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15:22:08 <karen> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces
Karen Myers: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces ←
15:32:28 <karen> Ivan: task forces identified
Ivan Herman: task forces identified
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16:02:26 <tzviya> scribe: tzviya
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16:04:21 <karen> q+Liza Daly: approve minutes from last week ←
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16:04:51 <tzviya> karen: unsure if minutes corrected, missed a few point
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16:05:07 <tzviya> s/point/points
16:05:08 <dauwhe> http://www.w3.org/2013/dpub-IG-minutes/2014-01-27
Dave Cramer: http://www.w3.org/2013/dpub-IG-minutes/2014-01-27 ←
16:05:10 <ivan> http://www.w3.org/2013/dpub-IG-minutes/2014-01-27.html
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16:05:42 <tzviya> markus: have not sent corrections to thierry yet
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16:05:55 <tmichel> send me the corrections that are needed ...
Thierry Michel: Markus, send me the corrections that are needed ... I will incorporate .←
16:06:05 <tzviya> karen: my rec is to update the minutes and approve next week
Karen Myers: my rec is to update the minutes and approve next week ←
16:06:10 <tmichel> And yes we will approuved the minutes next week
Thierry Michel: OK, we will approve the minutes next week, after update ←
16:06:28 <tzviya> Liza: focus on metadata task force
Liza Daly: focus on metadata task force ←
16:06:35 <ivan> Topic: Metadata Task force
16:06:38 <Zakim> + +33.6.48.38.aadd
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16:06:41 <tzviya> ...Bill and madi will walk through objectives
...Bill and Madi will walk through objectives ←
16:06:42 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Metadata TF wiki page
Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Metadata TF wiki page ←
16:06:43 <Bill_Kasdorf> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Metadata
Bill Kasdorf: https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Metadata ←
16:06:52 <madi> Did she just say...exciting?
Madi Solomon: Did she just say...exciting? ←
16:06:55 <tzviya> ...and scope
...and scope ←
16:06:59 <ivan> zakim, aadd is Luc
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16:07:01 <tzviya> BillK:
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16:07:55 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: created framework for discussion on wiki https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Metadata
Bill Kasdorf: created framework for discussion on wiki https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Task_Forces/Metadata ←
16:08:27 <tzviya> ... idea is to group discussion by topic
... idea is to group discussion by topic ←
16:09:07 <tzviya> ...focus on getting thoughts onto wiki (as opposed to list, but encourage) discussion
...focus on getting thoughts onto wiki (as opposed to list, but encourage) discussion ←
16:09:38 <tzviya> ...Scope: 2 tasks: identify problems of publishers and metadata
...Scope: 2 tasks: identify problems of publishers and metadata ←
16:09:45 <tzviya> ...and collect use cases
...and collect use cases ←
16:10:13 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:10:18 <tzviya> ...Ivan asked if this is the correct group within W3C to work on this
...Ivan asked if this is the correct group within W3C to work on this ←
16:10:42 <tzviya> ...our group is appropriate to raise issues, not necessarily solve them
...our group is appropriate to raise issues, not necessarily solve them ←
16:11:09 <tzviya> ...Markus suggested raising what the issues are, get the conversation going
...Markus suggested raising what the issues are, get the conversation going ←
16:11:21 <tzviya> ...How broad do we want to make this?
...How broad do we want to make this? ←
16:11:49 <tzviya> ...publishers tend to focus on supply chain metadata because it gets publications out into the world
...publishers tend to focus on supply chain metadata because it gets publications out into the world ←
16:12:10 <tzviya> ...there is a whole world of library metadata that is very active
...there is a whole world of library metadata that is very active ←
16:12:56 <tzviya> ...Do we want to include library (cataloging) metadata? Do we want to think about interoperability?
...Do we want to include library (cataloging) metadata? Do we want to think about interoperability? ←
16:13:06 <azaroth> q+
Robert Sanderson: q+ ←
16:13:31 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
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16:13:56 <Luc> q+
Luc Audrain: q+ ←
16:14:10 <tzviya> ... will this lead to a metadata IG in W3C?
