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13:58:11 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub_ig
13:58:11 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
13:58:12 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
13:58:12 <trackbot> Date: 06 August 2013
13:58:58 <ivan> zakim, this will be digpub
13:58:58 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, ivan
14:01:18 <ivan> zakim, this will be dpub
14:01:18 <Zakim> ok, ivan; I see SW_DPUB-IG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 59 minutes
14:04:00 <ivan> RRSagent, set log public
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14:32:14 <azaroth> Good morning all :)
14:32:46 <azaroth> Call is in 30 minutes, yes?
14:35:18 <liam> welcome, azaroth
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14:36:40 <azaroth> Thanks Liam!
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14:56:32 <madi> Hello!
14:57:06 <mgylling> madi, hi
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14:58:14 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
14:58:14 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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14:58:59 <Zakim> + +1.505.665.aaaa
14:59:26 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is azaroth
14:59:27 <Zakim> +azaroth; got it
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15:00:32 <madi> must change phones.  Can't use Skype to dial in, no credit.  Odd.
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15:01:11 <Zakim> +Bert
15:01:14 <Zakim> + +1.212.389.aacc
15:01:18 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:01:20 <Zakim> + +329331aadd
15:01:28 <karen_> zakim, IPcaller is Karen
15:01:28 <Zakim> +Karen; got it
15:01:31 <Zakim> +plinss
15:01:34 <TomDN> Zakim, +32 is me
15:01:34 <Zakim> +TomDN; got it
15:01:37 <karen_> Chair: Markus Gylling
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15:01:39 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me
15:01:39 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted
15:01:41 <karen_> Scribe: Karen
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15:01:56 <trc> Hi, this is Tyng-Ruey Chuang. Nick trc.
15:02:03 <TomDN> Zakim, Hajar is with TomDN
15:02:04 <Zakim> +Hajar; got it
15:02:04 <Zakim> +??P25
15:02:05 <Zakim> +Madi
15:02:08 <ivan> zakim, aabb is trc
15:02:08 <Zakim> +trc; got it
15:02:16 <TomDN> Zakim, mielvds is with TomDN
15:02:16 <Zakim> +mielvds; got it
15:02:20 <tmichel> zakim, ??P25 is me
15:02:20 <Zakim> +tmichel; got it
15:02:24 <Zakim> +George_Kerscher
15:02:29 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
15:02:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, mgylling, azaroth, trc, Bert, +1.212.389.aacc, Karen, TomDN (muted), plinss, tmichel, Madi, George_Kerscher
15:02:32 <Zakim> TomDN has TomDN, Hajar, mielvds
15:02:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see Hajar, mielvds, tmichel, Bert, TomDN, karen_, fjh, madi, mgylling, trc, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, liam, ivan, trackbot, sandro
15:03:26 <Zakim> + +1.503.456.aaee
15:03:40 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
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15:04:25 <karen_> zakim, 1.212.389.aacc is Seth Seigel-Laddy
15:04:25 <Zakim> I don't understand '1.212.389.aacc is Seth Seigel-Laddy', karen_
15:04:35 <Zakim> + +1.518.581.aaff
15:04:39 <ivan> zakim, aaccc is SethSL
15:04:39 <Zakim> sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'aaccc'
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15:04:46 <mgylling> Zakim, aacc is SethSL
15:04:46 <Zakim> +SethSL; got it
15:04:48 <SethSL> 212.389 is me... SethSL = Seth Seigel-Laddy
15:05:02 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
15:05:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, mgylling, azaroth, trc, Bert, SethSL, Karen, TomDN (muted), plinss, tmichel, Madi, George_Kerscher, +1.503.456.aaee, +1.518.581.aaff
15:05:05 <Zakim> TomDN has TomDN, Hajar, mielvds
15:05:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sharad, SethSL, plinss, Hajar, mielvds, tmichel, Bert, TomDN, karen_, fjh, madi, mgylling, trc, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, liam, ivan, trackbot, sandro
15:05:39 <mgylling> Zakim, aaff is Jean Kaplansky
15:05:39 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaff is Jean Kaplansky', mgylling
15:06:17 <ivan> zakim, aaee is Sharad
15:06:17 <Zakim> +Sharad; got it
15:06:56 <mgylling> zakim, aaff is JeanKaplansky
15:06:56 <Zakim> +JeanKaplansky; got it
15:07:20 <karen_> Ivan: handing chair back to Markus
15:07:22 <ivan> zakim, who is noisy?
