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15:21:47 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
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15:21:47 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 39 minutes
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15:21:48 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
15:21:48 <trackbot> Date: 02 December 2013
15:24:11 <walkley> scribe:walkley
(Scribe set to George Walkley)
15:25:53 <walkley> scribe: walkley
15:47:43 <mgylling> mgylling has changed the topic to: Dial-in code: 3782
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Markus Gylling: mgylling has changed the topic to: Dial-in code: 3782 ←
15:48:04 <mgylling> mgylling has changed the topic to: DPUB IG Dial-in code: 3782
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15:50:17 <Zakim> SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has now started
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15:50:24 <Zakim> +??P0
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0 ←
15:50:53 <walkley> zakim, +??P0 is walkley
zakim, +??P0 is walkley ←
15:50:53 <Zakim> sorry, walkley, I do not recognize a party named '+??P0'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, walkley, I do not recognize a party named '+??P0' ←
15:51:07 <walkley> zakim, P0 is walkley
zakim, P0 is walkley ←
15:51:07 <Zakim> sorry, walkley, I do not recognize a party named 'P0'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, walkley, I do not recognize a party named 'P0' ←
15:53:43 <walkley> zakim, ??P0 is walkley
zakim, ??P0 is walkley ←
15:53:43 <Zakim> +walkley; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +walkley; got it ←
15:55:18 <Zakim> + +1.917.207.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.917.207.aaaa ←
15:55:32 <dauwhe> Zakim, aaaa is dauwhe
Dave Cramer: Zakim, aaaa is dauwhe ←
15:55:32 <Zakim> +dauwhe; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dauwhe; got it ←
15:56:11 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
15:58:04 <Zakim> + +1.206.675.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.206.675.aabb ←
15:58:11 <astearns> Zakim, aabb is me
Alan Stearns: Zakim, aabb is me ←
15:58:11 <Zakim> +astearns; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +astearns; got it ←
15:58:43 <Zakim> +??P20
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P20 ←
15:58:54 <mgylling> Zakim, ??P20 is mgylling
Markus Gylling: Zakim, ??P20 is mgylling ←
15:58:54 <Zakim> +mgylling; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mgylling; got it ←
15:59:02 <Zakim> +??P25
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25 ←
16:00:21 <mgylling> scribe: walkley
16:00:38 <Zakim> + +1.518.669.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.669.aacc ←
16:01:14 <Zakim> + +329331aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +329331aadd ←
16:01:14 <Zakim> + +33.6.48.38.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.6.48.38.aaee ←
16:01:22 <TomDN> Zakim, +32 is me
Tom De Nies: Zakim, +32 is me ←
16:01:22 <Zakim> +TomDN; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +TomDN; got it ←
16:01:23 <ivan> zakim, aacc is JeanK
Ivan Herman: zakim, aacc is JeanK ←
16:01:23 <Zakim> +JeanK; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JeanK; got it ←
16:01:27 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me
Tom De Nies: Zakim, mute me ←
16:01:27 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted ←
16:01:33 <mgylling> AOB addition: review of CSS shapes http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Nov/0088.html
Markus Gylling: AOB addition: review of CSS shapes http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Nov/0088.html ←
16:01:33 <ivan> zakim, aaee is laudrain
Ivan Herman: zakim, aaee is laudrain ←
16:01:33 <Zakim> +laudrain; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +laudrain; got it ←
16:01:36 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
16:01:38 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, [IPcaller] is me ←
16:01:38 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +fjh; got it ←
16:01:40 <Zakim> + +1.917.447.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.917.447.aaff ←
16:01:45 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
Frederick Hirsch: Present+ Frederick_Hirsch ←
16:01:51 <TomDN> that is me
Tom De Nies: that is me ←
16:01:57 <Zakim> +plinss
Zakim IRC Bot: +plinss ←
16:01:58 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, who is here? ←