... will this lead to a metadata IG in W3C? ←
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16:14:39 <tzviya> Ivan: if we identify a hole in HTML, we know where to go to work on that
Ivan Herman: if we identify a hole in HTML, we know where to go to work on that ←
16:15:04 <mgylling> ack azaroth
Markus Gylling: ack azaroth ←
16:15:06 <tzviya> ...this is different, because there is not a group for that in w3c, so this could lead to an IG
...this is different, because there is not a group for that in w3c, so this could lead to an IG ←
16:15:26 <tzviya> ...it would need to be well-documented and explained to W3C management
...it would need to be well-documented and explained to W3C management ←
16:15:45 <Zakim> -Ivan
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16:15:52 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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16:15:53 <Zakim> +Ivan
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16:16:00 <tzviya> Rob: distinguishing between cataloging and supply chain metadata will be difficult
Robert Sanderson: distinguishing between cataloging and supply chain metadata will be difficult ←
16:16:04 <mgylling> ack Luc
Markus Gylling: ack Luc ←
16:16:09 <tzviya> ...for example, which is title?
...for example, which is title? ←
16:16:54 <tzviya> Luc: supply chain metadata is important, yes. We would like to figure out how to enrich the product internally
Luc Audrain: supply chain metadata is important, yes. We would like to figure out how to enrich the product internally ←
16:17:56 <tzviya> ...there is global metadata (author, title, etc) and there is metadata inside the product
...there is global metadata (author, title, etc) and there is metadata inside the product ←
16:18:16 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:18:19 <tzviya> ....We see that HTML is not a semantic language - this is content metadata
....We see that HTML is not a semantic language - this is content metadata ←
16:19:23 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: I see this in my work through use of generic tagging, such as <div.metadata>
Bill Kasdorf: I see this in my work through use of generic tagging, such as <div.metadata> ←
16:19:34 <gcapiel> What about Schema.org?
Gerardo Capiel: What about Schema.org? ←
16:19:40 <tzviya> ...publishers are doing this in non-standard or non-normative ways
...publishers are doing this in non-standard or non-normative ways ←
16:20:15 <azaroth> Isn't interoperability "how" not "what"?
Robert Sanderson: Isn't interoperability "how" not "what"? ←
16:20:48 <tzviya> Liza: listing publishers' problems today: publishers get around this, but there are not common solutions
Liza Daly: listing publishers' problems today: publishers get around this, but there are not common solutions ←
16:20:50 <tzviya> q+
q+ ←
16:20:59 <azaroth> q+ to ask isn't interop "how" not "what"?
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16:21:34 <mgylling> ack tzviya
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16:22:12 <Luc> §1
Luc Audrain: §1 ←
16:22:17 <mgylling> ack azaroth
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16:22:17 <Zakim> azaroth, you wanted to ask isn't interop "how" not "what"?
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16:22:21 <Luc> +1
Luc Audrain: +1 ←
16:22:51 <tzviya> Tzviya: Sub-package level metadata is something that publishers love about XML (and prevents them from moving to HTML)
Tzviya Siegman: Sub-package level metadata is something that publishers love about XML (and prevents them from moving to HTML) ←
16:23:16 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:23:29 <tzviya> ...more granular metadata will be a game changer in shifting from XML to HTML
...more granular metadata will be a game changer in shifting from XML to HTML ←
16:23:50 <tzviya> Rob: Interop seems to be something that we can approach later
Robert Sanderson: Interop seems to be something that we can approach later ←
16:24:13 <tzviya> ...more of a how to we approach this, then a "what" is this?
...more of a how to we approach this, then a "what" is this? ←
16:24:42 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: that is true, but it also addresses the need from common practices
Bill Kasdorf: that is true, but it also addresses the need from common practices ←
16:24:42 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:24:46 <mgylling> ack ivan
Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←
16:24:47 <ivan> ack ivan
Ivan Herman: ack ivan ←
16:25:48 <azaroth> +1 to separation of syntax and semantics .... where possible
Robert Sanderson: +1 to separation of syntax and semantics .... where possible ←
16:26:18 <tzviya> Ivan: Let's separate 3 problem areas: mechanism for expresssion (syntax), vocabularies (and relationship of vocab), id mechanisms for targets
Ivan Herman: Let's separate 3 problem areas: mechanism for expresssion (syntax), vocabularies (and relationship of vocab), id mechanisms for targets ←
16:26:39 <tzviya> ...of these 3 the syntax is the simplest issue
...of these 3 the syntax is the simplest issue ←
16:26:57 <tzviya> ...there are well-defined existing syntaxes
...there are well-defined existing syntaxes ←
16:27:31 <tzviya> Liza: Who is audience?
