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15:59:24 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-irc
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15:59:32 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
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Unknown Steven: rrsagent, make log public ←
15:59:37 <Steven> zakim, this will be rdfa
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Unknown Steven: zakim, this will be rdfa ←
15:59:37 <Zakim> ok, Steven; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute ←
16:00:03 <Steven> Meeting: Weekly RDFa Teleconference
16:00:07 <Steven> Chair: Ben
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16:00:16 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
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Unknown Steven: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
16:00:16 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
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Unknown Steven: zakim, dial steven-617 ←
16:00:16 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←
16:00:17 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Steven; the call is being made ←
16:00:18 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started ←
16:00:19 <Zakim> +Steven
Zakim IRC Bot: +Steven ←
16:00:47 <Zakim> +Ralph
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ralph ←
16:00:53 <msporny> morning, Ralph :)
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Unknown msporny: morning, Ralph :) ←
16:01:37 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0259
16:01:46 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0259
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Unknown Steven: Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0259 ←
16:02:22 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2008-01-17
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Unknown Ralph: -> http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2008-01-17 ←
16:02:24 <msporny> hmm... why can't I call in? RDFA# - passcode is not valid?
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Unknown msporny: hmm... why can't I call in? RDFA# - passcode is not valid? ←
16:02:32 <Zakim> +??P42
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P42 ←
16:02:44 <Ralph> skype issue, Manu?
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Unknown Ralph: skype issue, Manu? ←
16:02:47 <mhausenblas> Zakim, P42 is me
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Unknown mhausenblas: Zakim, P42 is me ←
16:02:47 <Zakim> sorry, mhausenblas, I do not recognize a party named 'P42'
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16:02:54 <msporny> perhaps....?
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Unknown msporny: perhaps....? ←
16:02:54 <mhausenblas> Zakim, ??P42 is me
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Unknown mhausenblas: Zakim, ??P42 is me ←
16:02:54 <Zakim> +mhausenblas; got it
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16:02:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
16:03:07 <Ralph> zakim, ipcaller is Manu
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Unknown Ralph: zakim, ipcaller is Manu ←
16:03:07 <Zakim> +Manu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Manu; got it ←
16:03:08 <Steven> -> Previous http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-rdfa-minutes.html
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Unknown Steven: -> Previous http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-rdfa-minutes.html ←
16:04:03 <Zakim> +Ben
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16:04:07 <Zakim> +??P49
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16:04:19 <ShaneM> zakim, ??P49 is ShaneM
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16:04:19 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
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16:05:31 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
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16:05:31 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck ←
16:05:47 <Ralph> Steven: note that the just-published HTML 5 WD proposes a registry for @rel values
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Unknown Steven: note that the just-published HTML 5 WD proposes a registry for @rel values [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:06:06 <Zakim> +??P2
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16:06:10 <msporny> http://riese.joanneum.at/data/economy/ -> issues with displaying in Firefox, Michael...
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Unknown msporny: http://riese.joanneum.at/data/economy/ -> issues with displaying in Firefox, Michael... ←
16:06:11 <Ralph> ... I think we need to keep an eye on this and seed the idea of using URIs as @rel values, perhaps shortened in some way :)
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Unknown Ralph: ... I think we need to keep an eye on this and seed the idea of using URIs as @rel values, perhaps shortened in some way :) ←
16:06:12 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?
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Unknown markbirbeck: zakim, i am ? ←
16:06:12 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
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16:06:36 <benadida> zakim, pick a victim
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Unknown benadida: zakim, pick a victim ←
16:06:36 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Manu
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Manu ←
16:08:05 <Ralph> s|riese.joanneum.at||
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Unknown Ralph: s|riese.joanneum.at|| ←
16:09:09 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-html5-20080122/#other0 HTML 5 WD proposed mechanism for registering @rel values
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Unknown Ralph: -> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-html5-20080122/#other0 HTML 5 WD proposed mechanism for registering @rel values ←
16:09:33 <msporny> Ralph, do you want me to attempt scribing?
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Unknown msporny: Ralph, do you want me to attempt scribing? ←
16:09:58 <Ralph> what's your preference, Manu? how much of the agenda today will you need to speak to?
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Unknown Ralph: what's your preference, Manu? how much of the agenda today will you need to speak to? ←
16:10:03 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc
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Unknown mhausenblas: http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc ←
16:10:31 <Steven> XML parsing failed
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Unknown Steven: XML parsing failed ←
16:10:31 <Steven>
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Unknown Steven: ←
16:10:31 <Steven> XML parsing failed: syntax error (Line: 3, Character: 0)
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Unknown Steven: XML parsing failed: syntax error (Line: 3, Character: 0) ←
16:10:31 <Steven>
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Unknown Steven: ←
16:10:32 <Steven> Reparse document as HTML
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Unknown Steven: Reparse document as HTML ←
16:10:33 <msporny> not much, I don't think... if you can give me some hints as we go along... that would be great.
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Unknown msporny: not much, I don't think... if you can give me some hints as we go along... that would be great. ←
16:10:34 <Steven> Error:missing root element
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Unknown Error: missing root element [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Steven ] ←
16:10:36 <Steven> Specification:http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml/
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Unknown Specification: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml/ [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Steven ] ←
16:10:38 <Steven> 1: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
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Unknown Steven: 1: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> ←
16:10:40 <Steven> 2: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML+RDFa 1.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/DTD/xhtml-rdfa-1.dtd">
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Unknown Steven: 2: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML+RDFa 1.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/DTD/xhtml-rdfa-1.dtd"> ←
16:10:41 <Ralph> scribenick: msporny
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(Scribe set to Unknown msporny)
16:10:45 <Ralph> Scribe: Manu
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(Scribe set to Unknown Manu)
16:11:21 <msporny> Topic: Agenda
16:11:45 <msporny> ben: chaining, we should be voting on the whole model
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Unknown ben: chaining, we should be voting on the whole model [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←
16:12:01 <msporny> ben: do people feel like we should be voting on the individual items?
