None.
<sandro> Guest: Karen Myers
<sandro> Guest: Robert (azaroth) Sanderson
<sandro> Guest: Tyng-Ruey (trc) Chuang
<sandro> Guest: Jean Kaplansky
<sandro> Guest: Seth SL
<sandro> Guest: Hajar Ghaem Sigarchian
13:58:07 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-dpub-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-dpub-irc ←
13:58:09 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 61
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs 61 ←
13:58:11 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub_ig
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be dpub_ig ←
13:58:11 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot ←
13:58:12 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
13:58:12 <trackbot> Date: 06 August 2013
13:58:58 <ivan> zakim, this will be digpub
Ivan Herman: zakim, this will be digpub ←
13:58:58 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, ivan ←
14:01:18 <ivan> zakim, this will be dpub
Ivan Herman: zakim, this will be dpub ←
14:01:18 <Zakim> ok, ivan; I see SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 59 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; I see SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 59 minutes ←
14:04:00 <ivan> RRSagent, set log public
Ivan Herman: RRSagent, set log public ←
14:32:14 <azaroth> Good morning all :)
(No events recorded for 28 minutes)
Robert Sanderson: Good morning all :) ←
14:32:46 <azaroth> Call is in 30 minutes, yes?
Robert Sanderson: Call is in 30 minutes, yes? ←
14:35:18 <liam> welcome, azaroth
14:36:40 <azaroth> Thanks Liam!
Robert Sanderson: Thanks Liam! ←
14:56:32 <madi> Hello!
(No events recorded for 19 minutes)
Madi Solomon: Hello! ←
14:57:06 <mgylling> madi, hi
Markus Gylling: madi, hi ←
14:57:40 <Zakim> SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has now started ←
14:57:42 <Zakim> + +1.212.389.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.212.389.aaaa ←
14:57:59 <Zakim> - +1.212.389.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.212.389.aaaa ←
14:58:01 <Zakim> SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has ended ←
14:58:01 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.212.389.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.212.389.aaaa ←
14:58:14 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
14:58:14 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
14:58:15 <Zakim> SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has now started ←
14:58:16 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
14:58:47 <Zakim> +mgylling
Zakim IRC Bot: +mgylling ←
14:58:51 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
14:58:52 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
14:58:59 <Zakim> + +1.505.665.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.505.665.aaaa ←
14:59:26 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is azaroth
Ivan Herman: zakim, aaaa is azaroth ←
14:59:27 <Zakim> +azaroth; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +azaroth; got it ←
15:00:32 <madi> must change phones. Can't use Skype to dial in, no credit. Odd.
Madi Solomon: must change phones. Can't use Skype to dial in, no credit. Odd. ←
15:00:33 <Zakim> + +88626614aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +88626614aabb ←
15:01:11 <Zakim> +Bert
Zakim IRC Bot: +Bert ←
15:01:14 <Zakim> + +1.212.389.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.212.389.aacc ←
15:01:18 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:01:20 <Zakim> + +329331aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +329331aadd ←
15:01:28 <karen_> zakim, IPcaller is Karen
Karen Myers: zakim, IPcaller is Karen ←
15:01:28 <Zakim> +Karen; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen; got it ←
15:01:31 <Zakim> +plinss
Zakim IRC Bot: +plinss ←
15:01:34 <TomDN> Zakim, +32 is me
Tom De Nies: Zakim, +32 is me ←
15:01:34 <Zakim> +TomDN; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +TomDN; got it ←
15:01:37 <karen_> Chair: Markus Gylling
15:01:39 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me
Tom De Nies: Zakim, mute me ←
15:01:39 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted ←
15:01:41 <karen_> Scribe: Karen
(Scribe set to Karen Myers)
15:01:56 <trc> Hi, this is Tyng-Ruey Chuang. Nick trc.
Tyng-Ruey Chuang: Hi, this is Tyng-Ruey Chuang. Nick trc. ←
15:02:03 <TomDN> Zakim, Hajar is with TomDN
Tom De Nies: Zakim, Hajar is with TomDN ←
15:02:04 <Zakim> +Hajar; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Hajar; got it ←
15:02:04 <Zakim> +??P25
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25 ←
15:02:05 <Zakim> +Madi
Zakim IRC Bot: +Madi ←
15:02:08 <ivan> zakim, aabb is trc
Ivan Herman: zakim, aabb is trc ←
15:02:08 <Zakim> +trc; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +trc; got it ←
15:02:16 <TomDN> Zakim, mielvds is with TomDN
Tom De Nies: Zakim, mielvds is with TomDN ←
15:02:16 <Zakim> +mielvds; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +mielvds; got it ←
15:02:20 <tmichel> zakim, ??P25 is me
Thierry Michel: zakim, ??P25 is me ←
15:02:20 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +tmichel; got it ←
15:02:24 <Zakim> +George_Kerscher
Zakim IRC Bot: +George_Kerscher ←
15:02:29 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
15:02:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, mgylling, azaroth, trc, Bert, +1.212.389.aacc, Karen, TomDN (muted), plinss, tmichel, Madi, George_Kerscher
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ivan, mgylling, azaroth, trc, Bert, +1.212.389.aacc, Karen, TomDN (muted), plinss, tmichel, Madi, George_Kerscher ←
15:02:32 <Zakim> TomDN has TomDN, Hajar, mielvds
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN has TomDN, Hajar, mielvds ←
15:02:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see Hajar, mielvds, tmichel, Bert, TomDN, karen_, fjh, madi, mgylling, trc, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, liam, ivan, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Hajar, mielvds, tmichel, Bert, TomDN, karen_, fjh, madi, mgylling, trc, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, liam, ivan, trackbot, sandro ←
15:03:26 <Zakim> + +1.503.456.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.503.456.aaee ←
15:03:40 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
Frederick Hirsch: Present+ Frederick_Hirsch ←
15:04:25 <karen_> zakim, 1.212.389.aacc is Seth Seigel-Laddy
zakim, 1.212.389.aacc is Seth Seigel-Laddy ←
15:04:25 <Zakim> I don't understand '1.212.389.aacc is Seth Seigel-Laddy', karen_
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '1.212.389.aacc is Seth Seigel-Laddy', karen_ ←
15:04:35 <Zakim> + +1.518.581.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.581.aaff ←
15:04:39 <ivan> zakim, aaccc is SethSL
Ivan Herman: zakim, aaccc is SethSL ←
15:04:39 <Zakim> sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'aaccc'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'aaccc' ←
15:04:46 <mgylling> Zakim, aacc is SethSL
Markus Gylling: Zakim, aacc is SethSL ←
15:04:46 <Zakim> +SethSL; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SethSL; got it ←
15:04:48 <SethSL> 212.389 is me... SethSL = Seth Seigel-Laddy
Seth SL: 212.389 is me... SethSL = Seth Seigel-Laddy ←
15:05:02 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
15:05:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, mgylling, azaroth, trc, Bert, SethSL, Karen, TomDN (muted), plinss, tmichel, Madi, George_Kerscher, +1.503.456.aaee, +1.518.581.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ivan, mgylling, azaroth, trc, Bert, SethSL, Karen, TomDN (muted), plinss, tmichel, Madi, George_Kerscher, +1.503.456.aaee, +1.518.581.aaff ←
15:05:05 <Zakim> TomDN has TomDN, Hajar, mielvds
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN has TomDN, Hajar, mielvds ←
15:05:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sharad, SethSL, plinss, Hajar, mielvds, tmichel, Bert, TomDN, karen_, fjh, madi, mgylling, trc, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, liam, ivan, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Sharad, SethSL, plinss, Hajar, mielvds, tmichel, Bert, TomDN, karen_, fjh, madi, mgylling, trc, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, liam, ivan, trackbot, sandro ←
15:05:39 <mgylling> Zakim, aaff is Jean Kaplansky
Markus Gylling: Zakim, aaff is Jean Kaplansky ←
15:05:39 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaff is Jean Kaplansky', mgylling
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'aaff is Jean Kaplansky', mgylling ←
15:06:17 <ivan> zakim, aaee is Sharad
Ivan Herman: zakim, aaee is Sharad ←
15:06:17 <Zakim> +Sharad; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sharad; got it ←
15:06:56 <mgylling> zakim, aaff is JeanKaplansky
Markus Gylling: zakim, aaff is JeanKaplansky ←
15:06:56 <Zakim> +JeanKaplansky; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JeanKaplansky; got it ←
15:07:20 <karen_> Ivan: handing chair back to Markus
Ivan Herman: handing chair back to Markus ←
15:07:22 <ivan> zakim, who is noisy?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is noisy? ←
15:07:22 <mgylling> zakim, who is noisy?
