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14:51:55 <msporny> zakim, this will be rdfa
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14:51:55 <Zakim> ok, msporny; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
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14:52:08 <msporny> Meeting: RDF in XHTML Task Force
14:52:22 <msporny> Chair: Manu_Sporny
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14:52:37 <msporny> rrsagent, make log public
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14:52:55 <msporny> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Sep/0016.html
14:53:06 <msporny> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/08/28-rdfa-minutes.html
14:53:25 <msporny> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:53:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-rdfa-minutes.html msporny
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14:53:56 <msporny> Regrets: Ben_Adida
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14:54:21 <msporny> Present: Manu_Sporny, Mark_Birbeck, Steven_Pemberton
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14:58:48 <msporny> Present+ Shane_McCarron
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14:58:54 <msporny> Present+ Ralph_Swick
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14:58:59 <msporny> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:58:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-rdfa-minutes.html msporny
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14:59:55 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started
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15:00:02 <Zakim> +ShaneM
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15:00:26 <Zakim> +Ralph
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15:00:57 <msporny> zakim, I am ??P34
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15:00:57 <Zakim> +msporny; got it
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15:02:40 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
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15:02:40 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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15:02:41 <Zakim> +Steven
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15:04:00 <msporny> Topic: Action Items
15:04:52 <Ralph> [DONE] ACTION: Ben add Noah's comments to the tracker [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/28-rdfa-minutes.html#action21]
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Unknown Ralph: [DONE] ACTION: Ben add Noah's comments to the tracker [recorded in ACTION-21]">http://www.w3.org/2008/08/28-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-21] ←
15:05:31 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/126 issue 126 CR Comment: conformance for markup, a processor, or both?
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Unknown Ralph: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/126 ISSUE-126 CR Comment: conformance for markup, a processor, or both? ←
15:05:35 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
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15:05:35 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
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15:05:54 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/127 issue 127 CR Comment: [Noah Mendelsohn] Comments on RDFa in XHTML: Syntax and processing
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Unknown Ralph: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/127 ISSUE-127 CR Comment: [Noah Mendelsohn] Comments on RDFa in XHTML: Syntax and processing ←
15:06:12 <Zakim> + +0208761aaaa
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15:06:16 <Ralph> [CONTINUES] ACTION: Ben ask SWD to approve publication of an updated RDFa Primer [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/28-rdfa-minutes.html#action20]
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Unknown Ralph: [CONTINUES] ACTION: Ben ask SWD to approve publication of an updated RDFa Primer [recorded in ACTION-20]">http://www.w3.org/2008/08/28-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-20] ←
15:06:19 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am aaaa
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Unknown markbirbeck: zakim, i am aaaa ←
15:06:19 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
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15:06:47 <Ralph> [CONTINUES] ACTION: Manu to upload test harness source code to W3C CVS. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/28-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]
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Unknown Ralph: [CONTINUES] ACTION: Manu to upload test harness source code to W3C CVS. [recorded in ACTION-13]">http://www.w3.org/2008/08/28-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-13] ←
15:07:26 <Ralph> Manu: I need to talk with Ralph about this
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Unknown Manu_Sporny: I need to talk with Ralph about this [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
15:07:47 <Ralph> [CONTINES] ACTION: Manu to work with Microformats community to address RDFa as unified markup for uFs. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/28-rdfa-minutes.html#action23]
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Unknown Ralph: [CONTINES] ACTION: Manu to work with Microformats community to address RDFa as unified markup for uFs. [recorded in ACTION-23]">http://www.w3.org/2008/08/28-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-23] ←
15:07:48 <msporny> http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2008-August/012432.html
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Unknown msporny: http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2008-August/012432.html ←
15:07:54 <Ralph> Manu: I've started this discussion
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Unknown Manu_Sporny: I've started this discussion [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
15:08:24 <Ralph> ... overall there's some push back; they'd rather I spend my time working on methods to map microformats to RDFa rather than embedding microformats in RDFa
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Unknown Ralph: ... overall there's some push back; they'd rather I spend my time working on methods to map microformats to RDFa rather than embedding microformats in RDFa ←
15:08:50 <Zakim> -msporny
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15:09:28 <Zakim> + +1.540.641.aabb
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15:09:38 <msporny> zakim, I am +1.540.641.aabb
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Unknown msporny: zakim, I am +1.540.641.aabb ←
15:09:38 <Zakim> +msporny; got it
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15:10:18 <Ralph> Manu: ... they'd like a mapping mechanism defined that each microformats parser could use
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Unknown Manu_Sporny: ... they'd like a mapping mechanism defined that each microformats parser could use [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
15:10:49 <Ralph> ... but I have also been contacted off-line by some saying a unified markup mechanism is better than a mapping mechanism
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Unknown Ralph: ... but I have also been contacted off-line by some saying a unified markup mechanism is better than a mapping mechanism ←
15:11:23 <Ralph> [CONTINUES] ACTION: Manu to write summary for Semantic Web Use Cases for Ivan. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/28-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]
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Unknown Ralph: [CONTINUES] ACTION: Manu to write summary for Semantic Web Use Cases for Ivan. [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/08/28-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←