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Unknown ben: do people feel like we should be voting on the individual items? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←
16:12:26 <msporny> michael: do I have to vote? vote yes or no? abstain?
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Unknown michael: do I have to vote? vote yes or no? abstain? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←
16:12:51 <msporny> ... I feel like I don't have a strong enough opinion on some issues.
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Unknown msporny: ... I feel like I don't have a strong enough opinion on some issues. ←
16:13:00 <msporny> ben: fair enough, let's see when we get to voting.
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Unknown ben: fair enough, let's see when we get to voting. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←
16:13:11 <msporny> ralph: voting is meant to be only when we're at an impasse.
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Unknown ralph: voting is meant to be only when we're at an impasse. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←
16:13:21 <msporny> ben: last item on list is @src attribute.
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Unknown ben: last item on list is @src attribute. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←
16:13:38 <msporny> ben: anything else?
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Unknown ben: anything else? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←
16:13:55 <msporny> mark: there are some items that should be voted on separately.
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Unknown mark: there are some items that should be voted on separately. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←
16:14:37 <msporny> thank Ralph... I'm practicing by being verbose :)
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Unknown msporny: thank Ralph... I'm practicing by being verbose :) ←
16:14:58 <msporny> mark: gives examples of some issues.
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Unknown mark: gives examples of some issues. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←
16:15:07 <msporny> ben: any particular order you want?
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Unknown ben: any particular order you want? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←
16:15:50 <msporny> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←
16:15:59 <msporny> -- CONTINUES
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16:16:07 <msporny> ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] ←
16:16:11 <msporny> -- CONTINUES
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16:17:07 <msporny> ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action02]
ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in ACTION-02]">http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-02] ←
16:17:26 <msporny> -- CONTINUES
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16:17:30 <msporny> ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←
16:17:32 <msporny> -- CONTINUES
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16:17:40 <msporny> ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] ←
16:17:51 <msporny> -- CONTINUES
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16:18:00 <msporny> ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] ←
16:18:03 <msporny> -- CONTINUES
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16:18:12 <msporny> ben: nice to know Dublin Core is paying attention to RDFa.
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Unknown ben: nice to know Dublin Core is paying attention to RDFa. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←
16:18:21 <msporny> ben: also nice that people are looking into trackback.
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Unknown ben: also nice that people are looking into trackback. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←
16:18:30 <msporny> ... as a use for RDFa.
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Unknown msporny: ... as a use for RDFa. ←
16:18:51 <msporny> topic: non-prefixed @rel/@rev and reserved words.
16:19:11 <msporny> do I need to use "Topic:" instead of "topic:"?
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Unknown msporny: do I need to use "Topic:" instead of "topic:"? ←
16:19:20 <msporny> ben: we need to understand the end-effect.
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Unknown ben: we need to understand the end-effect. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←
16:19:26 <msporny> ... I think we are in agreement at this point.
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Unknown msporny: ... I think we are in agreement at this point. ←
16:19:45 <msporny> ... @rel/@rev, when it is a reserved XHTML word, it should generate a proper triple.
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Unknown msporny: ... @rel/@rev, when it is a reserved XHTML word, it should generate a proper triple. ←
16:20:10 <msporny> ... non-prefixed XHTML words should be ignored.
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Unknown msporny: ... non-prefixed XHTML words should be ignored. ←
16:20:37 <benadida> PROPOSAL: @rel/@rev non-prefixed values other than reserved keywords are ignored. Reserved keywords resolve to vocab#[keyword].
PROPOSED: @rel/@rev non-prefixed values other than reserved keywords are ignored. Reserved keywords resolve to vocab#[keyword]. ←
16:21:00 <msporny> steven: with the release of HTML5, they have new @rel values
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Unknown steven: with the release of HTML5, they have new @rel values [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←
16:21:11 <msporny> michael: can we decouple that?
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Unknown michael: can we decouple that? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←
16:21:32 <msporny> ben: they do have their own DOCTYPE, so will probably have to tweak a few things.
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Unknown ben: they do have their own DOCTYPE, so will probably have to tweak a few things. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown msporny ] ←
16:22:18 <msporny> how do I note that a proposal passes?
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Unknown msporny: how do I note that a proposal passes? ←
16:22:45 <mhausenblas> +1
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Unknown mhausenblas: +1 ←
16:23:25 <msporny> RESOLVED: @rel/@rev non-prefixed values other than reserved keywords are ignored. Reserved keywords resolve to vocab#[keyword].
RESOLVED: @rel/@rev non-prefixed values other than reserved keywords are ignored. Reserved keywords resolve to vocab#[keyword]. ←
16:23:41 <msporny> ACTION: Ben to update tracker with todays resolutions.