15:07:22 <mgylling> zakim, who is noisy?
15:07:32 <Zakim> ivan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mgylling (35%), Ivan (29%)
15:07:43 <Zakim> mgylling, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mgylling (34%), trc (4%), Bert (6%), Ivan (36%)
15:07:59 <karen_> Markus: Welcome everybody to the first get together of this interest group
15:08:08 <karen_> ...Yesterday I sent out the agenda
15:08:13 <karen_> ...Today is a lot about logistics
15:08:20 <karen_> ...Great to see a good number already
15:08:34 <karen_> ...We will be talking later, both chairs and W3C staff
15:08:43 <karen_> ...to encourage members to show up over the next months
15:08:55 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
15:08:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, mgylling, azaroth, trc, Bert, SethSL, Karen, TomDN (muted), plinss, tmichel, Madi, George_Kerscher, Sharad, JeanKaplansky
15:08:55 <karen_> ...Today we thought we would go around the table to introduce ourselves briefly
15:08:57 <Zakim> TomDN has TomDN, Hajar, mielvds
15:08:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sharad, SethSL, plinss, Hajar, mielvds, tmichel, Bert, TomDN, karen_, fjh, madi, mgylling, trc, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, liam, ivan, trackbot, sandro
15:09:02 <karen_> ...We will also go through the charter
15:09:11 <karen_> ...for clarities, what charter is asking us to do by when
15:09:18 <karen_> ...So we don't discuss scope later on
15:09:23 <karen_> ...it should be clear from the start
15:09:40 <karen_> ...We'll talk about telcos and which face-to-face meetings
15:09:44 <karen_> ...Also talk about group extensions
15:09:49 <karen_> ...and talk about the work methodology
15:10:05 <karen_> ...where we see ourselves starting and going about the work in the initial part of the chart
15:10:15 <karen_> ...Does anyone have any additional agenda items to add?
15:10:19 <karen_> ...Ok, introductions
15:10:20 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:10:31 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] lis me
15:10:31 <Zakim> I don't understand '[IPcaller] lis me', fjh
15:10:35 <karen_> ...My suggestion is that we do introductions in alphabetical order as seen on irc
15:10:42 <ivan> zakim, IPcaller is fjh
15:10:42 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
15:10:46 <karen_> Frederick Hirsch: sorry to be late
15:10:50 <karen_> Markus: Ok
15:10:51 <fjh> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:10:51 <Zakim> sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
15:10:55 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:10:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, mgylling, azaroth, trc, Bert, SethSL, Karen, TomDN (muted), plinss, tmichel, Madi, George_Kerscher, Sharad, JeanKaplansky, fjh
15:10:59 <Zakim> TomDN has TomDN, Hajar, mielvds
15:10:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sharad, SethSL, plinss, Hajar, mielvds, tmichel, Bert, TomDN, karen_, fjh, madi, mgylling, trc, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, liam, ivan, trackbot, sandro
15:11:10 <karen_> Rob @ at Los Alamos National Lab
15:11:32 <karen_> Rob: interest in W3C community group; interest in annotations in epub; also attended February workshop
15:11:44 <karen_> ...very much look forward to working with the group and feel that annotation has a role to play
15:11:50 <karen_> ...for web and for digital publishing arena
15:11:54 <karen_> Markus: next is Bert
15:12:08 <karen_> Bert Bos, W3C: sorry, muted
15:12:18 <karen_> ...I have two roles and why I am here
15:12:25 <karen_> ...one is staff contact for MathML
15:12:33 <karen_> ...standards that are useful for publishing
15:12:42 <karen_> ...other role is staff contact for CSS Working Group
15:12:53 <karen_> ...assume there will be requirements coming out of this group to pass along to CSS WG
15:13:02 <karen_> Markus: FJH
15:13:09 <karen_> Frederick Hirsch: I work for Nokia
15:13:17 <TomDN> Zakim, unmute me
15:13:17 <Zakim> TomDN should no longer be muted
15:13:20 <karen_> ...on Open Web Platform; interested in how publishing will evolve
15:13:27 <karen_> Hajar: I work in @
15:13:34 <karen_> ...in digital publishing project
15:13:42 <fjh> I chair the W3C Device APIs wg, interested ePub3 as well
15:13:52 <fjh> also chair W3C XML Security WG
15:14:01 <karen_> Ivan Herman: Also at W3C, Activity Lead for Digital Publishing and one of staff contacts for this Interest Group
15:14:45 <fjh> s/I chair/I also chair/
15:14:58 <azaroth> Do we have a backup scribe for karen_?
