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<trackbot> Date: 04 November 2013
<richardschwerdtfeger> meeting: W3C WAI-PF ARIA Caucus
<richardschwerdtfeger> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2013Oct/0173.html
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<scribe> scribe: mattking
RS: congratulations especially to
Joseph for extraordinary effort!
... Joseph any UAIG issues we need to look at this time?
<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
Joseph: nothing I am aware of that needs attention now.
<clown> issue-486?
<trackbot> issue-486 -- UAIG has some MUST requirements that could only be tested in HTML 5, but 1) the ARIA spec is being tested only against HTML 4 and we prefer to do the same with UAIG, and 2) HTML 5 isn't complete; so we need to deal with this in the UAIG CR exit criteria n -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/486
Some testing related to issue 486 still needed.
issue 486?
issue-486?
<trackbot> issue-486 -- UAIG has some MUST requirements that could only be tested in HTML 5, but 1) the ARIA spec is being tested only against HTML 4 and we prefer to do the same with UAIG, and 2) HTML 5 isn't complete; so we need to deal with this in the UAIG CR exit criteria n -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/486
issue-551?
<trackbot> issue-551 -- When UAIG enters CR, we need to ask Director if we have to have 2 mappings to all platforms, or just demonstrate implementability of mapping via a sample and say all the mappings are therefore defined implementable -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/551
Michael: we have tentative approval to move forward. UIA column is at risk.
action-1106?
<trackbot> action-1106 -- Michael Cooper to Sort UA behaviour test cases separately from AAPI inspection test cases -- due 2013-09-17 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1106
RS: anything need to be done?
MC: not critical
RS: agree
resolution: close action
1106
... close action 1106
action-1188?
<trackbot> action-1188 -- Michael Cooper to UAIG links to hard-dated ARIA draft (wai-aria-20110118) should link to TR latest -- due 2013-09-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1188
MC: this is editorial related to generator
Michael checking links.
There are 2 incorrect references.
Michael will close after fixing.
action-1230
<trackbot> action-1230 -- Michael Cooper to Ask Director if we have to test every cell in the ARIA UAIG, or if we can just do the columns, and if the UIA column can be considered implementable by precedent from surrounding columns particularly UIA Express -- due 2013-06-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1230
RESOLUTION: close 1230
action-1278?
<trackbot> action-1278 -- Janina Sajka to Ask Steve to ask hans hillen if he can review compositing and blending level 1 http://www.w3.org/tr/compositing-1/ -- due 2013-10-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1278
action-1271?
<trackbot> action-1271 -- Michael Cooper to Look at diff of uaig in past 1.5 years and figure out which changes might impact the test suite, then to work with joseph on updating tests -- due 2013-10-07 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1271
RS: is this OBE
RESOLUTION: CLOSE 1271
action-1275?
<trackbot> action-1275 -- Cynthia Shelly to Go through the missing test cases (denoted by @@) and determine the testable statement, expected result. making a test file where missing would help. -- due 2013-10-22 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1275
Michael proposes we can close 1275-1277.
RESOLUTION: close actions 1275, 1276, 12767
action-1280?
<trackbot> action-1280 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Take a first pass at pulling aria core implementation out of aria uiag -- due 2013-10-25 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1280
<MichaelC> close action-1188
<trackbot> Closed action-1188.
RS: after discussion, agree to leave open for now.
action-1282?
<trackbot> action-1282 -- James Craig to File html-aapi bug related to mapping native @autocomplete to @aria-autocomplete in strict vs weak semantics tables. -- due 2013-10-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1282
JC: will file now or close or both.
action-1284?
<trackbot> action-1284 -- Cynthia Shelly to Start the conversation re keeping issue-616 feature in the spec on list, realizing it may go lc at risk. we need to determine what to do by next tuesday. -- due 2013-10-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1284
RS: waiting ... will leave open.
<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/1
issue-620?
<trackbot> issue-620 -- List live regions roles as a subsection of section 5.3 in spec -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/620
Joseph: would like to add a setion with a list of implicit live region roles. This is simply editorial.
JC: this can be easily done for 1.1.
RS: Putting in the 1.1 list.
JC: let's create action.
<jcraig> ACTION: jcraig to List live regions roles as a subsection of section 5.3 in spec from ISSUE-620 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/11/04-pf-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1291 - List live regions roles as a subsection of section 5.3 in spec from issue-620 [on James Craig - due 2013-11-11].
