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<trackbot> Date: 10 September 2013
<scribe> scribenick: clown
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
action-983?
<trackbot> action-983 -- David Bolter to Create MSAA/IA2 special case test cases from existing generated test cases for the tables. -- due 2012-03-14 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/983
JS: I wonder if Michael has an opinion.
MC: when I created the test
cases, it auto generated them from the table.
... there are some test cases where only the first line was put
in.
... But, when I looked at it recently, it looked like it was
all there.
... I'm no sure if this action is to just check the
auto-generated tests.
CS: this action was initiated at a face-to-face.
MC: to the best of my knowledge, this is either overcome by events or completed by someone.
CS: I think we should call this done. David?
DB: we can re-open if we are wrong.
resolved: close action-983 as done.
<MichaelC> action-983: we think this is done
<trackbot> Notes added to action-983 Create MSAA/IA2 special case test cases from existing generated test cases for the tables..
<MichaelC> close action-983
<trackbot> Closed action-983.
action-1102?
<trackbot> action-1102 -- David Bolter to Get someone to look at the SHOULD statements in the Role Mapping table. Can these be changed from "SHOULD be exposed" to "expose as" -- due 2012-07-25 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1102
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_table
DB: one for alert
JS: alertdialog
... and button
DB: I think if these are here, it was an agreement reached in one of these meetings.
http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-aapi-minutes#item02
JS: this comes from an old AAPI
meeting.
... the question is: if you add aria-haspopup to a button, does
it become a menubutton?
... it looks like the action was partly done.
DB: what is the import of removing the should on aria-pressed for button?
JS: it becomes a MUST and that incurs a test case.
DB: I think it should be
okay.
... cynthia and I are leaning to just leaving it.
JS: I think it is a must, but I'm
not going to fall on my sword for it.
... the spec states that aria-pressed on a button role turns it
into a toggle button.
... so why are we wishy-washy with a SHOULD here?
DB: I think this goes back to when we were trying to make IE and FF interoperable.
<davidb> DB: we had a normalized MSAA column
CS: If there is extra work, I think we should leave it or make it 1.1
JS: MIchael have an opinion.
CS: that's just a get this thing done.
DB: I see it as small.
... If making it normative made things more accessible, I'd be
for making this normative.
resolved; move the action to 1.1.
<davidb> action-1145?
<trackbot> action-1145 -- David Bolter to Replace the "should be" the sentence "The structure should be reflected in the accessibility tree as directed by aria-level" with "is". -- due 2013-01-17 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1145
DB: Alex agreed to remove the statement.
JS: It looks like it was already deleted from aria-level
DB: can we delete from aria-posinset
JS: Yes, give me the action to
remove that sentence from aria-posinset.
... let's continue from the top with Cynthia actions.
action-982?
<trackbot> action-982 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create UIA special case test cases from existing generated test cases. -- due 2013-07-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/982
CS: I think this is done. Rich
and I did a bunch of these.
... we may have missed some, but I think it's done.
JS: close it?
CS: yes.
resolved: Close action 982 as complete.
action-982: we think this is done
<trackbot> Notes added to action-982 Create UIA special case test cases from existing generated test cases..
close action-982
<trackbot> Closed action-982.
action-1104?
<trackbot> action-1104 -- Cynthia Shelly to Define what the accessibility API mapping is for UIA on aria-describedby in section 5.5.1 table when the element does not exist in the accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies -- due 2013-09-17 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104
CS: in UIA express, we just throw
it in the legacy field.
... We don't have an implementation of pure UIA yet, so push it
to aria 1.1
Resolved: move action 1104 to aria 1.1
action-1104: moving to aria 1.1
<trackbot> Notes added to action-1104 Define what the accessibility API mapping is for UIA on aria-describedby in section 5.5.1 table when the element does not exist in the accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies.
action-1255?
<trackbot> action-1255 -- Cynthia Shelly to Look into toggle patterns and how that needs to be modified in the uaig. -- due 2013-09-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1255
CS: have not got to that yet, but I want to.
resolved: move due date to the 17th.
action-1257?
<trackbot> action-1257 -- Cynthia Shelly to Check the ie10 and ie11 to see how they map the treegrid role. -- due 2013-09-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1257
issue-595?