16:28:06 <tzviya> Bill_kasdorf: Should we include library/cataloging metadata in scope?
Bill Kasdorf: Should we include library/cataloging metadata in scope? ←
16:28:26 <tzviya> rob: We should focus on the people who are here, the publishers
Robert Sanderson: We should focus on the people who are here, the publishers ←
16:28:27 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:28:39 <Luc> q+
Luc Audrain: q+ ←
16:28:53 <madi> I can't seem to un-mute myself, but I agree with Rob. Let's keep with the publishers.
Madi Solomon: I can't seem to un-mute myself, but I agree with Rob. Let's keep with the publishers. ←
16:29:06 <azaroth> zakim, unmute madi
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16:29:28 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: there are huge undertakings in library world and little agreement
Bill Kasdorf: there are huge undertakings in library world and little agreement ←
16:29:48 <tzviya> Madi: I agree, particularly with Liza and Rob
Madi Solomon: I agree, particularly with Liza and Rob ←
16:30:18 <tzviya> ...We should stick with publisher (supply chain) metadata. Publishers are behind the times
...We should stick with publisher (supply chain) metadata. Publishers are behind the times ←
16:30:31 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:30:38 <mgylling> ack ivan
Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←
16:30:41 <azaroth> q+
Robert Sanderson: q+ ←
16:30:44 <tzviya> ...we have an opportunity to bring publishing up to speed
...we have an opportunity to bring publishing up to speed ←
16:30:49 <Zakim> -madi
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16:31:40 <tzviya> ivan: Who is the target of the metadata that publishers produce?
Ivan Herman: Who is the target of the metadata that publishers produce? ←
16:32:26 <azaroth> q+ schema not liked in libraries, and retain some focus on non packaged content (eg web not epub)
Robert Sanderson: q+ schema not liked in libraries, and retain some focus on non packaged content (eg web not epub) ←
16:32:34 <azaroth> zakim, really?
Robert Sanderson: zakim, really? ←
16:32:34 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, azaroth.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, azaroth. ←
16:32:37 <tzviya> ...someone put schema.org into the notes. If we want to work with schema.org, then we need to know what partners schema.org recognizes
...someone put schema.org into the notes. If we want to work with schema.org, then we need to know what partners schema.org recognizes ←
16:32:52 <azaroth> q+ to say schema not liked in libraries, and retain some focus on non packaged content (eg web not epub)
Robert Sanderson: q+ to say schema not liked in libraries, and retain some focus on non packaged content (eg web not epub) ←
16:33:46 <ivan> q?
Ivan Herman: q? ←
16:33:53 <karen> q+
Unknown karen: q+ ←
16:34:15 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: Magazine world created verbose vocabulary for recipes. Within a specific group, there is a need for more expressive vocabulary than more widely recognized
Bill Kasdorf: Magazine world created verbose vocabulary for recipes. Within a specific group, there is a need for more expressive vocabulary than more widely recognized ←
16:35:02 <mgylling> ack Luc
Markus Gylling: ack Luc ←
16:35:04 <tzviya> Luc: publishers want consumers to discover books and to be able to improve accessibility
Luc Audrain: publishers want consumers to discover books and to be able to improve accessibility ←
16:35:06 <tzviya> q+
q+ ←
16:35:12 <mgylling> ack azaroth
Markus Gylling: ack azaroth ←
16:35:12 <Zakim> azaroth, you wanted to say schema not liked in libraries, and retain some focus on non packaged content (eg web not epub)
Zakim IRC Bot: azaroth, you wanted to say schema not liked in libraries, and retain some focus on non packaged content (eg web not epub) ←
16:35:53 <tzviya> Rob: only a small portion of library world likes schema.org
Robert Sanderson: only a small portion of library world likes schema.org ←
16:36:42 <tzviya> ...we need to keep an eye on non-packaged content. Content lives outside the web - let's see what goes on outside EPUB
...we need to keep an eye on non-packaged content. Content lives outside the web - let's see what goes on outside EPUB ←
16:36:47 <tzviya> +1
+1 ←
16:37:00 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf
Bill_Kasdorf ←
16:37:41 <mgylling> ack karen
Markus Gylling: ack karen ←
16:37:49 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: extensive vocabulary for magazine recipes was for content management, not delivery
Bill Kasdorf: extensive vocabulary for magazine recipes was for content management, not delivery ←
16:38:14 <lizadaly> +1 for emphasizing outcomes and benefits
Liza Daly: +1 for emphasizing outcomes and benefits ←
16:38:18 <tzviya> Karen: we need to be compelling about the business benefits, beginning to hear about the benefits
Karen Myers: we need to be compelling about the business benefits, beginning to hear about the benefits ←
16:38:39 <lizadaly> Maybe as a flip side to focusing on 'problems'?