16:01:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see walkley, dauwhe, Ivan, astearns, mgylling, ??P25, JeanK, laudrain, TomDN (muted), fjh, +1.917.447.aaff, plinss
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see walkley, dauwhe, Ivan, astearns, mgylling, ??P25, JeanK, laudrain, TomDN (muted), fjh, +1.917.447.aaff, plinss ←
16:01:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, benjaminsko, gcapiel, laudrain, TomDN, fjh, mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, walkley, Suzanne, ivan, dauwhe, astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, benjaminsko, gcapiel, laudrain, TomDN, fjh, mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, walkley, Suzanne, ivan, dauwhe, astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss ←
16:01:59 <Zakim> + +1.734.904.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.734.904.aagg ←
16:02:03 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute me
Tom De Nies: Zakim, unmute me ←
16:02:03 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should no longer be muted ←
16:02:14 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me
Tom De Nies: Zakim, mute me ←
16:02:15 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted ←
16:02:26 <ivan> zakim, ??P25 is gcapiel
Ivan Herman: zakim, ??P25 is gcapiel ←
16:02:26 <Zakim> +gcapiel; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +gcapiel; got it ←
16:02:52 <ivan> zakim, aaff is benjaminsko
Ivan Herman: zakim, aaff is benjaminsko ←
16:02:53 <dauwhe> Zakim, aaff is benjaminsko
Dave Cramer: Zakim, aaff is benjaminsko ←
16:02:53 <Zakim> +benjaminsko; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +benjaminsko; got it ←
16:02:54 <Zakim> sorry, dauwhe, I do not recognize a party named 'aaff'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, dauwhe, I do not recognize a party named 'aaff' ←
16:03:48 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
16:03:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see walkley, dauwhe, Ivan, astearns, mgylling, gcapiel, JeanK, laudrain, TomDN (muted), fjh, benjaminsko, plinss, +1.734.904.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see walkley, dauwhe, Ivan, astearns, mgylling, gcapiel, JeanK, laudrain, TomDN (muted), fjh, benjaminsko, plinss, +1.734.904.aagg ←
16:03:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see tzviya, Bill_Kasdorf, benjaminsko, gcapiel, laudrain, TomDN, fjh, mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, walkley, Suzanne, ivan, dauwhe, astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see tzviya, Bill_Kasdorf, benjaminsko, gcapiel, laudrain, TomDN, fjh, mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, walkley, Suzanne, ivan, dauwhe, astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss ←
16:04:05 <ivan> zakim, aagg is Bill_Kasdorf
Ivan Herman: zakim, aagg is Bill_Kasdorf ←
16:04:06 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Bill_Kasdorf; got it ←
16:04:13 <Zakim> +Tzviya
Zakim IRC Bot: +Tzviya ←
16:04:41 <Zakim> +Suzanne_Taylor
Zakim IRC Bot: +Suzanne_Taylor ←
16:04:44 <walkley> mgylling: a relatively short agenda today, one item of AOB
Markus Gylling: a relatively short agenda today, one item of AOB ←
16:04:51 <Zakim> +madi
Zakim IRC Bot: +madi ←
16:05:06 <walkley> …which is the request for review of CSS shapes. We will try to volunteer someone for that.
…which is the request for review of CSS shapes. We will try to volunteer someone for that. ←
16:05:18 <Zakim> + +1.609.216.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.609.216.aahh ←
16:05:30 <walkley> mgylling: asked laudrain to give intro
Markus Gylling: asked laudrain to give intro ←
16:06:07 <Zakim> +Bert
Zakim IRC Bot: +Bert ←
16:06:07 <walkley> laudrain: 20 years in digital publishing, sgml, xml, now works for Hachette Livre where he is in charge of digital outputs.
Luc Audrain: 20 years in digital publishing, sgml, xml, now works for Hachette Livre where he is in charge of digital outputs. ←
16:06:27 <Zakim> +Sharad_Garg
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sharad_Garg ←
16:06:45 <walkley> …involved in IDPF working groups, metadata in ONIX, RDF, W3C SVG working group
…involved in IDPF working groups, metadata in ONIX, RDF, W3C SVG working group ←
16:07:16 <walkley> mgylling: asked if laudrain is up to date with IG documents
Markus Gylling: asked if laudrain is up to date with IG documents ←
16:07:26 <walkley> laudrain: will get up to speed
Luc Audrain: will get up to speed ←
16:07:48 <walkley> mgylling: today's call a very good introduction, one of the items is to review task force summaries.
