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<trackbot> Date: 17 September 2013
<scribe> scribenick: clown
issue-612?
<trackbot> issue-612 -- Review ia2/atk rule in group position. should this really determine level based on aria-owns chain. see uaig: http://www.w3.org/wai/pf/aria-implementation/#mapping_additional_position and test case 69: https://www.w3.org/wai/pf/testharness/testresults?tes -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/612
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_additional_position
JS: clause about treeitems and aria-level.
If aria-level is not provided or inherited for an element of role treeitem, user agents implementing IAccessible2 or ATK/AT-SPI MUST compute it by following the explicit or computed RELATION_NODE_CHILD_OF relations.
test case the above: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/test?testsuite_id=2&testcase_id=69&platform_id=5
JS: test case is just a flat list
of divs.
... but the tree and treeitems are built out of aria-owns.
CS: I think we need to wait for David.
ACTION-1262?
<trackbot> ACTION-1262 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Update 4.1. focus states and events table to clarify differences between platforms and dom/desktop/at focus. http://www.w3.org/wai/pf/aria-implementation/#focus_state_event_table -- due 2013-09-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1262
JS: there is a confusion as to
which focus event this table is speaking about.
... can we clarify that sometimes its an a11y focus, sometimes
DOM focus event, and sometimes a Windows focus event.
CS: reluctant to re-open this,
would need to discuss with someone on the IE team.
... this is the language that everyone can live with.
... I don't think that FF does the events here differently from
IE
s/IE\>/IE.
ISSUE-616?
<trackbot> ISSUE-616 -- ISSUE: Review potentially at-risk statement "When the user triggers an element with a defined activation behavior in a manner other than clicking it, such as by pressing Enter, simulate a click on the element." -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/616
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#keyboard-focus_tabindex
JS: it is step 10.
... one question, what is an activation behavior?
CS: it's doDefaultAction in MSAA,
or invoke in UIA
... this is basically saying, if there is no default action on
the just activated item, then simulate a click.
... and "simulate a click" is not specifially a dom click or
system click. It's up to the browser to implement the click as
they see fit.
... IE is part of the OS, but for FF, it's an application on an
OS.
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit?testsuite_id=2&testcase_id=31
https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA-UAIG/1.0/tests/test-files/test31.html
JS: I think that I have enough to
discsuss with the PF group on Mon's call.
... If there is a doDefaultAction, do it, otherwise simulate a
click.
CS: and, we don't specifically say "doDefaultAction" in the UAIG because it's called something different in different browsers.
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/616
JS: he wants to mark it at-risk.
CS: I can live with that.
... but I think that it probably works in IE.
JS: and, it might work in FF.
CS: and even if it doesn't, this
is how it should work.
... and, we are trying to see if it's possible to implement
this.
... sometimes you write the spec before the implementation.
action-1255?
<trackbot> action-1255 -- Cynthia Shelly to Look into toggle patterns and how that needs to be modified in the uaig. -- due 2013-09-17 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1255
CS: I still haven't done that.
I'll try to get to it this week.
... push the due date ahead a week.
action-1257?
<trackbot> action-1257 -- Cynthia Shelly to Check the ie10 and ie11 to see how they map the treegrid role. -- due 2013-09-17 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1257
CS: not done yet either.
JS: move it ahead a week?
CS: yes.
action-1198?
<trackbot> action-1198 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Update non-default values for required attrs per role. e.g. checkbox and other checkable role default to aria-checked="false" rather than the attr default: undefined. -- due 2013-05-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1198
JS: that's the wrong one.
action-1256?
<trackbot> action-1256 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Modify msaa+uia express entry for aria-checked on menuitemradio button to use msaa selectable state and selected proerty instead of uia togglepattern. -- due 2013-09-03 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1256
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_table
JS: look at the entry for menuitemradio in role mapping table.
CS: I think you should put the info about the selected states right in the aria-checked row for the UIA express column
JS: can you type example text here?
<cyns_> under aria-checked and MSAA+UIA Express say: expose as system_state_checked. For radiobutton and menuitemradiobutton, expose as system_state_selected
JS: what about the Toggle Control Pattern? That's what is there now.
CS: Keep that there, and replace
special case sentence with ...
... There might be a Selection Control Pattern, and we may want
to use that instead.
... Let me look...
<cyns_> keep toggle pattern stuff. replace second sentence with "for radio and menuitemradio expose as IsSelection property in SelectionItem Control Pattern."
<cyns_> true and false will be the same as for toggle
JS: Okay.
... toggle pattern has value 1, 0, and so on.
CS: Just 1 and 0 here.
JS: then remove the stuff on aria-selected?
CS: yes.
JS: and remove the special case text under the radio roles?
CS: no, that's a good idea
there.
... just point them now to the aria-checked special cases.
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