<trackbot> issue-595 -- treegrid for UIA has outline roles vs. gridcell roles. IE implemented gridcell - Change it? -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/595
resolved: move due date to a week from now.
action-1106?
<trackbot> action-1106 -- Michael Cooper to Sort UA behaviour test cases separately from AAPI inspection test cases -- due 2012-08-20 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1106
JS: I think you have done that.
MC: having separated the test
suites, I think this might be done. Let me look at the
minutes.
... we can consider this done. All the aria test cases are in
the AAPI inspection test. The UAIG are in the separate
suite.
... let me take another quick look.
... skimming the test cases to see if there is anything
missing.
... there may be a few tests, so we should keep the action
open.
JS: could you add a note to the action, so we don't forget why we are keeping it open?
MC: okay.
<MichaelC> action-1106: Most of the ARIA tests (test suite 1) are AAPI but there are a few that might be non AAPI
<trackbot> Notes added to action-1106 Sort UA behaviour test cases separately from AAPI inspection test cases.
<MichaelC> action-1106: could move those to test suite 2
<trackbot> Notes added to action-1106 Sort UA behaviour test cases separately from AAPI inspection test cases.
JS: change the due date?
MC: I'll set it to next Tuesday.
<MichaelC> action-1106 due 17 Sept
<trackbot> Set action-1106 Sort UA behaviour test cases separately from AAPI inspection test cases due date to 2013-09-17.
MC: I suspect there are tests that have been marked invalid.
action-1230?
<trackbot> action-1230 -- Michael Cooper to Ask Director if we have to test every cell in the ARIA UAIG, or if we can just do the columns, and if the UIA column can be considered implementable by precedent from surrounding columns particularly UIA Express -- due 2013-06-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1230
MC: the action is completed, but
still in process of dealing with it.
... we informally think we can go forward with the UIA column
blank.
JS: it's not going to change the UAIG, is it?
MC: it's possible. We might have
to remove the UIA column.
... it will be prudent to mark that column at risk.
... so be prepared to remove it.
... but try not to.
CS: some of the UIA express does the UIA mapping.
MC: they are similar, but are they the same mapping layer.
CS: they are the same mapping layer, and there is a bridge between them.
MC: we'll need that as part of what we tell the director.
action-1188?
<trackbot> action-1188 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to UAIG links to hard-dated ARIA draft (wai-aria-20110118) should link to TR latest -- due 2013-04-09 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1188
JS: it was noticed that the link
to aria spec is the CR version of the spec.
... James suggested it link to the current editor's
draft.
... but, I noticed the text around link clearly state "CR" and
gives a date about it.
MC: I think the generator goes
through and attempts to update the links.
... pointing to the editor's is better for some ways.
... but pointing to the CR is best when the UAIG goes on
TR.
... we have been careful to make just editorial changes to the
spec.
... you could assign the action to me so that the generator
creates the proper links.
resolved: re-assing action −1188 to MIchael as it is a build script problem.
action-1219?
<trackbot> action-1219 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to UAIG: passive RFC requirement: two instances of "The state change events MAY be trimmed out for performance" Who is this requirement for? Authors? UA? AT? Be specific. What does "trimmed out" mean? Be specific. -- due 2013-05-14 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1219
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_selection
CS: it's a MAY. We don't need to worry about.
JS: I will email alex/david about it.
CS: unless we want to change the MAY to a MUST or MUST NOT, don't worry about. it.
action-1259?
<trackbot> action-1259 -- Michael Cooper to File a bug against trackbot to post a link in the irc to the trackbot-created actions. ;-) -- due 2013-09-16 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1259
action-1256?
<trackbot> action-1256 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Modify msaa+uia express entry for aria-checked on menuitemradio button to use msaa selectable state and selected proerty instead of uia togglepattern. -- due 2013-09-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1256
JS: kind of tricky — need to add this text to both the aria-checked section and the radio/menuitemradio section. Should I do that?
CS: sounds okay to me.
JS: okay, that is how I'll do
it.
... making a note in the action...
action-1256: add to radio/menuitemradio roles (paraphrase) "See aria-selected for mapping aria-checked values for radio button role". Similarly for menuitemradio role. add to aria-checked (paraphrase) see aria-selected for radio and menuitemradio roles.
<trackbot> Notes added to action-1256 Modify msaa+uia express entry for aria-checked on menuitemradio button to use msaa selectable state and selected proerty instead of uia togglepattern..
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