15:15:06 <karen_> Karen Myers: also with W3C, doing member relations and outreach, organizing digital publishing events for this activity
15:15:22 <karen_> ...scribing today, but not so much going forward as I will not do the technical work
15:15:35 <karen_> Madi Solomon: I am co-chair with Markus of this Interest Group
15:15:40 <karen_> ...based in London with Pearson
15:15:48 <karen_> ...also co-chair of @ Community Group
15:15:53 <karen_> ...jumping in with both fee
15:15:56 <karen_> s/feet
15:16:06 <karen_> Markus: Working with Daisy Consortium with George for some time
15:16:12 <karen_> ...main focus has been accessibility
15:16:16 <karen_> ...also working with IDPF
15:16:24 <karen_> ...doing the ePub3 specifications
15:16:55 <karen_> Mie: I work with semantic web technologies; interest in how this can help digital publishing
15:17:13 <ivan> s/Mie/Miel/
15:17:17 <karen_> Peter Linss: I work for HP; co-chair of CSS; also co-chairing upcoming dig pub workshop on workflow in Paris
15:17:28 <karen_> Seth Seigel-Laddy: VP and digital services at Scholastic
15:17:34 <karen_> ...which is transitioning to epub3
15:17:39 <karen_> ...interested in fixed formats
15:17:51 <karen_> ...seeing transitions in schools...particularly in speech
15:18:02 <karen_> Sharad: from Intel Corp.
15:18:05 <karen_> ...manager of @
15:18:12 <karen_> ...worked at W3C web services
15:18:17 <karen_> ...was editor for their requirements doc
15:18:32 <karen_> ...I am interested in digital publshing formats, particularly epub security
15:18:37 <mgylling> s/@/Intel Education/
15:18:41 <karen_> Thierry Michel: I am the other W3C staff contact
15:18:46 <karen_> ...based in France
15:18:55 <karen_> ...joined from the beginning and organized workshop
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15:19:05 <karen_> ...helping you guys to run this group, so please do not hesitate to contact me
15:19:15 <karen_> Tom Denise: I work at iMinds University
15:19:29 <karen_> ...project we're doing I'm focused on Semantic Web, metadata and provenance
15:19:34 <karen_> ...also member of Provenance WG
15:19:40 <karen_> ...interested in what we are going to do here
15:19:44 <TomDN> Zakim, mute me
15:19:44 <Zakim> TomDN should now be muted
15:19:52 <karen_> TRC: Academica Sinica
15:19:55 <Bert> s/Denise/De Nies/
15:20:00 <karen_> ...mostly working on @
15:20:18 <karen_> Jeanne Kaplansky, Aptara: solutions architect
15:20:18 <TomDN> s/iMinds University/iMinds - Ghent University
15:20:23 <karen_> ...we have interest in W3C standards
15:20:29 <karen_> ...been following since early '90s
15:20:33 <ivan> s/TRC/Tyng-Ruey Chuang/
15:20:34 <karen_> ...sit on indexing group for IDPF
15:20:38 <karen_> ...also interested in MathML
15:20:46 <karen_> ...talking about more support for MathML
15:20:48 <ivan> s/Denise/De Nies/
15:20:55 <karen_> ...company has great interest in web standards
15:20:58 <karen_> ...and web projects
15:21:18 <karen_> George Kirscher: with Daisy Consortium
15:21:23 <karen_> ...we're super interested in ePub3
15:21:41 <karen_> ...Daisy Consortium has endorsed ePub3 and we are moving into that domain as systems an authoring tools come into that domain
15:21:48 <Bert> s/Kirscher/Kerscher/
15:21:57 <karen_> ...hoping in future Daisy Consortium materials will be coming into epub
15:22:09 <karen_> ...moving disability needs into mainstream is goal of ours
15:22:18 <karen_> ...we have been members of W3C for many years
15:22:36 <karen_> ...and serve as part of stearing council for Web Accessibility Initiative
15:22:43 <karen_> Markus: anyone who did not introduce themselves?