15:11:35 <Ralph> [DONE] ACTION: Ralph update draft response to Noah [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/28-rdfa-minutes.html#action22]
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Unknown Ralph: [DONE] ACTION: Ralph update draft response to Noah [recorded in ACTION-22]">http://www.w3.org/2008/08/28-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-22] ←
15:12:08 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Aug/0127.html Re: Comments on RDFa in XHTML: Syntax and processing [Ralph 2008-08-28]
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Unknown Ralph: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Aug/0127.html Re: Comments on RDFa in XHTML: Syntax and processing [Ralph 2008-08-28] ←
15:12:34 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Jeremy review and consider expanding the description of TopBraid in the RDFa wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action24]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Jeremy review and consider expanding the description of TopBraid in the RDFa wiki [recorded in ACTION-24]">http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-24] ←
15:12:41 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Jeremy to demonstrate GRDDL with XHTML/RDFa once the NS URI is set up. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Jeremy to demonstrate GRDDL with XHTML/RDFa once the NS URI is set up. [recorded in ACTION-07]">http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-07] ←
15:12:58 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Manu talk with Jamie McCarthy about an AskSlashdot piece [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action22]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Manu talk with Jamie McCarthy about an AskSlashdot piece [recorded in ACTION-22]">http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-22] ←
15:13:16 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Manu talk with Michael Smethurst at BBC about RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action23]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Manu talk with Michael Smethurst at BBC about RDFa [recorded in ACTION-23]">http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-23] ←
15:13:25 <Ralph> Manu: I have sent email to Michael, waiting to hear back
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Unknown Manu_Sporny: I have sent email to Michael, waiting to hear back [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
15:13:43 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Manu to create test cases for testing relative URI resolution (href/CURIEs/etc). [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action22]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Manu to create test cases for testing relative URI resolution (href/CURIEs/etc). [recorded in ACTION-22]">http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-22] ←
15:14:53 <Ralph> Ralph: if we want to update the Implementation Report again I think we should freeze the current one and start a new dated version
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Unknown Ralph: if we want to update the Implementation Report again I think we should freeze the current one and start a new dated version [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
15:15:04 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Manu write a pending test case for literal property and no child nodes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action02]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Manu write a pending test case for literal property and no child nodes [recorded in ACTION-02]">http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-02] ←
15:15:11 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action03]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Manu write the perl code for Slashdot [recorded in ACTION-03]">http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-03] ←
15:15:27 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Mark create base wizard suitable for cloning [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←
15:15:41 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Mark write foaf examples for wiki [recorded in ACTION-07]">http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-07] ←
15:15:50 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←
15:16:17 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph prepare to summarize new W3C test suite license on 28 Aug [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action03]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph prepare to summarize new W3C test suite license on 28 Aug [recorded in ACTION-03]">http://www.w3.org/2008/08/21-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-03] ←
15:16:33 <Ralph> Shane: do we need to change our test suite?
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Unknown Shane: do we need to change our test suite? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
15:16:35 <Ralph> Ralph: no
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Unknown Ralph: no [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
15:16:44 <Ralph> Shane: then this action is done to my satisfaction
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Unknown Shane: then this action is done to my satisfaction [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
15:16:48 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph think about RSS+RDFa [recorded in ACTION-11]">http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-11] ←
15:16:53 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to make http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt happen [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action05]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph to make http://www.w3.org/2008/07/rdfa-xslt happen [recorded in ACTION-05]">http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-05] ←
15:17:09 <Ralph> [DONE] ACTION: Shane to start a wiki page for HTML4/5 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action21]
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Unknown Ralph: [DONE] ACTION: Shane to start a wiki page for HTML4/5 [recorded in ACTION-21]">http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-21] ←
15:17:16 <Ralph> -> @@
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Unknown Ralph: -> @@ ←
15:17:21 <Ralph> Shane: there are 3 of them
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Unknown Shane: there are 3 of them [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
15:17:25 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Shane to update XHTML ns document to point to new XSLT URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
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Unknown Ralph: [PENDING] ACTION: Shane to update XHTML ns document to point to new XSLT URI [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] ←
15:17:32 <Ralph> [DONE] ACTION: Shane to write home page for SPREAD. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]
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Unknown Ralph: [DONE] ACTION: Shane to write home page for SPREAD. [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←
15:17:35 <Ralph> -> @@
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Unknown Ralph: -> @@ ←
15:17:38 <ShaneM> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/rdfa
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Unknown ShaneM: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/rdfa ←
15:17:50 <Ralph> Topic: Status of this Task Force
15:18:22 <msporny> scribenick: msporny
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15:18:34 <msporny> Ralph: The Task force is under both XHTML2 and SWD
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Unknown Ralph: The Task force is under both XHTML2 and SWD ←
15:18:44 <msporny> Ralph: So, most of us are members of one or the other.