ACTION: Ben to update tracker with todays resolutions. ←
16:24:02 <Ralph> scribenick: ralph
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16:24:11 <Ralph> Topic: test cases
16:24:13 <msporny> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0252.html
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Unknown msporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0252.html ←
16:24:21 <Ralph> -- test 76
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Unknown Ralph: -- test 76 ←
16:24:40 <Ralph> Manu: test 76 checks every one of the @rel reserved values that we currently know
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Unknown Manu: test 76 checks every one of the @rel reserved values that we currently know [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:25:22 <msporny> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0252.html
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Unknown msporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0252.html ←
16:25:30 <Ralph> RESOLVED: test 76 approved
RESOLVED: test 76 approved ←
16:26:11 <Ralph> Manu: the Syntax doc mentioned 'start' but no 'end' or 'last'
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Unknown Manu: the Syntax doc mentioned 'start' but no 'end' or 'last' [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:26:23 <Ralph> ... is that ok?
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Unknown Ralph: ... is that ok? ←
16:26:43 <Ralph> Mark: I think it would be handy; does it hurt?
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Unknown Mark: I think it would be handy; does it hurt? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:27:17 <Ralph> ... also consider putting the GRDDL value in
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Unknown Ralph: ... also consider putting the GRDDL value in ←
16:27:27 <Ralph> Ben: but the GRDDL relation is in a different namespace
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Unknown Ben: but the GRDDL relation is in a different namespace [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:27:44 <Ralph> Mark: oh, right.
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Unknown Mark: oh, right. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:27:56 <Ralph> ... should we test for unrecognized values not generating triples?
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Unknown Ralph: ... should we test for unrecognized values not generating triples? ←
16:28:19 <Ralph> Manu: we don't test for spurious triples; we've said those don't go into the default graph
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Unknown Manu: we don't test for spurious triples; we've said those don't go into the default graph [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:28:23 <Steven> I agree with including 'last'
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Unknown Steven: I agree with including 'last' ←
16:28:49 <Ralph> Michael: we do have a way to say that the 'pass' result is that the query returns no result
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Unknown Michael: we do have a way to say that the 'pass' result is that the query returns no result [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:29:50 <Ralph> Ben: I thought we'd decided to ignore extra triples
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Unknown Ben: I thought we'd decided to ignore extra triples [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:30:09 <Ralph> Mark: during that discussion, Ben made a strong case for "these triples and only these triples"
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Unknown Mark: during that discussion, Ben made a strong case for "these triples and only these triples" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:30:19 <Ralph> ... so we came up with the "default graph" notion
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Unknown Ralph: ... so we came up with the "default graph" notion ←
16:30:40 <Ralph> ... the draft was reworded from "no triples shall be generated" to "no triples shall be added to the default graph"
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Unknown Ralph: ... the draft was reworded from "no triples shall be generated" to "no triples shall be added to the default graph" ←
16:30:53 <Steven> I oppose nofollow
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Unknown Steven: I oppose nofollow ←
16:31:22 <Ralph> Ben: propose adding another test for non-reserved values; this would be a negative test
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Unknown Ben: propose adding another test for non-reserved values; this would be a negative test [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:31:29 <Ralph> ... 'nofollow' would be in the negative set
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Unknown Ralph: ... 'nofollow' would be in the negative set ←
16:31:43 <Ralph> Manu: should we add 'last'?
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Unknown Manu: should we add 'last'? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:31:51 <Ralph> q+
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Unknown Ralph: q+ ←
16:32:05 <Steven> I agree with Ben there
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Unknown Steven: I agree with Ben there ←
16:32:13 <Ralph> Ben: I think this is for the XHTML2 WG to decide, not this TF
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Unknown Ben: I think this is for the XHTML2 WG to decide, not this TF [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:32:49 <Ralph> [Ralph] I agree, out of scope for us
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Unknown Ralph: [Ralph] I agree, out of scope for us ←
16:32:58 <Ralph> Shane: any objections here from the XHTML2 WG folk?
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Unknown Shane: any objections here from the XHTML2 WG folk? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:33:16 <Ralph> ... we'll recommend to the XHTML2 WG to add 'last'
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Unknown Ralph: ... we'll recommend to the XHTML2 WG to add 'last' ←
16:33:29 <Ralph> -- test 77
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Unknown Ralph: -- test 77 ←
16:33:34 <msporny> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0253.html
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Unknown msporny: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0253.html ←
16:33:41 <markbirbeck> Mark: Pointing out that once these are added, they are usable everywhere, not just in <head>. So they would help in lists of any items, for example.
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Unknown Mark: Pointing out that once these are added, they are usable everywhere, not just in <head>. So they would help in lists of any items, for example. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown markbirbeck ] ←
16:33:43 <Ralph> Manu: test 77 tests the reserved words in @rev
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Unknown Manu: test 77 tests the reserved words in @rev [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:34:31 <Ralph> RESOLVED: test 77 accepted
RESOLVED: test 77 accepted ←
16:35:14 <msporny> scribenick: msporny
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(Scribe set to Unknown msporny)
16:35:16 <Ralph> Manu: not sure we reviewed test 17
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Unknown Manu: not sure we reviewed test 17 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
16:35:27 <Ralph> Topic: Chaining
16:35:30 <msporny> Topic: Chaining
16:35:44 <msporny> err, should I take over, Ralph?
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err, should I take over, Ralph? ←
16:35:59 <benadida> --> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0257.html
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Unknown benadida: --> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0257.html ←
16:36:15 <msporny> Ben: There is an e-mail from mark summarizing the issues: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0257.html
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Unknown Ben: There is an e-mail from mark summarizing the issues: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0257.html ←
16:36:27 <msporny> ... rel and rev issues, which we just addressed.
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... rel and rev issues, which we just addressed. ←
16:36:38 <msporny> ... @src/@href/@resource to complete triples.
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... @src/@href/@resource to complete triples. ←
16:36:59 <msporny> ... should we go in order that they're stated in the e-mail?