15:23:08 <karen_> ...next on agenda is to look at the charter
15:23:19 <karen_> ...if there are questions or remarks, suggest we do that now
15:23:36 <karen_> ...since you joined group, hope you have read the charter
15:23:43 <karen_> ...in enough detail to understand what the intent is
15:23:52 <karen_> ...it's nice in its compactness
15:23:57 <karen_> ...seems pretty clear to me
15:24:08 <karen_> ...But will repeat what is obvious
15:24:09 <tmichel> Digital Publishing Interest Group Charter
15:24:10 <tmichel>  http://www.w3.org/2013/02/digpubig.html
15:24:18 <karen_> ...it's not a group to create specifications
15:24:22 <karen_> ...but to identify problems
15:24:26 <karen_> ...this as many of you know
15:24:35 <karen_> ...is a very difficult thing to do with technical people in group
15:24:46 <karen_> ...who want to go into technical design space
15:24:56 <karen_> ...Madi and I will push hard so we do not design solutions here
15:25:05 <karen_> ...but that said, Ivan, Thierry and Karen correct me if wrong
15:25:17 <karen_> ...Looks like one easy way to summarize is that it takes major steps
15:25:24 <karen_> ...First is the collection of use cases and requirements
15:25:39 <karen_> ...describing all the things that the publishing industry wants to do with the OWP but cannot do yet
15:25:44 <karen_> ...describe the issues and the features
15:25:55 <karen_> ...The second step of course is once that opus matures
15:26:06 <karen_> ...is to start an outreach to the relevant W3C Working Groups
15:26:13 <ivan> q+
15:26:16 <karen_> ...and discuss and have an impact about how to address these features
15:26:21 <karen_> ...Ivan, Thierry, would you agree?
15:26:28 <karen_> ...overly simplistic or did I miss it?
15:26:37 <karen_> Thierry: I think you summarized excellently the scope and deliverables
15:26:39 <karen_> ack Ivan
15:26:46 <karen_> Ivan: I actually do have something to say
15:26:53 <karen_> ...one is what you said is absolutely true
15:27:00 <karen_> ...the reality we have to prepare ourselves with
15:27:07 <karen_> ...is that if we go to one or more of the Working Groups
15:27:17 <karen_> ...and we have chairs or staff contacts who may react on this
15:27:29 <karen_> ...You may hear, that is all nice, but we don't have enough people to put it through properly
15:27:38 <karen_> ...We can do that only if you are prepared to do the work
15:27:44 <karen_> ...So in practice what that means
15:28:09 <karen_> ...is that either you or a colleague joins a specific group, say CSS, and pushes that item through to completion in the WG
15:28:11 <fjh> +1
15:28:16 <karen_> ...I know Peter is here, Bert...
15:28:21 <azaroth> q+
15:28:23 <karen_> ...this is a realistic expectation, yes?
