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<trackbot> Date: 05 December 2013
<tmichel> Hi, I will attend the meeting, but I must leave at 16h25 for about 20 minutes to get my son at school. We then rejoin.
<scribe> scribe: plh
action-223?
<trackbot> action-223 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Find iana tracking number for resubmit of mime type registration -- due 2013-10-24 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/223
Nigel: Mike, you contacted IANA and didn't a response?
Mike: that's correct
... about 2 weeks ago
... so I pinged again
plh: I'll ping our official IETF contact in a week if we don't get answers
close action-223
<trackbot> Closed action-223.
action-88?
<trackbot> action-88 -- Mike Dolan to Make sure the TTML media type is properly registered for Issue-175. -- due 2013-10-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/88
action-241?
<trackbot> action-241 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Edit charter by next tuesday -- due 2013-11-22 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/241
close action-241
<trackbot> Closed action-241.
plh: s/WebVTT/WebVTT 1.0/ in the
deliverables
... fixed typo
Nigel: discussion within EBU about dependency wording
action-242?
<trackbot> action-242 -- Nigel Megitt to Action mark_vickers to ask ig to provide input in external groups list in new charter -- due 2013-11-22 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/242
Nigel: some responded that ATSC
needs to be listed
... will follow up with plh
<scribe> ACTION: plh to add ATSC to the TTML charter [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/12/05-tt-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-248 - Add atsc to the ttml charter [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2013-12-12].
Nigel: some debate on how to
proceed on the charter
... David Singer is working on it
... the issue which is holding us up is the document license
one
... maybe we can pull back, we would be able to proceed
... we're getting there
... for example, IMSC is blocked at the moment
Pierre: at the f2f meeting, we
had a thorough review of the charter and everybody seemed
happy
... struggling to udnerstand why there is further delay
Nigel: yes, but document license
is an issue
... hoping we can revert
<nigel> http://www.w3.org/2013/10/timed-text-charter.html
Pierre: which version are we looking at?
plh: problem is that the charter doesn't allow the use of the CC-BY license
Pierre: my understanding was that
it can take a lot of time to resolve this
... how long are we going to wait?
Nigel: we need confirmation that
not using an open license is acceptable
... from David
Mike: what's the purpose of listing the external groups?
plh: getting reviews from them
Mike: concerned with DVB and
ATSC. no individual/human there who cares
... so we have those groups but no one care to review those
documents
Nigel: DVB has a subtitle
group
... which will be brought back to life
... with ATSC, I can see your concern
Mike: problem with ATSC is
internal
... my first choice would be to remove DVB and ATSC, since our
list is not prohibitive
... if those orgs don't care, I'd prefer not to list them
... how about we leave them off for now?
Nigel: do we need to receive a reply?
plh: we don't need to, but we should contact them
Nigel: adding ATSC came out of the WebTV IG
Mike: this came out of a new member from WebTV IG, but no real group within ATSC
Thierry: we can't force folks to review our documents
Mike: ok, that's fine
--> http://www.w3.org/2001/11/StdLiaison Liaison page
Pierre: when do we expect the AC review to happen?
Nigel: I'll continue to talk to
David and get a resolution on this, within the next calendar
week
... but I'm dependent on the response from David
action-245?
<trackbot> action-245 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Tell mike contact details for proceeding with iana registration -- due 2013-11-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/245
close action-245
<trackbot> Closed action-245.
action-247?
<trackbot> action-247 -- Nigel Megitt to Send text version of tpac minutes to public list - tracker will then combine the issues and actions and associate them automatically. -- due 2013-11-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/247
close action-247
<trackbot> Closed action-247.
Glenn: I just returned from oversea so no progress today but should ahve by next week
action-220?
<trackbot> action-220 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Investigate actual css behavior further regarding whether line height of individual lines are affected by font size on line as opposed to maximum over paragraph -- due 2013-10-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/220
Glenn: I suggest to reassign it to me
<tmichel> I must leave now for about 20 minutes to get my son at school. Will then rejoin.
Pierre: this was assigned to me.
I did some work on it
... all browsers use the largest font on the line to compute
the line height.
Nigel: Glenn, please review this and we'll close this next week
Glenn: I'll comment on the
action
... since I have some new input
action-224?
<trackbot> action-224 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Query mike on priority for issue-72 -- due 2013-10-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/224
issue-72?
