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<trackbot> Date: 30 September 2013
madi: /me is Rob Sanderson :)
<ivan> Guest: Jean (JeanKaplanksky) Kaplansky, Aptara
scribe is azaroth
<fjh> ScribeNick: azaroth
Madi: Minutes of last week. Any
questions from last week?
... Please register for TPAC meeting.
Ivan: Even sooner than as possible. Hotels are filling up and getting to China takes a long time to organize.
mgylling: My invitation was
rejected by the embassy. Missing a physical street address and
they haven't gotten back to me yet.
... last week we asked plinss to confirm if we can have a slot
with CSS, but he isn't here this week. Need to confirm or not
still.
<liam> [ CSS meets on Wednesdays ]
Madi: Shall we move on to new
members.
... ??? is a new member.
SuzanneT: Primarily involved in accessibility.
<madi> Jan McSorely
Jan McSorely: Also from Pearson, asked to join
<ivan> Guest: Jan McSorely, Pearson
madi: Three new use cases on accessibility and personalization
<madi> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/ReadingDisorder_UC#Accessibility
madi: would like to walk through them. Pretty simple ones so far, just the tip of the iceberg
Jan: Suzanne has other use cases
too. Would love guidance on how to make these ones better
... My role in pearson - just hired in june as accessibility
specialist. More of assistive tech specialist.
... Use cases are about students with disabilities. written for
computer based assessment.
madi: Accessibility in education
is critical
... Need to make it a priority
Jan: Student with learning
disability for reading. Does better with graphic support. Text
highlighting etc improve comprehension
... Also likely to have difficulty with memory and learning new
material. School would like text that student can hear and see
at the same time
... Specific use cases to distinguish different features
... Hard to get access for free for kids to electronic texts.
Bookshare and learning ally two services that are federally
funded. Provide access to digitized text.
... One records audio and working on sync with highlight in
text.
... Can read in logical order, rather than top/bottom
left/right
... In schools, educator needs to know copyright
restrictions
... accessible everything is the ideal solution
... Have to jump through hoops at the moment.
SuzanneT: Would student end up getting access?
<brady_duga> aagt is a bug in zakim - I queued up as aagg to figure out if was me, then queued down once I was duga, but duga wasn't on the queue
Jan: Majority of the time they
don't. Good IT team can help. Library of Congress has strict
interpretation of who can get access.
... Medical doctor has to say physical issue causing a learning
disability
madi: Do we want to capture these use cases, or too complex?
mgylling: Very big field, with
lots of new things coming up. eg APIP
... What we're doing in this group is to focus on w3c
technologies
<ivan> Guest: Karen (karenm) Myers, W3C
mgylling: metadata important, accessibility as well. Need coordination moving forwards.
<alex> I am new to the group. Alexander Garcia, from the American Psychological Association
mgylling: APIP and PNP are good, attempting to address parts of the problem.
madi: Relations and
dependencies
... ?
mgylling: We want another field
to point outside the w3c
... External relevant groups/specifications. Template for use
case in the side bar, where the fields are defined. Should
clarify
<alex> which is the url for the template?
tzviya: This brings to mind other
orgs, such as Benentech
... seems like there's more than one use case here. read aloud
is one issue, direction is another, time is maybe not addressed
in a spec
SuzanneT: Third party to adjust the time on testing for education
tzviya: Like the category education professional.
mgylling: Categories still open
<Pdanet> It's Benetech : http://benetech.org/
ivan: We have to work on these
use cases to separate issues on w3c and not.
... Have a guest from benetech in the group, so may
participate. More general question, already began to set up
task forces into areas.
... wonder if accessibility in general should be a task
force?
... Lots of things that are inter-related in use cases.
mgylling: Agree. What we've been
missing so far is enough people to start thinking about
it.
... know that Rich Schwerdtfeger with IBM, prominent figure in
WAI, is hopefully going to join soon.
... To accelerate the creation of group we can announce and
start marketing it to people interested
Ivan: If Benetech joins IG, they will be interested in area as well. So will have enough muscle
tzviya: Worked with accessbility orgs over the summer, will be follow up. happy to reach out to groups, several would be interested in joining
+1
mgylling: First use case, how does it relate to PnP?
jan: Specific information about
the user needs. Lots of theoretical stuff in the IMS standard
1.0, so accommodations to say that students can have access
according to their needs
... so some students allowed to have passages read aloud in a
test, for example. Which can be controversial.
... Other issues about braille that don't have a good handle
on. Would be beneficial for w3c folk to be involved so can
bring issues to the table
... eg difference between right by law and technically
possible
mgylling: Want listing of relevant specs. Turn acronyms into links to specs.