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Unknown Ralph: So, most of us are members of one or the other. ←
15:18:56 <msporny> Ralph: This task force exists as long as the other two WGs exist.
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Unknown Ralph: This task force exists as long as the other two WGs exist. ←
15:19:06 <msporny> Ralph: Both charters refer explicitly to XHTML.
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Unknown Ralph: Both charters refer explicitly to XHTML. ←
15:19:21 <msporny> Ralph: More directly, the deployment WG charter expires in December.
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Unknown Ralph: More directly, the deployment WG charter expires in December. ←
15:19:29 <msporny> Ralph: We're probably not going to extend it.
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Unknown Ralph: We're probably not going to extend it. ←
15:19:46 <msporny> Ralph: We have 4 major things on the deliverables list, RDFa was one of them.
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Unknown Ralph: We have 4 major things on the deliverables list, RDFa was one of them. ←
15:19:53 <msporny> Ralph: They will probably want to focus on SKOS.
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Unknown Ralph: They will probably want to focus on SKOS. ←
15:20:18 <msporny> Ralph: That doesn't need to stop us from talking about outreach, tutorials, wiki, etc.
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Unknown Ralph: That doesn't need to stop us from talking about outreach, tutorials, wiki, etc. ←
15:20:39 <msporny> Ralph: We would not find much support on SWD to extend RDFa work beyond Dec.
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Unknown Ralph: We would not find much support on SWD to extend RDFa work beyond Dec. ←
15:20:54 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/swdwg-charter SWD WG charter
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Unknown Ralph: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/swdwg-charter SWD WG charter ←
15:21:18 <msporny> Ralph: Hmm, point #5 in deliverables
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Unknown Ralph: Hmm, point #5 in deliverables ←
15:21:25 <Ralph> "5. A W3C Technical Report (Working Group Note or Recommendation) specifying how to incorporate RDF semantics into HTML documents."
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Unknown Ralph: "5. A W3C Technical Report (Working Group Note or Recommendation) specifying how to incorporate RDF semantics into HTML documents." ←
15:21:27 <msporny> Ralph: Specifying how to incorporate RDF into HTML documents.
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Unknown Ralph: Specifying how to incorporate RDF into HTML documents. ←
15:21:39 <Steven> XHTML2 charter says the same
Unknown Steven_Pemberton: XHTML2 charter says the same ←
15:22:03 <Steven> "RDFa, (including CURIEs) for incorporating rich (meta)data semantics into HTML documents in a way that accommodates the use of independently-developed ontologies in combination. RDFa will be developed in cooperation with the Semantic Web Deployment WG"
Unknown Steven_Pemberton: "RDFa, (including CURIEs) for incorporating rich (meta)data semantics into HTML documents in a way that accommodates the use of independently-developed ontologies in combination. RDFa will be developed in cooperation with the Semantic Web Deployment WG" ←
15:22:39 <Steven> In those days HTML means XHTML
Unknown Steven_Pemberton: In those days HTML meant XHTML ←
15:22:50 <Steven> s/means/meant/
15:22:54 <msporny> Ralph: I think it's clear that we'd get pushback if we said XHTML charter applies to HTML4/5.
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Unknown Ralph: I think it's clear that we'd get pushback if we said XHTML charter applies to HTML4/5. ←
15:23:04 <msporny> Ralph: For RDFa 1.1, I wouldn't export any support from deployment WG.
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Unknown Ralph: For RDFa 1.1, I wouldn't export any support from deployment WG. ←
15:23:17 <msporny> Ralph: For doing RDF in non-XHTML, I think we get different pushback.
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Unknown Ralph: For doing RDF in non-XHTML, I think we get different pushback. ←
15:23:39 <msporny> Ralph: We should be proposing a new charter for what we would want to do.
