Meeting Record

W3C RDF-in-XHTML TF - Telecon 2007-10-11, 15:00 UTC

Minutes of 11 October 2007

Agenda

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0083.html

Seen

Unknown Ralph, Unknown ShaneM, Unknown Steven, Unknown Steven_, Unknown benadida, Unknown markbirbeck, Unknown mhausenblas, Unknown mhausenblas_, Unknown msporny

Chair

Unknown Ben

Scribe

Unknown mhausenblas, Unknown ralph

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

None.

Topics

Action Items
Summary of F2F
New Test Cases
Schedule

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14:39:04 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-irc

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14:39:18 <mhausenblas> zakim, this will be SW_SWD(RDFa)

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Unknown mhausenblas: zakim, this will be SW_SWD(RDFa) ←

14:39:18 <Zakim> ok, mhausenblas; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 21 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, mhausenblas; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 21 minutes ←

14:39:25 <mhausenblas> Meeting: W3C RDF-in-XHTML TF - Telecon 2007-10-11, 15:00 UTC

14:39:32 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0083.html

14:39:39 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2007-10-04

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14:39:46 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

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14:39:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

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14:40:04 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public

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15:01:01 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started

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15:01:02 <Zakim> +ShaneM

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15:01:15 <Steven_> zakim, dial steven-617

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Unknown Steven_: zakim, dial steven-617 ←

15:01:15 <Zakim> ok, Steven_; the call is being made

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15:01:17 <Zakim> +Steven

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15:01:29 <Steven_> zakim, who is here?

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15:01:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see ShaneM, Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ShaneM, Steven ←

15:01:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see Steven_, mhausenblas_, msporny, ShaneM, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ralph, myakura, mhausenblas, Simone, kwijibo

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Steven_, mhausenblas_, msporny, ShaneM, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ralph, myakura, mhausenblas, Simone, kwijibo ←

15:02:01 <Zakim> +mhausenblas

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15:02:48 <mhausenblas_> Chair: Ben

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15:02:55 <Zakim> +Ralph

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15:02:56 <Zakim> -Ralph

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15:02:58 <Zakim> +Ralph

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15:03:07 <mhausenblas_> RRSAgent, draft minutes

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15:03:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas_

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15:03:19 <Zakim> +benadida

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15:03:45 <benadida> zakim, who is on the phone?

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15:03:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see ShaneM, Steven, +043316aaaa, Ralph, +1.617.395.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ShaneM, Steven, +043316aaaa, Ralph, +1.617.395.aabb ←

15:04:03 <mhausenblas_> Zakim, aaaa is me

Unknown mhausenblas_: Zakim, aaaa is me ←

15:04:03 <Zakim> +mhausenblas_; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +mhausenblas_; got it ←

15:04:03 <benadida> zakim, i am aabb

Unknown benadida: zakim, i am aabb ←

15:04:04 <Zakim> ok, benadida, I now associate you with +1.617.395.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, benadida, I now associate you with +1.617.395.aabb ←

15:04:29 <Zakim> +??P5

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15:04:40 <msporny> zakim, i am +??P5

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Unknown msporny: zakim, i am +??P5 ←

15:04:40 <Zakim> sorry, msporny, I do not see a party named '+??P5'

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15:04:51 <msporny> zakim, i am ??P5

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15:04:51 <Zakim> +msporny; got it

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15:05:33 <Steven_> zakim, wh ois here?

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15:05:33 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Steven_.

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15:05:38 <Steven_> zakim, who is here?