Markus Gylling: zakim, who is noisy? ←
15:07:32 <Zakim> ivan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mgylling (35%), Ivan (29%)
Zakim IRC Bot: ivan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mgylling (35%), Ivan (29%) ←
15:07:43 <Zakim> mgylling, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mgylling (34%), trc (4%), Bert (6%), Ivan (36%)
Zakim IRC Bot: mgylling, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mgylling (34%), trc (4%), Bert (6%), Ivan (36%) ←
15:07:59 <karen_> Markus: Welcome everybody to the first get together of this interest group
Markus Gylling: Welcome everybody to the first get together of this interest group ←
15:08:08 <karen_> ...Yesterday I sent out the agenda
...Yesterday I sent out the agenda ←
15:08:13 <karen_> ...Today is a lot about logistics
...Today is a lot about logistics ←
15:08:20 <karen_> ...Great to see a good number already
...Great to see a good number already ←
15:08:34 <karen_> ...We will be talking later, both chairs and W3C staff
...We will be talking later, both chairs and W3C staff ←
15:08:43 <karen_> ...to encourage members to show up over the next months
...to encourage members to show up over the next months ←
15:08:55 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
15:08:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, mgylling, azaroth, trc, Bert, SethSL, Karen, TomDN (muted), plinss, tmichel, Madi, George_Kerscher, Sharad, JeanKaplansky
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ivan, mgylling, azaroth, trc, Bert, SethSL, Karen, TomDN (muted), plinss, tmichel, Madi, George_Kerscher, Sharad, JeanKaplansky ←
15:08:55 <karen_> ...Today we thought we would go around the table to introduce ourselves briefly
...Today we thought we would go around the table to introduce ourselves briefly ←
15:08:57 <Zakim> TomDN has TomDN, Hajar, mielvds
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN has TomDN, Hajar, mielvds ←
15:08:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sharad, SethSL, plinss, Hajar, mielvds, tmichel, Bert, TomDN, karen_, fjh, madi, mgylling, trc, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, liam, ivan, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Sharad, SethSL, plinss, Hajar, mielvds, tmichel, Bert, TomDN, karen_, fjh, madi, mgylling, trc, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, liam, ivan, trackbot, sandro ←
15:09:02 <karen_> ...We will also go through the charter
...We will also go through the charter ←
15:09:11 <karen_> ...for clarities, what charter is asking us to do by when
...for clarities, what charter is asking us to do by when ←
15:09:18 <karen_> ...So we don't discuss scope later on
...So we don't discuss scope later on ←
15:09:23 <karen_> ...it should be clear from the start
...it should be clear from the start ←
15:09:40 <karen_> ...We'll talk about telcos and which face-to-face meetings
...We'll talk about telcos and which face-to-face meetings ←
15:09:44 <karen_> ...Also talk about group extensions
...Also talk about group extensions ←
15:09:49 <karen_> ...and talk about the work methodology
...and talk about the work methodology ←
15:10:05 <karen_> ...where we see ourselves starting and going about the work in the initial part of the chart
...where we see ourselves starting and going about the work in the initial part of the chart ←
15:10:15 <karen_> ...Does anyone have any additional agenda items to add?