Markus Gylling: today's call a very good introduction, one of the items is to review task force summaries. ←
16:08:51 <ivan> zakim, aahh is Laura_Fowler
Ivan Herman: zakim, aahh is Laura_Fowler ←
16:08:51 <Zakim> +Laura_Fowler; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Laura_Fowler; got it ←
16:09:23 <walkley> mgylling: last week, no proper minutes as bots weren't working, but text doc at http://www.w3.org/2013/11/dpub-call-minutes-25.txt
Markus Gylling: last week, no proper minutes as bots weren't working, but text doc at http://www.w3.org/2013/11/dpub-call-minutes-25.txt ←
16:09:28 <walkley> …any comments?
…any comments? ←
16:09:45 <walkley> …none, so last week's minutes approved.
…none, so last week's minutes approved. ←
16:10:53 <walkley> mgylling: main topic is organisation/working practices for these calls. But first, Q&A/discussions on TPAC F2F meeting. Any questions/remarks arising from TPAC minutes?
Markus Gylling: main topic is organisation/working practices for these calls. But first, Q&A/discussions on TPAC F2F meeting. Any questions/remarks arising from TPAC minutes? ←
16:10:59 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
16:11:21 <TomDN> +1 for condensed summary
Tom De Nies: +1 for condensed summary ←
16:11:22 <mgylling> ack Tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack Tzviya ←
16:11:28 <fjh> +1 for condensed summary
Frederick Hirsch: +1 for condensed summary ←
16:11:45 <Zakim> + +1.646.336.aaii
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.646.336.aaii ←
16:11:52 <fjh> q+
Frederick Hirsch: q+ ←
16:12:00 <walkley> tzviya: one area of confusion… read through the minutes on DRM and clear on the fact that DRM is out of scope for now, but there might have been a discussion on security. What exactly are we calling security at this point?
Tzviya Siegman: one area of confusion… read through the minutes on DRM and clear on the fact that DRM is out of scope for now, but there might have been a discussion on security. What exactly are we calling security at this point? ←
16:12:11 <Zakim> -Laura_Fowler
Zakim IRC Bot: -Laura_Fowler ←
16:12:26 <Zakim> +??P61
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P61 ←
16:12:29 <mgylling> ack fjh
Markus Gylling: ack fjh ←
16:12:42 <Zakim> +Laura_Fowler
Zakim IRC Bot: +Laura_Fowler ←
16:12:43 <ivan> zakim, who is noisy?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is noisy? ←
16:12:54 <fjh> q-
Frederick Hirsch: q- ←
16:12:54 <Zakim> ivan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mgylling (20%), laudrain (9%), Bill_Kasdorf (13%), Sharad_Garg (27%)
Zakim IRC Bot: ivan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mgylling (20%), laudrain (9%), Bill_Kasdorf (13%), Sharad_Garg (27%) ←
16:12:57 <walkley> fjh: Security threats may arise that need to be addressed.
Frederick Hirsch: Use of underlying open web platform technologies may enable security threats that may need to be addressed. ←
16:13:11 <tmichel> zakim, who is here ?
Thierry Michel: zakim, who is here ? ←
16:13:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see walkley, dauwhe, Ivan, astearns, mgylling, gcapiel, JeanK, laudrain, TomDN (muted), fjh, benjaminsko, plinss, Bill_Kasdorf, Tzviya, Suzanne_Taylor, madi, Bert,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see walkley, dauwhe, Ivan, astearns, mgylling, gcapiel, JeanK, laudrain, TomDN (muted), fjh, benjaminsko, plinss, Bill_Kasdorf, Tzviya, Suzanne_Taylor, madi, Bert, ←
16:13:12 <Zakim> ... Sharad_Garg, +1.646.336.aaii (muted), ??P61, Laura_Fowler
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Sharad_Garg, +1.646.336.aaii (muted), ??P61, Laura_Fowler ←
16:13:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see tmichel, Madi, Bert, Sharad, JeanK, tzviya, Bill_Kasdorf, benjaminsko, gcapiel, laudrain, TomDN, fjh, mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, walkley, Suzanne, ivan, dauwhe,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see tmichel, Madi, Bert, Sharad, JeanK, tzviya, Bill_Kasdorf, benjaminsko, gcapiel, laudrain, TomDN, fjh, mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, walkley, Suzanne, ivan, dauwhe, ←
16:13:12 <Zakim> ... astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss
Zakim IRC Bot: ... astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss ←
16:13:46 <walkley> Sharad: many other issues, DRM is a component, has an action item to discuss with fjh. tzviya welcome to contribute.