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... should we go in order that they're stated in the e-mail? ←
16:37:14 <msporny> mark: if everybody agrees to the generic chaining thing, there is nothing to discuss...
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Unknown mark: if everybody agrees to the generic chaining thing, there is nothing to discuss... ←
16:37:37 <msporny> ... if everybody doesn't agree, we have a list of individual items we can talk about.
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... if everybody doesn't agree, we have a list of individual items we can talk about. ←
16:37:52 <msporny> ... you could break it down further
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... you could break it down further ←
16:38:05 <msporny> Ralph, am I the current scribe? (don't know how to check)
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Ralph, am I the current scribe? (don't know how to check) ←
16:38:30 <msporny> ben: lets proceed optimistically, see what the opinions are on the first issue.
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Unknown ben: lets proceed optimistically, see what the opinions are on the first issue. ←
16:38:37 <msporny> ben: if not, we'll slice it down.
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Unknown ben: if not, we'll slice it down. ←
16:38:58 <msporny> mark: closing statements - we have a general algorithm on the table
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Unknown mark: closing statements - we have a general algorithm on the table ←
16:39:26 <msporny> mark: @instanceof always applies to a subject.
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Unknown mark: @instanceof always applies to a subject. ←
16:39:38 <msporny> ... we have things to set the subject, @about/@href/@src.
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... we have things to set the subject, @about/@href/@src. ←
16:40:01 <msporny> ... based on a @rel, subjects either slide left or right of the @rel.
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... based on a @rel, subjects either slide left or right of the @rel. ←
16:40:32 <msporny> ... if we have general rules, we might have some wierd stuff going on.
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... if we have general rules, we might have some wierd stuff going on. ←
16:40:38 <msporny> ben: I think Mark's proposal is very consistent.
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Unknown ben: I think Mark's proposal is very consistent. ←
16:40:50 <msporny> ... my least preferred option is to mix my model and Mark's model.
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... my least preferred option is to mix my model and Mark's model. ←
16:41:00 <msporny> ... there is a different model to interpret chaining,
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... there is a different model to interpret chaining, ←
16:41:07 <msporny> ... @href doesn't complete a hanging rel.
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... @href doesn't complete a hanging rel. ←
16:41:23 <msporny> ... the only time you have it chaining is with @about.
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... the only time you have it chaining is with @about. ←
16:41:39 <msporny> ... my worry is that with attributes shifting left/right, and @href becoming the subject of @property
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... my worry is that with attributes shifting left/right, and @href becoming the subject of @property ←
16:41:45 <msporny> ... it will become more confusing.
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... it will become more confusing. ←
16:42:10 <msporny> ben: any questions?
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Unknown ben: any questions? ←
16:42:32 <msporny> ralph: wondering if there is a summary in a single place showing side-effects of decisions.
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Unknown ralph: wondering if there is a summary in a single place showing side-effects of decisions. ←
16:42:47 <msporny> ben: not really, not as complete...
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Unknown ben: not really, not as complete... ←
16:42:56 <msporny> ... Mark's e-mail is a fair summary of what is going on.
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... Mark's e-mail is a fair summary of what is going on. ←
16:43:11 <msporny> ben: do folks feel confident in the understanding of what is going on?
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Unknown ben: do folks feel confident in the understanding of what is going on? ←
16:43:14 <msporny> ralph: nope
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Unknown ralph: nope ←
16:43:17 <msporny> michael: yep
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Unknown michael: yep ←
16:43:19 <msporny> Manu: yep
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Unknown Manu: yep ←
16:43:36 <msporny> ben: let's start with @href/@resource completing hanging @rel.
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Unknown ben: let's start with @href/@resource completing hanging @rel. ←
16:43:40 <benadida> <div about="http://www.w3.org/peopel/ivan#me" rel="foaf:knows">
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Unknown benadida: <div about="http://www.w3.org/peopel/ivan#me" rel="foaf:knows"> ←
16:43:40 <benadida> <a href="#mark">Mark</a> and <a href="#ben">Ben</a>.
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Unknown benadida: <a href="#mark">Mark</a> and <a href="#ben">Ben</a>. ←
16:43:40 <benadida> Note how I'm using <a href="http://foaf.org">FOAF</a> here.
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Unknown benadida: Note how I'm using <a href="http://foaf.org">FOAF</a> here. ←
16:43:40 <benadida> </div>
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Unknown benadida: </div> ←
16:45:27 <msporny> manu: I'm for @href/@resource completing hanging @rel.
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Unknown manu: I'm for @href/@resource completing hanging @rel. ←
16:45:33 <msporny> michael: yes, for it.
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Unknown michael: yes, for it. ←
16:45:42 <msporny> steven: I can live with either, abstain.
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Unknown steven: I can live with either, abstain. ←
16:45:50 <msporny> shane: I'm abstaining.
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Unknown shane: I'm abstaining. ←
16:45:58 <msporny> ralph: No problem with either, abstain.
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Unknown ralph: No problem with either, abstain. ←
16:46:35 <msporny> ben: i would object, but I would be the only one.
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Unknown ben: i would object, but I would be the only one. ←
16:46:47 <msporny> ben: no reason for me to object at this point.
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Unknown ben: no reason for me to object at this point. ←
16:46:52 <msporny> ... as chair, I'm very happy.
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... as chair, I'm very happy. ←
16:47:14 <benadida> PROPOSAL: @href/@resource complete hanging @rel's
PROPOSED: @href/@resource complete hanging @rel's ←
16:47:20 <msporny> RESOLVED: @href/@resource complete hanging @rel's.