Jan: Put schema into a word doc
to work through. Can post that.
... Maybe better understanding of where they're going
Ivan: Education group in W3C is
clear. Accessbility metadata - what are you refering to
there?
... Know there's one for schema.org. This one?
<mgylling> "Relevant W3C groups" should include IndieUI: http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/
Madi: Only reference that I had. so I added it.
<mgylling> … which has some overlap with PNP, possibly
Ivan: Work with the accessbility
people to get the right specs, etc.
... Fear is that there isn't such a group
... No dedicated group for accessbility metadata directly
<tzviya> what about http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/?
mgylling: Just posted one (IndieUI)
<tmichel> thierry rejoining ...
mgylling: Preferences if you will
azaroth: Could put EPUB back into this new field. So should go back to the previous "fixed" use cases
madi: Moving on...
<madi> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Dyslexia_UC#Accessibility
madi: Accessibility has lots of unique use cases
Jan: Dyslexia have different
types of needs, several related to visual perception
... Student uses assistive technology, can annotate, bookmark
and navigate due to DAISY formatting
... Some need fonts, some not. Some fonts are weighted, eg Open
Dyslexia font with differences in ascenders/descenders
... Need control over this. Adjusting whitespace necessary
too.
... Colored overlay capabilities to change
fore/background.
... Ability to bookmark, annotate.
... Text highlighting. Research shows that its beneficial for
students to do this.
Ivan: Typical case where we
combine use cases. Lots of use cases already on
annotation.
... This is what we want.
<alex> sorry
mgylling: Agree, relations and dependences field. See the web of things being linked together
<alex> but which is the url for the use cases?
Jan: http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/UseCase_Directory#Social_Reading_and_Annotations
azaroth: Will link to accessbilities cases
mgylling: We're collecting requirements on the open web platform for things it can't do for us yet
<ivan> directory of use cases
mgylling: most of them are things
that can't be done in OWP. Eg customizing fonts and colors hard
to get to work satisfactorily
... so all these bullets are great input for things we need to
work on
... don't understand the first one
Jan: In terms of what they're
using, have DAISY formatted books. Not familiar with EPUB3
capabilities.
... Not may be the right place for that bullet
mgylling: Requirements should be like the rest. Imperative functionality. Features.
Jan: Will take that out and talk about features. Navigation capabilities by chapter, page etc.
Madi: Go further down, revise
EPUB/DAISY from relevant groups
... Third accessbility case
<madi> http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/CerebralPalsy_UC#Accessibility
Jan: One thing important is that
the students have access to different types of assistive
technology. Would be good for the content to be compatible with
the technology, tech compatible with guidelines
... Student has poor fine motor skills and speech. Switch
interface for wheel chair and computer. Word prediction
software.
... Can't use voice recognition software. Need to navigate
easily.
... Full keyboard navigation, nothing mouse dependent
... Word prediction software needs contextual algorithm. very
different from phone.
... based on word we're trying to type on the phone, not the
sentence.
... Customized to student's vocab and context. In testing
situation has to be turned off
... Not sure that it has relevance in DPUB?
Ivan: Not something I can attach to anything in W3C.
Jan: How would you document it? Important to know what assistive technology they might use?
Ivan: Important because outsiders
need to know requirements. Whether realization hits some big
problem when relying on W3C technology?
... Some sort of thought experiment about how they should be
implemented, building blocks that must be around, in order to
do that
... Should be able to answer eventually
... Features that we have to take care of.
Jan: How to document them in the use case? Part of Narrative?
Ivan: Narrative is fine with me. Kind of work task force will have to do is the thought experiment. What does implementation require
SuzanneT: These use cases help us think of the problems, can be parents of more specific ones
madi: Anyone want to add to this?
(...) Okay. Thanks to new people.
... Eager to work on this sort of thing, so thanks for your
work Jan. Thanks to Rob for scribing.
<madi> oops, I just left. Thanks everyone!
mgylling: Started pagination task force last week. Want to make sure there's a time line. Dave anything to say?
Dave Cramer: Started early work to describe pagination. Something concrete to respond to.
scribe: Plan is to share before next week's call.
mgylling: Will reserve time next week for pagination. Many people travelling next week to Frankfurt
<Pdanet> Absolutely ! on the way to FRKFRT
mgylling: accessibility task force - do we have a volunteer lead from Pearson?
SuzanneT: Happy to lead that task force
<madi> Thank you Suzanne!
mgylling: Suggest devote time next week to how to build the group and structure the work
<madi> Markus: call me at (44) 2-7 010 2335?
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