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Unknown Ralph: We should be proposing a new charter for what we would want to do. ←
15:24:10 <Steven> We are chartered til end 2009
Unknown Steven_Pemberton: We are chartered til end 2009 ←
15:24:21 <msporny> ShaneM: If we're talking about RDFa 1.1 and the XML space...
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Unknown ShaneM: If we're talking about RDFa 1.1 and the XML space... ←
15:24:33 <Ralph> Shane: I think for RDFa + XML work we could continue under the auspices of the XHTML2 WG for as long as we want
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Unknown Shane: I think for RDFa + XML work we could continue under the auspices of the XHTML2 WG for as long as we want [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
15:24:34 <msporny> Steven: Happy to carry on with RDFa until end of XHTML2 charter - end of next year.
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Unknown Steven_Pemberton: Happy to carry on with RDFa until end of XHTML2 charter - end of next year. ←
15:24:49 <msporny> scribenick: ralph
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15:25:15 <msporny> Ralph: Steven, Mark, Shane - do you have a feeling on what you'd like to do.
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Unknown Ralph: Steven, Mark, Shane - do you have a feeling on what you'd like to do. ←
15:25:37 <msporny> Ralph: Any reason to continue it under XHTML2 WG?
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Unknown Ralph: Any reason to continue it under XHTML2 WG? ←
15:25:45 <msporny> Ralph: or would you prefer to split it off?
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Unknown Ralph: or would you prefer to split it off? ←
15:25:51 <msporny> Steven: Haven't thought about it.
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Unknown Steven_Pemberton: Haven't thought about it. ←
15:26:01 <msporny> Ralph: My bias is to make it a separate group.
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Unknown Ralph: My bias is to make it a separate group. ←
15:26:13 <msporny> Ralph: It'll be tough to get some folks to join XHTML2 WG.
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Unknown Ralph: It'll be tough to get some folks to join XHTML2 WG. ←
15:26:34 <msporny> Ralph: SWD has 4 separate tasks, with not much interaction between each task.
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Unknown Ralph: SWD has 4 separate tasks, with not much interaction between each task. ←
15:26:48 <msporny> Steven: This is the reason XForms got created, it makes sense.
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Unknown Steven_Pemberton: This is the reason XForms got created, it makes sense. ←
15:27:07 <msporny> Ralph: How soon should we admit that we're starting work on RDFa 1.1?
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Unknown Ralph: How soon should we admit that we're starting work on RDFa 1.1? ←
15:27:18 <ShaneM> I don't mind if this activity became its own working group....
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Unknown ShaneM: I don't mind if this activity became its own working group.... ←
15:27:45 <msporny> Ralph: The con is fairly big to start on the next version too soon.
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Unknown Ralph: The con is fairly big to start on the next version too soon. ←
15:27:47 <markbirbeck> +1 To that
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Unknown markbirbeck: +1 To that ←
15:27:56 <msporny> Ralph: Creates too many opportunities for FUD.
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Unknown Ralph: Creates too many opportunities for FUD. ←
15:27:59 <markbirbeck> not sure what's going into 1.1
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Unknown markbirbeck: not sure what's going into 1.1 ←
15:28:34 <msporny> markbirbeck: If we have an ongoing, general charter, it might be okay.
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Unknown markbirbeck: If we have an ongoing, general charter, it might be okay. ←
15:28:53 <msporny> markbirbeck: To tell people that there is stuff to add to RDFa feels a bit odd.
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Unknown markbirbeck: To tell people that there is stuff to add to RDFa feels a bit odd. ←
15:29:19 <msporny> ShaneM: Agree - let it sit for a little while.
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Unknown ShaneM: Agree - let it sit for a little while. ←
15:29:30 <msporny> ShaneM: I think we could extend it, it works fine.
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Unknown ShaneM: I think we could extend it, it works fine. ←
15:29:36 <Ralph> Ralph: there is stuff we have deferred; syntax for lists
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Unknown Ralph: there is stuff we have deferred; syntax for lists [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
15:29:36 <msporny> ShaneM: Works fine as is.
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Unknown ShaneM: Works fine as is. ←
15:29:43 <markbirbeck> q+
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Unknown markbirbeck: q+ ←
15:29:50 <msporny> ack ralph
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ack ralph ←
15:30:20 <msporny> Ralph: There are certainly features of RDF, that we don't have features for in RDFa.
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Unknown Ralph: There are certainly features of RDF, that we don't have features for in RDFa. ←
15:30:49 <msporny> Ralph: I think our message should be that "We recognize that there are more features to add in RDFa, but we want to see how RDFa does in the field". We need deployment experience.
