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<trackbot> Date: 24 September 2013
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topic ACTION-1256
ACTION-1256?
<trackbot> ACTION-1256 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Modify msaa+uia express entry for aria-checked on menuitemradio button to use msaa selectable state and selected proerty instead of uia togglepattern. -- due 2013-09-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1256
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_table
JS: we discussed this last
week.
... Cynthia requested changes.
... I made the changes. Can you approve of them?
... <describes the changes>
CS: That looks good, we should probably copy it to the UIA column.
JS: Can we make that an ARIA 1.1 issue?
CS: Yes, let's do that.
resolved: close ACTION-1256
ISSUE-612?
<trackbot> ISSUE-612 -- Review ia2/atk rule in group position. should this really determine level based on aria-owns chain. see uaig: http://www.w3.org/wai/pf/aria-implementation/#mapping_additional_position and test case 69: https://www.w3.org/wai/pf/testharness/testresults?tes -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/612
JS: I think this is a david
issue, and he's not here.
... Suggest we postpone this.
ACTION-1255?
<trackbot> ACTION-1255 -- Cynthia Shelly to Look into toggle patterns and how that needs to be modified in the uaig. -- due 2013-09-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1255
CS: I was working on it, but I
haven't finished it.
... give me until friday.
ACTION-1257?
<trackbot> ACTION-1257 -- Cynthia Shelly to Check the ie10 and ie11 to see how they map the treegrid role. -- due 2013-09-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1257
CS: Not done yet.
... move to Friday also.
Topci: ACTION-1219
ACTION-1219?
<trackbot> ACTION-1219 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to UAIG: passive RFC requirement: two instances of "The state change events MAY be trimmed out for performance" Who is this requirement for? Authors? UA? AT? Be specific. What does "trimmed out" mean? Be specific. -- due 2013-05-14 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1219
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_selection
JS: It's the second table dealing
with multiselectable containers.
... Suggesting for the third cell in the MSAA column
"User agent MAY fire a EVENT_OBJECT_SELECTIONWITHIN. If this event is fired the other events noted above MAY be trimmed out for performance."
CS: I think I'm okay with that, but just check with David.
JS: I will check with david and alex.
The user agent MAY fire a single object::selection_changed on the container vs. multiple for performance reasons
CS: Sounds fine to me.
... I remember it was david who cared a lot about these.
ACTION-1262?
<trackbot> ACTION-1262 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Update 4.1. focus states and events table to clarify differences between platforms and dom/desktop/at focus. http://www.w3.org/wai/pf/aria-implementation/#focus_state_event_table -- due 2013-09-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1262
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#focus_state_event_table
JS: James Craig was intially
against these events because he thought there were dom focus
events.
... I explained that for MSAA, UIA, and ATK/AT-SPI, that these
are aapi focus events.
... he wants that made perferectly clear.
... He also says that there is no distinction on the Mac under
OS X a11y API.
CS: I think that we actually
should throw DOM events.
... But it doesn't work this way.
<cyns> CS: I know that's not what's in ARIA 1.0, however
JS: I think this is for the active descendant...
<cyns> CS: So, if James wants a modification to the mac column, I'm ok with that
JS: Actually, I think this is ambiguous: if it is an actve descendant scenario, these are aapi events. If a tabindex scenario, then DOM focus and these AAPI focus events are in sync.
CS: Doesn't the table already say, in the opening sentence, that these are a11y api events?
JS: Good point.
CS: Ask James to propose text. It seems really clear to me already.
<cyns> CS: if the problem is that AAPI and DOM events are the same thing on Mac, maybe the right answer is for the Mac column to say "no mapping" or "no event"
<cyns> CS: these events are separate on teh other platforms, and devs on those platforms won't be confused.
<cyns> CS: we could add a redundant sentence before the table, though I do think it's quite clear already
JS: Okay. I will bring it up at next Monday's call (if time).
zakim Microsoft is Cynthia_Shelly
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