...Does anyone have any additional agenda items to add? ←
15:10:19 <karen_> ...Ok, introductions
...Ok, introductions ←
15:10:20 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:10:31 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] lis me
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, [IPcaller] lis me ←
15:10:31 <Zakim> I don't understand '[IPcaller] lis me', fjh
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '[IPcaller] lis me', fjh ←
15:10:35 <karen_> ...My suggestion is that we do introductions in alphabetical order as seen on irc
...My suggestion is that we do introductions in alphabetical order as seen on irc ←
15:10:42 <ivan> zakim, IPcaller is fjh
Ivan Herman: zakim, IPcaller is fjh ←
15:10:42 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +fjh; got it ←
15:10:46 <karen_> Frederick Hirsch: sorry to be late
Frederick Hirsch: sorry to be late ←
15:10:50 <karen_> Markus: Ok
Markus Gylling: Ok ←
15:10:51 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, [IPcaller] is me ←
15:10:51 <Zakim> sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]' ←
15:10:55 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
Frederick Hirsch: zakim, who is here? ←
15:10:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, mgylling, azaroth, trc, Bert, SethSL, Karen, TomDN (muted), plinss, tmichel, Madi, George_Kerscher, Sharad, JeanKaplansky, fjh
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ivan, mgylling, azaroth, trc, Bert, SethSL, Karen, TomDN (muted), plinss, tmichel, Madi, George_Kerscher, Sharad, JeanKaplansky, fjh ←
15:10:59 <Zakim> TomDN has TomDN, Hajar, mielvds
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN has TomDN, Hajar, mielvds ←
15:10:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sharad, SethSL, plinss, Hajar, mielvds, tmichel, Bert, TomDN, karen_, fjh, madi, mgylling, trc, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, liam, ivan, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Sharad, SethSL, plinss, Hajar, mielvds, tmichel, Bert, TomDN, karen_, fjh, madi, mgylling, trc, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, liam, ivan, trackbot, sandro ←
15:11:10 <karen_> Rob @ at Los Alamos National Lab
Rob @ at Los Alamos National Lab ←
15:11:32 <karen_> Azaroth: interest in W3C community group; interest in annotations in epub; also attended February workshop
Robert Sanderson: interest in W3C community group; interest in annotations in epub; also attended February workshop ←
15:11:44 <karen_> ...very much look forward to working with the group and feel that annotation has a role to play
...very much look forward to working with the group and feel that annotation has a role to play ←
15:11:50 <karen_> ...for web and for digital publishing arena
...for web and for digital publishing arena ←
15:11:54 <karen_> Markus: next is Bert
Markus Gylling: next is Bert ←
15:12:08 <karen_> Bert Bos, W3C: sorry, muted
Bert Bos, W3C: sorry, muted ←
15:12:18 <karen_> ...I have two roles and why I am here
...I have two roles and why I am here ←
15:12:25 <karen_> ...one is staff contact for MathML
...one is staff contact for MathML ←
15:12:33 <karen_> ...standards that are useful for publishing
...standards that are useful for publishing ←
15:12:42 <karen_> ...other role is staff contact for CSS Working Group
...other role is staff contact for CSS Working Group ←
15:12:53 <karen_> ...assume there will be requirements coming out of this group to pass along to CSS WG
...assume there will be requirements coming out of this group to pass along to CSS WG ←
15:13:02 <karen_> Markus: FJH
Markus Gylling: FJH ←
15:13:09 <karen_> Frederick Hirsch: I work for Nokia
Frederick Hirsch: I work for Nokia ←
15:13:17 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute me
Tom De Nies: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:13:17 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should no longer be muted ←
15:13:20 <karen_> ...on Open Web Platform; interested in how publishing will evolve
...on Open Web Platform; interested in how publishing will evolve ←
15:13:27 <karen_> Hajar: I work in @
Hajar Sigarchian: I work in @ ←
15:13:34 <karen_> ...in digital publishing project
...in digital publishing project ←
15:13:42 <fjh> I chair the W3C Device APIs wg, interested ePub3 as well
Frederick Hirsch: I also chair the W3C Device APIs wg, interested ePub3 as well ←
15:13:52 <fjh> also chair W3C XML Security WG
Frederick Hirsch: also chair W3C XML Security WG ←
15:14:01 <karen_> Ivan Herman: Also at W3C, Activity Lead for Digital Publishing and one of staff contacts for this Interest Group
Ivan Herman: Also at W3C, Activity Lead for Digital Publishing and one of staff contacts for this Interest Group ←
15:14:45 <fjh> s/I chair/I also chair/
15:14:58 <azaroth> Do we have a backup scribe for karen_?
Robert Sanderson: Do we have a backup scribe for karen_? ←
15:15:06 <karen_> Karen Myers: also with W3C, doing member relations and outreach, organizing digital publishing events for this activity
Karen Myers: also with W3C, doing member relations and outreach, organizing digital publishing events for this activity ←
15:15:22 <karen_> ...scribing today, but not so much going forward as I will not do the technical work
...scribing today, but not so much going forward as I will not do the technical work ←
15:15:35 <karen_> Madi Solomon: I am co-chair with Markus of this Interest Group
Madi Solomon: I am co-chair with Markus of this Interest Group ←
15:15:40 <karen_> ...based in London with Pearson
...based in London with Pearson ←
15:15:48 <karen_> ...also co-chair of @ Community Group
...also co-chair of @ Community Group ←
15:15:53 <karen_> ...jumping in with both fee
...jumping in with both fee ←
15:15:56 <karen_> s/feet
s/feet ←
15:16:06 <karen_> Markus: Working with Daisy Consortium with George for some time
Markus Gylling: Working with Daisy Consortium with George for some time ←
15:16:12 <karen_> ...main focus has been accessibility
...main focus has been accessibility ←
15:16:16 <karen_> ...also working with IDPF
...also working with IDPF ←
15:16:24 <karen_> ...doing the ePub3 specifications
...doing the ePub3 specifications ←
15:16:55 <karen_> Mie: I work with semantic web technologies; interest in how this can help digital publishing
Miel Vander Sande: I work with semantic web technologies; interest in how this can help digital publishing ←
15:17:13 <ivan> s/Mie/Miel/
15:17:17 <karen_> Peter Linss: I work for HP; co-chair of CSS; also co-chairing upcoming dig pub workshop on workflow in Paris
Peter Linss: I work for HP; co-chair of CSS; also co-chairing upcoming dig pub workshop on workflow in Paris ←
15:17:28 <karen_> Seth Seigel-Laddy: VP and digital services at Scholastic
Seth Seigel-Laddy: VP and digital services at Scholastic ←
15:17:34 <karen_> ...which is transitioning to epub3
...which is transitioning to epub3 ←
15:17:39 <karen_> ...interested in fixed formats
...interested in fixed formats ←
15:17:51 <karen_> ...seeing transitions in schools...particularly in speech
...seeing transitions in schools...particularly in speech ←
15:18:02 <karen_> Sharad: from Intel Corp.