Liza Daly: Maybe as a flip side to focusing on 'problems'? ←
16:38:46 <tzviya> ...are there other business benefits that we'd find compelling?
...are there other business benefits that we'd find compelling? ←
16:38:55 <mgylling> ack tzviya
Markus Gylling: ack tzviya ←
16:40:24 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
16:41:25 <tzviya> tzviya: we need to make a distinction between content management "metadata" and supply chain metadata - we have too many subject areas to manage
Tzviya Siegman: we need to make a distinction between content management "metadata" and supply chain metadata - we have too many subject areas to manage ←
16:41:36 <mgylling> +1
Markus Gylling: +1 ←
16:41:46 <mgylling> ack ivan
Markus Gylling: ack ivan ←
16:42:31 <tzviya> 'Bill_Kasdorf: we may be able to recommend a method for HOW to manage different vocabularies not what they are
Bill Kasdorf:: we may be able to recommend a method for HOW to manage different vocabularies not what they are ←
16:43:04 <tzviya> Ivan: the line between adaptive UI and metadata is fuzzy - we may have to draw a clear line
Ivan Herman: the line between adaptive UI and metadata is fuzzy - we may have to draw a clear line ←
16:43:37 <tzviya> ...it may be useful to do a cataloging of existing vocabularies
...it may be useful to do a cataloging of existing vocabularies ←
16:43:47 <Suzanne> +1
Suzanne Taylor: +1 ←
16:43:54 <ivan> http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/
Ivan Herman: http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/ ←
16:43:56 <tzviya> ...without mapping, just a list with information about what they are and how they relate
...without mapping, just a list with information about what they are and how they relate ←
16:44:26 <tzviya> ...similar to linked data vocab set (link above)
...similar to linked data vocab set (link above) ←
16:44:52 <tzviya> data/s/open
data/s/open ←
16:45:44 <tzviya> Bill_Kadrof: these are all RDF vocabularies
Bill Kasdorf: these are all RDF vocabularies ←
16:46:20 <Zakim> -JeanKaplansky
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16:46:20 <mgylling> q?
Markus Gylling: q? ←
16:46:46 <azaroth> Ivan: Yep :S
Ivan Herman: Yep :S [ Scribe Assist by Robert Sanderson ] ←
16:47:33 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: Please go to wiki and comments
Bill Kasdorf: Please go to wiki and comments ←
16:47:37 <lizadaly> Yes please!
16:48:33 <astearns> zakim, who is noisy?
Alan Stearns: zakim, who is noisy? ←
16:48:41 <tzviya> liza: we have consensus that will focus on supply chain (publisher) metadata (not library)
Liza Daly: we have consensus that will focus on supply chain (publisher) metadata (not library) ←
16:48:42 <lizadaly> RECESS
16:48:45 <Zakim> astearns, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Bill_Kasdorf (35%), Luc (4%), Ivan (4%)
Zakim IRC Bot: astearns, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Bill_Kasdorf (35%), Luc (4%), Ivan (4%) ←
16:49:48 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: is thus group likely to go to the step of W3C document as deliverable? What are the deliverables for this group?