15:28:27 <karen_> Peter: yes, of course
15:28:28 <Bert> +1
15:28:30 <karen_> Ivan: so this is one thing
15:28:35 <karen_> ...the other thing that is in the charter
15:28:45 <karen_> ...it's important, in some sense direction
15:28:52 <karen_> ...feedback we got from the publishing industry
15:29:03 <karen_> ...is that it is very difficult to find your way through the maze of W3C recommendations
15:29:15 <karen_> ...and to find out which ones are relevant to digital publishing industry
15:29:31 <karen_> ...so we should produce a prioritized list of W3C specifications that the digital publishing industry should know about
15:29:38 <karen_> ...that is a parallel work that is also important
15:29:56 <karen_> ...Third one again, we got a lot of feedback from industry that interoperability of ebook readers is a problem
15:30:01 <karen_> ...even if they rely on Webkit
15:30:15 <karen_> ...to improve that, this community should also be in position to add test cases to overall work on testing
15:30:20 <karen_> ...being done at W3C right now
15:30:24 <karen_> ...So that of course
15:30:45 <Zakim> -Karen
15:31:19 <Bert> mgylling: See sect 2 in cgharter with deliverables.
15:31:34 <Bert> ... Develop reqs.
15:31:53 <fjh> Ivan: hard to find way through maze of w3c specs to find what is relevant, - need to produce list of w3c specs digitial publishing industry needs to know about, additional deliverable
15:31:53 <Bert> ... with help from W3C [noise] specifications involved.
15:31:53 <fjh> Ivan: interoperability of ebook readers is a problem, even if rely on webkit etc ; community needs to be able to add test cases to test cases being developed at w3c, another deliverable
15:32:02 <ivan> ack azaroth
15:32:09 <ivan> scribe ivan:
15:32:15 <Zakim> +Karen_Myers
15:32:27 <ivan> azaroth: the open annotation is on a community group
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15:32:38 <ivan> … does that have an impact
15:33:05 <ivan> scribe: kmyers
15:33:09 <kmyers> @: question is
15:33:29 <kmyers> ...is there an impact on the community group to be beneficial to the IG
15:33:36 <kmyers> ...should we be forming a WG within time frame so that documents can be referenced
15:33:46 <kmyers> Ivan: I would look at that in general framework of priority
15:33:52 <kmyers> ...of what technologies come up
15:34:05 <kmyers> ...Madi and Markus will have to set up and how annotation fits into this
15:34:24 <kmyers> ...at the moment, I would not make a difference between certain issues being controlled by CG or IG
15:34:29 <kmyers> ...or to the MathML group for example
15:34:34 <kmyers> ...the way you handle it is different
15:34:45 <kmyers> ...different structure, but I think they should look at the issues the same way
15:34:47 <azaroth> q-
15:34:52 <kmyers> ...does that answer:
15:34:52 <kmyers> @: yes
15:34:54 <ivan> acl waves
15:34:56 <azaroth> q-
15:34:58 <kmyers> Markus: yes, I agree with that as well
15:35:04 <ivan> ack waves
15:35:05 <kmyers> ...I don't see why this group should offer differences
15:35:17 <kmyers> Markus: should not matter
15:35:35 <kmyers> Ivan: connection comes and goes
15:35:39 <kmyers> Markus: Let's see...