Unknown Steven_: zakim, who is here? ←

15:05:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see ShaneM, Steven, mhausenblas_, Ralph, +1.617.395.aabb, msporny

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ShaneM, Steven, mhausenblas_, Ralph, +1.617.395.aabb, msporny ←

15:05:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see benadida, Steven_, mhausenblas_, msporny, ShaneM, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ralph, myakura, Simone, kwijibo

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see benadida, Steven_, mhausenblas_, msporny, ShaneM, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ralph, myakura, Simone, kwijibo ←

15:06:10 <Steven> zakim, I am dog

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15:06:10 <Zakim> sorry, Steven, I do not see a party named 'dog'

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15:06:30 <benadida> zakim, pick a victim

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15:06:30 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose mhausenblas_

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose mhausenblas_ ←

15:07:25 <Steven> ;-) you mean

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15:07:25 <mhausenblas> scribenick: mhausenblas

(Scribe set to Unknown mhausenblas)

15:07:43 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule

ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule ←

15:07:45 <Steven> rrsagent, pointer?

Unknown Steven: rrsagent, pointer? ←

15:07:45 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-irc#T15-07-45

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-irc#T15-07-45 ←

15:08:16 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0083

Unknown Steven: Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0083 ←

15:08:21 <mhausenblas> Topic: Action Items

1. Action Items

15:09:33 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]

[NEW] ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] ←

15:09:39 <mhausenblas> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:10:05 <Steven> http://rdfa.info/rdfa-implementations/

Unknown Steven: http://rdfa.info/rdfa-implementations/ ←

15:10:32 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Ben to bring non-prefixed @rel issue to email [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]

[NEW] ACTION: Ben to bring non-prefixed @rel issue to email [recorded in ACTION-13]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-13] ←

15:10:35 <mhausenblas> -- done

-- done ←

15:12:05 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?

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Unknown markbirbeck: zakim, code? ←

15:12:05 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck ←

15:12:15 <mhausenblas> Ben: We need to sort this out - wait for Mark

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Unknown Ben: We need to sort this out - wait for Mark ←

15:12:40 <mhausenblas> ... @rel support for backwards compatibility

... @rel support for backwards compatibility ←

15:12:46 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Michael add Fabien's proposed tests to the test suite archive [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

[NEW] ACTION: Michael add Fabien's proposed tests to the test suite archive [recorded in ACTION-12]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-12] ←

15:12:48 <mhausenblas> -- done

-- done ←

15:12:52 <Zakim> +??P21

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P21 ←

15:12:56 <mhausenblas> [NEW] ACTION: Michael add Ivan's proposed tests to the test suite [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action10]

[NEW] ACTION: Michael add Ivan's proposed tests to the test suite [recorded in ACTION-10]">http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-10] ←

15:12:59 <mhausenblas> -- done

-- done ←

15:12:59 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?

Unknown markbirbeck: zakim, i am ? ←

15:12:59 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +markbirbeck; got it ←

15:13:04 <mhausenblas> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0078.html New Test Cases

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0078.html New Test Cases ←

15:13:36 <mhausenblas> Ben: Mark, we were just discussing @rel issues

Unknown Ben: Mark, we were just discussing @rel issues ←

15:14:14 <mhausenblas> ... should add default values or drop them?

... should add default values or drop them? ←

15:14:31 <mhausenblas> Mark: Kind of taxonomy of useful values

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Unknown Mark: Kind of taxonomy of useful values ←

15:14:55 <mhausenblas> Ben: As @property is a new attribute ...

Unknown Ben: As @property is a new attribute ... ←

15:15:08 <mhausenblas> Steven: @property replaces @name

Unknown Steven: @property replaces @name ←

15:15:55 <mhausenblas> Mark: @name is still there

Unknown Mark: @name is still there ←

15:16:09 <mhausenblas> ... some interesting use cases came up recently

... some interesting use cases came up recently ←

15:16:22 <mhausenblas> ... wonder if we need a 1:1 correspondance

... wonder if we need a 1:1 correspondance ←

15:16:30 <Ralph> q+ to say that @property is the new @name but we don't have syntax compatibility concerns that require us to back fit existing usage

Unknown Ralph: q+ to say that @property is the new @name but we don't have syntax compatibility concerns that require us to back fit existing usage ←

15:17:58 <mhausenblas> Ralph: Support Marks comment; we should discourage for new written documents

Unknown Ralph: Support Marks comment; we should discourage unprefixed usage for new written documents ←