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Unknown Ralph: I think our message should be that "We recognize that there are more features to add in RDFa, but we want to see how RDFa does in the field". We need deployment experience to set the feature priorities. ←
15:30:51 <msporny> ack mark
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ack mark ←
15:31:03 <ShaneM> I think we need to support HTML - I don't mind how we do that.
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Unknown ShaneM: I think we need to support HTML - I don't mind how we do that. ←
15:31:03 <Ralph> s/experience/experience to set the feature priorities
15:31:24 <Steven> (It will always be an extra call :-) )
Unknown Steven_Pemberton: (It will always be an extra call :-) ) ←
15:31:33 <Ralph> Mark: we could consider offering our experience to other groups
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Unknown Mark_Birbeck: we could consider offering our experience to other groups [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
15:31:36 <Ralph> ... e.g. ATOM
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Unknown Ralph: ... e.g. ATOM ←
15:31:50 <msporny> markbirbeck: This is time consuming for some people in this group. Perhaps we should focus on helping others get this right.
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Unknown markbirbeck: This is time consuming for some people in this group. Perhaps we should focus on helping others get this right. ←
15:31:56 <Ralph> ... we could add to our Wiki list of broader RDFa deployments; not just XHTML
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Unknown Ralph: ... we could add to our Wiki list of broader RDFa deployments; not just XHTML ←
15:32:10 <msporny> markbirbeck: It's not just the processors, it has to do with XHTML+RDFa.
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Unknown markbirbeck: It's not just the processors, it has to do with XHTML+RDFa. ←
15:32:12 <ShaneM> evangelism is important too - we need to find a way to continue our marketing efforts about RDFa.
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Unknown ShaneM: evangelism is important too - we need to find a way to continue our marketing efforts about RDFa. ←
15:32:13 <Ralph> ... the processors we're currently documenting are all XHTML+RDFa
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Unknown Ralph: ... the processors we're currently documenting are all XHTML+RDFa ←
15:32:32 <Ralph> ... we should continue to evangelize
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Unknown Ralph: ... we should continue to evangelize ←
15:32:39 <msporny> scribenick: Ralph
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15:32:41 <Steven> That sounds like an interest group
Unknown Steven_Pemberton: That sounds like an interest group ←
15:32:44 <Ralph> ... but also extending the notion of 'deployment'
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... but also extending the notion of 'deployment' ←
15:32:58 <Ralph> ... maybe this does require a Group
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... maybe this does require a Group ←
15:33:25 <ShaneM> +1 for an interest group
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Unknown ShaneM: +1 for an interest group ←
15:34:06 <Ralph> Steven: Interest Groups are usually much lighter-weight
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Unknown Steven_Pemberton: Interest Groups are usually much lighter-weight ←
15:34:13 <ShaneM> q+ to discuss how we spread the word that this works in HTML
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Unknown ShaneM: q+ to discuss how we spread the word that this works in HTML ←
15:34:26 <Ralph> ... can write the charter to permit non-W3C Members to participate
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... can write the charter to permit non-W3C Members to participate ←
15:34:34 <Ralph> ... an IG is not involved with producing specifications
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... an IG is not involved with producing specifications ←
15:34:48 <Ralph> Manu: I want to be sure that we can speak with some W3C authority when we talk with other communities
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Unknown Manu_Sporny: I want to be sure that we can speak with some W3C authority when we talk with other communities ←
15:35:11 <Ralph> ... the microformats community does respect other standards
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... the microformats community does respect other standards ←
15:35:24 <Ralph> ... so it's important to be able to speak as a W3C standards group
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... so it's important to be able to speak as a W3C standards group ←
15:35:38 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to discuss how we spread the word that this works in HTML
Zakim IRC Bot: ShaneM, you wanted to discuss how we spread the word that this works in HTML ←
15:36:00 <Ralph> Shane: regardless of what we call the activity, it would be nice to have a way to spread the word that there's a way to use this with HTML; this is a 'today' problem
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Unknown Shane: regardless of what we call the activity, it would be nice to have a way to spread the word that there's a way to use this with HTML; this is a 'today' problem ←
15:39:44 <ShaneM> To see my rant look at http://halindrome.blogsopt.com/
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Unknown ShaneM: To see my rant look at http://halindrome.blogspot.com/ ←
15:40:00 <ShaneM> s/blogsopt/blogspot/
15:41:18 <ShaneM> While we are not obligated to continue meeting, we have charter to do so through December 2008.