Sharad Garg: many other issues, DRM is a component, has an action item to discuss with fjh. tzviya welcome to contribute. ←
16:14:20 <tmichel> zakim, ??P6 is tmichel
Thierry Michel: zakim, ??P6 is tmichel ←
16:14:20 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +tmichel; got it ←
16:15:03 <fjh> s/Security threats may arise that need to be addressed./Use of underlying open web platform technologies may enable security threats that may need to be addressed./
16:15:07 <ivan> Guest: Jullie Morris, BISG
16:15:22 <walkley> mgylling: asked Julie Morris from BISG to introduce herself, trade association for book industry in US
Markus Gylling: asked Julie Morris from BISG to introduce herself, trade association for book industry in US ←
16:16:28 <walkley> mgylling: one other thing, is privacy in scope from a user point of view. Asked fjh and Sharad for view.
Markus Gylling: one other thing, is privacy in scope from a user point of view. Asked fjh and Sharad for view. ←
16:16:33 <walkley> fjh: should be in scope
Frederick Hirsch: should be in scope ←
16:16:46 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:16:49 <walkley> mgylling: Sharad will be lead on this task force.
Markus Gylling: Sharad will be lead on this task force. ←
16:16:57 <Zakim> -laudrain
Zakim IRC Bot: -laudrain ←
16:17:18 <walkley> …Should we produce text summary or refer to minutes?
…Should we produce text summary or refer to minutes? ←
16:17:48 <walkley> ivan: as we don't use a tracker with actions, having a list of main resolutions might be a good thing. This exists in draft and needs to be cleaned up and posted to mailing list.
Ivan Herman: as we don't use a tracker with actions, having a list of main resolutions might be a good thing. This exists in draft and needs to be cleaned up and posted to mailing list. ←
16:18:14 <walkley> action: mgylling to produce summary
ACTION: mgylling to produce summary ←
16:18:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-12 - Produce summary [on Markus Gylling - due 2013-12-09].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-12 - Produce summary [on Markus Gylling - due 2013-12-09]. ←
16:18:26 <walkley> mgylling: any other TPAC questions?
Markus Gylling: any other TPAC questions? ←
16:18:47 <ivan> Topic: consolidation of task forces
16:18:50 <mgylling> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces
Markus Gylling: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces ←
16:19:42 <walkley> ivan: has set up a Wiki page for each task force linked from this table.
Ivan Herman: has set up a Wiki page for each task force linked from this table. ←
16:20:01 <walkley> mgylling: a few of these are new, Page DOM for example.
Markus Gylling: a few of these are new, Page DOM for example. ←
16:20:34 <walkley> …this is something that came up during TPAC via brady
…this is something that came up during TPAC via brady ←
16:20:45 <Zakim> + +33.1.41.23.aajj
Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.1.41.23.aajj ←
16:21:16 <walkley> …In terms of the fourth column, these task forces won't necessarily use the same method for documentation.
…In terms of the fourth column, these task forces won't necessarily use the same method for documentation. ←
16:21:21 <ivan> zakim, aajj is laudrain
Ivan Herman: zakim, aajj is laudrain ←
16:21:21 <Zakim> +laudrain; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +laudrain; got it ←
16:21:43 <walkley> …have one example, Latinreq, which has separate document and will eventually have use cases
…have one example, Latinreq, which has separate document and will eventually have use cases ←
16:21:57 <walkley> …other groups primarily expected to work on the wiki use case tree
…other groups primarily expected to work on the wiki use case tree ←
16:22:07 <walkley> …but no problem if a lead wants to move to another form
…but no problem if a lead wants to move to another form ←
16:22:45 <walkley> …These activities will deliver on different schedules. At this point we don't see that we will be able to synchronise everyone for January. Some much faster than others.
…These activities will deliver on different schedules. At this point we don't see that we will be able to synchronise everyone for January. Some much faster than others. ←
16:22:59 <walkley> …doesn't quite match how charter predicted work but will have to do best.