15:18:01 <msporny> q+ to mention that parsers always have the option to generate legacy triples in @name

Unknown msporny: q+ to mention that parsers always have the option to generate legacy triples in @name ←

15:18:09 <mhausenblas> ack Ralph

ack Ralph ←

15:18:09 <Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to say that @property is the new @name but we don't have syntax compatibility concerns that require us to back fit existing usage

Zakim IRC Bot: Ralph, you wanted to say that @property is the new @name but we don't have syntax compatibility concerns that require us to back fit existing usage ←

15:18:19 <Ralph> s/discourage/discourage unprefixed usage/

15:18:22 <Steven> {meta name="dc.creator" property="dc:creator" content="Mark Birbeck"/}

Unknown Steven: <meta name="dc.creator" property="dc:creator" content="Mark Birbeck"/> ←

15:18:31 <Steven> s/{/</

15:18:35 <Steven> s/}/>/

15:20:03 <msporny> q-

Unknown msporny: q- ←

15:20:26 <mhausenblas> Ben: So we should not have non-prefixed values for @propery

Unknown Ben: So we should not have non-prefixed values for @property ←

15:20:41 <mhausenblas> s/@propery/@property

15:21:13 <mhausenblas> Mark: Basically agree

Unknown Mark: Basically agree ←

15:22:05 <mhausenblas> ... need to check for consistency

... need to check for consistency ←

15:23:05 <mhausenblas> Ben: Resolve it via mailing list

Unknown Ben: Resolve it via mailing list ←

15:25:55 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]

[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in ACTION-04]">http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#ACTION-04] ←

15:26:05 <mhausenblas> -- done

-- done ←

15:27:27 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Michael make sure to confirm a design for checking that the ASK SPARQL queries evaluate (yes/no) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]

[PENDING] ACTION: Michael make sure to confirm a design for checking that the ASK SPARQL queries evaluate (yes/no) [recorded in ACTION-07]">http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-07] ←

15:29:57 <mhausenblas> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:30:23 <mhausenblas> Michael will write up a proposal how to mark it up in th manifest

Michael will write up a proposal how to mark it up in th manifest ←

15:30:39 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]

[PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in ACTION-06]">http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#ACTION-06] ←

15:30:46 <mhausenblas> -- continues

-- continues ←

15:31:00 <mhausenblas> Topic: Summary of F2F

2. Summary of F2F

15:31:05 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#item01 F2F discussion

Unknown Ralph: -> http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#item01 F2F discussion ←

15:31:21 <mhausenblas> Steven: All SWD participants were very convinced

Unknown Steven: All SWD participants were very convinced ←

15:31:33 <mhausenblas> ... and Mark's slides were very nice

... and Mark's slides were not needed ←

15:32:57 <mhausenblas> Mark: Good vibes - very encouraging

Unknown Mark: Good vibes - very encouraging ←

15:34:21 <mhausenblas> Ben: Good work. Still, we need to continue to work hard

Unknown Ben: Good work. Still, we need to continue to work hard ←

15:34:54 <Steven> s/slides were very nice/slides were not needed/

15:35:17 <mhausenblas> Michael: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa/ImplReport SWD action on RDFa Implementation

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15:36:18 <mhausenblas> Steven: Depends on exit criteria

Unknown Steven: Depends on exit criteria ←

15:36:47 <mhausenblas> ... need two independent implementation

... if we decide we need two implementations for exit from CR< then we need two columns, one for each implementation, with a tick for each test passed ←

15:36:56 <mhausenblas> Raplh: Will add examples to the Wiki

Unknown Ralph: Will add examples to the Wiki ←

15:37:25 <mhausenblas> s/Raplh/Ralph/

15:37:40 <mhausenblas> Steven: tick is important

Unknown Steven: tick is important ←

15:38:37 <mhausenblas> Topic:  New Test Cases

3. New Test Cases

15:38:51 <Steven> s/need two independent implementation/if we decide we need two implementations for exit from CR< then we need two columns, one for each implementation, with a tick for each test passed/

