessibility group

... need some time to get updated use cases, and then meet with accessibility group

16:59:41 <dauwhe_> mgylling: do you have a name of who you can work with re accesibility?

Markus Gylling: do you have a name of who you can work with re accesibility?

16:59:48 <dauwhe_> Jeank: I would start with gcapiel

Jean Kaplansky: I would start with gcapiel

17:00:04 <dauwhe_> ... Design Science is also working on accessible math, which is good

... Design Science is also working on accessible math, which is good

17:00:22 <mgylling> q?

Markus Gylling: q?

17:00:23 <dauwhe_> ... I have at least two sources to talk about accessible

... I have at least two sources to talk about accessible

17:00:42 <dauwhe_> tzviya: do you want examples from chemistry?

Tzviya Siegman: do you want examples from chemistry?

17:00:53 <dauwhe_> ... CML is unsupported

... CML is unsupported

17:01:00 <dauwhe_> Jeank: we've been using math for that

Jean Kaplansky: we've been using math for that

17:01:11 <dauwhe_> mgylling: concrete action item for Tzviya

Markus Gylling: concrete action item for Tzviya

17:01:44 <dauwhe_> mgylling: we should clarify scope here for deliverables

Markus Gylling: we should clarify scope here for deliverables

17:01:53 <dauwhe_> ... same holds true for Tzviya's group

... same holds true for Tzviya's group

17:02:09 <dauwhe_> ... focus on accessibility with Math and Chemistry is good

... focus on accessibility with Math and Chemistry is good

17:02:21 <dauwhe_> ... any final comments or questions? Great. Thank you all.

... any final comments or questions? Great. Thank you all.

17:02:28 <tmichel> rrsagent, draft minutes

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17:02:37 <dauwhe_> ... next week we'll push buttons to publish annotations and latinreq

... next week we'll push buttons to publish annotations and latinreq

17:02:52 <Zakim> -gcapiel

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17:02:55 <Zakim> -fjh

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17:02:58 <azaroth> Thanks all :)

Robert Sanderson: Thanks all :)

17:02:58 <TomDN> bye

Tom De Nies: bye

17:02:58 <tmichel> next meeting: next week

Thierry Michel: next meeting: next week

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