…doesn't quite match how charter predicted work but will have to do best. ←
16:23:27 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:23:31 <walkley> …have to accept varying deliverable dates. Those are overall comments, thanks to ivan for putting together. Any questions or remarks, including from task force leads.
…have to accept varying deliverable dates. Those are overall comments, thanks to ivan for putting together. Any questions or remarks, including from task force leads. ←
16:23:56 <walkley> …in terms of recent activities, Bill_Kasdorf...?
…in terms of recent activities, Bill_Kasdorf...? ←
16:24:17 <walkley> Bill_Kasdorf: have drafted invitation describing mission of task force and soliciting volunteers, to be circulated after this call.
Bill Kasdorf: have drafted invitation describing mission of task force and soliciting volunteers, to be circulated after this call. ←
16:24:30 <walkley> ...Sent to mgylling Madi and ivan for review.
...Sent to mgylling Madi and ivan for review. ←
16:24:38 <walkley> ...Takes broad view of metadata
...Takes broad view of metadata ←
16:25:06 <walkley> …another possible outcome might be determination that issue is broader than this IG.
…another possible outcome might be determination that issue is broader than this IG. ←
16:25:20 <walkley> …might be appropriate to consider separate metadata IG.
…might be appropriate to consider separate metadata IG. ←
16:25:36 <walkley> …initial task identifying problems with publisher use of metadata which will be done on wiki.
…initial task identifying problems with publisher use of metadata which will be done on wiki. ←
16:25:52 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:25:59 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Metadata wiki page for the metadata task force
Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Metadata wiki page for the metadata task force ←
16:26:18 <walkley> mgylling: the next agenda item is MO of the IG calls moving forward
Markus Gylling: the next agenda item is MO of the IG calls moving forward ←
16:26:26 <ivan> Topic: modus operandi moving forward
16:26:38 <walkley> …so far we have been spending calls having status updates from various groups
…so far we have been spending calls having status updates from various groups ←
16:27:21 <walkley> …question is whether we should rethink the way we use our calls and list activity to focus more on specific topics for a larger chunk of time. Of course, other ways as well.
…question is whether we should rethink the way we use our calls and list activity to focus more on specific topics for a larger chunk of time. Of course, other ways as well. ←
16:27:35 <walkley> …should we give the leads an hour of quality time on their area.
…should we give the leads an hour of quality time on their area. ←
16:27:46 <walkley> Madi: an hour is a very long time.
Madi Solomon: an hour is a very long time. ←
16:28:05 <fjh> q+
Frederick Hirsch: q+ ←
16:28:09 <walkley> …Pearson asks for everything to be justified in ten minutes. Be brief, be brilliant, be gone. How about 30 mins?
…Pearson asks for everything to be justified in ten minutes. Be brief, be brilliant, be gone. How about 30 mins? ←
16:28:18 <walkley> …two task forces per meeting.
…two task forces per meeting. ←
16:28:19 <mgylling> ack fjh
Markus Gylling: ack fjh ←
16:28:26 <walkley> fjh: agrees with Madi
Frederick Hirsch: agrees with Madi ←
16:28:31 <fjh> q-
Frederick Hirsch: q- ←
16:28:45 <walkley> mgylling: suggestion not to make calls longer, but to work on use case development during calls.
Markus Gylling: suggestion not to make calls longer, but to work on use case development during calls. ←
16:29:16 <tzviya> q+
Tzviya Siegman: q+ ←
16:29:35 <Suzanne> q+
Suzanne Taylor: q+ ←
16:29:47 <walkley> …to produce volume of material required will take longer
…to produce volume of material required will take longer ←
16:29:56 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:30:02 <mgylling> ack tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack tzviya ←
16:30:14 <walkley> tzviya: notes how long it can take to do the background work.
Tzviya Siegman: notes how long it can take to do the background work. ←
16:30:17 <Zakim> -plinss
Zakim IRC Bot: -plinss ←
16:30:29 <JeanK> q+
Jean Kaplansky: q+ ←
16:30:50 <mgylling> ack Suzanne
Markus Gylling: ack Suzanne ←
16:30:52 <walkley> …sometimes splitting hairs takes longer than one expects. Conversation very informative, discussion very helpful. In favour of greater focus, two topics per call.