15:38:56 <mhausenblas> ->  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0078.html New Test Cases

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0078.html New Test Cases ←

15:39:13 <Ralph> scribenick: ralph

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15:39:31 <Ralph> -- test 46

Unknown Ralph: -- test 46 ←

15:39:34 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0046 test 46

Unknown Ralph: -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0046 test 46 ←

15:40:06 <Ralph> Michael: test 46 - 53 are all @instanceof with various combinations of other attributes

Unknown Michael: test 46 - 53 are all @instanceof with various combinations of other attributes [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:41:57 <Ralph> Ralph: find a different property than foaf:knows so the semantics of the relationship between the page and John Doe is correct

Unknown Ralph: find a different property than foaf:knows so the semantics of the relationship between the page and John Doe is correct [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:42:23 <Ralph> ... e.g. foaf:depicts ?

Unknown Ralph: ... e.g. foaf:depicts ? ←

15:42:32 <Ralph> Michael: probably;

Unknown Michael: probably; [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:42:42 <benadida> ACTION: Michael to find a more appropriate predicate than foaf:knows for TC46-53

ACTION: Michael to find a more appropriate predicate than foaf:knows for TC46-53 ←

15:42:44 <benadida> e.g. foaf:maker

Unknown benadida: e.g. foaf:maker ←

15:42:45 <Ralph> Manu: foaf:maker ?

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Unknown Manu: foaf:maker ? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:43:11 <Steven> dc:creator?

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Unknown dc: creator? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Steven ] ←

15:43:49 <Ralph> Ralph: this test is consisent with our decision, yes.  I still question some details of the decision

Unknown Ralph: this test is consisent with our decision, yes. I still question some details of the decision [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:44:35 <Ralph> Mark: this is the debate about @instanceof -- isn't that debate still open?

Unknown Mark: this is the debate about @instanceof -- isn't that debate still open? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:44:57 <Ralph> Ben: not still open, we've decided that @instanceof without @about applies to the object bnode

Unknown Ben: not still open, we've decided that @instanceof without @about applies to the object bnode [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:45:25 <Ralph> Mark: the debate is whether @instanceof applies to the subject or to the object

Unknown Mark: the debate is whether @instanceof applies to the subject or to the object [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:46:00 <ShaneM>  Certainly in this: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-rdfa-syntax-20070927/#s_rdfaindetail  it says the issue is open.

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Unknown ShaneM: Certainly in this: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-rdfa-syntax-20070927/#s_rdfaindetail it says the issue is open. ←

15:46:12 <Ralph> Ralph: I think this was the decision, even if I disagree with it :)

Unknown Ralph: I think this was the decision, even if I disagree with it :) [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:46:38 <msporny> +1 for test case 46

Unknown msporny: +1 for test case 46 ←

15:47:44 <Ralph> Shane: the point of the note in the document is that the document is not clear on this decision

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Unknown Shane: the point of the note in the document is that the document is not clear on this decision [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:47:57 <mhausenblas> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0001 Ivan's comment

Unknown mhausenblas: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0001 Ivan's comment ←

15:48:33 <mhausenblas> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Sep/0202.html @instanceof

Unknown mhausenblas: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Sep/0202.html @instanceof ←

15:49:13 <Ralph> Ben: there may be an issue with the way the rules are described

Unknown Ben: there may be an issue with the way the rules are described [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:49:34 <Ralph> ... but without looking at the processing rules, can we agree or disagree that the proposed triples are what we want?