<jcraig> ACTION-1291?
<trackbot> ACTION-1291 -- James Craig to List live regions roles as a subsection of section 5.3 in spec from issue-620 -- due 2013-11-11 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1291
issue-605?
<trackbot> issue-605 -- menuitem role does not allow use of aria-selected -- raised
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/605
<clown> issue-605?
<trackbot> issue-605 -- menuitem role does not allow use of aria-selected -- raised
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/605
RS: propose to move to 1.1
RESOLUTION: move to 1.1 list.
issue-606?
<trackbot> issue-606 -- grid role does not allow aria-setsize or aria-posinset -- raised
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/606
RS: Should this be 1.1? should it be on the grid role.
RESOLUTION: moved to 1.1 list for consideration.
Michael: looking at several editorial actions, including 1138. Michael will get these done in next month.
action-1151?
<trackbot> action-1151 -- Michael Cooper to Create a flowchart or process diagram of the ARIA accessible name computation -- due 2013-01-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1151
RESOLUTION: postpone to aria 1.1.
action-1218?
<trackbot> action-1218 -- James Craig to Add informative note to ARIA 1.0 that authors should not rely on rowgroup mappings on all platforms and therefore should not use additional attributes on an element with role rowgroup. -- due 2013-07-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1218
JC: postpone to aria 1.1.
Janina: we will be doing a comprehensive 1.1 review and shorten that list later.
<MichaelC> close action-1138
<trackbot> Closed action-1138.
<clown> issue-522?
<trackbot> issue-522 -- Name Computation 2A - bullet 3 confusion -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/522
Janina: Janina and Michael will be out on 11th
Michael out on the 18th.
following week is Thanks Giving in US
CR interview with director right after last call expires on December 9th.
Around Jan 8, we will move aria 1.0 spec and uaig from CR to proposed recommendation.
Janina: proposing a f2f on 1.1 list
possibly in jan-march time frame. Eiterh in Toronto or at CSUN.
Cancel meeting onNov 25.
<richardschwerdtfeger> a?
<clown> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson%27s_law_of_triviality
<jcraig> Potentially need to request a new editor for authoring practicing guide. We need it to be rewritten by someone with experience developing modern JavaScript applications. Potentials: Todd Kloots (Twitter) or Scott Gonzalez (jQuery)
Discussion of how APG can be updated in the time frame of proposed recommendation.
<richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: clown contact Scott Gonzalez about contributing to the authoring practices guide [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/11/04-pf-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1292 - Contact scott gonzalez about contributing to the authoring practices guide [on Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2013-11-11].
Joseph: described his experience at JQuery summet
Discussed list of possible editors for APG.
<jcraig> ACTION-1292?
<trackbot> ACTION-1292 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Contact scott gonzalez about contributing to the authoring practices guide -- due 2013-11-11 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1292
issue-398?
<trackbot> issue-398 -- Errata: aria-setsize and aria-posinset should apply to more than just listitem and option -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/398
<richardschwerdtfeger> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/398
RS: May be useful rows in grids
JC: Referred to Dominic's comment regarding using colindex and rowindex instead on grids.
<clown> <span role="gridcell" aria-colindex="5" aria-rowindex="3" …>
<clown> ?
JC: purpose is to avoid overloading and possibly provide better mapping for table data providers
<richardschwerdtfeger> ACTION: jcraig add aria-colindex to role gridcell and aria-rowindex to role row [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/11/04-pf-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1293 - Add aria-colindex to role gridcell and aria-rowindex to role row [on James Craig - due 2013-11-11].
<jcraig> ACTION-1293
<trackbot> ACTION-1293 -- James Craig to Add aria-colindex to role gridcell and aria-rowindex to role row -- due 2013-11-11 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1293
RS: do we need in menus? Do they get that large?
JC: an example of large menu can be a color list.
RS: we would also need action for UA to calculate values
<jcraig> ACTION: jcraig to add aria-posinset and setsize to menuitem, etc. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/11/04-pf-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1294 - Add aria-posinset and setsize to menuitem, etc. [on James Craig - due 2013-11-11].
<jcraig> action-1294?
<trackbot> action-1294 -- James Craig to Add aria-posinset and setsize to menuitem, etc. -- due 2013-11-11 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1294
Matt: do we need this on tab to support accordians that are large
JC: Yes, tere are quite a few UIs where not all tabs are shown and there could be more than are displayed
<richardschwerdtfeger> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties#aria-setsize
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