…sometimes splitting hairs takes longer than one expects. Conversation very informative, discussion very helpful. In favour of greater focus, two topics per call. ←
16:30:52 <Madi> I must jump off to go to another meeting.
Madi Solomon: I must jump off to go to another meeting. ←
16:31:07 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
Bill Kasdorf: q+ ←
16:31:18 <mgylling> ack JeanK
Markus Gylling: ack JeanK ←
16:31:24 <walkley> Suzanne: agreed with that. Thinking about separate meetings for accessibility, but would be great to have more detail in meeting.
Suzanne Taylor: agreed with that. Thinking about separate meetings for accessibility, but would be great to have more detail in meeting. ←
16:31:43 <walkley> JeanK: tzviya and I have own working group, research not insignificant, some off-group conversations.
Jean Kaplansky: tzviya and I have own working group, research not insignificant, some off-group conversations. ←
16:32:11 <walkley> …bigger thing is being able to concentrate on 1-2 topics per meeting, would need to come to conclusions more quickly.
…bigger thing is being able to concentrate on 1-2 topics per meeting, would need to come to conclusions more quickly. ←
16:32:11 <Zakim> -madi
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16:32:12 <mgylling> ack Bill_Kasdorf
Markus Gylling: ack Bill_Kasdorf ←
16:32:14 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:32:30 <Zakim> +plinss
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16:32:48 <walkley> Bill_Kasdorf: related question: understand individual task forces don't have to work same way. Curious as to how many TFs are having off-group calls? General meetings shouldn't be that.
Bill Kasdorf: related question: understand individual task forces don't have to work same way. Curious as to how many task forces are having off-group calls? General meetings shouldn't be that. ←
16:33:13 <walkley> …results of task force calls should then be discussed with group as a whole.
…results of task force calls should then be discussed with group as a whole. ←
16:33:25 <Zakim> -plinss
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16:33:25 <TomDN> q+
Tom De Nies: q+ ←
16:33:29 <dauwhe> q+
Dave Cramer: q+ ←
16:33:35 <walkley> mgylling: concern about risk for silos to develop off-list. Would be better to do thinking/discovery process on-list.
Markus Gylling: concern about risk for silos to develop off-list. Would be better to do thinking/discovery process on-list. ←
16:34:05 <TomDN> -q
Tom De Nies: -q ←
16:34:06 <mgylling> ack Ivan
Markus Gylling: ack Ivan ←
16:34:11 <walkley> Bill_Kasdorf: I anticipated most of work done on-list and wiki, and periodic but infrequent TF calls offlist.
Bill Kasdorf: I anticipated most of work done on-list and wiki, and periodic but infrequent task force calls offlist. ←
16:34:21 <fjh> +1
Frederick Hirsch: +1 ←
16:34:42 <dauwhe> q-
Dave Cramer: q- ←
16:34:59 <JeanK> +1 to mailing list, but use a prefix in [] to indicate which task force you're discussing specifically.
Jean Kaplansky: +1 to mailing list, but use a prefix in [] to indicate which task force you're discussing specifically. ←
16:35:05 <TomDN> +1 to what Bill said. this telecon should ideally be used to /present/ the results of the individual TF's work (avoiding large discussion on this call)
Tom De Nies: +1 to what Bill said. this telecon should ideally be used to /present/ the results of the individual task force's work (avoiding large discussion on this call) ←
16:35:19 <walkley> ivan: Would really like to see discussions done through mailing list, interested to see what is going on in TFs even if cannot contribute, important to know what is happening, also on-list discussions are archived for posterity, might be useful later.
Ivan Herman: Would really like to see discussions done through mailing list, interested to see what is going on in task forces even if cannot contribute, important to know what is happening, also on-list discussions are archived for posterity, might be useful later. ←
16:35:39 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:35:41 <walkley> …organising with a prefix per TF would be good.
…organising with a prefix per task force would be good. ←
16:36:11 <walkley> s/TF/task force/g
16:36:27 <walkley> mgylling: Many of the task forces would benefit from wider input.