Bill Kasdorf: is thus group likely to go to the step of W3C document as deliverable? What are the deliverables for this group? ←
16:50:15 <azaroth> Notes: We're primarily doing the Note because of the transition to a Working Group from Community Group
Notes: We're primarily doing the Note because of the transition to a Working Group from Community Group [ Scribe Assist by Robert Sanderson ] ←
16:50:17 <tzviya> Markus: first thing should be the low hanging fruit: issues that pubs deal with
Markus Gylling: first thing should be the low hanging fruit: issues that pubs deal with ←
16:50:26 <ivan> +1 to Markus
Ivan Herman: +1 to Markus ←
16:50:32 <tzviya> ...things that are too costly, too hard, not possible
...things that are too costly, too hard, not possible ←
16:50:50 <azaroth> Rather than something formal for the IG
Robert Sanderson: Rather than something formal for the IG ←
16:50:55 <tzviya> ...see brain dump from Luc and others like him about things that cannot be done
...see brain dump from Luc and others like him about things that cannot be done ←
16:50:56 <azaroth> +1 to Markus
Robert Sanderson: +1 to Markus ←
16:51:23 <tzviya> ...this will bring us the data points toward next steps
...this will bring us the data points toward next steps ←
16:51:24 <karen> +1
Karen Myers: +1 ←
16:51:26 <Luc> +1
Luc Audrain: +1 ←
16:51:53 <astearns> complaints *are* use cases. "I would like to..."
Alan Stearns: complaints *are* use cases. "I would like to..." ←
16:52:27 <tzviya> Markus: these complaints are use cases
Markus Gylling: these complaints are use cases ←
16:53:40 <tzviya> Luc: I will add use cases to wiki
Luc Audrain: I will add use cases to wiki ←
16:53:54 <tzviya> I will add STM use cases
I will add STM use cases ←
16:54:22 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: send note to list when add info to wiki
Bill Kasdorf: send note to list when add info to wiki ←
16:55:21 <tzviya> Liza: Topic: next week's meeting
Liza Daly: Topic: next week's meeting ←
16:55:25 <lizadaly> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/index.html
Liza Daly: http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/index.html ←
16:55:30 <tzviya> ...DOM pagination
...DOM pagination ←
16:56:10 <tzviya> Markus: Looking for a task force lead and participants
Markus Gylling: Looking for a task force lead and participants ←
16:56:29 <ivan> +q
Ivan Herman: +q ←
16:56:37 <dauwhe> q+
Dave Cramer: q+ ←
16:56:42 <tzviya> ...programmatic access to pagination
...programmatic access to pagination ←
16:56:45 <ivan> q later
Ivan Herman: q later ←
16:56:49 <lizadaly> (Not me, we've given up on pagination)
Liza Daly: (Not me, we've given up on pagination) ←
16:57:07 <azaroth> (+1 to liza)
Robert Sanderson: (+1 to liza) ←
16:57:08 <tzviya> ...publishers are doing this is in different ways
...publishers are doing this is in different ways ←
16:57:22 <mgylling> ack dauwhe
Markus Gylling: ack dauwhe ←
16:57:25 <tmichel> rrsagent, draft minutes
Thierry Michel: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:57:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/03-dpub-minutes.html tmichel
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/03-dpub-minutes.html tmichel ←
16:57:38 <tzviya> .. this is about attaching events and using the DOM
.. this is about attaching events and using the DOM ←
16:57:52 <lizadaly> -1000 page transition animations
Liza Daly: -1000 page transition animations ←
16:58:07 <tzviya> Dave: the CSS WG is aware of this and beginning to discuss transitions associated with page
Dave Cramer: the CSS WG is aware of this and beginning to discuss transitions associated with page ←
16:58:38 <tzviya> Ivan: do we know who will be at EDUPUB in Salt Lake City?
Ivan Herman: do we know who will be at EDUPUB in Salt Lake City? ←
16:59:00 <Luc> +1000 to Liza comment on no page transition animations
Luc Audrain: +1000 to Liza comment on no page transition animations ←
16:59:06 <tzviya> jean, tzviya, billK, markus, Julie, Ivan, gerardo will attend
Jean, Tzviya, Bill-K, Markus, Julie, Ivan, Gerardo will attend ←
16:59:36 <tzviya> Ivan: Should I create repo for annotations?
Ivan Herman: Should I create a repo for annotations? ←
16:59:42 <tzviya> Rob: yes
Robert Sanderson: yes ←
16:59:55 <tzviya> Action: ivan create annotations repo
ACTION: Ivan to create annotations repo ←
16:59:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-16 - Create annotations repo [on Ivan Herman - due 2014-02-10].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-16 - Create annotations repo [on Ivan Herman - due 2014-02-10]. ←