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Unknown ShaneM: While we are not obligated to continue meeting, we have charter to do so through December 2008. ←
15:41:47 <Ralph> Topic: RDFa Parser Reserved Word Extension Mechanism
15:42:00 <Ralph> -> http://rdfa.info/wiki/RDFa_Vocabularies RDFa Vocabularies
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-> http://rdfa.info/wiki/RDFa_Vocabularies RDFa Vocabularies ←
15:42:13 <Ralph> Manu: Shane, Mark, and I have been looking at this idea recently
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Unknown Manu_Sporny: Shane, Mark, and I have been looking at this idea recently ←
15:42:27 <Ralph> ... the idea is to be able to incorporate some microformat words
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... the idea is to be able to incorporate some microformat words ←
15:42:27 <msporny> http://rdfa.info/wiki/RDFa_Vocabularies
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Unknown msporny: http://rdfa.info/wiki/RDFa_Vocabularies ←
15:42:38 <ShaneM> total straw man proposal - nothing set in stone
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Unknown ShaneM: total straw man proposal - nothing set in stone ←
15:42:49 <Ralph> ... we have an outline of a proposal
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... we have an outline of a proposal ←
15:43:12 <Ralph> Mark: this hasn't just come up recently; it's been in the air for a long time
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Unknown Mark_Birbeck: this hasn't just come up recently; it's been in the air for a long time ←
15:43:17 <Ralph> ... it's not just about microformats
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... it's not just about microformats ←
15:43:31 <Ralph> ... it just happens that certain tweaks would make things easier for microformat folk
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... it just happens that certain tweaks would make things easier for microformat folk ←
15:43:41 <Ralph> ... but it's really more about extending CURIEs rather than extending RDFa
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... but it's really more about extending CURIEs rather than extending RDFa ←
15:43:46 <Ralph> ... we have to be careful not to skew this
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... we have to be careful not to skew this ←
15:44:16 <Ralph> ... the way it's being proposed at the moment it sounds as though we're inviting lots of input from microformats community
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... the way it's being proposed at the moment it sounds as though we're inviting lots of input from microformats community ←
15:44:37 <Ralph> ... it could sound like we're proposing to incorporate microformats and that's not what we're saying
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... it could sound like we're proposing to incorporate microformats and that's not what we're saying ←
15:44:50 <Ralph> ... the idea is to provide a mechanism for allowing people to use more unprefixed terms
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... the idea is to provide a mechanism for allowing people to use more unprefixed terms ←
15:45:05 <Ralph> ... that's sort-of what microformats does
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... that's sort-of what microformats does ←
15:45:20 <Ralph> ... the current idea is to provide a mechanism for others to define unprefixed values
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... the current idea is to provide a mechanism for others to define unprefixed values ←
15:45:23 <ShaneM> q+ to discuss how we present this idea
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Unknown ShaneM: q+ to discuss how we present this idea ←
15:45:24 <Ralph> ... let's present it that way
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... let's present it that way ←
15:45:45 <Ralph> ... and note that if you're a microformats person, this new mechanism looks a lot like microformats
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... and note that if you're a microformats person, this new mechanism looks a lot like microformats ←
15:46:30 <Ralph> Manu: agree, but we're also trying to win over the HTML5 community and the microformats community so let's no lose sight of that
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Unknown Manu_Sporny: agree, but we're also trying to win over the HTML5 community and the microformats community so let's not lose sight of that ←
15:46:58 <Ralph> ... do we need @prefix or does the @xmlns work expand to do this?
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... do we need @prefix or does the @xmlns work expand to do this? ←
15:47:05 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to discuss how we present this idea
Zakim IRC Bot: ShaneM, you wanted to discuss how we present this idea ←
15:47:27 <Ralph> Shane: agree with Mark that there's not much new in this proposal
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Unknown Shane: agree with Mark that there's not much new in this proposal ←
15:48:08 <Ralph> ... my immediate goal was just to write a page that speaks to the microformats people
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... my immediate goal was just to write a page that speaks to the microformats people ←
15:48:24 <Steven> s/no lose/not lose/
15:48:26 <Ralph> ... in a presentation that would resonate with that community
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... in a presentation that would resonate with that community ←
15:49:59 <ShaneM> @prefix or @xmlns is just a way of defining a "prefix" property
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Unknown ShaneM: @prefix or @xmlns is just a way of defining a "prefix" property ←
15:50:13 <Ralph> Mark: I cited @@ an idea to flip CURIEs on their head
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Unknown Mark_Birbeck: I cited @@ an idea to flip CURIEs on their head ←
15:50:46 <Ralph> ... it occurred to me that if we were to say there is a substitution string X that _sometimes_ has a suffix
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... it occurred to me that if we were to say there is a substitution string X that _sometimes_ has a suffix ←
15:51:08 <Ralph> ... there would no longer be 'unprefixed' values; there would just be mappings to URIs
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... there would no longer be 'unprefixed' values; there would just be mappings to URIs ←
15:51:20 <Ralph> ... everything becomes a mapping, including @rel='next'
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... everything becomes a mapping, including @rel='next' ←
15:51:35 <Ralph> ... @rel='next' is currently a mapping because we have explicitly said so
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... @rel='next' is currently a mapping because we have explicitly said so ←
15:51:54 <Steven> rel="alternate"
Unknown Steven_Pemberton: rel="alternate" ←
15:52:02 <ShaneM> A CURIE is a TOKEN - all TOKENs have mappings. How those are established is... magic?