Markus Gylling: Many of the task forces would benefit from wider input. ←
16:36:31 <JeanK> q+
Jean Kaplansky: q+ ←
16:36:52 <mgylling> ack JeanK
Markus Gylling: ack JeanK ←
16:36:54 <walkley> Bill_Kasdorf: what I was implying was to work up issues and present for discussion amongst the wider group
Bill Kasdorf: what I was implying was to work up issues and present for discussion amongst the wider group ←
16:37:29 <walkley> Jean: ivan's point came up with overlap between MathML and accessibility. Put everything on list but be clear about topic.
Jean Kaplansky: ivan's point came up with overlap between MathML and accessibility. Put everything on list but be clear about topic. ←
16:38:21 <walkley> mgylling: Could we try this? At least one week in advance, task force would be told they would be up to report and open up for discussion.
Markus Gylling: Could we try this? At least one week in advance, task force would be told they would be up to report and open up for discussion. ←
16:39:01 <ivan> Let us use: [latinreq] [pdom] [metadata] [adaption] [annotation] [stem] [security] [a11y] [bridge] as mail prefixes
Ivan Herman: Let us use: [latinreq] [pdom] [metadata] [adaption] [annotation] [stem] [security] [a11y] [bridge] as mail prefixes ←
16:39:01 <walkley> …I am interested in trying this. Need to get more discussions started.
…I am interested in trying this. Need to get more discussions started. ←
16:39:12 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
16:39:13 <TomDN> +1
Tom De Nies: +1 ←
16:39:15 <walkley> +1
+1 ←
16:39:15 <tzviya> +1
Tzviya Siegman: +1 ←
16:39:18 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1
Bill Kasdorf: +1 ←
16:39:29 <walkley> mgylling: Great, let's do so.
Markus Gylling: Great, let's do so. ←
16:39:31 <tmichel> +1
Thierry Michel: +1 ←
16:39:32 <Suzanne> +1
Suzanne Taylor: +1 ←
16:39:37 <walkley> …who wants to take first slot next week?
…who wants to take first slot next week? ←
16:39:50 <ivan> RESOLVED: At least one week in advance, task force would be told they would be up to report and open up for discussion
RESOLVED: At least one week in advance, task force would be told they would be up to report and open up for discussion ←
16:40:13 <walkley> …Suggest tzviya and JeanK: if you are interested we could start with you? Okay?
…Suggest tzviya and JeanK: if you are interested we could start with you? Okay? ←
16:40:29 <Zakim> -JeanK
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16:40:39 <walkley> tzviya: Can't do next week.
Tzviya Siegman: Can't do next week. ←
16:40:56 <JeanK> sorry... phone just dropped call...
Jean Kaplansky: sorry... phone just dropped call... ←
16:41:07 <walkley> mgylling: Suzanne and gcapiel?
Markus Gylling: Suzanne and gcapiel? ←
16:41:19 <Zakim> -laudrain
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16:41:24 <JeanK> I can do an update on the state of our existing STEM use cases next week, and tell people the direction we are headed in, but not much more.
Jean Kaplansky: I can do an update on the state of our existing STEM use cases next week, and tell people the direction we are headed in, but not much more. ←
16:41:35 <walkley> gcapiel: Could have people review the use cases that are out there.
Gerardo Capiel: Could have people review the use cases that are out there. ←
16:41:51 <walkley> Suzanne: lots of people have ideas for use cases but haven't added yet, useful to capture these.
Suzanne Taylor: lots of people have ideas for use cases but haven't added yet, useful to capture these. ←
16:41:53 <Zakim> +JeanK
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16:42:24 <walkley> mgylling: also have Laura… Laura and Mark interested in semantics
Markus Gylling: also have Laura… Laura and Mark interested in semantics ←
16:42:52 <walkley> Suzanne: once we get use cases, would like to recruit subject-specific folks, but good to get scope established first.
Suzanne Taylor: once we get use cases, would like to recruit subject-specific folks, but good to get scope established first. ←
16:43:06 <walkley> resolved: do accessibility next week
RESOLVED: do accessibility next week ←
16:43:23 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:43:23 <walkley> mgylling: We'll try a couple of calls on this format and then review.
Markus Gylling: We'll try a couple of calls on this format and then review. ←
16:43:37 <walkley> mgylling: AOB?