RESOLVED: @href/@resource complete hanging @rel's. ←
16:47:36 <msporny> ben: rel="", should that shut it off?
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Unknown ben: rel="", should that shut it off? ←
16:47:52 <msporny> mark: it works... would we promote it?
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Unknown mark: it works... would we promote it? ←
16:48:08 <msporny> ralph: do the implementations naturally do that?
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Unknown ralph: do the implementations naturally do that? ←
16:48:29 <msporny> ben: we should tell people to push hanging rel as deep down as possible.
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Unknown ben: we should tell people to push hanging rel as deep down as possible. ←
16:48:42 <msporny> ben: an extra rel should instantiate a bnode?
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Unknown ben: an extra rel should instantiate a bnode? ←
16:49:34 <msporny> mark: what that relies on is that a bnode that doesn't generate a triple, a triple shouldn't be generated for one that's the object.
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Unknown mark: what that relies on is that a bnode that doesn't generate a triple, a triple shouldn't be generated for one that's the object. ←
16:50:11 <msporny> ralph: rel="" is ugly markup...
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Unknown ralph: rel="" is ugly markup... ←
16:50:25 <msporny> ben: let's push the issue off until we need it.
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Unknown ben: let's push the issue off until we need it. ←
16:50:45 <msporny> ralph: let's not include it.
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Unknown ralph: let's not include it. ←
16:50:55 <msporny> mark: this was never meant to be part of the issue.
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Unknown mark: this was never meant to be part of the issue. ←
16:51:30 <msporny> ben: there are different ways to solve the issue.
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Unknown ben: there are different ways to solve the issue. ←
16:51:50 <msporny> ben: anybody that really wants rel=""?
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Unknown ben: anybody that really wants rel=""? ←
16:51:59 <msporny> ben: seeing none, let's move on then.
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Unknown ben: seeing none, let's move on then. ←
16:52:13 <msporny> Topic: @href/@resource become subjects?
16:52:44 <msporny> ralph: what about @src?
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Unknown ralph: what about @src? ←
16:52:55 <msporny> ben: any rules that we make about @href/@resource would apply to @src.
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Unknown ben: any rules that we make about @href/@resource would apply to @src. ←
16:53:48 <msporny> ben: if @src is equivalent to @href/@resource, it will complete triples. Same for @about equivalency.
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Unknown ben: if @src is equivalent to @href/@resource, it will complete triples. Same for @about equivalency. ←
16:54:02 <msporny> ben: two proposals: @src behaves like @about, or @src behaves like @resource.
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Unknown ben: two proposals: @src behaves like @about, or @src behaves like @resource. ←
16:54:35 <benadida> <img src="thumbnail.jpg" rel="smallerVersionOf" href="big.jpg" />
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Unknown benadida: <img src="thumbnail.jpg" rel="smallerVersionOf" href="big.jpg" /> ←
16:54:37 <msporny> ... the only part where it makes a difference is where you want to relate information for an IMG element.
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... the only part where it makes a difference is where you want to relate information for an IMG element. ←
16:54:48 <Ralph> [I understand "behaves like" to be "chains like"]
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Unknown Ralph: [I understand "behaves like" to be "chains like"] ←
16:55:00 <msporny> mark: is it worth voting now should include @src?
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Unknown mark: is it worth voting now should include @src? ←
16:55:16 <msporny> ben: two proposals: @src chains like @about, or @src chains like @resource (CORRECTION)
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Unknown ben: two proposals: @src chains like @about, or @src chains like @resource (CORRECTION) ←
16:56:05 <msporny> ben: do we want to be able to be able to plop in a predicate with @src?
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Unknown ben: do we want to be able to be able to plop in a predicate with @src? ←
16:56:24 <msporny> +1 for @src behaving like @about
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+1 for @src behaving like @about ←
16:56:36 <msporny> ack, +1 for @src chaining like @about.
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ack, +1 for @src chaining like @about. ←
16:57:16 <msporny> mark: to clarify - if you put a div above the img you get several types of goodness.
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Unknown mark: to clarify - if you put a div above the img you get several types of goodness. ←
16:57:17 <benadida> <div about="#me" rel="foaf:img">
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Unknown benadida: <div about="#me" rel="foaf:img"> ←
16:57:33 <benadida> <img src="ben.jpg" rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/3.0/" />
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Unknown benadida: <img src="ben.jpg" rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/3.0/" /> ←
16:57:34 <benadida> </div>
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Unknown benadida: </div> ←
16:57:44 <msporny> ... like being able to note a license, or have @instanceof apply to the @src
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... like being able to note a license, or have @instanceof apply to the @src ←
16:57:45 <markbirbeck> +1
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Unknown markbirbeck: +1 ←
16:57:45 <msporny> +1
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+1 ←
16:57:57 <ShaneM> +1
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Unknown ShaneM: +1 ←
16:58:04 <msporny> manu: I agree, @src should chain like @about. +1
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Unknown manu: I agree, @src should chain like @about. +1 ←
16:58:07 <msporny> mark: +1
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Unknown mark: +1 ←
16:58:10 <msporny> shane: +1
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Unknown shane: +1 ←
16:58:15 <msporny> michael: +1
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Unknown michael: +1 ←
16:58:36 <msporny> steven: I have a small problem with it...
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Unknown steven: I have a small problem with it... ←
16:59:04 <msporny> steven: no problem with this, but we discussed using @src a long time ago - found a problem, but I can't remember what the problem is.
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Unknown steven: no problem with this, but we discussed using @src a long time ago - found a problem, but I can't remember what the problem is. ←
16:59:07 <msporny> steven: abstain
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Unknown steven: abstain ←
16:59:35 <Ralph> we're asking whether the triple <ben.jpb> <xhtml:license> <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/3.0/> ?