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Unknown ShaneM: A CURIE is a TOKEN - all TOKENs have mappings. How those are established is... magic? ←
15:52:03 <Steven> rel="alternate:stylesheet"
Unknown Steven_Pemberton: rel="alternate:stylesheet" ←
15:52:04 <Ralph> ... if we say 'x' and 'x:y' are both CURIEs then the mapping mechanism handles both
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... if we say 'x' and 'x:y' are both CURIEs then the mapping mechanism handles both ←
15:52:22 <Ralph> ... we'd still need to define how to declare mappings
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... we'd still need to define how to declare mappings ←
15:53:18 <Ralph> ... connects to an older idea of Shane's to use this as a mechanism for defining vocabularies
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... connects to an older idea of Shane's to use this as a mechanism for defining vocabularies ←
15:53:23 <markbirbeck> rel="x"
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Unknown markbirbeck: rel="x" ←
15:53:35 <Ralph> ... consider CURIE as a substitution mechanism for substituting a longer string for a shorter one
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... consider CURIE as a substitution mechanism for substituting a longer string for a shorter one ←
15:53:37 <markbirbeck> x:y
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Unknown x: y [ Scribe Assist by Unknown markbirbeck ] ←
15:53:54 <Ralph> ... a secondary feature is that ':' just means concatenation
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... a secondary feature is that ':' just means concatenation ←
15:54:09 <Steven> rel="alternate" rel="alternate:stylesheet"
Unknown Steven_Pemberton: rel="alternate" rel="alternate:stylesheet" ←
15:54:14 <Ralph> ... this would be compatible with RDFa as RDFa only uses the x:y format
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... this would be compatible with RDFa as RDFa only uses the x:y format ←
15:54:21 <markbirbeck> typeof="hcard"
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Unknown markbirbeck: typeof="hcard" ←
15:54:39 <Ralph> ... and would make @typeof='hcard' not look like a hack
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... and would make @typeof='hcard' not look like a hack ←
15:54:46 <Steven> I like it
Unknown Steven_Pemberton: I like it ←
15:55:01 <Ralph> Shane: I don't disagree but this looks like a mental model that's not inconsistent with the current model
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Unknown Shane: I don't disagree but this looks like a mental model that's not inconsistent with the current model ←
15:55:35 <Ralph> ... in terms of the way CURIE is currently defined, these are unprefixed values
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... in terms of the way CURIE is currently defined, these are unprefixed values ←
15:55:55 <Ralph> Mark: the spec currently enumerates a list of unprefixed values and says how to map them
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Unknown Mark_Birbeck: the spec currently enumerates a list of unprefixed values and says how to map them ←
15:56:04 <Ralph> Shane: only for RDFa+XHTML; no one else has reserved words
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Unknown Shane: only for RDFa+XHTML; not for any other has reserved words ←
15:56:16 <Ralph> s/no one else/not for any other/
15:57:08 <Ralph> Ralph: the hard thing is for strings without ':' to come from several vocabularies
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Unknown Ralph: the hard thing is for strings without ':' to come from several vocabularies ←
15:57:14 <markbirbeck> "A host language MAY interpret a reference value that is not preceded by a prefix and a colon as being a member of a host-language defined set of reserved values. Such reserved values MUST translate into an IRI, just as with any other CURIE."
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Unknown markbirbeck: "A host language MAY interpret a reference value that is not preceded by a prefix and a colon as being a member of a host-language defined set of reserved values. Such reserved values MUST translate into an IRI, just as with any other CURIE." ←
15:57:28 <Ralph> Shane: this _can_ be viewed as a preprocessing step
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Unknown Shane: this _can_ be viewed as a preprocessing step ←
15:58:12 <Ralph> Mark: what's missing from the current CURIE language is specification of a mechanism for getting new reserved values
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Unknown Mark_Birbeck: what's missing from the current CURIE language is specification of a mechanism for getting new reserved values ←
15:58:47 <Ralph> ... I'd put the preprocessing language in with a view that we'd later have to resolve how to define new reserved words
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... I'd put the preprocessing language in with a view that we'd later have to resolve how to define new reserved words ←
15:59:23 <markbirbeck> xmlns:hcard="...."