Sharad Garg: from Intel Corp. ←
15:18:05 <karen_> ...manager of @
...manager of Intel Education ←
15:18:12 <karen_> ...worked at W3C web services
...worked at W3C web services ←
15:18:17 <karen_> ...was editor for their requirements doc
...was editor for their requirements doc ←
15:18:32 <karen_> ...I am interested in digital publshing formats, particularly epub security
...I am interested in digital publshing formats, particularly epub security ←
15:18:37 <mgylling> s/@/Intel Education/
15:18:41 <karen_> Thierry Michel: I am the other W3C staff contact
Thierry Michel: I am the other W3C staff contact ←
15:18:46 <karen_> ...based in France
...based in France ←
15:18:55 <karen_> ...joined from the beginning and organized workshop
...joined from the beginning and organized workshop ←
15:19:05 <karen_> ...helping you guys to run this group, so please do not hesitate to contact me
...helping you guys to run this group, so please do not hesitate to contact me ←
15:19:15 <karen_> Tom Denise: I work at iMinds University
Tom De Nies: I work at iMinds - Ghent University ←
15:19:29 <karen_> ...project we're doing I'm focused on Semantic Web, metadata and provenance
...project we're doing I'm focused on Semantic Web, metadata and provenance ←
15:19:34 <karen_> ...also member of Provenance WG
...also member of Provenance WG ←
15:19:40 <karen_> ...interested in what we are going to do here
...interested in what we are going to do here ←
15:19:44 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me
Tom De Nies: Zakim, mute me ←
15:19:44 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TomDN should now be muted ←
15:19:52 <karen_> TRC: Academica Sinica
Tyng-Ruey Chuang: Academica Sinica ←
15:19:55 <Bert> s/Denise/De Nies/
15:20:00 <karen_> ...mostly working on @
...mostly working on @ ←
15:20:18 <karen_> Jeanne Kaplansky, Aptara: solutions architect
Jeanne Kaplansky, Aptara: solutions architect ←
15:20:18 <TomDN> s/iMinds University/iMinds - Ghent University
15:20:23 <karen_> ...we have interest in W3C standards
...we have interest in W3C standards ←
15:20:29 <karen_> ...been following since early '90s
...been following since early '90s ←
15:20:33 <ivan> s/TRC/Tyng-Ruey Chuang/
15:20:34 <karen_> ...sit on indexing group for IDPF
...sit on indexing group for IDPF ←
15:20:38 <karen_> ...also interested in MathML
...also interested in MathML ←
15:20:46 <karen_> ...talking about more support for MathML
...talking about more support for MathML ←
15:20:48 <ivan> s/Denise/De Nies/
15:20:55 <karen_> ...company has great interest in web standards
...company has great interest in web standards ←
15:20:58 <karen_> ...and web projects
...and web projects ←
15:21:18 <karen_> George Kirscher: with Daisy Consortium
George Kerscher: with Daisy Consortium ←
15:21:23 <karen_> ...we're super interested in ePub3
...we're super interested in ePub3 ←
15:21:41 <karen_> ...Daisy Consortium has endorsed ePub3 and we are moving into that domain as systems an authoring tools come into that domain
...Daisy Consortium has endorsed ePub3 and we are moving into that domain as systems an authoring tools come into that domain ←
15:21:48 <Bert> s/Kirscher/Kerscher/
15:21:57 <karen_> ...hoping in future Daisy Consortium materials will be coming into epub
...hoping in future Daisy Consortium materials will be coming into epub ←
15:22:09 <karen_> ...moving disability needs into mainstream is goal of ours
...moving disability needs into mainstream is goal of ours ←
15:22:18 <karen_> ...we have been members of W3C for many years
...we have been members of W3C for many years ←
15:22:36 <karen_> ...and serve as part of stearing council for Web Accessibility Initiative
...and serve as part of stearing council for Web Accessibility Initiative ←
15:22:43 <karen_> Markus: anyone who did not introduce themselves?
Markus Gylling: anyone who did not introduce themselves? ←
15:23:08 <karen_> ...next on agenda is to look at the charter
...next on agenda is to look at the charter ←
15:23:19 <karen_> ...if there are questions or remarks, suggest we do that now
...if there are questions or remarks, suggest we do that now ←
15:23:36 <karen_> ...since you joined group, hope you have read the charter
...since you joined group, hope you have read the charter ←
15:23:43 <karen_> ...in enough detail to understand what the intent is
...in enough detail to understand what the intent is ←
15:23:52 <karen_> ...it's nice in its compactness
...it's nice in its compactness ←
15:23:57 <karen_> ...seems pretty clear to me
...seems pretty clear to me ←
15:24:08 <karen_> ...But will repeat what is obvious
...But will repeat what is obvious ←
15:24:09 <tmichel> Digital Publishing Interest Group Charter
Thierry Michel: Digital Publishing Interest Group Charter ←
15:24:10 <tmichel> http://www.w3.org/2013/02/digpubig.html
Thierry Michel: http://www.w3.org/2013/02/digpubig.html ←
15:24:18 <karen_> ...it's not a group to create specifications
...it's not a group to create specifications ←
15:24:22 <karen_> ...but to identify problems
...but to identify problems ←
15:24:26 <karen_> ...this as many of you know
...this as many of you know ←
15:24:35 <karen_> ...is a very difficult thing to do with technical people in group
...is a very difficult thing to do with technical people in group ←
15:24:46 <karen_> ...who want to go into technical design space
...who want to go into technical design space ←
15:24:56 <karen_> ...Madi and I will push hard so we do not design solutions here
...Madi and I will push hard so we do not design solutions here ←
15:25:05 <karen_> ...but that said, Ivan, Thierry and Karen correct me if wrong
...but that said, Ivan, Thierry and Karen correct me if wrong ←
15:25:17 <karen_> ...Looks like one easy way to summarize is that it takes major steps
...Looks like one easy way to summarize is that it takes major steps ←
15:25:24 <karen_> ...First is the collection of use cases and requirements
...First is the collection of use cases and requirements ←
15:25:39 <karen_> ...describing all the things that the publishing industry wants to do with the OWP but cannot do yet
...describing all the things that the publishing industry wants to do with the OWP but cannot do yet ←
15:25:44 <karen_> ...describe the issues and the features
...describe the issues and the features ←
15:25:55 <karen_> ...The second step of course is once that opus matures
...The second step of course is once that opus matures ←
15:26:06 <karen_> ...is to start an outreach to the relevant W3C Working Groups
...is to start an outreach to the relevant W3C Working Groups ←
15:26:13 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
15:26:16 <karen_> ...and discuss and have an impact about how to address these features
...and discuss and have an impact about how to address these features ←
15:26:21 <karen_> ...Ivan, Thierry, would you agree?
...Ivan, Thierry, would you agree? ←
15:26:28 <karen_> ...overly simplistic or did I miss it?
...overly simplistic or did I miss it? ←
15:26:37 <karen_> Thierry: I think you summarized excellently the scope and deliverables
Thierry Michel: I think you summarized excellently the scope and deliverables ←
15:26:39 <karen_> ack Ivan
ack Ivan ←
15:26:46 <karen_> Ivan: I actually do have something to say
Ivan Herman: I actually do have something to say ←
15:26:53 <karen_> ...one is what you said is absolutely true
...one is what you said is absolutely true ←
15:27:00 <karen_> ...the reality we have to prepare ourselves with
...the reality we have to prepare ourselves with ←
15:27:07 <karen_> ...is that if we go to one or more of the Working Groups
...is that if we go to one or more of the Working Groups ←
15:27:17 <karen_> ...and we have chairs or staff contacts who may react on this
...and we have chairs or staff contacts who may react on this ←
15:27:29 <karen_> ...You may hear, that is all nice, but we don't have enough people to put it through properly
...You may hear, that is all nice, but we don't have enough people to put it through properly ←
15:27:38 <karen_> ...We can do that only if you are prepared to do the work
...We can do that only if you are prepared to do the work ←
15:27:44 <karen_> ...So in practice what that means
...So in practice what that means ←
15:28:09 <karen_> ...is that either you or a colleague joins a specific group, say CSS, and pushes that item through to completion in the WG
...is that either you or a colleague joins a specific group, say CSS, and pushes that item through to completion in the WG ←
15:28:11 <fjh> +1
Frederick Hirsch: +1 ←
15:28:16 <karen_> ...I know Peter is here, Bert...
...I know Peter is here, Bert... ←
15:28:21 <azaroth> q+
Robert Sanderson: q+ ←
15:28:23 <karen_> ...this is a realistic expectation, yes?