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Unknown Ralph: we're asking whether the triple <ben.jpb> <xhtml:license> <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/3.0/> ? ←
17:00:24 <benadida> <img about="#me" rel="foaf:img" src="ben.jpg" />
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Unknown benadida: <img about="#me" rel="foaf:img" src="ben.jpg" /> ←
17:00:32 <msporny> ralph: don't quite see the issue... based on how the question is worded.
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Unknown ralph: don't quite see the issue... based on how the question is worded. ←
17:00:56 <markbirbeck> <img about="#me" rel="license" src="ben.jpg" />
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Unknown markbirbeck: <img about="#me" rel="license" src="ben.jpg" /> ←
17:00:59 <msporny> ralph: I thought we had already decided this once before.
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Unknown ralph: I thought we had already decided this once before. ←
17:01:15 <msporny> ben: we did, but when Mark explained the chaining model, we could move @src to left.
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Unknown ben: we did, but when Mark explained the chaining model, we could move @src to left. ←
17:01:27 <msporny> ralph: so this is a significant change from the previous model?
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Unknown ralph: so this is a significant change from the previous model? ←
17:01:42 <msporny> ralph: both ben and mark seem to be happy with it.
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Unknown ralph: both ben and mark seem to be happy with it. ←
17:01:47 <msporny> ben: any other comments?
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Unknown ben: any other comments? ←
17:01:58 <benadida> PROPOSAL: @src behaves like @about and is overridden by @about
PROPOSED: @src behaves like @about and is overridden by @about ←
17:02:06 <msporny> +1
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+1 ←
17:02:19 <mhausenblas> +1
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Unknown mhausenblas: +1 ←
17:02:22 <markbirbeck> s/<img about="#me" rel="license" src="ben.jpg" \/>/<img about="http:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/3.0\/" rel="license" src="ben.jpg" \/>/
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Unknown markbirbeck: s/<img about="#me" rel="license" src="ben.jpg" \/>/<img about="http:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/3.0\/" rel="license" src="ben.jpg" \/>/ (warning: replacement failed) ←
17:02:35 <msporny> manu: +1
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Unknown manu: +1 ←
17:02:37 <msporny> steven: abstains
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Unknown steven: abstains ←
17:02:48 <msporny> RESOLVED: @src behaves like @about and is overridden by @about
RESOLVED: @src behaves like @about and is overridden by @about ←
17:03:03 <Steven> Here is my previous mail:
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Unknown Steven: Here is my previous mail: ←
17:03:05 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006Jan/0018.html
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Unknown Steven: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006Jan/0018.html ←
17:03:56 <msporny> ben: lets go on for another 5-10 minutes, since we're getting close to time running out.
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Unknown ben: lets go on for another 5-10 minutes, since we're getting close to time running out. ←
17:04:07 <markbirbeck> s/rel="license: src="ben.jpg"/rev="license" src="ben.jpg"/
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Unknown markbirbeck: s/rel="license: src="ben.jpg"/rev="license" src="ben.jpg"/ (warning: replacement failed) ←
17:04:19 <msporny> Topic: @href/@resource as subject
17:04:29 <benadida> <a href="http://www.w3.org/peopel/ivan#me" property="foaf:name">
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Unknown benadida: <a href="http://www.w3.org/people/ivan#me" property="foaf:name"> ←
17:04:30 <benadida> Ivan
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Unknown benadida: Ivan ←
17:04:30 <benadida> </a>
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Unknown benadida: </a> ←
17:04:35 <msporny> ben: when @href/@resource is on an element, should @property apply to that @href?
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Unknown ben: when @href/@resource is on an element, should @property apply to that @href? ←
17:04:58 <benadida> <div about="#me" rel="foaf:knows">
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Unknown benadida: <div about="#me" rel="foaf:knows"> ←
17:05:08 <benadida> <span href="#mark" property="foaf:name">Mark</span>
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Unknown benadida: <span href="#mark" property="foaf:name">Mark</span> ←
17:05:09 <benadida> </div>
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Unknown benadida: </div> ←
17:05:40 <msporny> ben: since we have agreed that @href chains like @about, then we have to agree that @href can set subject.
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Unknown ben: since we have agreed that @href chains like @about, then we have to agree that @href can set subject. ←
17:05:43 <markbirbeck> +1
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Unknown markbirbeck: +1 ←
17:05:45 <msporny> ben: mark any additions?
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Unknown ben: mark any additions? ←
17:05:47 <msporny> mark: +1
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Unknown mark: +1 ←
17:05:49 <msporny> +1
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+1 ←
17:05:59 <msporny> manu: +1
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Unknown manu: +1 ←
17:06:06 <Steven> s/peopel/people/
17:06:08 <msporny> ralph: I feel less comfortable about this....
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Unknown ralph: I feel less comfortable about this.... ←
17:06:19 <benadida> <a href="http://www.w3.org/peopel/ivan#me">
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Unknown benadida: <a href="http://www.w3.org/peopel/ivan#me"> ←
17:06:20 <markbirbeck> I met with
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Unknown markbirbeck: I met with ←
17:06:20 <benadida> <span property="foaf:name">Ivan</span>
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Unknown benadida: <span property="foaf:name">Ivan</span> ←
17:06:20 <markbirbeck> <a href="http://www.w3.org/peopel/ivan#me">
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Unknown markbirbeck: <a href="http://www.w3.org/peopel/ivan#me"> ←
17:06:20 <benadida> </a>
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Unknown benadida: </a> ←
17:06:20 <markbirbeck> <span property="foaf:name">Ivan</span>
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Unknown markbirbeck: <span property="foaf:name">Ivan</span> ←
17:06:20 <markbirbeck> </a>
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Unknown markbirbeck: </a> ←
17:06:20 <markbirbeck> Ivan the other day.