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Unknown xmlns: hcard="...." [ Scribe Assist by Unknown markbirbeck ] ←
15:59:33 <Ralph> ... my realization the other day is to think of x: as a mapping
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... my realization the other day is to think of x: as a mapping ←
15:59:34 <markbirbeck> typeof="hcard"
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Unknown markbirbeck: typeof="hcard" ←
15:59:56 <Ralph> ... I think this simply works in our current processing model with just slight changes in CURIE
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... I think this simply works in our current processing model with just slight changes in CURIE ←
16:00:12 <Ralph> ... no pre-defined tokens; xmlns:hcard defines the token
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... no pre-defined tokens; xmlns:hcard defines the token ←
16:00:40 <Ralph> Manu: so the mechanism we'd use to do this -- whether @xmlns or @prefix -- would lift out each of the current reserved tokens?
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Unknown Manu_Sporny: so the mechanism we'd use to do this -- whether @xmlns or @prefix -- would lift out each of the current reserved tokens? ←
16:00:57 <Ralph> Mark: we've discussed a separate mechanism for adding to the predefined tokens
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Unknown Mark_Birbeck: we've discussed a separate mechanism for adding to the predefined tokens ←
16:01:10 <markbirbeck> typeof="hcard:"
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Unknown markbirbeck: typeof="hcard:" ←
16:01:16 <Ralph> ... but if I do ...
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... but if I do ... ←
16:01:39 <Ralph> ... folk would understand this as nearly what microformats currently does but with an ugly ':' on the end
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... folk would understand this as nearly what microformats currently does but with an ugly ':' on the end ←
16:01:52 <Ralph> ... it works with the _current_ processing model
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... it works with the _current_ processing model ←
16:01:56 <markbirbeck> "x:" "y"
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Unknown markbirbeck: "x:" "y" ←
16:02:01 <markbirbeck> "x" ":y"
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Unknown markbirbeck: "x" ":y" ←
16:02:25 <Ralph> ... so the mapping is defined even without a ':'
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... so the mapping is defined even without a ':' ←
16:02:33 <Steven> that means we could preload foaf dc and so on
Unknown Steven_Pemberton: that means we could preload foaf dc and so on ←
16:02:43 <Steven> as well
Unknown Steven_Pemberton: as well ←
16:02:52 <markbirbeck> x a :b
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Unknown markbirbeck: x a :b ←
16:03:12 <markbirbeck> xmlns:a="http://...type"
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Unknown xmlns: a="http://...type" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown markbirbeck ] ←
16:03:17 <markbirbeck> a:
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Unknown a: [ Scribe Assist by Unknown markbirbeck ] ←
16:03:22 <markbirbeck> a
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Unknown markbirbeck: a ←
16:03:35 <Steven> nice discussion
Unknown Steven_Pemberton: nice discussion ←
16:03:55 <Ralph> Mark: I suggest we discuss this in its own terms and not tie it so closely to microformats
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Unknown Mark_Birbeck: I suggest we discuss this in its own terms and not tie it so closely to microformats ←
16:04:09 <Ralph> ... looking at N3, essentially it's defining substitution tokens
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... looking at N3, essentially it's defining substitution tokens ←
16:04:39 <Ralph> ... I'll write this up in mail
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... I'll write this up in mail ←
16:04:40 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
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16:04:41 <Zakim> -Steven
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16:04:42 <Ralph> [adjourned]
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[adjourned] ←
16:04:43 <Zakim> -ShaneM
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16:04:51 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
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16:04:53 <Zakim> Attendees were ShaneM, Ralph, msporny, Steven, +0208761aaaa, markbirbeck, +1.540.641.aabb
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16:04:55 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes
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rrsagent, please draft minutes ←
16:04:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph
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16:05:37 <Ralph> zakim, bye
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zakim, bye ←
16:42:00 <Ralph> PR is published
Scribe problem: the name 'Ralph' does not match any of the 6 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Manu_Sporny Unknown Mark_Birbeck Unknown Steven_Pemberton Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Ralph' does not match any of the 6 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Manu_Sporny Unknown Mark_Birbeck Unknown Steven_Pemberton Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
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PR is published ←
16:42:04 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
Scribe problem: the name 'Ralph' does not match any of the 6 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Manu_Sporny Unknown Mark_Birbeck Unknown Steven_Pemberton Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Ralph' does not match any of the 6 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Manu_Sporny Unknown Mark_Birbeck Unknown Steven_Pemberton Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
rrsagent, bye ←
16:42:04 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
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