...this is a realistic expectation, yes? ←
15:28:27 <karen_> Peter: yes, of course
Peter Linss: yes, of course ←
15:28:28 <Bert> +1
15:28:30 <karen_> Ivan: so this is one thing
Ivan Herman: so this is one thing ←
15:28:35 <karen_> ...the other thing that is in the charter
...the other thing that is in the charter ←
15:28:45 <karen_> ...it's important, in some sense direction
...it's important, in some sense direction ←
15:28:52 <karen_> ...feedback we got from the publishing industry
...feedback we got from the publishing industry ←
15:29:03 <karen_> ...is that it is very difficult to find your way through the maze of W3C recommendations
...is that it is very difficult to find your way through the maze of W3C recommendations ←
15:29:15 <karen_> ...and to find out which ones are relevant to digital publishing industry
...and to find out which ones are relevant to digital publishing industry ←
15:29:31 <karen_> ...so we should produce a prioritized list of W3C specifications that the digital publishing industry should know about
...so we should produce a prioritized list of W3C specifications that the digital publishing industry should know about ←
15:29:38 <karen_> ...that is a parallel work that is also important
...that is a parallel work that is also important ←
15:29:56 <karen_> ...Third one again, we got a lot of feedback from industry that interoperability of ebook readers is a problem
...Third one again, we got a lot of feedback from industry that interoperability of ebook readers is a problem ←
15:30:01 <karen_> ...even if they rely on Webkit
...even if they rely on Webkit ←
15:30:15 <karen_> ...to improve that, this community should also be in position to add test cases to overall work on testing
...to improve that, this community should also be in position to add test cases to overall work on testing ←
15:30:20 <karen_> ...being done at W3C right now
...being done at W3C right now ←
15:30:24 <karen_> ...So that of course
...So that of course ←
15:30:45 <Zakim> -Karen
Zakim IRC Bot: -Karen ←
15:31:19 <Bert> mgylling: See sect 2 in cgharter with deliverables.
Markus Gylling: See sect 2 in cgharter with deliverables. [ Scribe Assist by Bert Bos ] ←
15:31:34 <Bert> ... Develop reqs.
15:31:53 <fjh> Ivan: hard to find way through maze of w3c specs to find what is relevant, - need to produce list of w3c specs digitial publishing industry needs to know about, additional deliverable
Ivan Herman: hard to find way through maze of w3c specs to find what is relevant, - need to produce list of w3c specs digitial publishing industry needs to know about, additional deliverable [ Scribe Assist by Frederick Hirsch ] ←
15:31:53 <Bert> ... with help from W3C [noise] specifications involved.
Bert Bos: ... with help from W3C [noise] specifications involved. ←
15:31:53 <fjh> Ivan: interoperability of ebook readers is a problem, even if rely on webkit etc ; community needs to be able to add test cases to test cases being developed at w3c, another deliverable
Ivan Herman: interoperability of ebook readers is a problem, even if rely on webkit etc ; community needs to be able to add test cases to test cases being developed at w3c, another deliverable [ Scribe Assist by Frederick Hirsch ] ←
15:32:02 <ivan> ack azaroth
Ivan Herman: ack azaroth ←
15:32:09 <ivan> scribe ivan:
Ivan Herman: scribe ivan: ←
15:32:15 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers
Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen_Myers ←
15:32:27 <ivan> azaroth: the open annotation is on a community group
Robert Sanderson: the open annotation is on a community group [ Scribe Assist by Ivan Herman ] ←
15:32:38 <ivan> … does that have an impact
Ivan Herman: … does that have an impact ←
15:33:05 <ivan> scribe: kmyers
15:33:09 <kmyers> @: question is
@: question is ←
15:33:29 <kmyers> ...is there an impact on the community group to be beneficial to the IG
...is there an impact on the community group to be beneficial to the IG ←
15:33:36 <kmyers> ...should we be forming a WG within time frame so that documents can be referenced
...should we be forming a WG within time frame so that documents can be referenced ←
15:33:46 <kmyers> Ivan: I would look at that in general framework of priority
Ivan Herman: I would look at that in general framework of priority ←
15:33:52 <kmyers> ...of what technologies come up
...of what technologies come up ←
15:34:05 <kmyers> ...Madi and Markus will have to set up and how annotation fits into this
...Madi and Markus will have to set up and how annotation fits into this ←
15:34:24 <kmyers> ...at the moment, I would not make a difference between certain issues being controlled by CG or IG
...at the moment, I would not make a difference between certain issues being controlled by CG or IG ←
15:34:29 <kmyers> ...or to the MathML group for example
...or to the MathML group for example ←
15:34:34 <kmyers> ...the way you handle it is different
...the way you handle it is different ←
15:34:45 <kmyers> ...different structure, but I think they should look at the issues the same way
...different structure, but I think they should look at the issues the same way ←
15:34:47 <azaroth> q-
Robert Sanderson: q- ←
15:34:52 <kmyers> ...does that answer:
...does that answer: ←
15:34:52 <kmyers> @: yes
@: yes ←
15:34:54 <ivan> acl waves
Ivan Herman: acl waves ←
15:34:56 <azaroth> q-
Robert Sanderson: q- ←
15:34:58 <kmyers> Markus: yes, I agree with that as well
Markus Gylling: yes, I agree with that as well ←
15:35:04 <ivan> ack waves
Ivan Herman: ack waves ←
15:35:05 <kmyers> ...I don't see why this group should offer differences
...I don't see why this group should offer differences ←
15:35:17 <kmyers> Markus: should not matter
Markus Gylling: should not matter ←
15:35:35 <kmyers> Ivan: connection comes and goes
Ivan Herman: connection comes and goes ←
15:35:39 <kmyers> Markus: Let's see...