<trackbot> issue-72 -- Smooth scrolling by means of reference area offset -- closed
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/72
<glenn> ACTION: glenn to follow up on action-220, possibly opening new issue [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/12/05-tt-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-249 - Follow up on action-220, possibly opening new issue [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-12-12].
Nigel: what should be the priority of issue-72?
Mike: we resolved this in second edition
close action-224
<trackbot> Closed action-224.
action-230?
<trackbot> action-230 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Get a review from pf sooner rather than later -- due 2013-11-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/230
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2013Oct/0067.html
Glenn: this seems premature for TTML 2
close action-230
<trackbot> Closed action-230.
<glenn> action-237?
<trackbot> action-237 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Review with cff folk -- due 2013-11-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/237
Nigel: we created in relation to
i18n and rendering rules, languages, etc.
... related xml:lang
issue-296?
<trackbot> issue-296 -- Remove xml:lang placement restrictions from IMSC -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/296
<glenn> action-237: related to issue-296
<trackbot> Notes added to action-237 Review with cff folk.
Pierre: my action is done
close action-237
<trackbot> Closed action-237.
action-238?
<trackbot> action-238 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Follow up on issue-295 -- due 2013-11-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/238
Pierre: this is underway
... plan is to remove Annex B
... and move Annex A into a Note and express it as a superset
of CLDR
(sp?)
action-242?
<trackbot> action-242 -- Nigel Megitt to Action mark_vickers to ask ig to provide input in external groups list in new charter -- due 2013-11-22 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/242
close action-242
<trackbot> Closed action-242.
action-243?
<trackbot> action-243 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Edit dsinger's proposed wording which captures the intent. -- due 2013-11-22 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/243
Pierre: that's related to issue
295
... didn't find issue with the proposed wording
action-244?
<trackbot> action-244 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Proceed with work to investigate deltas. if time doesn't allow the fallback is to remove annex a. -- due 2013-11-22 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/244
action-246?
<trackbot> action-246 -- Nigel Megitt to Take deliverables of draft charter to tag for scrutiny -- due 2013-11-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/246
Nigel: was waiting for a stable draft
Jerry: I'm working on my action...
<nigel> action-164?
<trackbot> action-164 -- Jerry Smith to Investigate interop issues using CSS familyName constructs -- due 2013-12-05 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/164
Glenn: I can send you some email
about the issue
... since we don't use CSS syntax, we use XML
... there is an escaping mechanism in CSS that we didn't
use
... unicode escaping mechanism
... the question is: if you have a TTML document, and serialize
it in CSS, you'll need to be careful
Jerry: this seems that it was a cautious choice, there is a note in the spec
Glenn: I made the choice, but would like feedback from implementers
Jerry: I'll close the loop with Sean
<tmichel> I amp now back.
Mike: do we have an issue here?
Glenn: a potential one
issue-286?
<trackbot> issue-286 -- Extend the background area behind rendered text to improve readability -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/286
Nigel: slightly extending the background does improve readability, raised within EBU
Nigel: we were concerned on this
behavior on arbitrary spans. we relaxed the requirement to be
on each line
... the pdf illustrates our intent
... proposal is to add an attribute
Glenn: didn't have a chance to
look at it yet
... we can use padding on span
... not about repetition of padding at line breaks
Nigel: CSS box declaration break
is at risk
... lack of browser implementation
... and we wuld need it
<nigel> http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-background/#box-decoration-break
Glenn: there is some support for them
in opera and chrome
Nigel: we'll come back to this one
issue-288?
<trackbot> issue-288 -- Rules for splitting and accumulating documents -- open
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/288
Mike: is this related to the temporal extend of the document?
Nigel: yes
Mike: this is adding complication
and don't prefer it
... would prefer to have hints and metadata
... this piece of content is going to continue in an other
document, please watch decoder
<nigel> Mike: not in favour of constraining the temporal containment, would prefer a hint mechanism
<glenn> i need to drop as well
<nigel> Mike: happy to provide a proposal
<nigel> nigel: one issue is the scope of uniqueness of xml:id
<nigel> mike: yes we could typecast the id and add extra uniqueness rules as a hint
<nigel> ... This may be useful in the archive context too
<nigel> ... It's not a good idea to try to compute deterministically 'sameness' by comparing text, position, styling etc.
<nigel> action mike to make proposal re segmentation hints to reflector
<trackbot> Created ACTION-250 - Make proposal re segmentation hints to reflector [on Mike Dolan - due 2013-12-12].
<mike> clarification - not in favour of *relaxing* the temporal constraints
<nigel> Mike: regrets for next week
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