15:35:58 <kmyers> ...only thing I wanted to ask about in the deliverables section is the contributions to the tesing efforts
15:36:17 <kmyers> ...sounds like it is going to be difficult in some cases; maybe that is not an issue
15:36:21 <kmyers> ...let's say for example
15:36:32 <kmyers> ...in describing what the digpub industry needs in pagination in CSS
15:36:44 <kmyers> ...primarily is use cases and functional requirements for pagination
15:36:50 <kmyers> ...maybe stratified in feature set
15:37:01 <kmyers> ...but there will be an overall declarative use case that describes what is needed
15:37:12 <kmyers> ...but no way to test for that because there is no syntax to use
15:37:24 <kmyers> ...I think this is going to be quite common
15:37:24 <kmyers> ...Just want to be clear
15:37:33 <kmyers> ...that expecation is that we are not hard core test writers
15:37:42 <kmyers> Ivan: yes, that is to be done as part of the work of the group
15:37:51 <kmyers> ...the issue here that I had in mind is slightly different
15:38:04 <kmyers> ...Let's forget about the case when there is a specification that has to be developed
15:38:11 <kmyers> ...and take case when specification that is already there
15:38:18 <kmyers> ...take CSS example on text declaration
15:38:38 <kmyers> ...which as I scan through has detailed specifications on underlines in other langages
15:38:48 <kmyers> ...this has to be thoroughly tested
15:38:53 <kmyers> ...more than others
15:38:59 <kmyers> ...therefore there are some corner or special cases
15:39:12 <Bert> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/CR-css-text-decor-3-20130801/ CR of CSS Text Decoration
15:39:12 <kmyers> ...that this group knows more about how to test than the average browser manufacturers
15:39:27 <kmyers> ...so this group can produce additional test cases that the browser manufacturer may not care about
15:39:39 <kmyers> ...Bert and Peter, I am getting into your area, but hope what I am saying makes sense
15:39:44 <kmyers> Bert: yes, it does
15:40:05 <kmyers> Ivan: So group makes sure that the test environment is as thorough and exhaustive, taking care of specificities
15:40:25 <kmyers> Markus: again, two major steps
15:40:28 <kmyers> ...would happen during the later phase when we start engaging with the other Working Groups
15:40:35 <kmyers> ...we have 20 minutes left
15:40:41 <kmyers> ...in terms of the charter, speeding up here
15:40:47 <kmyers> ...you have seen the timelines
15:40:54 <kmyers> ...are there any questions or remarks? Is it clear?
15:41:05 <kmyers> ...Ok
15:41:05 <kmyers> ...Let me ask you this
15:41:19 <kmyers> ...Are there any questions or remarks on the charter as a whole that you would like to ask about?
15:41:19 <kmyers> ...Moving on then
15:41:26 <kmyers> ...Quickly about logistics
15:41:32 <kmyers> ...Karen is kindly taking minutes
15:41:49 <kmyers> ...but may be only meeting; in following meetings we will ask for volunteer scribes
15:42:06 <kmyers> ...Madi and I would be grateful if you cannot scribe so we exclude you from the rotating scheme
15:42:14 <kmyers> ...We'll have a page pointing to that list that we will rotate through
15:42:29 <kmyers> ...Agendas and minutes will be collected from the Interest Group's home page
15:42:48 <kmyers> ...the agenda will be published via email
15:42:48 <kmyers> ...Minutes as always will be published through the W3C minuting system
15:43:02 <kmyers> ...And we will collect the URLs of the agenda and published minutes and put them on the home page
15:43:16 <kmyers> ...The chairs of course will publish agenda at least 24 hours in advance of meeting
15:43:22 <kmyers> ...These will be draft agendas
15:43:40 <kmyers> ...So if you have an agenda item to be discussed, please let us know a few days before meeting
15:43:49 <kmyers> ...We'll try to get it in depending about how packed it is
15:43:52 <kmyers> ...Anything else?