Markus Gylling: Let's see... ←
15:35:58 <kmyers> ...only thing I wanted to ask about in the deliverables section is the contributions to the tesing efforts
...only thing I wanted to ask about in the deliverables section is the contributions to the tesing efforts ←
15:36:17 <kmyers> ...sounds like it is going to be difficult in some cases; maybe that is not an issue
...sounds like it is going to be difficult in some cases; maybe that is not an issue ←
15:36:21 <kmyers> ...let's say for example
...let's say for example ←
15:36:32 <kmyers> ...in describing what the digpub industry needs in pagination in CSS
...in describing what the digpub industry needs in pagination in CSS ←
15:36:44 <kmyers> ...primarily is use cases and functional requirements for pagination
...primarily is use cases and functional requirements for pagination ←
15:36:50 <kmyers> ...maybe stratified in feature set
...maybe stratified in feature set ←
15:37:01 <kmyers> ...but there will be an overall declarative use case that describes what is needed
...but there will be an overall declarative use case that describes what is needed ←
15:37:12 <kmyers> ...but no way to test for that because there is no syntax to use
...but no way to test for that because there is no syntax to use ←
15:37:24 <kmyers> ...I think this is going to be quite common
...I think this is going to be quite common ←
15:37:24 <kmyers> ...Just want to be clear
...Just want to be clear ←
15:37:33 <kmyers> ...that expecation is that we are not hard core test writers
...that expecation is that we are not hard core test writers ←
15:37:42 <kmyers> Ivan: yes, that is to be done as part of the work of the group
Ivan Herman: yes, that is to be done as part of the work of the group ←
15:37:51 <kmyers> ...the issue here that I had in mind is slightly different
...the issue here that I had in mind is slightly different ←
15:38:04 <kmyers> ...Let's forget about the case when there is a specification that has to be developed
...Let's forget about the case when there is a specification that has to be developed ←
15:38:11 <kmyers> ...and take case when specification that is already there
...and take case when specification that is already there ←
15:38:18 <kmyers> ...take CSS example on text declaration
...take CSS example on text declaration ←
15:38:38 <kmyers> ...which as I scan through has detailed specifications on underlines in other langages
...which as I scan through has detailed specifications on underlines in other langages ←
15:38:48 <kmyers> ...this has to be thoroughly tested
...this has to be thoroughly tested ←
15:38:53 <kmyers> ...more than others
...more than others ←
15:38:59 <kmyers> ...therefore there are some corner or special cases
...therefore there are some corner or special cases ←
15:39:12 <Bert> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/CR-css-text-decor-3-20130801/ CR of CSS Text Decoration
Bert Bos: -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/CR-css-text-decor-3-20130801/ CR of CSS Text Decoration ←
15:39:12 <kmyers> ...that this group knows more about how to test than the average browser manufacturers
...that this group knows more about how to test than the average browser manufacturers ←
15:39:27 <kmyers> ...so this group can produce additional test cases that the browser manufacturer may not care about
...so this group can produce additional test cases that the browser manufacturer may not care about ←
15:39:39 <kmyers> ...Bert and Peter, I am getting into your area, but hope what I am saying makes sense
...Bert and Peter, I am getting into your area, but hope what I am saying makes sense ←
15:39:44 <kmyers> Bert: yes, it does
15:40:05 <kmyers> Ivan: So group makes sure that the test environment is as thorough and exhaustive, taking care of specificities
Ivan Herman: So group makes sure that the test environment is as thorough and exhaustive, taking care of specificities ←
15:40:25 <kmyers> Markus: again, two major steps
Markus Gylling: again, two major steps ←
15:40:28 <kmyers> ...would happen during the later phase when we start engaging with the other Working Groups
...would happen during the later phase when we start engaging with the other Working Groups ←
15:40:35 <kmyers> ...we have 20 minutes left
...we have 20 minutes left ←
15:40:41 <kmyers> ...in terms of the charter, speeding up here
...in terms of the charter, speeding up here ←
15:40:47 <kmyers> ...you have seen the timelines
...you have seen the timelines ←
15:40:54 <kmyers> ...are there any questions or remarks? Is it clear?
...are there any questions or remarks? Is it clear? ←
15:41:05 <kmyers> ...Ok
...Ok ←
15:41:05 <kmyers> ...Let me ask you this
...Let me ask you this ←
15:41:19 <kmyers> ...Are there any questions or remarks on the charter as a whole that you would like to ask about?
...Are there any questions or remarks on the charter as a whole that you would like to ask about? ←
15:41:19 <kmyers> ...Moving on then
...Moving on then ←
15:41:26 <kmyers> ...Quickly about logistics
...Quickly about logistics ←
15:41:32 <kmyers> ...Karen is kindly taking minutes
...Karen is kindly taking minutes ←
15:41:49 <kmyers> ...but may be only meeting; in following meetings we will ask for volunteer scribes
...but may be only meeting; in following meetings we will ask for volunteer scribes ←
15:42:06 <kmyers> ...Madi and I would be grateful if you cannot scribe so we exclude you from the rotating scheme
...Madi and I would be grateful if you cannot scribe so we exclude you from the rotating scheme ←
15:42:14 <kmyers> ...We'll have a page pointing to that list that we will rotate through
...We'll have a page pointing to that list that we will rotate through ←
15:42:29 <kmyers> ...Agendas and minutes will be collected from the Interest Group's home page
...Agendas and minutes will be collected from the Interest Group's home page ←
15:42:48 <kmyers> ...the agenda will be published via email
...the agenda will be published via email ←
15:42:48 <kmyers> ...Minutes as always will be published through the W3C minuting system
...Minutes as always will be published through the W3C minuting system ←
15:43:02 <kmyers> ...And we will collect the URLs of the agenda and published minutes and put them on the home page
...And we will collect the URLs of the agenda and published minutes and put them on the home page ←
15:43:16 <kmyers> ...The chairs of course will publish agenda at least 24 hours in advance of meeting
...The chairs of course will publish agenda at least 24 hours in advance of meeting ←
15:43:22 <kmyers> ...These will be draft agendas
...These will be draft agendas ←
15:43:40 <kmyers> ...So if you have an agenda item to be discussed, please let us know a few days before meeting
...So if you have an agenda item to be discussed, please let us know a few days before meeting ←
15:43:49 <kmyers> ...We'll try to get it in depending about how packed it is
...We'll try to get it in depending about how packed it is ←
15:43:52 <kmyers> ...Anything else?