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Unknown markbirbeck: Ivan the other day. ←
17:06:23 <msporny> mark: there is an e-mail to the list with an example...
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Unknown mark: there is an e-mail to the list with an example... ←
17:07:03 <msporny> mark: we're saying that @href completes hanging triples, it sets the subject for any contained element.
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Unknown mark: we're saying that @href completes hanging triples, it sets the subject for any contained element. ←
17:07:33 <msporny> ... maybe we should change what we're talking about.
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... maybe we should change what we're talking about. ←
17:07:59 <msporny> ... what we're voting on... if we vote on if @href should set property, everything else falls into place.
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... what we're voting on... if we vote on if @href should set property, everything else falls into place. ←
17:08:17 <msporny> ralph: if mark and ben are happy, then I may be happy.
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Unknown ralph: if mark and ben are happy, then I may be happy. ←
17:09:27 <msporny> mark: the general thing about all of this is that what happens when you add/remove @href/@about... is it consistent.
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Unknown mark: the general thing about all of this is that what happens when you add/remove @href/@about... is it consistent. ←
17:09:37 <msporny> ralph: if it is consistent, then that's good.
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Unknown ralph: if it is consistent, then that's good. ←
17:09:42 <msporny> ben: any other comments?
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Unknown ben: any other comments? ←
17:09:48 <msporny> manu: +1
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Unknown manu: +1 ←
17:09:51 <mhausenblas> +1
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Unknown mhausenblas: +1 ←
17:09:56 <msporny> michael: +1
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Unknown michael: +1 ←
17:10:05 <msporny> shane: abstain
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Unknown shane: abstain ←
17:10:24 <msporny> steven: don't like it, but don't want to block us... abstain.
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Unknown steven: don't like it, but don't want to block us... abstain. ←
17:10:25 <msporny> ben: +1
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Unknown ben: +1 ←
17:10:28 <msporny> mark: +1
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Unknown mark: +1 ←
17:10:46 <msporny> ben: my +1 is based on the previous decision, I value the consistency above all else.
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Unknown ben: my +1 is based on the previous decision, I value the consistency above all else. ←
17:10:51 <Ralph> ralph: abstain
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Unknown ralph: abstain [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
17:10:57 <msporny> ralph: abstain
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Unknown ralph: abstain ←
17:11:07 <benadida> PROPOSAL: @href without @rel/@rev/@about sets the subject for @property on the same element.
PROPOSED: @href without @rel/@rev/@about sets the subject for @property on the same element. ←
17:11:24 <msporny> mark: @href and @resource.
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Unknown mark: @href and @resource. ←
17:11:24 <benadida> PROPOSAL: @href/@resource without @rel/@rev/@about sets the subject for @property on the same element.
PROPOSED: @href/@resource without @rel/@rev/@about sets the subject for @property on the same element. ←
17:11:38 <msporny> RESOLVED: @href/@resource without @rel/@rev/@about sets the subject for @property on the same element.
RESOLVED: @href/@resource without @rel/@rev/@about sets the subject for @property on the same element. ←
17:11:53 <msporny> ben: last issue for the day?
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Unknown ben: last issue for the day? ←
17:12:03 <benadida> <a href="http://www.w3.org/peopel/ivan#me" instanceof="foaf:Person">
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Unknown benadida: <a href="http://www.w3.org/peopel/ivan#me" instanceof="foaf:Person"> ←
17:12:03 <benadida> <span property="foaf:name">Ivan</span>
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Unknown benadida: <span property="foaf:name">Ivan</span> ←
17:12:03 <benadida> </a>
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Unknown benadida: </a> ←
17:12:33 <msporny> Topic: If subject of @property should be @href, shouldn't @instanceof follow?
17:12:48 <msporny> manu: doesn't like it, but isn't going to say anything.
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Unknown manu: doesn't like it, but isn't going to say anything. ←
17:12:53 <msporny> :)
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:) ←
17:14:37 <msporny> ben: it would be wierd if @property applied to @href, but @instanceof didn't.
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Unknown ben: it would be wierd if @property applied to @href, but @instanceof didn't. ←
17:14:44 <msporny> steven: I need to think about this more.
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Unknown steven: I need to think about this more. ←
17:14:56 <msporny> manu: I think @instanceof should apply to @about and @src only.
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Unknown manu: I think @instanceof should apply to @about and @src only. ←
17:14:57 <Ralph> Ralph: I think @instanceof should work like @property, so whichever choice makes that work is what I want :)
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Unknown Ralph: I think @instanceof should work like @property, so whichever choice makes that work is what I want :) [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←
17:15:22 <msporny> manu: abstain
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17:15:27 <mhausenblas> +1
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Unknown mhausenblas: +1 ←
17:15:33 <msporny> michael: +1
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Unknown michael: +1 ←
17:15:47 <msporny> steven: abstain
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Unknown steven: abstain ←
17:15:57 <msporny> steven: as long as I can send in last call comments.
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Unknown steven: as long as I can send in last call comments. ←
17:16:12 <msporny> ralph: I don't want to revisit @class :)
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Unknown ralph: I don't want to revisit @class :) ←
17:16:18 <msporny> mark: We need to finish this.