Unknown Ralph: ... but without looking at the processing rules, can we agree or disagree that the proposed triples are what we want? ←

15:51:02 <Ralph> Mark: the DIV could create a bnode _:y

Unknown Mark: the DIV could create a bnode _:y [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:51:20 <Ralph> ... with _:y foaf:knows _:x

Unknown Ralph: ... with _:y foaf:knows _:x ←

15:51:31 <Ralph> ... and _:y rdf:type _:x

Unknown Ralph: ... and _:y rdf:type foaf:Peraon ←

15:51:41 <Ralph> s/_:x/foaf:Peraon/

15:51:46 <Ralph> s/Peraon/Person/

15:51:59 <Ralph> Ben: @@

Unknown Ben: @@ [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:52:10 <Ralph> Mark: DIV with just @rel is unambiguous

Unknown Mark: DIV with just @rel is unambiguous [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:53:07 <Ralph> Ralph: a useful interpretation would be (though in this case semantically incorrect) 0046.xhtml rdf:type foaf:Person

Unknown Ralph: a useful interpretation would be (though in this case semantically incorrect) 0046.xhtml rdf:type foaf:Person [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:53:23 <Ralph> Ben: that interpretation would violate all our rules about @instanceof

Unknown Ben: that interpretation would violate all our rules about @instanceof [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:53:52 <Ralph> Ben: gets confusing if you think about it as more than one bnode

Unknown Ben: gets confusing if you think about it as more than one bnode [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:54:01 <Ralph> ... but easier if there's just one bnode that is the chaining element

Unknown Ralph: ... but easier if there's just one bnode that is the chaining element ←

15:54:06 <Ralph> Mark: too many special cases going on

Unknown Mark: too many special cases going on [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:54:17 <Ralph> ... the one I'm happy with is when @rel sits on its own

Unknown Ralph: ... the one I'm happy with is when @rel sits on its own ←

15:54:46 <Ralph> Ben: if @rel causes chaining, it has to identify the chaining subject

Unknown Ben: if @rel causes chaining, it has to identify the chaining subject [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:55:12 <Ralph> Mark: @rel traditionally applies to the document, regardless of where it sits; i.e. in traditional HTML @rel applies to the global document

Unknown Mark: @rel traditionally applies to the document, regardless of where it sits; i.e. in traditional HTML @rel applies to the global document [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:55:25 <Ralph> ... we've added the ability to specify the subject

Unknown Ralph: ... we've added the ability to specify the subject ←

15:56:17 <Ralph> ... if @rel applies to the thing above it, or when there's nothing above it, it gets confusing

Unknown Ralph: ... if @rel applies to the thing above it, or when there's nothing above it, it gets confusing ←

15:58:21 <Ralph> Michael: @instanceof is syntactic sugar for @rel w/ @href

Unknown Michael: @instanceof is syntactic sugar for @rel w/ @href [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:58:45 <Ralph> Ben: no, @instance of is really sugar for LINK with @rel ...

Unknown Ben: no, @instance of is really sugar for LINK with @rel ... [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

15:59:51 <Ralph> Ralph: consider test 50

Unknown Ralph: consider test 50 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:01:13 <Ralph> Mark: I thought that this issue was connected to the issue of what to do with @about

Unknown Mark: I thought that this issue was connected to the issue of what to do with @about [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:01:16 <mhausenblas> Michael: in TC 50 there should be a bNode as subject IMHO

Unknown Michael: in TC 50 there should be a bNode as subject IMHO [ Scribe Assist by Unknown mhausenblas ] ←

16:01:44 <Ralph> Ben: test 50 looks very wrong to me

Unknown Ben: test 50 looks very wrong to me [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:01:55 <Ralph> Ralph: I agree that 46 and 50 are contradictory

Unknown Ralph: I agree that 46 and 50 are contradictory [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:02:26 <Ralph> Ben: test 50 needs a bnode

Unknown Ben: test 50 needs a bnode [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:02:30 <Ralph> ... it's always the same bnode

Unknown Ralph: ... it's always the same bnode ←

16:02:41 <Ralph> ... and the bnode is the object of the outer statement

Unknown Ralph: ... and the bnode is the object of the outer statement ←

16:02:58 <Ralph> Mark: and if there were an @about it would give a name to the bnode

Unknown Mark: and if there were an @about it would give a name to the bnode [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:03:10 <Ralph> ... and if you add @rel, what's changed?