...Anything else? ←
15:43:58 <kmyers> Thierry: no
Thierry Michel: no ←
15:44:09 <kmyers> Markus: For time being, we are intending to stay with the day and time we are on now
Markus Gylling: For time being, we are intending to stay with the day and time we are on now ←
15:44:17 <kmyers> ...If going forward group finds this problematic
...If going forward group finds this problematic ←
15:44:28 <kmyers> ...but for now, please reserve Tuesdays at 15:00UTC each week
...but for now, please reserve Tuesdays at 15:00UTC each week ←
15:44:30 <kmyers> ...Emailing lists
...Emailing lists ←
15:44:33 <tmichel> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Main_Page
Thierry Michel: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Main_Page ←
15:44:40 <kmyers> ...There are ones that the IG should be aware of
...There are ones that the IG should be aware of ←
15:44:47 <tmichel> see mailing lists deatails
Thierry Michel: see mailing lists deatails ←
15:44:48 <kmyers> ...First one is the one where you got your agenda invite
...First one is the one where you got your agenda invite ←
15:44:54 <kmyers> ...Also a second list
...Also a second list ←
15:44:58 <kmyers> ...which is not world visible
...which is not world visible ←
15:45:13 <kmyers> ...agenda is readable by world but writable by IG members
...agenda is readable by world but writable by IG members ←
15:45:20 <kmyers> ...also one only for IG members
...also one only for IG members ←
15:45:39 <kmyers> ...and also a comment list that is world visible
...and also a comment list that is world visible ←
15:45:50 <kmyers> ...These are all available at the lists.w3.org site
...These are all available at the lists.w3.org site ←
15:46:18 <kmyers> Ivan: Pointers to the archives are all listed on the wiki page
Ivan Herman: Pointers to the archives are all listed on the wiki page ←
15:46:18 <kmyers> ...on right hand side
...on right hand side ←
15:46:24 <kmyers> Markus: so the default list in short term is same email list as agenda
Markus Gylling: so the default list in short term is same email list as agenda ←
15:46:30 <kmyers> ...next topic
...next topic ←
15:46:36 <tmichel> http://www.w3.org/2013/11/TPAC/
Thierry Michel: http://www.w3.org/2013/11/TPAC/ ←
15:46:50 <kmyers> ...We have a faceto-face meeting planned at the TPAC [Technical Plenary and Advisory Committee Meeting] in China
...We have a faceto-face meeting planned at the TPAC [Technical Plenary and Advisory Committee Meeting] in China ←
15:46:51 <tmichel> registration for TPAC now open
Thierry Michel: registration for TPAC now open ←
15:47:02 <kmyers> ...hopefully we can show early drafts of corpus of requirements that we are working on
...hopefully we can show early drafts of corpus of requirements that we are working on ←
15:47:08 <kmyers> ...Thierry, Ivan should we say here
...Thierry, Ivan should we say here ←
15:47:16 <kmyers> ...express a recommendation about people getting here
...express a recommendation about people getting here ←
15:47:24 <kmyers> Ivan: It's important to register to the meeting as soon as possible
Ivan Herman: It's important to register to the meeting as soon as possible ←
15:47:35 <kmyers> ...A lot of people will be there form different groups
...A lot of people will be there form different groups ←
15:47:45 <kmyers> ...Thierry put TPAC page in the minutes
...Thierry put TPAC page in the minutes ←
15:47:54 <kmyers> ...also there is information about getting a visa to China
...also there is information about getting a visa to China ←
15:48:00 <kmyers> ...so please register as soon as you can
...so please register as soon as you can ←
15:48:05 <kmyers> Markus: thank you
Markus Gylling: thank you ←
15:48:14 <kmyers> ...any questions about logistics, telcons, lists, F2F meetings?
...any questions about logistics, telcons, lists, F2F meetings? ←
15:48:20 <kmyers> @: how often are the telcons?
@: how often are the telcons? ←
15:48:35 <kmyers> @: if we are not traveling internationally, will there be any options for remote attendance?
@: if we are not traveling internationally, will there be any options for remote attendance? ←
15:48:46 <kmyers> Ivan: we usually have possibility to dial into f2f meeting in Shenzhen
Ivan Herman: we usually have possibility to dial into f2f meeting in Shenzhen ←
15:49:05 <kmyers> ...we will know figures closer to meeting, but cannot change the time difference
...we will know figures closer to meeting, but cannot change the time difference ←
15:49:13 <kmyers> @: clearly, midnight is midnight
Jean Kaplansky: clearly, midnight is midnight ←
15:49:20 <ivan> s/@/Jean/
15:49:23 <kmyers> ...to whom should we contact if we cannot travel?
...to whom should we contact if we cannot travel? ←
15:49:32 <kmyers> Ivan: If you don't register, you don't register
Ivan Herman: If you don't register, you don't register ←
15:49:34 <kmyers> ...action is needed for those who do come
...action is needed for those who do come ←
15:49:57 <kmyers> Ivan: that may be a good idea to set up information for phone
Ivan Herman: that may be a good idea to set up information for phone ←
15:50:12 <kmyers> Markus: in terms of group membership
Markus Gylling: in terms of group membership ←
15:50:27 <kmyers> ...as I mentioned, there is work on-going with groups and co-chairs with stakeholders
...as I mentioned, there is work on-going with groups and co-chairs with stakeholders ←
15:50:30 <kmyers> ...as that progresses
...as that progresses ←
15:50:39 <kmyers> ...no time to list all the names of organizations and people
...no time to list all the names of organizations and people ←
15:50:56 <kmyers> ...we would like to encourage you all to think about organizations and companies that you believe should be on this interest group
...we would like to encourage you all to think about organizations and companies that you believe should be on this interest group ←
15:51:14 <kmyers> ...If you come up with any, please contact us and the W3C staff reps and we'll discuss strategies to invite and get them to participate
...If you come up with any, please contact us and the W3C staff reps and we'll discuss strategies to invite and get them to participate ←
15:51:27 <kmyers> ...this is an historic opportunity for digital publishing industry to harmonize with W3C
...this is an historic opportunity for digital publishing industry to harmonize with W3C ←
15:51:36 <kmyers> ...would not be good not to get the right people at the table
...would not be good not to get the right people at the table ←
15:51:44 <kmyers> ...let us know of anyone you think should join
...let us know of anyone you think should join ←
15:51:52 <kmyers> ...any questions about recruitment and membership
...any questions about recruitment and membership ←
15:52:01 <kmyers> ...Ok...work methodology
...Ok...work methodology ←
15:52:06 <kmyers> zakim, take up next agendum
zakim, take up next agendum ←
15:52:06 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
Zakim IRC Bot: I see nothing on the agenda ←
15:52:16 <kmyers> ...there are many ways to gather corpus and use cases
...there are many ways to gather corpus and use cases ←
15:52:39 <kmyers> ...has been done many times in W3C before, so we are not expected to take a revolutionary new approach
...has been done many times in W3C before, so we are not expected to take a revolutionary new approach ←
15:52:52 <kmyers> ...one of key things is having right stakeholders at the table
...one of key things is having right stakeholders at the table ←
15:53:05 <kmyers> ...risk that we may be understaffed in certain areas depending upon who joins group
...risk that we may be understaffed in certain areas depending upon who joins group ←
15:53:16 <kmyers> ...Second observation is that this is a huge field with many different aspects
...Second observation is that this is a huge field with many different aspects ←
15:53:33 <kmyers> ...Likely we won't go through a single thread but multiple as we go through requirements gathering