15:43:58 <kmyers> Thierry: no
15:44:09 <kmyers> Markus: For time being, we are intending to stay with the day and time we are on now
15:44:17 <kmyers> ...If going forward group finds this problematic
15:44:28 <kmyers> ...but for now, please reserve Tuesdays at 15:00UTC each week
15:44:30 <kmyers> ...Emailing lists
15:44:33 <tmichel> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Main_Page
15:44:40 <kmyers> ...There are ones that the IG should be aware of
15:44:47 <tmichel> see mailing lists deatails
15:44:48 <kmyers> ...First one is the one where you got your agenda invite
15:44:54 <kmyers> ...Also a second list
15:44:58 <kmyers> ...which is not world visible
15:45:13 <kmyers> ...agenda is readable by world but writable by IG members
15:45:20 <kmyers> ...also one only for IG members
15:45:39 <kmyers> ...and also a comment list that is world visible
15:45:50 <kmyers> ...These are all available at the lists.w3.org site
15:46:18 <kmyers> Ivan: Pointers to the archives are all listed on the wiki page
15:46:18 <kmyers> ...on right hand side
15:46:24 <kmyers> Markus: so the default list in short term is same email list as agenda
15:46:30 <kmyers> ...next topic
15:46:36 <tmichel> http://www.w3.org/2013/11/TPAC/
15:46:50 <kmyers> ...We have a faceto-face meeting planned at the TPAC [Technical Plenary and Advisory Committee Meeting] in China
15:46:51 <tmichel> registration for TPAC now open
15:47:02 <kmyers> ...hopefully we can show early drafts of corpus of requirements that we are working on
15:47:08 <kmyers> ...Thierry, Ivan should we say here
15:47:16 <kmyers> ...express a recommendation about people getting here
15:47:24 <kmyers> Ivan: It's important to register to the meeting as soon as possible
15:47:35 <kmyers> ...A lot of people will be there form different groups
15:47:45 <kmyers> ...Thierry put TPAC page in the minutes
15:47:54 <kmyers> ...also there is information about getting a visa to China
15:48:00 <kmyers> ...so please register as soon as you can
15:48:05 <kmyers> Markus: thank you
15:48:14 <kmyers> ...any questions about logistics, telcons, lists, F2F meetings?
15:48:20 <kmyers> @: how often are the telcons?
15:48:35 <kmyers> @: if we are not traveling internationally, will there be any options for remote attendance?
15:48:46 <kmyers> Ivan: we usually have possibility to dial into f2f meeting in Shenzhen
15:49:05 <kmyers> ...we will know figures closer to meeting, but cannot change the time difference
15:49:13 <kmyers> @: clearly, midnight is midnight
15:49:20 <ivan> s/@/Jean/
15:49:23 <kmyers> ...to whom should we contact if we cannot travel?
15:49:32 <kmyers> Ivan: If you don't register, you don't register
15:49:34 <kmyers> ...action is needed for those who do come
15:49:57 <kmyers> Ivan: that may be a good idea to set up information for phone
15:50:12 <kmyers> Markus: in terms of group membership
15:50:27 <kmyers> ...as I mentioned, there is work on-going with groups and co-chairs with stakeholders
15:50:30 <kmyers> ...as that progresses
15:50:39 <kmyers> ...no time to list all the names of organizations and people
15:50:56 <kmyers> ...we would like to encourage you all to think about organizations and companies that you believe should be on this interest group
15:51:14 <kmyers> ...If you come up with any, please contact us and the W3C staff reps and we'll discuss strategies to invite and get them to participate
15:51:27 <kmyers> ...this is an historic opportunity for digital publishing industry to harmonize with W3C
15:51:36 <kmyers> ...would not be good not to get the right people at the table
15:51:44 <kmyers> ...let us know of anyone you think should join
15:51:52 <kmyers> ...any questions about recruitment and membership
15:52:01 <kmyers> ...Ok...work methodology
15:52:06 <kmyers> zakim, take up next agendum
15:52:06 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
15:52:16 <kmyers> ...there are many ways to gather corpus and use cases
15:52:39 <kmyers> ...has been done many times in W3C before, so we are not expected to take a revolutionary new approach
15:52:52 <kmyers> ...one of key things is having right stakeholders at the table
15:53:05 <kmyers> ...risk that we may be understaffed in certain areas depending upon who joins group