Unknown Ralph: ... and if you add @rel, what's changed? ←

16:03:42 <Ralph> Ben: @instanceof inherits @about

Unknown Ben: @instanceof inherits @about [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:04:13 <Ralph> Mark: @instanceof still belongs in the list of predicates; the predicate happens to be rdf:type

Unknown Mark: @instanceof still belongs in the list of predicates; the predicate happens to be rdf:type [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:04:35 <benadida> <div resource="#foo" instanceof="foo:bar">

Unknown benadida: <div resource="#foo" instanceof="foo:bar"> ←

16:04:36 <benadida> </div>

Unknown benadida: </div> ←

16:04:58 <Ralph> Mark: that example is a grey area in my model

Unknown Mark: that example is a grey area in my model [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:05:19 <Ralph> Ben: I thought we'd agreed that this was <#foo> rdf:type <foo:bar>

Unknown Ben: I thought we'd agreed that this was <#foo> rdf:type <foo:bar> [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:05:37 <Ralph> Mark: end up using @about and @resource interchangeably

Unknown Mark: end up using @about and @resource interchangeably [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:05:41 <benadida> <div href="#foo" instanceo="foo:bar"></div>

Unknown benadida: <div href="#foo" instanceo="foo:bar"></div> ←

16:06:31 <Ralph> Mark: I really don't like that @href is chaining

Unknown Mark: I really don't like that @href is chaining [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:06:39 <Ralph> q+

Unknown Ralph: q+ ←

16:08:56 <Ralph> Ralph: tests 46 - 53 are inconsistent

Unknown Ralph: tests 46 - 53 are inconsistent [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:09:24 <Ralph> ... they also have typos; e.g. the URI in 50 is clearly not mentioned anywhere

Unknown Ralph: ... they also have typos; e.g. the URI in 50 is clearly not mentioned anywhere ←

16:09:44 <Ralph> ... suggest that each of us look at 46 - 53 and propose what we think are the fixes to the inconsistencies

Unknown Ralph: ... suggest that each of us look at 46 - 53 and propose what we think are the fixes to the inconsistencies ←

16:11:24 <Ralph> ACTION: All look at tests 46 - 53 and write what you believe the correct triples are

ACTION: All look at tests 46 - 53 and write what you believe the correct triples are ←

16:12:02 <benadida> schedule -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule

Unknown benadida: schedule -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule ←

16:12:03 <Ralph> Topic: Schedule

4. Schedule

16:12:41 <Ralph> scribenick: mhausenblas

(Scribe set to Unknown mhausenblas)

16:12:58 <mhausenblas> Ben: 15 Nov is the strict deadline

Unknown Ben: 15 Nov is the strict deadline ←

16:13:11 <mhausenblas> ... for the syntax doc

... for the syntax doc ←

16:13:31 <mhausenblas> Steven: Out ASAP

Unknown Steven: Out ASAP ←

16:13:48 <mhausenblas> Shane: Need to address some issues from SWD F2F

Unknown Shane: Need to address some issues from SWD F2F ←

16:14:12 <mhausenblas> Mark: True but no critical ones

Unknown Mark: True but no critical ones ←

16:14:18 <Steven> 31 Oct is the drop dead date for this draft

Unknown Steven: 31 Oct is the drop dead date for this draft ←

16:14:56 <mhausenblas> Ben: What is the next possible date for new syntax?

Unknown Ben: What is the next possible date for new syntax? ←

16:14:57 <Ralph> q+

Unknown Ralph: q+ ←

16:15:05 <mhausenblas> Mark: 2007-10-16

Unknown Mark: 2007-10-16 ←

16:15:46 <mhausenblas> Steven: Wil take care for publication (from Shane)

Unknown Steven: Will take care for publication (from Shane) ←

16:15:52 <mhausenblas> s/Wil/Will

16:16:06 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

RRSAgent, draft minutes ←

16:16:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas ←

16:16:34 <mhausenblas> Shane: I'll start today and work all night :)

Unknown Shane: I'll start today and work all night :) ←

16:16:43 <ShaneM>  'cause I have no life.