Markus Gylling: AOB? ←
16:43:43 <mgylling> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Nov/0088.html
Markus Gylling: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2013Nov/0088.html ←
16:43:50 <ivan> Topic: request from CSS WG
16:43:55 <walkley> …Request from CSS working group to review CSS shapes
…Request from CSS working group to review CSS shapes ←
16:44:08 <walkley> …Reviewed CSS text a couple of weeks ago
…Reviewed CSS text a couple of weeks ago ←
16:44:27 <walkley> …deadline for comment Jan 7th. Any volunteers to take an action to review?
…deadline for comment Jan 7th. Any volunteers to take an action to review? ←
16:44:32 <astearns> q+
Alan Stearns: q+ ←
16:44:53 <walkley> …would need to be done by Jan 6th 2014.
…would need to be done by Jan 6th 2014. ←
16:44:57 <mgylling> ack astearns
Markus Gylling: ack astearns ←
16:45:21 <walkley> astearns: a bit of background for anyone not familiar, start of css feature that allows one to specify non-rectangular shapes.
Alan Stearns: a bit of background for anyone not familiar, start of css feature that allows one to specify non-rectangular shapes. ←
16:45:38 <walkley> …allows float around non-rectangular objects.
…allows float around non-rectangular objects. ←
16:46:00 <walkley> …useful for comments from someone familiar with content wrapping outside web platform
…useful for comments from someone familiar with content wrapping outside web platform ←
16:46:04 <walkley> mgylling: any takers?
Markus Gylling: any takers? ←
16:46:30 <walkley> …have to take that as a no. Will repeat request for review on mailing list.
…have to take that as a no. Will repeat request for review on mailing list. ←
16:46:37 <Zakim> +plinss
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16:46:46 <walkley> …AOB?
…AOB? ←
16:47:13 <walkley> Suzanne: just wanted to make sure that anyone who wants to be involved in accessibility task force, let her know or put name on wiki.
Suzanne Taylor: just wanted to make sure that anyone who wants to be involved in accessibility task force, let her know or put name on wiki. ←
16:47:31 <walkley> mgylling: Please repeat that on list as well.
Markus Gylling: Please repeat that on list as well. ←
16:47:36 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Accessibility A11y TF Wiki page
Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Accessibility A11y TF Wiki page ←
16:47:44 <walkley> …I think we're done. Thank you all.
…I think we're done. Thank you all. ←
16:47:44 <Suzanne> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Accessibility
Suzanne Taylor: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Accessibility ←
16:47:48 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute me
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16:47:48 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted
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16:47:58 <Zakim> -gcapiel
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16:47:59 <Zakim> -fjh
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16:48:02 <Zakim> -JeanK
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16:48:04 <Zakim> -plinss
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16:48:20 <Zakim> -Bert
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16:48:43 <Zakim> -walkley
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16:48:55 <mgylling> zakim, who is here?
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16:48:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, mgylling, Suzanne_Taylor, tmichel
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16:48:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see tmichel, Bert, Sharad, fjh, mgylling, Zakim, RRSAgent, walkley, Suzanne, ivan, dauwhe, astearns, liam, trackbot, plinss
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16:48:57 <Zakim> -Suzanne_Taylor
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16:55:45 <Suzanne> ivan - would you be able to share laura fowler's email with me? I want to write and see who from ETS might be planning to join the accessibility taskforce
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Suzanne Taylor: ivan - would you be able to share laura fowler's email with me? I want to write and see who from ETS might be planning to join the accessibility taskforce ←
16:56:02 <tmichel> tmichel I am here ...
Thierry Michel: tmichel I am here ... ←
17:02:13 <Suzanne> thx much!
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Suzanne Taylor: thx much! ←
17:02:25 <Zakim> -mgylling
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17:04:13 <Zakim> -Ivan
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17:04:19 <ivan> suzanne: lfowler@ets.org
Suzanne Taylor: lfowler@ets.org [ Scribe Assist by Ivan Herman ] ←
17:04:43 <Suzanne> thx
Suzanne Taylor: thx ←
17:04:43 <tmichel> rrsagent, draft minutes
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17:04:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/12/02-dpub-minutes.html tmichel
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17:09:14 <Zakim> Attendees were walkley, +1.917.207.aaaa, dauwhe, Ivan, +1.206.675.aabb, astearns, mgylling, +1.518.669.aacc, +329331aadd, +33.6.48.38.aaee, TomDN, JeanK, laudrain, fjh,
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