15:53:16 <kmyers> ...Second observation is that this is a huge field with many different aspects
15:53:33 <kmyers> ...Likely we won't go through a single thread but multiple as we go through requirements gathering
15:53:44 <kmyers> ...Some members here interested in pagination; others interested in metadata
15:53:52 <kmyers> ...those are two communities with different expertise
15:54:03 <kmyers> ...makes no sense to do in serial but rather in parallel fashion
15:54:14 <kmyers> ...so we will need to devise way to do things simultaneously
15:54:22 <kmyers> ...We may choose certain meetings for certain themes
15:54:32 <kmyers> ...or we may have certain chunks for each meeting
15:54:36 <kmyers> ...that remains to be seen
15:54:47 <kmyers> ...based on where the largest number of stakeholders are doing work
15:54:56 <kmyers> ...What we have been thinking about the corpus of requirements
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15:55:02 <kmyers> ...is an initial taxonomy
15:55:14 <kmyers> ...of problem or issue areas that we should be filling in
15:55:23 <kmyers> ...Layout would be one such category with pagination and int'l
15:55:33 <kmyers> ...Metadata is another with publication level vs microdata
15:55:34 <kmyers> ...and so on
15:55:47 <kmyers> ...Idea is that the first thing this group does is to set out the first version of the problem areas
15:55:50 <kmyers> ...and then from there on
15:55:59 <kmyers> ...move into them and start to populate them with the requirements
15:56:07 <kmyers> ...This is a way for us to provide structure to the work
15:56:16 <kmyers> ...and to see where work is progressing and where it is not
15:56:30 <kmyers> ...So if we see in October that work is not progressing in certain areas, then we can address it
15:56:37 <kmyers> ...So proposal is that we work on that structure first
15:56:48 <kmyers> ...and once we agree then we work on the functional requirements
15:56:52 <kmyers> ...What do people think
15:56:53 <azaroth> +1
15:57:00 <SethSL> +! makes sense
15:57:01 <TomDN> sounds good
15:57:29 <kmyers> Markus: Perhaps we can produce first action for Markus and Madi to create a first strawman for the taxonomy on the wiki page
15:57:35 <kmyers> Ivan: Thierry, will you do that/
15:57:41 <kmyers> s/?
15:57:49 <kmyers> Thierry: an action for everybody?
15:57:49 <madi> Yes sounds good to me.
15:58:02 <kmyers> Markus: no, for Markus and Madi to create the strawman for the taxonomy
15:58:12 <tmichel>  ACTION Madi to create the strawman for the taxonomy
15:58:34 <kmyers> Action: Madi to create the strawman for the taxonomy
15:58:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1 - Create the strawman for the taxonomy [on Madi Solomon - due 2013-08-13].
15:59:04 <tmichel> ;-)
15:59:18 <tmichel> thanks Karen
15:59:18 <kmyers> Markus: It's not a catastrophe if we get it wrong at first, but we need a starting point and will take it from there
15:59:26 <kmyers> ...great...we are approaching the top of the hour
15:59:30 <kmyers> ...what is left?
15:59:38 <kmyers> ...Are there any questions or remarks at this point?
15:59:46 <tmichel> Action: Markus to create the strawman for the taxonomy
15:59:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2 - Create the strawman for the taxonomy [on Markus Gylling - due 2013-08-13].
15:59:51 <kmyers> ....if not, we are done for the day
15:59:57 <Zakim> -fjh
15:59:57 <kmyers> ...thank you everyone, and talk to you in one week
16:00:00 <Zakim> -azaroth
16:00:01 <Zakim> -SethSL
16:00:01 <Zakim> -mgylling
16:00:04 <Zakim> -Madi
16:00:06 <Zakim> -JeanKaplansky
16:00:10 <trc> bye now
16:00:12 <Zakim> -plinss
16:00:21 <Zakim> -trc
16:00:23 <TomDN> bye
16:00:25 <Zakim> -Bert
16:00:32 <Zakim> -TomDN
16:00:33 <Zakim> -Sharad
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16:01:39 <George> hello world
16:01:58 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:01:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/08/06-dpub-minutes.html ivan
16:03:09 <mgylling> George, hi, can you read this?
16:03:43 <George> Yes, Markus I can read it
16:05:03 <George> goodbye
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16:10:55 <Zakim> -Ivan
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