Unknown ShaneM: 'cause I have no life. ←

16:16:59 <Ralph> Shane: I will signal Steven when the doc is ready to publish

Unknown Shane: I will signal Steven when the doc is ready to publish [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:17:02 <Steven> XHTML2 WG ratified the decision to publish

Unknown Steven: XHTML2 WG ratified the decision to publish ←

16:17:03 <mhausenblas> Ben: Primer in upcoming week

Unknown Ben: Primer in upcoming week ←

16:17:15 <mhausenblas> Ralph: Will suport Ben

Unknown Ralph: Will support Ben ←

16:17:25 <mhausenblas> s/suport/support

16:17:37 <mhausenblas> Ben: Need to work hard till the end of the year!

Unknown Ben: Need to work hard till the end of the year! ←

16:17:39 <Ralph> Ben: I will signal Ralph when the Primer is ready to publish

Unknown Ben: I will signal Ralph when the Primer is ready to publish [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:17:58 <mhausenblas> Ben: I'll be on vacation from 18-24 Oct

Unknown Ben: I'll be on vacation from 18-24 Oct ←

16:18:08 <Ralph> Regrets for 25 Oct

Unknown Ralph: Regrets for 25 Oct ←

16:18:26 <Ralph> Ben: I cannot chair on the 25th

Unknown Ben: I cannot chair on the 25th [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:18:54 <Ralph> Michael: regrets for 25 Oct

Unknown Michael: regrets for 25 Oct [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:19:04 <mhausenblas> Michael: I'm on travel on 25th

Unknown Michael: I'm on travel on 25th ←

16:19:17 <Ralph> Steven: at risk for 18 Oct

Unknown Steven: at risk for 18 Oct [ Scribe Assist by Unknown Ralph ] ←

16:19:20 <mhausenblas> Steven: 18th is on risk

Unknown Steven: 18th is on risk ←

16:20:07 <mhausenblas> Ben: Nice work Mark and Shane

Unknown Ben: Nice work Mark and Shane ←

16:20:13 <Zakim> -ShaneM

Zakim IRC Bot: -ShaneM ←

16:20:14 <Zakim> -Steven

Zakim IRC Bot: -Steven ←

16:20:15 <Zakim> -mhausenblas_

Zakim IRC Bot: -mhausenblas_ ←

16:20:17 <Zakim> -markbirbeck

Zakim IRC Bot: -markbirbeck ←

16:20:18 <Zakim> -msporny

Zakim IRC Bot: -msporny ←

16:20:19 <Zakim> -Ralph

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ralph ←

16:20:20 <Zakim> - +1.617.395.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.617.395.aabb ←

16:20:21 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended ←

16:20:22 <Zakim> Attendees were ShaneM, Steven, mhausenblas, Ralph, benadida, mhausenblas_, msporny, markbirbeck

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were ShaneM, Steven, mhausenblas, Ralph, benadida, mhausenblas_, msporny, markbirbeck ←

16:20:28 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes

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16:20:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas ←

16:20:33 <Ralph> zakim, bye

Unknown Ralph: zakim, bye ←

16:21:49 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye

Unknown Ralph: rrsagent, bye ←

16:21:49 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-actions.rdf :

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-actions.rdf : ←

16:21:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [1]

ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [1] ←

16:21:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-irc#T15-07-43

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-irc#T15-07-43 ←

16:21:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to find a more appropriate predicate than foaf:knows for TC46-53 [2]

ACTION: Michael to find a more appropriate predicate than foaf:knows for TC46-53 [2] ←

16:21:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-irc#T15-42-42

RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-irc#T15-42-42 ←

16:21:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: All look at tests 46 - 53 and write what you believe the correct triples are [3]

ACTION: All look at tests 46 - 53 and write what you believe the correct triples are [3] ←

16:21:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-irc#T16-11-24

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