...Likely we won't go through a single thread but multiple as we go through requirements gathering ←
15:53:44 <kmyers> ...Some members here interested in pagination; others interested in metadata
...Some members here interested in pagination; others interested in metadata ←
15:53:52 <kmyers> ...those are two communities with different expertise
...those are two communities with different expertise ←
15:54:03 <kmyers> ...makes no sense to do in serial but rather in parallel fashion
...makes no sense to do in serial but rather in parallel fashion ←
15:54:14 <kmyers> ...so we will need to devise way to do things simultaneously
...so we will need to devise way to do things simultaneously ←
15:54:22 <kmyers> ...We may choose certain meetings for certain themes
...We may choose certain meetings for certain themes ←
15:54:32 <kmyers> ...or we may have certain chunks for each meeting
...or we may have certain chunks for each meeting ←
15:54:36 <kmyers> ...that remains to be seen
...that remains to be seen ←
15:54:47 <kmyers> ...based on where the largest number of stakeholders are doing work
...based on where the largest number of stakeholders are doing work ←
15:54:56 <kmyers> ...What we have been thinking about the corpus of requirements
...What we have been thinking about the corpus of requirements ←
15:55:02 <kmyers> ...is an initial taxonomy
...is an initial taxonomy ←
15:55:14 <kmyers> ...of problem or issue areas that we should be filling in
...of problem or issue areas that we should be filling in ←
15:55:23 <kmyers> ...Layout would be one such category with pagination and int'l
...Layout would be one such category with pagination and int'l ←
15:55:33 <kmyers> ...Metadata is another with publication level vs microdata
...Metadata is another with publication level vs microdata ←
15:55:34 <kmyers> ...and so on
...and so on ←
15:55:47 <kmyers> ...Idea is that the first thing this group does is to set out the first version of the problem areas
...Idea is that the first thing this group does is to set out the first version of the problem areas ←
15:55:50 <kmyers> ...and then from there on
...and then from there on ←
15:55:59 <kmyers> ...move into them and start to populate them with the requirements
...move into them and start to populate them with the requirements ←
15:56:07 <kmyers> ...This is a way for us to provide structure to the work
...This is a way for us to provide structure to the work ←
15:56:16 <kmyers> ...and to see where work is progressing and where it is not
...and to see where work is progressing and where it is not ←
15:56:30 <kmyers> ...So if we see in October that work is not progressing in certain areas, then we can address it
...So if we see in October that work is not progressing in certain areas, then we can address it ←
15:56:37 <kmyers> ...So proposal is that we work on that structure first
...So proposal is that we work on that structure first ←
15:56:48 <kmyers> ...and once we agree then we work on the functional requirements
...and once we agree then we work on the functional requirements ←
15:56:52 <kmyers> ...What do people think
...What do people think ←
15:56:53 <azaroth> +1
Robert Sanderson: +1 ←
15:57:00 <SethSL> +! makes sense
15:57:01 <TomDN> sounds good
Tom De Nies: sounds good ←
15:57:29 <kmyers> Markus: Perhaps we can produce first action for Markus and Madi to create a first strawman for the taxonomy on the wiki page
Markus Gylling: Perhaps we can produce first action for Markus and Madi to create a first strawman for the taxonomy on the wiki page ←
15:57:35 <kmyers> Ivan: Thierry, will you do that/
Ivan Herman: Thierry, will you do that/ ←
15:57:41 <kmyers> s/?
s/? ←
15:57:49 <kmyers> Thierry: an action for everybody?
Thierry Michel: an action for everybody? ←
15:57:49 <madi> Yes sounds good to me.
Madi Solomon: Yes sounds good to me. ←
15:58:02 <kmyers> Markus: no, for Markus and Madi to create the strawman for the taxonomy
Markus Gylling: no, for Markus and Madi to create the strawman for the taxonomy ←
15:58:34 <kmyers> Action: Madi to create the strawman for the taxonomy
ACTION: Madi to create the strawman for the taxonomy ←
15:58:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1 - Create the strawman for the taxonomy [on Madi Solomon - due 2013-08-13].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-1 - Create the strawman for the taxonomy [on Madi Solomon - due 2013-08-13]. ←
15:59:18 <kmyers> Markus: It's not a catastrophe if we get it wrong at first, but we need a starting point and will take it from there
Markus Gylling: It's not a catastrophe if we get it wrong at first, but we need a starting point and will take it from there ←
15:59:26 <kmyers> ...great...we are approaching the top of the hour
...great...we are approaching the top of the hour ←
15:59:30 <kmyers> ...what is left?
...what is left? ←
15:59:38 <kmyers> ...Are there any questions or remarks at this point?
...Are there any questions or remarks at this point? ←
15:59:46 <tmichel> Action: Markus to create the strawman for the taxonomy
ACTION: Markus to create the strawman for the taxonomy ←
15:59:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2 - Create the strawman for the taxonomy [on Markus Gylling - due 2013-08-13].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-2 - Create the strawman for the taxonomy [on Markus Gylling - due 2013-08-13]. ←
15:59:51 <kmyers> ....if not, we are done for the day
....if not, we are done for the day ←
15:59:57 <Zakim> -fjh
Zakim IRC Bot: -fjh ←
15:59:57 <kmyers> ...thank you everyone, and talk to you in one week
...thank you everyone, and talk to you in one week ←
16:00:00 <Zakim> -azaroth
Zakim IRC Bot: -azaroth ←
16:00:01 <Zakim> -SethSL
Zakim IRC Bot: -SethSL ←
16:00:01 <Zakim> -mgylling
Zakim IRC Bot: -mgylling ←
16:00:04 <Zakim> -Madi
Zakim IRC Bot: -Madi ←
16:00:06 <Zakim> -JeanKaplansky
Zakim IRC Bot: -JeanKaplansky ←
16:00:10 <trc> bye now
Tyng-Ruey Chuang: bye now ←
16:00:12 <Zakim> -plinss
Zakim IRC Bot: -plinss ←
16:00:21 <Zakim> -trc
Zakim IRC Bot: -trc ←
16:00:23 <TomDN> bye
Tom De Nies: bye ←
16:00:25 <Zakim> -Bert
Zakim IRC Bot: -Bert ←
16:00:32 <Zakim> -TomDN
Zakim IRC Bot: -TomDN ←
16:00:33 <Zakim> -Sharad
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sharad ←
16:01:39 <George> hello world
George Kerscher: hello world ←
16:01:58 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
Ivan Herman: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:01:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-dpub-minutes.html ivan
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-dpub-minutes.html ivan ←
16:03:09 <mgylling> George, hi, can you read this?
Markus Gylling: George, hi, can you read this? ←
16:03:43 <George> Yes, Markus I can read it
George Kerscher: Yes, Markus I can read it ←
16:05:03 <George> goodbye
George Kerscher: goodbye ←
16:05:34 <Zakim> -George_Kerscher
Zakim IRC Bot: -George_Kerscher ←
16:10:42 <Zakim> -Karen_Myers
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16:10:55 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
16:15:56 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, tmichel, in SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM
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Zakim IRC Bot: SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM has ended ←
16:15:58 <Zakim> Attendees were Ivan, mgylling, +1.505.665.aaaa, azaroth, +88626614aabb, Bert, +1.212.389.aacc, +329331aadd, Karen, plinss, TomDN, Hajar, Madi, trc, mielvds, tmichel,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Ivan, mgylling, +1.505.665.aaaa, azaroth, +88626614aabb, Bert, +1.212.389.aacc, +329331aadd, Karen, plinss, TomDN, Hajar, Madi, trc, mielvds, tmichel, ←
16:15:59 <Zakim> ... George_Kerscher, +1.503.456.aaee, +1.518.581.aaff, SethSL, Sharad, JeanKaplansky, fjh, Karen_Myers
Zakim IRC Bot: ... George_Kerscher, +1.503.456.aaee, +1.518.581.aaff, SethSL, Sharad, JeanKaplansky, fjh, Karen_Myers ←
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