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Unknown mark: We need to finish this. ←
17:16:32 <msporny> *scuffle*
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*scuffle* ←
17:17:24 <msporny> ralph: If we talk about this more, it should be new data.
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Unknown ralph: If we talk about this more, it should be new data. ←
17:17:34 <msporny> ben: in the interest in getting to last call, I'd like to take a vote.
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Unknown ben: in the interest in getting to last call, I'd like to take a vote. ←
17:17:43 <msporny> ... I'm fine with you bringing up new information at last call.
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... I'm fine with you bringing up new information at last call. ←
17:18:11 <msporny> mark: let's put the vote off...
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Unknown mark: let's put the vote off... ←
17:18:33 <msporny> steven: I don't like @instanceof...
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Unknown steven: I don't like @instanceof... ←
17:18:39 <msporny> ralph: we can't drop @instanceof
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Unknown ralph: we can't drop @instanceof ←
17:18:54 <msporny> ralph: at this point...
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Unknown ralph: at this point... ←
17:19:10 <msporny> ben: we've resolved alot of good things at this point.
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Unknown ben: we've resolved alot of good things at this point. ←
17:19:56 <msporny> steven: we need to get to last call, willing to abstain on this issue.
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Unknown steven: we need to get to last call, willing to abstain on this issue. ←
17:20:09 <msporny> ben: Chair notes that steven may bring up new information at last call.
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Unknown ben: Chair notes that steven may bring up new information at last call. ←
17:20:22 <msporny> shane: abstain
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Unknown shane: abstain ←
17:20:42 <msporny> ben: 3 abstained from the vote.
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Unknown ben: 3 abstained from the vote. ←
17:21:00 <benadida> PROPOSAL: @href/@resource without @rel/@rev/@about sets the subject for @instanceof on same element.
PROPOSED: @href/@resource without @rel/@rev/@about sets the subject for @instanceof on same element. ←
17:21:05 <msporny> RESOLVED: @href/@resource without @rel/@rev/@about sets the subject for @instanceof on same element.
RESOLVED: @href/@resource without @rel/@rev/@about sets the subject for @instanceof on same element. ←
17:21:36 <msporny> ben: can you spend some time on the spec to bring it up to snuff?
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Unknown ben: can you spend some time on the spec to bring it up to snuff? ←
17:21:37 <msporny> mark: yes
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Unknown mark: yes ←
17:21:46 <msporny> ben: I'm very excited that we're getting close to last call.
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Unknown ben: I'm very excited that we're getting close to last call. ←
17:21:56 <msporny> ben: I will work on my implementation... any closing comments?
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Unknown ben: I will work on my implementation... any closing comments? ←
17:23:22 <msporny> ben: end of call, let's look at Mark's latest draft when it comes out. Steven/Shane we need to have XHTML working group review before last call.
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Unknown ben: end of call, let's look at Mark's latest draft when it comes out. Steven/Shane we need to have XHTML working group review before last call. ←
17:23:41 <msporny> ben: draft by tomorrow, mark?
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Unknown ben: draft by tomorrow, mark? ←
17:23:43 <msporny> mark: yep
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Unknown mark: yep ←
17:23:48 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
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Zakim IRC Bot: -mhausenblas ←
17:23:49 <Zakim> -Steven
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17:23:50 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
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17:23:52 <msporny> help Ralph!?
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help Ralph!? ←
17:23:53 <msporny> :)
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:) ←
17:24:08 <Ralph> zakim, list attendees
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Unknown Ralph: zakim, list attendees ←
17:24:08 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Steven, Ralph, mhausenblas, Manu, Ben, ShaneM, markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Steven, Ralph, mhausenblas, Manu, Ben, ShaneM, markbirbeck ←
17:24:14 <Zakim> -ShaneM
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17:24:20 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes
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Unknown Ralph: rrsagent, please draft minutes ←
17:24:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph ←
17:26:47 <Zakim> -Manu
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17:26:48 <Zakim> -Ralph
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17:26:55 <Zakim> -Ben
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Zakim IRC Bot: -Ben ←
17:27:01 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended ←
17:27:02 <Zakim> Attendees were Steven, Ralph, mhausenblas, Manu, Ben, ShaneM, markbirbeck
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Steven, Ralph, mhausenblas, Manu, Ben, ShaneM, markbirbeck ←
18:43:46 <Ralph> zakim, bye
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Unknown Ralph: zakim, bye ←
18:43:47 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
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Scribe problem: the name 'Ralph' does not match any of the 3 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Ralph: rrsagent, bye ←
18:43:47 <RRSAgent> I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-actions.rdf : ←
18:43:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [1]
ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] [1] ←
18:43:47 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-irc#T16-15-50
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-irc#T16-15-50 ←
18:43:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [2]
ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] [2] ←
18:43:47 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-irc#T16-16-07
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-irc#T16-16-07 ←
18:43:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action02] [3]
ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in ACTION-02]">http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-02] [3] ←
18:43:47 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-irc#T16-17-07
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-irc#T16-17-07 ←
18:43:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [4]
ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] [4] ←
18:43:47 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-irc#T16-17-30
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-irc#T16-17-30 ←
18:43:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [5]
ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] [5] ←
18:43:47 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-irc#T16-17-40
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-irc#T16-17-40 ←
18:43:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [6]
ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in ACTION-01]">http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-01] [6] ←
18:43:47 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-irc#T16-18-00
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-irc#T16-18-00 ←
18:43:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to update tracker with todays resolutions. [7]
ACTION: Ben to update tracker with todays resolutions. [7] ←
18:43:47 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-irc#T16-23-41
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-irc#T16-23-41 ←
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